Re: [WISPA] High Throughput Licensed vs. Unlicensed - change of topic -- customers / AP
Or AP/subscriber ratio is super low where we dont usually have more than a dozen or so but this is necessary for selling optimal speed and providing quality voip services. 5MB speeds to our customers doesn't impress them, 10-20 does. Its a tough market here with lots of competition. VoIP gets a bit hairy over about 12 customers on an ap pulling that kind of bw. We have lots of APs / Towers :) Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 12:11 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Throughput Licensed vs. Unlicensed - change of topic -- customers / AP WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] High Throughput Licensed vs. Unlicensed - change of topic -- customers / AP
With VoIP is it really a bandwidth issue or is it a latency issue? My experience is mostly with Skype and not SIP/H323 but what I've seen is that the bandwidth consumed isn't very high but the latency makes it or breaks it. Greg On Apr 11, 2009, at 1:54 AM, Scott Carullo wrote: Or AP/subscriber ratio is super low where we dont usually have more than a dozen or so but this is necessary for selling optimal speed and providing quality voip services. 5MB speeds to our customers doesn't impress them, 10-20 does. Its a tough market here with lots of competition. VoIP gets a bit hairy over about 12 customers on an ap pulling that kind of bw. We have lots of APs / Towers :) Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 12:11 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Throughput Licensed vs. Unlicensed - change of topic -- customers / AP WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] High Throughput Licensed vs. Unlicensed - change of topic -- customers / AP
Travis It has been great to see how you have turned into seasoned Canopy provider SO i must assume your opinion of the product has changed recently... Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 12:11 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Throughput Licensed vs. Unlicensed - change of topic -- customers / AP Hi, I think that's maybe a little high... we have a Canopy AP right now with 100 users on it... about 10% business and 90% residential and it's probably bringing in about $3,500 / month. We will probably load it up to about 120 users total, at which point it will be around $4,000 / month. Travis Microserv Charles Wu wrote: Which begs an interesting point -- how much revenue / AP? I would think $5k / month for a 20 MHz chunk of 5.8 spectrum, while a bit on the higher side, isn't an unreasonable goal Using Canopy...you have 14 Mb aggregate Selling for $50 / month residential -- that's 100 customers sharing 14 Mb Splitting between $100 / month business and $50 / month residential (for better traffic shaping) -- that's now 20 business customers during the day time (8-5) 60 residential customers in the afternoon / evening (4-12) Now obviously, there will always be places where you're shooting into a hole, or there aren't that many homes / business being covered, blah blah blah blah -- but I don't think $5k / month / AP is an unreasonable goal Thoughts? Comments? -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 5:56 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Throughput Licensed vs. Unlicensed This has been an outstanding thread I have enjoyed reading - and learned a bit in the process... thanks. I'll just add that while we are trying to keep the numbers trained to a common wisp - either you guys have a lucky horse shoe or achieving a $5000/mo revenue on one ap is a bit outside the avg... At least for discussion sake. But - even at 1/5th of that your argument still holds true for the most part. Its just that you add in 900mhz (not as common) and all the lower power 5Ghz spectrum available now, 2.4Ghz etc and also mention you can run MT stuff on 10Mhz channels and you just effectively doubled your options based on what type of clients you are servicing etc... Then theres radios that have GPS sync for spectrum reuse etc and the conversation starts to get a lot more complex :) But, in any case this has been an eye-opening discussion... Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Charles Wu IMCEAEX-_O=CTI_OU=EXCHANGE+20ADMINISTRATIVE+20GROUP+20+28FYDIBOHF23SPDL T+29 _cn=recipients_cn=char...@converge-tech.com Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 2:47 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Throughput Licensed vs. Unlicensed I do see Travis's point about the longer range shots, however. I've got a 35, 45 and 65 mile shots with StarOS and they work just fine but only put out about 18-25meg at those distances. That's enough for me, but I can see where you would want more capacity and I suppose that within that narrow definition, a PTP600 would be better than a licensed link. Make no mistake, the PTP600, even though it's almost 5 years old, is still one (if not the) best UL radio on the market from a pure technological perspective -- no other radio has it's combination of 1024FFT OFDM, Space-Time-Coding, MIMO, etc Makes you wonder what planet Motorola / Orthogon raided to get the engineers who built that radio =) And I'm sure many on the list can attest to the wonderful things that a PTP600 does / can do
