[WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
In case you did not know, recently NetFlix and Microsoft teamed up to provide video on-demand services to all of the XBox 360 users. Not only can you start one of 12,000 videos in a matter of seconds on your computer, but you can also do this right on your Xbox 360, bringing it mainstream for many who have never used it. Not to mention the super low cost of basically $9 bucks a month! I have been using it for a few weeks and since it came out on the XBox 360 last Wednesday, I have streamed GIGs. Soon as you hear, gigs, you may be interested to know what is required to maintain a high-end video stream. So, I put together some numbers for everyone, in case you are interested in how much bandwidth this service uses! A You can see my data at http://www.linktechs.net/netflix.asp. Feel free to shoot me a e-mail off-list if you have any questions! -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* 314-735-0270 http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
I've been using the Netflix service since June, with the Roku box. It has 4 different qualities, plus 2 additional for HD which are supported only on XBox360 until the next few weeks. 500k/1100/1600/2200 for SD 2600/3600 for HD. Regards Michael Baird In case you did not know, recently NetFlix and Microsoft teamed up to provide video on-demand services to all of the XBox 360 users. Not only can you start one of 12,000 videos in a matter of seconds on your computer, but you can also do this right on your Xbox 360, bringing it mainstream for many who have never used it. Not to mention the super low cost of basically $9 bucks a month! I have been using it for a few weeks and since it came out on the XBox 360 last Wednesday, I have streamed GIGs. Soon as you hear, gigs, you may be interested to know what is required to maintain a high-end video stream. So, I put together some numbers for everyone, in case you are interested in how much bandwidth this service uses! A You can see my data at http://www.linktechs.net/netflix.asp. Feel free to shoot me a e-mail off-list if you have any questions! -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* 314-735-0270 http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
Did I interpret your data correctly to mean that if you had a sustained 256Kbps it would work? - Original Message - From: Dennis Burgess [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 2:42 PM Subject: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information In case you did not know, recently NetFlix and Microsoft teamed up to provide video on-demand services to all of the XBox 360 users. Not only can you start one of 12,000 videos in a matter of seconds on your computer, but you can also do this right on your Xbox 360, bringing it mainstream for many who have never used it. Not to mention the super low cost of basically $9 bucks a month! I have been using it for a few weeks and since it came out on the XBox 360 last Wednesday, I have streamed GIGs. Soon as you hear, gigs, you may be interested to know what is required to maintain a high-end video stream. So, I put together some numbers for everyone, in case you are interested in how much bandwidth this service uses! A You can see my data at http://www.linktechs.net/netflix.asp. Feel free to shoot me a e-mail off-list if you have any questions! -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* 314-735-0270 http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
Yes, the HD quality is surprising good! Heck, at 1600 or 2200 the shows are real close to DVD. I watch most of it on a 40inch LCD and don't have any issues with quality! -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* 314-735-0270 http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Michael Baird wrote: I've been using the Netflix service since June, with the Roku box. It has 4 different qualities, plus 2 additional for HD which are supported only on XBox360 until the next few weeks. 500k/1100/1600/2200 for SD 2600/3600 for HD. Regards Michael Baird In case you did not know, recently NetFlix and Microsoft teamed up to provide video on-demand services to all of the XBox 360 users. Not only can you start one of 12,000 videos in a matter of seconds on your computer, but you can also do this right on your Xbox 360, bringing it mainstream for many who have never used it. Not to mention the super low cost of basically $9 bucks a month! I have been using it for a few weeks and since it came out on the XBox 360 last Wednesday, I have streamed GIGs. Soon as you hear, gigs, you may be interested to know what is required to maintain a high-end video stream. So, I put together some numbers for everyone, in case you are interested in how much bandwidth this service uses! A You can see my data at http://www.linktechs.net/netflix.asp. Feel free to shoot me a e-mail off-list if you have any questions! -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* 314-735-0270 http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
1.7 to 2.4 Meg is what I see average. -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* 314-735-0270 http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: Did I interpret your data correctly to mean that if you had a sustained 256Kbps it would work? - Original Message - From: Dennis Burgess [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 2:42 PM Subject: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information In case you did not know, recently NetFlix and Microsoft teamed up to provide video on-demand services to all of the XBox 360 users. Not only can you start one of 12,000 videos in a matter of seconds on your computer, but you can also do this right on your Xbox 360, bringing it mainstream for many who have never used it. Not to mention the super low cost of basically $9 bucks a month! I have been using it for a few weeks and since it came out on the XBox 360 last Wednesday, I have streamed GIGs. Soon as you hear, gigs, you may be interested to know what is required to maintain a high-end video stream. So, I put together some numbers for everyone, in case you are interested in how much bandwidth this service uses! A You can see my data at http://www.linktechs.net/netflix.asp. Feel free to shoot me a e-mail off-list if you have any questions! -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* 314-735-0270 http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
Chuck it won't work, here are some more specifics, on the codecs utilized and bandwidth requirements. The bottom two streams 500/1000k are pretty low quality. We are a facilities based CLEC and have done a bit of testing with the Roku's, for product bundles. http://blog.netflix.com/2008/11/encoding-for-streaming.html Regards Michael Baird Did I interpret your data correctly to mean that if you had a sustained 256Kbps it would work? - Original Message - From: Dennis Burgess [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 2:42 PM Subject: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information In case you did not know, recently NetFlix and Microsoft teamed up to provide video on-demand services to all of the XBox 360 users. Not only can you start one of 12,000 videos in a matter of seconds on your computer, but you can also do this right on your Xbox 360, bringing it mainstream for many who have never used it. Not to mention the super low cost of basically $9 bucks a month! I have been using it for a few weeks and since it came out on the XBox 360 last Wednesday, I have streamed GIGs. Soon as you hear, gigs, you may be interested to know what is required to maintain a high-end video stream. So, I put together some numbers for everyone, in case you are interested in how much bandwidth this service uses! A You can see my data at http://www.linktechs.net/netflix.asp. Feel free to shoot me a e-mail off-list if you have any questions! -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* 314-735-0270 http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
OK, but if you look at Dennis's data, it appears to me that the average was in the hundreds of K. But maybe I didn't read it correctly. - Original Message - From: Michael Baird [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Chuck it won't work, here are some more specifics, on the codecs utilized and bandwidth requirements. The bottom two streams 500/1000k are pretty low quality. We are a facilities based CLEC and have done a bit of testing with the Roku's, for product bundles. http://blog.netflix.com/2008/11/encoding-for-streaming.html Regards Michael Baird Did I interpret your data correctly to mean that if you had a sustained 256Kbps it would work? - Original Message - From: Dennis Burgess [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 2:42 PM Subject: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information In case you did not know, recently NetFlix and Microsoft teamed up to provide video on-demand services to all of the XBox 360 users. Not only can you start one of 12,000 videos in a matter of seconds on your computer, but you can also do this right on your Xbox 360, bringing it mainstream for many who have never used it. Not to mention the super low cost of basically $9 bucks a month! I have been using it for a few weeks and since it came out on the XBox 360 last Wednesday, I have streamed GIGs. Soon as you hear, gigs, you may be interested to know what is required to maintain a high-end video stream. So, I put together some numbers for everyone, in case you are interested in how much bandwidth this service uses! A You can see my data at http://www.linktechs.net/netflix.asp. Feel free to shoot me a e-mail off-list if you have any questions! -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* 314-735-0270 http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
I have been streaming Netflix movies as well as Hulu and CBS content for quite sometime now on the Xbox using MediaMall's PlayOn. It is a great piece of free (for now) software that lets you interface to major content providers from a laptop to your Xbox 360. The numbers are about the same as the Netflix content, maybe a little less. Anyhow, this trend of streaming video sure is coming along nicely. I cancelled my cable months ago and get all of my movies and TV off of the web (Family Guy and the Office via Hulu!!) I hope no one is still paying for tiered services on Frac DS3s ... Ouch!!! -d On 11/23/08 4:23 PM, Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, but if you look at Dennis's data, it appears to me that the average was in the hundreds of K. But maybe I didn't read it correctly. - Original Message - From: Michael Baird [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Chuck it won't work, here are some more specifics, on the codecs utilized and bandwidth