Re: [WISPA] High Throughput Licensed vs. Unlicensed - change oftopic -- customers / AP
Most of my residential users use way more than my business users. The businesses do not allow for watching hulu, netflix, and YouTube when they are supposed to be working. I would have to almost reverse your 20/60 statement. In the last year or two, residential usage has gone way above the business usage in my area. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 22:50:37 -0500 Which begs an interesting point -- how much revenue / AP? I would think $5k / month for a 20 MHz chunk of 5.8 spectrum, while a bit on the higher side, isn't an unreasonable goal Using Canopy...you have 14 Mb aggregate Selling for $50 / month residential -- that's 100 customers sharing 14 Mb Splitting between $100 / month business and $50 / month residential (for better traffic shaping) -- that's now 20 business customers during the day time (8-5) 60 residential customers in the afternoon / evening (4-12) Now obviously, there will always be places where you're shooting into a hole, or there aren't that many homes / business being covered, blah blah blah blah -- but I don't think $5k / month / AP is an unreasonable goal Thoughts? Comments? -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 5:56 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Throughput Licensed vs. Unlicensed This has been an outstanding thread I have enjoyed reading - and learned a bit in the process... thanks. I'll just add that while we are trying to keep the numbers trained to a common wisp - either you guys have a lucky horse shoe or achieving a $5000/mo revenue on one ap is a bit outside the avg... At least for discussion sake. But - even at 1/5th of that your argument still holds true for the most part. Its just that you add in 900mhz (not as common) and all the lower power 5Ghz spectrum available now, 2.4Ghz etc and also mention you can run MT stuff on 10Mhz channels and you just effectively doubled your options based on what type of clients you are servicing etc... Then theres radios that have GPS sync for spectrum reuse etc and the conversation starts to get a lot more complex :) But, in any case this has been an eye-opening discussion... Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Charles Wu IMCEAEX-_O=CTI_OU=EXCHANGE+20ADMINISTRATIVE+20GROUP+20+28FYDIBOHF23SPDLT+29 _cn=recipients_cn=char...@converge-tech.com Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 2:47 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Throughput Licensed vs. Unlicensed I do see Travis's point about the longer range shots, however. I've got a 35, 45 and 65 mile shots with StarOS and they work just fine but only put out about 18-25meg at those distances. That's enough for me, but I can see where you would want more capacity and I suppose that within that narrow definition, a PTP600 would be better than a licensed link. Make no mistake, the PTP600, even though it's almost 5 years old, is still one (if not the) best UL radio on the market from a pure technological perspective -- no other radio has it's combination of 1024FFT OFDM, Space-Time-Coding, MIMO, etc Makes you wonder what planet Motorola / Orthogon raided to get the engineers who built that radio =) And I'm sure many on the list can attest to the wonderful things that a PTP600 does / can do However, the discussion has to come back to the reality that we don't work for the government (and can't print money or write stimulus bills on a whim), and as a result, have to figure out a way to make a buck so we can feed the dog, buy gas, pay for those ski trips in Utah... That said, we get back to bang for buck or good enough True, the PTP600 will generally work for all scenarios, but it's akin to killing a bug with a nuclear warhead -- it's a lot more cost effective (and there's less collateral damage) if you just step on it with your shoe So, for the 1% of times when you need to shoot 50+ miles while bouncing off 2 different mountains, the PTP600 will be your best bet But for the other 90% of the time, when you have a 10-20 mile shot and want something that reliable, carrier-class, and interference / spectrum isn't an issue, many are using Mikrotiks / StarOS / Trango Atlas / name your own cheap but decent proprietary Atheros-based system out there Now, I'm personally extremely cheap, but the argument is over because you can't just look at up-front price because long-term cost is just as (if not more) important when talking about WISP networks That said, being a slow day, it's worth exercising one's mind to analyze possible what-if alternative situations -- bear with me here and follow my logic here... The MOST VALUABLE ASSET of
Re: [WISPA] High Throughput Licensed vs. Unlicensed - change of topic -- customers / AP
Hi Greg, The issue with VoIP over shared wireless is contention for time slots -- which translates into jitter and pps -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 5:00 AM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Throughput Licensed vs. Unlicensed - change of topic -- customers / AP With VoIP is it really a bandwidth issue or is it a latency issue? My experience is mostly with Skype and not SIP/H323 but what I've seen is that the bandwidth consumed isn't very high but the latency makes it or breaks it. Greg On Apr 11, 2009, at 1:54 AM, Scott Carullo wrote: Or AP/subscriber ratio is super low where we dont usually have more than a dozen or so but this is necessary for selling optimal speed and providing quality voip services. 5MB speeds to our customers doesn't impress them, 10-20 does. Its a tough market here with lots of competition. VoIP gets a bit hairy over about 12 customers on an ap pulling that kind of bw. We have lots of APs / Towers :) Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 12:11 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Throughput Licensed vs. Unlicensed - change of topic -- customers / AP WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] High Throughput Licensed vs. Unlicensed - change of topic -- customers / AP
Even in the most competitive urban markets, if you're selling VoIP + Data as a combined offering, I'd bet that your ARPU is at least $200+ / month Heck, from our experience, we find that voice revenues are generally 2-4x data revenues -- so if a business is paying $75 / month for a business connection, they will probably spend $150-250 / month on VoIP (for business, say we assume an average of $30 / handset -- that's 5-10 handsets) So, say you have 15 business customers at $200 / month, and 20 residential customers at $50 / month for the evenings You're still @ $4k / AP Or, since we're ultimately talking channels -- with GPS synchronization, it's possible to put a minimum of 2 APs / channel (and if you're on a building in an urban environment, you could be stupid like us and put 4 APs on a single channel =) In this scenario, the value per channel of LEGAL high-power unlicensed spectrum keeps going up -Charles P.S. -- care to share your numbers? I only have personal data to go by...and I in range? Or way off? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 1:25 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Throughput Licensed vs. Unlicensed - change of topic -- customers / AP Or AP/subscriber ratio is super low where we dont usually have more than a dozen or so but this is necessary for selling optimal speed and providing quality voip services. 5MB speeds to our customers doesn't impress them, 10-20 does. Its a tough market here with lots of competition. VoIP gets a bit hairy over about 12 customers on an ap pulling that kind of bw. We have lots of APs / Towers :) Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 12:11 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Throughput Licensed vs. Unlicensed - change of topic -- customers / AP WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Time Warner Tests $150-Per-Month Unlimited Internet
The link is described as a non-working URL. Ron -Original Message- From: Eje Gustafsson [mailto:e...@wisp-router.com] Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 10:22 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Time Warner Tests $150-Per-Month Unlimited Internet Not seen anyone post this article but think it is of interest to people on the list. http://www.informationweek.com/news/services/data/showArticle.jhtml?articleI D=216500302 http://www.informationweek.com/news/services/data/showArticle.jhtml?article ID=216500302subSection=News subSection=News / Eje WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Time Warner Tests $150-Per-Month Unlimited Internet
http://tinyurl.com/cmqueh -- Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com Ron Harden wrote: The link is described as a non-working URL. Ron -Original Message- From: Eje Gustafsson [mailto:e...@wisp-router.com] Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 10:22 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Time Warner Tests $150-Per-Month Unlimited Internet Not seen anyone post this article but think it is of interest to people on the list. http://www.informationweek.com/news/services/data/showArticle.jhtml?articleI D=216500302 http://www.informationweek.com/news/services/data/showArticle.jhtml?article ID=216500302subSection=News subSection=News / Eje WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] do you throw stuff off from a tower?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdzwuFuBSjM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdzwuFuBSjMfeature=related feature=related Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] do you throw stuff off from a tower?