requirements. The bottom two streams 500/1000k are pretty low quality. We are a facilities based CLEC and have done a bit of testing with the Roku's, for product bundles. http://blog.netflix.com/2008/11/encoding-for-streaming.html Regards Michael Baird Did I interpret your data correctly to mean that if you had a sustained 256Kbps it would work? - Original Message - From: Dennis Burgess [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 2:42 PM Subject: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information In case you did not know, recently NetFlix and Microsoft teamed up to provide video on-demand services to all of the XBox 360 users. Not only can you start one of 12,000 videos in a matter of seconds on your computer, but you can also do this right on your Xbox 360, bringing it mainstream for many who have never used it. Not to mention the super low cost of basically $9 bucks a month! I have been using it for a few weeks and since it came out on the XBox 360 last Wednesday, I have streamed GIGs. Soon as you hear, gigs, you may be interested to know what is required to maintain a high-end video stream. So, I put together some numbers for everyone, in case you are interested in how much bandwidth this service uses! A You can see my data at http://www.linktechs.net/netflix.asp. Feel free to shoot me a e-mail off-list if you have any questions! -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* 314-735-0270 http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
No not Kbps but rather KBps so multiply it all with 8 to get Kbit. From my own checks I see peaks of well over 2.5Mbit with Netflix on highest quality. As much as 3-3.5Mbit as a matter over a 5Min average. / Eje -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 3 Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 3:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Did I interpret your data correctly to mean that if you had a sustained 256Kbps it would work? - Original Message - From: Dennis Burgess [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 2:42 PM Subject: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information In case you did not know, recently NetFlix and Microsoft teamed up to provide video on-demand services to all of the XBox 360 users. Not only can you start one of 12,000 videos in a matter of seconds on your computer, but you can also do this right on your Xbox 360, bringing it mainstream for many who have never used it. Not to mention the super low cost of basically $9 bucks a month! I have been using it for a few weeks and since it came out on the XBox 360 last Wednesday, I have streamed GIGs. Soon as you hear, gigs, you may be interested to know what is required to maintain a high-end video stream. So, I put together some numbers for everyone, in case you are interested in how much bandwidth this service uses! A You can see my data at http://www.linktechs.net/netflix.asp. Feel free to shoot me a e-mail off-list if you have any questions! -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* 314-735-0270 http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
Oh, yes, and I give folks crap for the same thing... Too bad, I was getting excited. Thought there was some kind of miracle of compression technologies. - Original Message - From: Eje Gustafsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 6:00 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information No not Kbps but rather KBps so multiply it all with 8 to get Kbit. From my own checks I see peaks of well over 2.5Mbit with Netflix on highest quality. As much as 3-3.5Mbit as a matter over a 5Min average. / Eje -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 3 Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 3:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Did I interpret your data correctly to mean that if you had a sustained 256Kbps it would work? - Original Message - From: Dennis Burgess [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 2:42 PM Subject: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information In case you did not know, recently NetFlix and Microsoft teamed up to provide video on-demand services to all of the XBox 360 users. Not only can you start one of 12,000 videos in a matter of seconds on your computer, but you can also do this right on your Xbox 360, bringing it mainstream for many who have never used it. Not to mention the super low cost of basically $9 bucks a month! I have been using it for a few weeks and since it came out on the XBox 360 last Wednesday, I have streamed GIGs. Soon as you hear, gigs, you may be interested to know what is required to maintain a high-end video stream. So, I put together some numbers for everyone, in case you are interested in how much bandwidth this service uses! A You can see my data at http://www.linktechs.net/netflix.asp. Feel free to shoot me a e-mail off-list if you have any questions! -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* 314-735-0270 http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