Sweet On 4/11/09, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdzwuFuBSjM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdzwuFuBSjMfeature=related feature=related Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] High Throughput Licensed vs. Unlicensed - change of topic -- customers / AP
Scott Carullo wrote: Or AP/subscriber ratio is super low where we dont usually have more than a dozen or so but this is necessary for selling optimal speed and providing quality voip services. 20 subs on a tower is a good tower for me. If only cows needed WiFi Brian 5MB speeds to our customers doesn't impress them, 10-20 does. Its a tough market here with lots of competition. VoIP gets a bit hairy over about 12 customers on an ap pulling that kind of bw. We have lots of APs / Towers :) Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: "Travis Johnson" t...@ida.net Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 12:11 AM To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Throughput Licensed vs. Unlicensed - change of topic -- customers / AP WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Earthquake proofing towers
In Los Angeles they use spring loaded steel plates for the base of their peering. I am wondering if there is an approved product for free standing towers that could work in this fashion? Thanks, Victoria Proffer CEO StLouisBroadband.com ShowMeBroadband.com 314.974.5600 SBA Certified WOSB WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Fwd: Fiber cut in SF area
Someone should be using this example in a way to push wireless as a 2nd option for bup and redundancy Gino Sent from my Motorola Startac... Begin forwarded message: From: Mike Lyon mike.l...@gmail.com Date: April 11, 2009 7:25:26 PM GMT-04:00 To: Sean Donelan s...@donelan.com Cc: na...@nanog.org Subject: Re: Fiber cut in SF area Anyone know how banks in the Bay Area did through this? I wonder how many banks went dark and whether they had any backup plans/connectivity. Me thinks its doubtful. I also wonder if the bigger pharmacies such as Longs, Walgreens, Rite-Aid, Etc had thought about these kinds of issues? I personally doubt it. I bet you they went dark along with everyone else. Unfortunate. The funny thing is that the California lottery would be somewhat immuned to this kind of disaster as they actually use Hughes VSAT at every single retailer. Sorry for the random thoughts... -Mike On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 4:11 PM, Sean Donelan s...@donelan.com wrote: On Sat, 11 Apr 2009, Roger Marquis wrote: The real problem is route redundancy. This is what the original contract from DARPA to BBM, to create the Internet, was about! The net was created to enable communications bttn point A and point B in this exact scenario. Uh, not exactly. There was diversity in this case, but there was also N+1 breaks. Outside of a few counties in the Bay Area, the rest of the country's telecommunication system was unaffected. So in that sense the system worked as designed. Read the original DARPA papers, they were not about making sure grandma could still make a phone call. For a good man in the street perspective of how the outage effected things like a pharmacy's ability to fill subscriptions and a university computer's ability to boot check out a couple of shows broadcast on KUSP (Santa Cruz Public Radio) this morning: Why didn't the man in the street pharmacy have its own backup plans? Why didn't the pharmacy also have a COMCAST or RCN broadband connection for alternative Internet access besides ATT or Verizon, a Citizens Band radio channel 9 for alternative emergency communications besides 9-1-1, a satellite phone for alternative communications besides local cell phones, and a Hughes VSAT dish for yet even more diversity? Why was the pharmacy relying on a single provider? Or do it the old-fashion way before computers and telecommunications; keep a backup paper file of their records so they could continue to fill prescriptions? Why didn't the pharmacy have more self-diversity? Probably the usual reason, more diversity costs more. That may be the reason why hospitals have more diversity than neighborhood pharmacies; and emergency rooms have other ways to get medicine. Maintaining diversity and backups is probably also part of the reason why filling a prescription at a hospital is much more expensive than filling a prescription at your neighborhood pharmacy. Likewise, why didn't grandma have her own pharmacy backup plan. Don't wait until the last minute to refill a critical presciption, have backup copies of prescriptions with her doctor, have an account with an alternative pharmacist in case her primary pharmacist isn't reachable, etc. Readiness works better if everyone does their part, including grandma. Next time it won't be ATT, it will be Cox or Comcast or Qwest or Level 3 or Global Crossing or or or . It won't be vandalism, it will be an earthquake, backhoe, gas main explosion, operator error, Everything fails sometimes. What's your plan? http://www.ready.gov/ personal opinion only WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Off Topic // Looking for Vehicle Advertising Ideas
Looking at some sort of vehicle advertising or maybe a complete vehicle wrap. Was wondering if anyone could share pics of what they might have or what you have seen that you like... Thanks Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Lightning protection used on installs
Its about that time :) What have you guys found most cost effective (and it needs to work) for lightning protection where the cable enters an exterior wall? How much and where do you get them? So far the motorola units seem to be the best I've seen for what you get and how they work... Also, if you don't mind describing the rest of the pieces you like to use I'm all ears... (which type of ground wire / guage / how to attach to wall / color etc) Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Fiber cut in SF area
I would imagine trying to do any kind of wireless, even licensed, could be very difficult in the LA / SF / SJ areas Travis Gino Villarini wrote: Someone should be using this example in a way to push wireless as a 2nd option for bup and redundancy Gino Sent from my Motorola Startac... Begin forwarded message: From: Mike Lyon mike.l...@gmail.com Date: April 11, 2009 7:25:26 PM GMT-04:00 To: Sean Donelan s...@donelan.com Cc: na...@nanog.org Subject: Re: Fiber cut in SF area Anyone know how banks in the Bay Area did through this? I wonder how many banks went dark and whether they had any backup plans/connectivity. Me thinks its doubtful. I also wonder if the bigger pharmacies such as Longs, Walgreens, Rite-Aid, Etc had thought about these kinds of issues? I personally doubt it. I bet you they went dark along with everyone else. Unfortunate. The funny thing is that the California lottery would be somewhat immuned to this kind of disaster as they actually use Hughes VSAT at every single retailer. Sorry for the random thoughts... -Mike On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 4:11 PM, Sean Donelan s...@donelan.com wrote: On Sat, 11 Apr 2009, Roger Marquis wrote: The real problem is route redundancy. This is what the original contract from DARPA to BBM, to create the Internet, was about! "The net" was created to enable communications bttn point A and point B in this exact scenario. Uh, not exactly. There was diversity in this case, but there was also N+1 breaks. Outside of a few counties in the Bay Area, the rest of the country's telecommunication system was unaffected. So in that sense the system worked as designed. Read the original DARPA papers, they were not about making sure grandma could still make a phone call. For a good "man in the street" perspective of how the outage effected things like a pharmacy's ability to fill subscriptions and a university computer's ability to boot check out a couple of shows broadcast on KUSP (Santa Cruz Public Radio) this morning: Why didn't the "man in the street" pharmacy have its own backup plans? Why didn't the pharmacy also have a COMCAST or RCN broadband connection for alternative Internet access besides ATT or Verizon, a Citizens Band radio channel 9 for alternative emergency communications besides 9-1-1, a satellite phone for alternative communications besides local cell phones, and a Hughes VSAT dish for yet even more diversity? Why was the pharmacy relying on a single provider? Or do it the old-fashion way before computers and telecommunications; keep a backup paper file of their records so they could continue to fill prescriptions? Why didn't the pharmacy have more self-diversity? Probably the usual reason, more diversity costs more. That may be the reason why hospitals have more diversity than neighborhood pharmacies; and emergency rooms have other ways to get medicine. Maintaining diversity and backups is probably also part of the reason why filling a prescription at a hospital is much more expensive than filling a prescription at your neighborhood pharmacy. Likewise, why didn't grandma have her own pharmacy backup plan. Don't wait until the last minute to refill a critical presciption, have backup copies of prescriptions with her doctor, have an account with an alternative pharmacist in case her primary pharmacist isn't reachable, etc. Readiness works better if everyone does their part, including grandma. Next time it won't be ATT, it will be Cox or Comcast or Qwest or Level 3 or Global Crossing or or or . It won't be vandalism, it will be an earthquake, backhoe, gas main explosion, operator error, Everything fails sometimes. What's your plan? http://www.ready.gov/ personal opinion only WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Off Topic // Looking for Vehicle Advertising Ideas
Hi, Just take your company logo down to your local sign shop and tell them you want to put vinyl lettering on your vehicles. They can take digital pictures of the vehicle, then place the logo and whatever writing (website, phone, etc) on the vehicle and you can look at it, make changes, and then they just print them out and stick them on. We have all of our company vehicles marked... and we actually generate sales from it. We pay about $300 per vehicle (including installation). I know the complete vehicle wraps are about $3,000 installed... that seems like a waste of money to me... Travis Microserv Scott Carullo wrote: Looking at some sort of vehicle advertising or maybe a complete vehicle wrap. Was wondering if anyone could share pics of what they might have or what you have seen that you like... Thanks Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Fiber cut in SF area