Lowest quality is so bad IMO that you do not want to watch it on full screen but watch it on a youtube size picture frame and you will have a movie that is in pare to little better then youtube. Highest quality looks like DVD quality and is quite enjoyable. Second to best is alright. The second to worst isn't that great either but good enough to watch full screen and not get to bad youtube feeling. / Eje -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 4:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Chuck it won't work, here are some more specifics, on the codecs utilized and bandwidth requirements. The bottom two streams 500/1000k are pretty low quality. We are a facilities based CLEC and have done a bit of testing with the Roku's, for product bundles. http://blog.netflix.com/2008/11/encoding-for-streaming.html Regards Michael Baird Did I interpret your data correctly to mean that if you had a sustained 256Kbps it would work? - Original Message - From: Dennis Burgess [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 2:42 PM Subject: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information In case you did not know, recently NetFlix and Microsoft teamed up to provide video on-demand services to all of the XBox 360 users. Not only can you start one of 12,000 videos in a matter of seconds on your computer, but you can also do this right on your Xbox 360, bringing it mainstream for many who have never used it. Not to mention the super low cost of basically $9 bucks a month! I have been using it for a few weeks and since it came out on the XBox 360 last Wednesday, I have streamed GIGs. Soon as you hear, gigs, you may be interested to know what is required to maintain a high-end video stream. So, I put together some numbers for everyone, in case you are interested in how much bandwidth this service uses! A You can see my data at http://www.linktechs.net/netflix.asp. Feel free to shoot me a e-mail off-list if you have any questions! -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* 314-735-0270 http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
Now we just need Mikrotik to add a category like "all-p2p" but called "all-video" so I can throttle that too. :) TV belongs on satellite. It's the best use of resources. Travis Microserv Eje Gustafsson wrote: Lowest quality is so bad IMO that you do not want to watch it on full screen but watch it on a youtube size picture frame and you will have a movie that is in pare to little better then youtube. Highest quality looks like DVD quality and is quite enjoyable. Second to best is alright. The second to worst isn't that great either but good enough to watch full screen and not get to bad youtube feeling. / Eje -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 4:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Chuck it won't work, here are some more specifics, on the codecs utilized and bandwidth requirements. The bottom two streams 500/1000k are pretty low quality. We are a facilities based CLEC and have done a bit of testing with the Roku's, for product bundles. http://blog.netflix.com/2008/11/encoding-for-streaming.html Regards Michael Baird Did I interpret your data correctly to mean that if you had a sustained 256Kbps it would work? - Original Message - From: "Dennis Burgess" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 2:42 PM Subject: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information In case you did not know, recently NetFlix and Microsoft teamed up to provide video on-demand services to all of the XBox 360 users. Not only can you start one of 12,000 videos in a matter of seconds on your computer, but you can also do this right on your Xbox 360, bringing it mainstream for many who have never used it. Not to mention the super low cost of basically $9 bucks a month! I have been using it for a few weeks and since it came out on the XBox 360 last Wednesday, I have streamed GIGs. Soon as you hear, gigs, you may be interested to know what is required to maintain a high-end video stream. So, I put together some numbers for everyone, in case you are interested in how much bandwidth this service uses! A You can see my data at http://www.linktechs.net/netflix.asp. Feel free to shoot me a e-mail off-list if you have any questions! -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* 314-735-0270 http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
Yep, low stinks. Like I said though, watched a number of movies on it on a 40 inch LCD, looks great! Have had VERY little in hicups, etc. Near DVD quality on the non-HD streams. :) works great. -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* 314-735-0270 http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Eje Gustafsson wrote: Lowest quality is so bad IMO that you do not want to watch it on full screen but watch it on a youtube size picture frame and you will have a movie that is in pare to little better then youtube. Highest quality looks like DVD quality and is quite enjoyable. Second to best is alright. The second to worst isn't that great either but good enough to watch full screen and not get to bad youtube feeling. / Eje -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 4:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Chuck it won't work, here are some more specifics, on the codecs utilized and bandwidth requirements. The bottom two streams 500/1000k are pretty low quality. We are a facilities based CLEC and have done a bit of testing with the Roku's, for product bundles. http://blog.netflix.com/2008/11/encoding-for-streaming.html Regards Michael Baird Did I interpret your data correctly to mean that if you had a sustained 256Kbps it would work? - Original Message - From: Dennis Burgess [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 