Two big towers would get above buildings, interference wouldn't be a problem if they could get even more spectrum to themselves. On 4/11/09, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: I would imagine trying to do any kind of wireless, even licensed, could be very difficult in the LA / SF / SJ areas Travis Gino Villarini wrote: Someone should be using this example in a way to push wireless as a 2nd option for bup and redundancy Gino Sent from my Motorola Startac... Begin forwarded message: From: Mike Lyon mike.l...@gmail.com Date: April 11, 2009 7:25:26 PM GMT-04:00 To: Sean Donelan s...@donelan.com Cc: na...@nanog.org Subject: Re: Fiber cut in SF area Anyone know how banks in the Bay Area did through this? I wonder how many banks went dark and whether they had any backup plans/connectivity. Me thinks its doubtful. I also wonder if the bigger pharmacies such as Longs, Walgreens, Rite-Aid, Etc had thought about these kinds of issues? I personally doubt it. I bet you they went dark along with everyone else. Unfortunate. The funny thing is that the California lottery would be somewhat immuned to this kind of disaster as they actually use Hughes VSAT at every single retailer. Sorry for the random thoughts... -Mike On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 4:11 PM, Sean Donelan s...@donelan.com wrote: On Sat, 11 Apr 2009, Roger Marquis wrote: The real problem is route redundancy. This is what the original contract from DARPA to BBM, to create the Internet, was about! The net was created to enable communications bttn point A and point B in this exact scenario. Uh, not exactly. There was diversity in this case, but there was also N+1 breaks. Outside of a few counties in the Bay Area, the rest of the country's telecommunication system was unaffected. So in that sense the system worked as designed. Read the original DARPA papers, they were not about making sure grandma could still make a phone call. For a good man in the street perspective of how the outage effected things like a pharmacy's ability to fill subscriptions and a university computer's ability to boot check out a couple of shows broadcast on KUSP (Santa Cruz Public Radio) this morning: Why didn't the man in the street pharmacy have its own backup plans? Why didn't the pharmacy also have a COMCAST or RCN broadband connection for alternative Internet access besides ATT or Verizon, a Citizens Band radio channel 9 for alternative emergency communications besides 9-1-1, a satellite phone for alternative communications besides local cell phones, and a Hughes VSAT dish for yet even more diversity? Why was the pharmacy relying on a single provider? Or do it the old-fashion way before computers and telecommunications; keep a backup paper file of their records so they could continue to fill prescriptions? Why didn't the pharmacy have more self-diversity? Probably the usual reason, more diversity costs more. That may be the reason why hospitals have more diversity than neighborhood pharmacies; and emergency rooms have other ways to get medicine. Maintaining diversity and backups is probably also part of the reason why filling a prescription at a hospital is much more expensive than filling a prescription at your neighborhood pharmacy. Likewise, why didn't grandma have her own pharmacy backup plan. Don't wait until the last minute to refill a critical presciption, have backup copies of prescriptions with her doctor, have an account with an alternative pharmacist in case her primary pharmacist isn't reachable, etc. Readiness works better if everyone does their part, including grandma. Next time it won't be ATT, it will be Cox or Comcast or Qwest or Level 3 or Global Crossing or or or . It won't be vandalism, it will be an earthquake, backhoe, gas main explosion, operator error, Everything fails sometimes. What's your plan? http://www.ready.gov/ personal opinion only WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] Off Topic // Looking for Vehicle Advertising Ideas
We have magnet signs on our car. We get calls from these. I got them from VistaPrint.com. You upload your logo and design them yourself. They are about $15 a piece. At least you can try them out and see if it works before spending anything larger. Martha Martha Huizenga DC Access, LLC 202-546-5898 */Friendly, Local, Affordable, Internet!/**/ Connecting the Capitol Hill Community /* Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, Just take your company logo down to your local sign shop and tell them you want to put vinyl lettering on your vehicles. They can take digital pictures of the vehicle, then place the logo and whatever writing (website, phone, etc) on the vehicle and you can look at it, make changes, and then they just print them out and stick them on. We have all of our company vehicles marked... and we actually generate sales from it. We pay about $300 per vehicle (including installation). I know the complete vehicle wraps are about $3,000 installed... that seems like a waste of money to me... Travis Microserv Scott Carullo wrote: Looking at some sort of vehicle advertising or maybe a complete vehicle wrap. Was wondering if anyone could share pics of what they might have or what you have seen that you like... Thanks Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] do you throw stuff off from a tower?