2:42 PM Subject: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information In case you did not know, recently NetFlix and Microsoft teamed up to provide video on-demand services to all of the XBox 360 users. Not only can you start one of 12,000 videos in a matter of seconds on your computer, but you can also do this right on your Xbox 360, bringing it mainstream for many who have never used it. Not to mention the super low cost of basically $9 bucks a month! I have been using it for a few weeks and since it came out on the XBox 360 last Wednesday, I have streamed GIGs. Soon as you hear, gigs, you may be interested to know what is required to maintain a high-end video stream. So, I put together some numbers for everyone, in case you are interested in how much bandwidth this service uses! A You can see my data at http://www.linktechs.net/netflix.asp. Feel free to shoot me a e-mail off-list if you have any questions! -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* 314-735-0270 http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA
Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
I'm seeing 6 meg streams bursts but afterward showing the ~1.5 meg stream average. When starting the stream it detects quality and such, it would do about 2.5 megs for a good 10 seconds. Then the video started (Super High Me in this case) and it did 6 megs for a good 5 minutes. The stream then stopped for ~1 minute and streamed for 1 to 2 megs (varied quite a bit). http://iam8up.com/images/netflix-stream.PNG Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 10:47 PM, Dennis Burgess [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Yep, low stinks. Like I said though, watched a number of movies on it on a 40 inch LCD, looks great! Have had VERY little in hicups, etc. Near DVD quality on the non-HD streams. :) works great. -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* 314-735-0270 http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Eje Gustafsson wrote: Lowest quality is so bad IMO that you do not want to watch it on full screen but watch it on a youtube size picture frame and you will have a movie that is in pare to little better then youtube. Highest quality looks like DVD quality and is quite enjoyable. Second to best is alright. The second to worst isn't that great either but good enough to watch full screen and not get to bad youtube feeling. / Eje -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 4:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Chuck it won't work, here are some more specifics, on the codecs utilized and bandwidth requirements. The bottom two streams 500/1000k are pretty low quality. We are a facilities based CLEC and have done a bit of testing with the Roku's, for product bundles. http://blog.netflix.com/2008/11/encoding-for-streaming.html Regards Michael Baird Did I interpret your data correctly to mean that if you had a sustained 256Kbps it would work? - Original Message - From: Dennis Burgess [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 2:42 PM Subject: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information In case you did not know, recently NetFlix and Microsoft teamed up to provide video on-demand services to all of the XBox 360 users. Not only can you start one of 12,000 videos in a matter of seconds on your computer, but you can also do this right on your Xbox 360, bringing it mainstream for many who have never used it. Not to mention the super low cost of basically $9 bucks a month! I have been using it for a few weeks and since it came out on the XBox 360 last Wednesday, I have streamed GIGs. Soon as you hear, gigs, you may be interested to know what is required to maintain a high-end video stream. So, I put together some numbers for everyone, in case you are interested in how much bandwidth this service uses! A You can see my data at http://www.linktechs.net/netflix.asp. Feel free to shoot me a e-mail off-list if you have any questions! -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* 314-735-0270 http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
[WISPA] Updated White Spaces mapping tool
I have updated the White Spaces Google Earth Mapping tool to show ALL of the channels available for Fixed Wireless use. Please go to http://www.wirelessmapping.com/sample_maps.htm to download the latest version. There is also a second link to a file with the analog low power stations that may not convert to digital in February. It's a huge file and is only for reference. You will need to do some research on your own to determine if any particular station will remain on the air. Thank You, Brian Webster WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
It will be interesting to see how this plays out... the amount of bandwidth required to sustain this type of service is not cost effective. My upstream costs alone are over $50/Mbps. So if someone wants to run a constant 2Mbps stream, my raw cost is $100 per month (not including backhaul, support, AP costs, etc.). Wait until people realize that this type of service isn't going to be "free" as they think now when they get a $150/month internet bill, the $40 for DishTV will look pretty good. ;) Travis Microserv Josh Luthman wrote: I'm seeing 6 meg streams bursts but afterward showing the ~1.5 meg stream average. When starting the stream it detects quality and such, it would do about 2.5 megs for a good 10 seconds. Then the video started (Super High Me in this case) and it did 6 megs for a good 5 minutes. The stream then stopped for ~1 minute and streamed for 1 to 2 megs (varied quite a bit). http://iam8up.com/images/netflix-stream.PNG Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 10:47 PM, Dennis Burgess [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Yep, low stinks. Like I said though, watched a number of movies on it on a 40 inch LCD, looks great! Have had VERY little in hicups, etc. Near DVD quality on the non-HD streams. :) works great. -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* 314-735-0270 http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Eje Gustafsson wrote: Lowest quality is so bad IMO that you do not want to watch it on full screen but watch it on a youtube size picture frame and you will have a movie that is in pare to little better then youtube. Highest quality looks like DVD quality and is quite enjoyable. Second to best is alright. The second to worst isn't that great either but good enough to watch full screen and not get to bad youtube feeling. / Eje -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 4:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Chuck it won't work, here are some more specifics, on the codecs utilized and bandwidth requirements. The bottom two streams 500/1000k are pretty low quality. We are a facilities based CLEC and have done a bit of testing with the Roku's, for product bundles. http://blog.netflix.com/2008/11/encoding-for-streaming.html Regards Michael Baird Did I interpret your data correctly to mean that if you had a sustained 256Kbps it would work? - Original Message - From: "Dennis Burgess" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 2:42 PM Subject: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information In case you did not know, recently NetFlix and Microsoft teamed up to provide video on-demand services to all of the XBox 360 users. Not only can you start one of 12,000 videos in a matter of seconds on your computer, but you can also do this right on your Xbox 360, bringing it mainstream for many who have never used it. Not to mention the super low cost of basically $9 bucks a month! I have been using it for a few weeks and since it came out on the XBox 360 last Wednesday, I have streamed GIGs. Soon as you hear, gigs, you may be interested to know what is required to maintain a high-end video stream. So, I put together some numbers for everyone, in case you are interested in how much bandwidth this service uses! A You can see my data at http://www.linktechs.net/netflix.asp. Feel free to shoot me a e-mail off-list if you have any questions! -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* 314-735-0270 http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:
Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
On Sun, 23 Nov 2008, Travis Johnson wrote: It will be interesting to see how this plays out... the amount of bandwidth required to sustain this type of service is not cost effective. My upstream costs alone are over $50/Mbps. So if someone wants to run a constant 2Mbps stream, my raw cost is $100 per month (not including backhaul, support, AP costs, etc.). Wait until people realize that this type of service isn't going to be free as they think now when they get a $150/month internet bill, the $40 for DishTV will look pretty good. ;) Even the cable companies are feeling the burn here: http://tinyurl.com/3oufk8 Or a better story: http://news.cnet.com/2100-1034_3-5079624.html I am glad to see these types of reports coming out. The cable ops and telcos have been rapidly trying to commoditize Internet access services and now they are realizing how stupid that was. In my opinion, high profile companies that are setting these limits are going to help the smaller guys (that's us) get away with what, in many cases, we were already doing. BW caps are something that will HAVE to happen in one form or another. RANT Where are all the net neutrality people now? Why aren't you all arguing that something like this is not relevant? Isn't this something that you have all asked for? I mean, if I sell someone a 2 meg connection, shouldn't they (and everyone else on the system) be able to run at 2 meg for the whole month? What difference does it make if I am buying a wireless connection, DSL or cable connection? In a net neutral environment, should it matter that I am streaming this type of content? /RANT I feel better. ;-) -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * WISPA Board Member * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
Agreed! -- Original Message -- From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 19:42:43 -0700 Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