LOL! We cleared a 10+' omni antenna off the top of a 500' tower and speared it directly in the ground. It cracked it but was still in fairly good condition. -RickG On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdzwuFuBSjM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdzwuFuBSjMfeature=related feature=related Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] High Throughput Licensed vs. Unlicensed - change of topic -- customers / AP
Speaking of which -- http://radio.weblogs.com/0105910/2004/06/08.html -RickG On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 6:41 PM, Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net wrote: Scott Carullo wrote: Or AP/subscriber ratio is super low where we dont usually have more than a dozen or so but this is necessary for selling optimal speed and providing quality voip services. 20 subs on a tower is a good tower for me. If only cows needed WiFi Brian 5MB speeds to our customers doesn't impress them, 10-20 does. Its a tough market here with lots of competition. VoIP gets a bit hairy over about 12 customers on an ap pulling that kind of bw. We have lots of APs / Towers :) Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 12:11 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Throughput Licensed vs. Unlicensed - change of topic -- customers / AP WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Earthquake proofing towers
I worked downtown LA for several years. During one of the big earthquakes I was up on the 30th floor of a major skyscraper. It was hairy, but I felt really bad for the guy in the construction crane next to us. I could see his face through the window - he was in tears and couldnt get down fast enough! -RickG On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 7:14 PM, Lists li...@stlbroadband.com wrote: In Los Angeles they use spring loaded steel plates for the base of their peering. I am wondering if there is an approved product for free standing towers that could work in this fashion? Thanks, Victoria Proffer CEO StLouisBroadband.com ShowMeBroadband.com 314.974.5600 SBA Certified WOSB WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Off Topic // Looking for Vehicle Advertising Ideas
I second this. wraps are cool but you get the best band for the buck just putting your logo on the van. It is the only advertising I do (we're not even in the phonebook!) and I get plenty of calls. -RickG On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 8:23 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: Hi, Just take your company logo down to your local sign shop and tell them you want to put vinyl lettering on your vehicles. They can take digital pictures of the vehicle, then place the logo and whatever writing (website, phone, etc) on the vehicle and you can look at it, make changes, and then they just print them out and stick them on. We have all of our company vehicles marked... and we actually generate sales from it. We pay about $300 per vehicle (including installation). I know the complete vehicle wraps are about $3,000 installed... that seems like a waste of money to me... Travis Microserv Scott Carullo wrote: Looking at some sort of vehicle advertising or maybe a complete vehicle wrap. Was wondering if anyone could share pics of what they might have or what you have seen that you like... Thanks Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Off Topic // Looking for Vehicle Advertising Ideas
I put them on my installers vehicles but usually they get lost or stolen. -RickG On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 10:23 PM, Martha Huizenga mar...@dcaccess.net wrote: We have magnet signs on our car. We get calls from these. I got them from VistaPrint.com. You upload your logo and design them yourself. They are about $15 a piece. At least you can try them out and see if it works before spending anything larger. Martha Martha Huizenga DC Access, LLC 202-546-5898 */Friendly, Local, Affordable, Internet!/**/ Connecting the Capitol Hill Community /* Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, Just take your company logo down to your local sign shop and tell them you want to put vinyl lettering on your vehicles. They can take digital pictures of the vehicle, then place the logo and whatever writing (website, phone, etc) on the vehicle and you can look at it, make changes, and then they just print them out and stick them on. We have all of our company vehicles marked... and we actually generate sales from it. We pay about $300 per vehicle (including installation). I know the complete vehicle wraps are about $3,000 installed... that seems like a waste of money to me... Travis Microserv Scott Carullo wrote: Looking at some sort of vehicle advertising or maybe a complete vehicle wrap. Was wondering if anyone could share pics of what they might have or what you have seen that you like... Thanks Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