I'm all for open systems. Limiting the amount of bandwidth at any level is, to me, a terrible thing to do. I understand that it doesn't necessarily fit the model as it applies to today's business for many ISPs, but, maybe its time to change the model. This is where the separation of providers starts to take shape. The networks that can handle these loads and supply the end-user are going to win the customers. I honestly think the demand of large scale bandwidth is going to be fed to the end-user by the consumer electronics market. Look at CES last year. Look how many devices demand connectivity at certain levels. If your current service provider can't get you what you need, there will always be someone else who can. There is some great info here from a recent conference: http://www4.gsb.columbia.edu/citi/events/summit2008 Take a look at the slides. I like the reference to the slide where it breaks down how much bandwidth utilization there is expected to be per household: 35+ Mbps (and those are numbers from 2006!) 4 VoIP lines @ 100Kbps 2 SDTVs @ 2Mbps 2 HDTVs @ 9 Mbps 1 Gaming device @ 1Mbps 1 High Spedd Internet @ 10Mbps Scary how quickly it adds up :) My favorite quote: ³By the year 2010 bandwidth for 20 homes will generate more traffic than entire Internet in 1995² -d On 11/24/08 12:24 AM, Butch Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 23 Nov 2008, Travis Johnson wrote: It will be interesting to see how this plays out... the amount of bandwidth required to sustain this type of service is not cost effective. My upstream costs alone are over $50/Mbps. So if someone wants to run a constant 2Mbps stream, my raw cost is $100 per month (not including backhaul, support, AP costs, etc.). Wait until people realize that this type of service isn't going to be free as they think now when they get a $150/month internet bill, the $40 for DishTV will look pretty good. ;) Even the cable companies are feeling the burn here: http://tinyurl.com/3oufk8 Or a better story: http://news.cnet.com/2100-1034_3-5079624.html I am glad to see these types of reports coming out. The cable ops and telcos have been rapidly trying to commoditize Internet access services and now they are realizing how stupid that was. In my opinion, high profile companies that are setting these limits are going to help the smaller guys (that's us) get away with what, in many cases, we were already doing. BW caps are something that will HAVE to happen in one form or another. RANT Where are all the net neutrality people now? Why aren't you all arguing that something like this is not relevant? Isn't this something that you have all asked for? I mean, if I sell someone a 2 meg connection, shouldn't they (and everyone else on the system) be able to run at 2 meg for the whole month? What difference does it make if I am buying a wireless connection, DSL or cable connection? In a net neutral environment, should it matter that I am streaming this type of content? /RANT I feel better. ;-) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
It will further the digital divide. Rural remote locations will be again left in the boon docks. Where I live, 3 meg DSL is the fastest available connection at $75/mth. Cheapest T1 here is over $600/mth, and fiber? forget it, can't get it unless you want to build about 4 towers just to backhaul, or pay $1200/mth for each cell tower to put them on. Why should the small ISP's foot the bill for Netflix and these companies that are making million's of dollars more than we are? Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Drew Lentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 00:41:41 -0600 I'm all for open systems. Limiting the amount of bandwidth at any level is, to me, a terrible thing to do. I understand that it doesn't necessarily fit the model as it applies to today's business for many ISPs, but, maybe its time to change the model. This is where the separation of providers starts to take shape. The networks that can handle these loads and supply the end-user are going to win the customers. I honestly think the demand of large scale bandwidth is going to be fed to the end-user by the consumer electronics market. Look at CES last year. Look how many devices demand connectivity at certain levels. If your current service provider can't get you what you need, there will always be someone else who can. There is some great info here from a recent conference: http://www4.gsb.columbia.edu/citi/events/summit2008 Take a look at the slides. I like the reference to the slide where it breaks down how much bandwidth utilization there is expected to be per household: 35+ Mbps (and those are numbers from 2006!) 4 VoIP lines @ 100Kbps 2 SDTVs @ 2Mbps 2 HDTVs @ 9 Mbps 1 Gaming device @ 1Mbps 1 High Spedd Internet @ 10Mbps Scary how quickly it adds up :) My favorite quote: ³By the year 2010 bandwidth for 20 homes will generate more traffic than entire Internet in 1995² -d On 11/24/08 12:24 AM, Butch Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 23 Nov 2008, Travis Johnson wrote: It will be interesting to see how this plays out... the amount of bandwidth required to sustain this type of service is not cost effective. My upstream costs alone are over $50/Mbps. So if someone wants to run a constant 2Mbps stream, my raw cost is $100 per month (not including backhaul, support, AP costs, etc.). Wait until people realize that this type of service isn't going to be free as they think now when they get a $150/month internet bill, the $40 for DishTV will look pretty good. ;) Even the cable companies are feeling the burn here: http://tinyurl.com/3oufk8 Or a better story: http://news.cnet.com/2100-1034_3-5079624.html I am glad to see these types of reports coming out. The cable ops and telcos have been rapidly trying to commoditize Internet access services and now they are realizing how stupid that was. In my opinion, high profile companies that are setting these limits are going to help the smaller guys (that's us) get away with what, in many cases, we were already doing. BW caps are something that will HAVE to happen in one form or another. RANT Where are all the net neutrality people now? Why aren't you all arguing that something like this is not relevant? Isn't this something that you have all asked for? I mean, if I sell someone a 2 meg connection, shouldn't they (and everyone else on the system) be able to run at 2 meg for the whole month? What difference does it make if I am buying a wireless connection, DSL or cable connection? In a net neutral environment, should it matter that I am streaming this type of content? /RANT I feel better. ;-) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
In areas like yours, though, some would argue that is the perfect place for some type of licensed LTE/WiMAX type of service. Even with a Canopy type service it would beat down the doors of the telco offering only 3Mbps of service. As more and more devices have bandwidth requirements, the service providers will fall into line, I believe. Everyone has always pushed for more bandwidth, but it as always come from the customers as opposed to the devices. It seems like now, the device requirements will leave the customer with no choice and force them into a decision of higher consumption. As far as furthering the digital divide, I don't think it will hurt it all that bad. On the contrary what would be nice to see is the communications mediums becoming less expensive because of the amount of services required. Just like the price of bandwidth has changed over the years, I think it will continue to drop. I would love to see some research data on the cost per MB over the last 10 years and see what the trend is like. That combined with less expensive and functional equipment (UBNT's Bullet, the introduction of Mikrotik years ago, for examples) gives operators the ability to put more bandwidth than before in users hands at a fraction of the cost. I think more than anything it will come down to a backhaul battle. Fiber to the node, fiber to the AP, high capacity microwave links (Bridgewave, Dragonwave, Ceragon, etc) These are all going to be critically important to aggregate and transport these huge amounts of data. On 11/24/08 1:06 AM, Scottie Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It will further the digital divide. Rural remote locations will be again left in the boon docks. Where I live, 3 meg DSL is the fastest available connection at $75/mth. Cheapest T1 here is over $600/mth, and fiber? forget it, can't get it unless you want to build about 4 towers just to backhaul, or pay $1200/mth for each cell tower to put them on. Why should the small ISP's foot the bill for Netflix and these companies that are making million's of dollars more than we are? Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Drew Lentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 00:41:41 -0600 I'm all for open systems. Limiting the amount of bandwidth at any level is, to me, a terrible thing to do. I understand that it doesn't necessarily fit the model as it applies to today's business for many ISPs, but, maybe its time to change the model. This is where the separation of providers starts to take shape. The networks that can handle these loads and supply the end-user are going to win the customers. I honestly think the demand of large scale bandwidth is going to be fed to the end-user by the consumer electronics market. Look at CES last year. Look how many devices demand connectivity at certain levels. If your current service provider can't get you what you need, there will always be someone else who can. There is some great info here from a recent conference: http://www4.gsb.columbia.edu/citi/events/summit2008 Take a look at the slides. I like the reference to the slide where it breaks down how much bandwidth utilization there is expected to be per household: 35+ Mbps (and those are numbers from 2006!) 4 VoIP lines @ 100Kbps 2 SDTVs @ 2Mbps 2 HDTVs @ 9 Mbps 1 Gaming device @ 1Mbps 1 High Spedd Internet @ 10Mbps Scary how quickly it adds up :) My favorite quote: ³By the year 2010 bandwidth for 20 homes will generate more traffic than entire Internet in 1995² -d On 11/24/08 12:24 AM, Butch Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 23 Nov 2008, Travis Johnson wrote: It will be interesting to see how this plays out... the amount of bandwidth required to sustain this type of service is not cost effective. My upstream costs alone are over $50/Mbps. So if someone wants to run a constant 2Mbps stream, my raw cost is $100 per month (not including backhaul, support, AP costs, etc.). Wait until people realize that this type of service isn't going to be free as they think now when they get a $150/month internet bill, the $40 for DishTV will look pretty good. ;) Even the cable companies are feeling the burn here: http://tinyurl.com/3oufk8 Or a better story: http://news.cnet.com/2100-1034_3-5079624.html I am glad to see these types of reports coming out. The cable ops and telcos have been rapidly trying to commoditize Internet access services and now they are realizing how stupid that was. In my opinion, high profile companies that are setting these limits are going to help the smaller guys (that's us) get away with what, in many cases, we were already doing. BW caps are something that will HAVE to happen in one form or another. RANT Where are all the net neutrality people now? Why aren't you all arguing that something like this is not relevant? Isn't this something that
