Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Redirect
It sounds like wisp nirvana! Do you mind me asking what billing system you are using, and are you trying to integrate the same? Can Butch Evans write a integration script for this? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of sa...@michianawireless.com Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 4:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Redirect Well. We kinda do this now. When a customer get to far out. We manually add a rule to the router at the tower site he is connected to that redirects all his port 80 traffic to a webpage that says basically, You didn't pay you bill for a long time and you need to contact us and make a payment to before your web surfing will be available again. Email still works, etc... We will still do that. But what I am trying to accomplish is to have my billing system log into the client as soon as is hits 31+ in the billing system and set a rule on the router board that will now occasionally interrupt the clients web browsing by redirecting them to a page letting them know they are now 31+ past due and offer them the chance to pay now. If they chose to not pay now, they can just continue with what they were doing. This way they are always in the know that they are behind and are presented with a way to cure that immediately. Again since the client is not way behind I just want the surfing to be redirect occasionally. Next step would be after this is gone on and they hit 40 days the next script would be ran where it redirects all there web traffic indefinitely to the pay your bill page until paid. I hope that explains it better. Thanks, John - Original Message - From: Chuck Profito cprof...@cv-access.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 11:45:59 AM GMT -05:00 Columbia Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Redirect Why not just a redirect of all port 80 traffic on that ip at 60 days, to the 'Gracious Offer' page, If you call in the next seven days there will be no reup fees, please see your e-mail!, Or maybe just redirect them to a Web Mail Portal sign in page... then 7-14 days later it ALL gets turned off including cancellation fees, if any. Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC cprof...@cv-access.com Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 6:05 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Redirect Yepp bit expected. Because a web page consists of multiple images most of the time and if you use every nth you never know if that rule will then hit a icon, text page or picture file that is retrieved. You could setup something that uses the hotspot service and the advertisement banners. Or I created a solution with Gatespot that when the user login to the hotspot will redirect them to a messaging system that will display any messages to the user if there are any and if there isn't then the user will get their original requested webpage just like normal. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of sa...@michianawireless.com Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 7:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik Redirect What I am attempting to do is setup a script to put on the client routerboard when there account becomes 30+ days behind. This script will occasionally redirect the clients web browser to a notice page that lets them know there account is past due and offer a payment page. If they refresh they should be able to continue browsing. This is intended to be multipurpose, informative to the user in case they forgot to pay, offer a quick way to get caught up and be a tad annoying until paid. I tried this experiment on my home connection: 0 X chain=dstnat action=dst-nat to-addresses=1.2.3.4 to-ports=80 protocol=tcp src-address=0.0.0.0/0 dst-address=!1.2.3.4 dst-port=80 nth=5,1 Really did not work as planned. Occasionally I would get the page at the 1.2.3.4 server but most of the time I would get broken links and partially displayed pages? John Buwa Michiana Wireless WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] Greenup IL
You left out government services. :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 6:47 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Greenup IL Anyone in Greenup with wireless internet service provided by antennas located on towers or elevated structures, for residential or commercial service? (I have learned to be very specific) Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Redirect
You're correct with the liability thing... it sucks that people sue over such petty things. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jonathan Schmidt jeschm...@jeschmidt.com Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 6:38 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Redirect There is some potential liability in this. You don't know if friends are visiting and using the computer...or, the subscriber has an Wi-Fi w/o WAP/WEP and others are (potentially accidentally) using it. In any case, you could be slandering the subscriber by calling them deadbeats to other people. It seems more polite to hit them over and over or persistantly with a demand that they contact a phone number to address a problem with their subscription. It also may stop a law suit...a typical response from a real deadbeat. Cutting off the service is an option but it may enrage the person to never do business with that company again. What you need to do is talk with them without slandering them. ...just a thought... . . . J o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of sa...@michianawireless.com Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 6:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Redirect Well. We kinda do this now. When a customer get to far out. We manually add a rule to the router at the tower site he is connected to that redirects all his port 80 traffic to a webpage that says basically, You didn't pay you bill for a long time and you need to contact us and make a payment to before your web surfing will be available again. Email still works, etc... We will still do that. But what I am trying to accomplish is to have my billing system log into the client as soon as is hits 31+ in the billing system and set a rule on the router board that will now occasionally interrupt the clients web browsing by redirecting them to a page letting them know they are now 31+ past due and offer them the chance to pay now. If they chose to not pay now, they can just continue with what they were doing. This way they are always in the know that they are behind and are presented with a way to cure that immediately. Again since the client is not way behind I just want the surfing to be redirect occasionally. Next step would be after this is gone on and they hit 40 days the next script would be ran where it redirects all there web traffic indefinitely to the pay your bill page until paid. I hope that explains it better. Thanks, John - Original Message - From: Chuck Profito cprof...@cv-access.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 11:45:59 AM GMT -05:00 Columbia Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Redirect Why not just a redirect of all port 80 traffic on that ip at 60 days, to the 'Gracious Offer' page, If you call in the next seven days there will be no reup fees, please see your e-mail!, Or maybe just redirect them to a Web Mail Portal sign in page... then 7-14 days later it ALL gets turned off including cancellation fees, if any. Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC cprof...@cv-access.com Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 6:05 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Redirect Yepp bit expected. Because a web page consists of multiple images most of the time and if you use every nth you never know if that rule will then hit a icon, text page or picture file that is retrieved. You could setup something that uses the hotspot service and the advertisement banners. Or I created a solution with Gatespot that when the user login to the hotspot will redirect them to a messaging system that will display any messages to the user if there are any and if there isn't then the user will get their original requested webpage just like normal. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of sa...@michianawireless.com Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 7:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik Redirect What I am attempting to do is setup a script to put on the client routerboard when there account becomes 30+ days behind. This script will occasionally redirect the clients web browser to a notice page that lets them know there account is past due and offer a payment page. If they refresh they should be able to continue browsing. This is intended to be multipurpose, informative to the user in case they forgot to pay, offer a quick way to get caught up and be a tad annoying until paid. I tried this experiment on my home connection: 0 X chain=dstnat
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Redirect
Liability?? Have your customers sign a contract when they sign up that addresses liability. Have them pay ahead. If they are not paid by the 25th for next month send them email reminders. If they have not paid but the 2nd redirect them (everything) saying there is a problem with their account and to call for help. Have a link to the billing system so they can self help by making a payment. If you don't have a billing system that can do these things automatically you need to switch. David -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 10:27 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Redirect You're correct with the liability thing... it sucks that people sue over such petty things. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jonathan Schmidt jeschm...@jeschmidt.com Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 6:38 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Redirect There is some potential liability in this. You don't know if friends are visiting and using the computer...or, the subscriber has an Wi-Fi w/o WAP/WEP and others are (potentially accidentally) using it. In any case, you could be slandering the subscriber by calling them deadbeats to other people. It seems more polite to hit them over and over or persistantly with a demand that they contact a phone number to address a problem with their subscription. It also may stop a law suit...a typical response from a real deadbeat. Cutting off the service is an option but it may enrage the person to never do business with that company again. What you need to do is talk with them without slandering them. ...just a thought... . . . J o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of sa...@michianawireless.com Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 6:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Redirect Well. We kinda do this now. When a customer get to far out. We manually add a rule to the router at the tower site he is connected to that redirects all his port 80 traffic to a webpage that says basically, You didn't pay you bill for a long time and you need to contact us and make a payment to before your web surfing will be available again. Email still works, etc... We will still do that. But what I am trying to accomplish is to have my billing system log into the client as soon as is hits 31+ in the billing system and set a rule on the router board that will now occasionally interrupt the clients web browsing by redirecting them to a page letting them know they are now 31+ past due and offer them the chance to pay now. If they chose to not pay now, they can just continue with what they were doing. This way they are always in the know that they are behind and are presented with a way to cure that immediately. Again since the client is not way behind I just want the surfing to be redirect occasionally. Next step would be after this is gone on and they hit 40 days the next script would be ran where it redirects all there web traffic indefinitely to the pay your bill page until paid. I hope that explains it better. Thanks, John - Original Message - From: Chuck Profito cprof...@cv-access.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 11:45:59 AM GMT -05:00 Columbia Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Redirect Why not just a redirect of all port 80 traffic on that ip at 60 days, to the 'Gracious Offer' page, If you call in the next seven days there will be no reup fees, please see your e-mail!, Or maybe just redirect them to a Web Mail Portal sign in page... then 7-14 days later it ALL gets turned off including cancellation fees, if any. Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC cprof...@cv-access.com Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 6:05 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Redirect Yepp bit expected. Because a web page consists of multiple images most of the time and if you use every nth you never know if that rule will then hit a icon, text page or picture file that is retrieved. You could setup something that uses the hotspot service and the advertisement banners. Or I created a solution with Gatespot that when the user login to the hotspot will redirect them to a messaging system that will display any messages to the user if there are any and if there isn't then the user will get
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Redirect
Yes, Mike, it isn't the same as sending a letter...even if the color of the envelope is indicative of some situation. Nevertheless, the legal rules are very strict...nobody but the addressee can open it. When you put something on every screen on every PC using a subscriber's account and reveal any financial matter, especially an embarrassing one, a hot head may, when enraged, do all sorts of things...especially if the mistake isn't theirs (which is a small but possible event). If you can get the account holder to sign into a Web site with their assigned USERNAME and PASSWORD...that's OK and you can exchange confidential information. If you can get them to call, that's OK (...can I have your name and last 4 digits of your SS#?). Creating a gated garden which allows an immediate click-to-restore but states that a situation exists that requires the account holder to call a phone number is OK since it doesn't slander the account holder (maybe mistakenly), can verify the account holder, and, if the message screen is only on port 80 and doesn't stop the VoIP phone from accessing 911, etc., there is no jeopardy. And, that screen can come more and more frequently...maybe every 5 minutes until they call. ...just a further thought. . . . j o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 11:27 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Redirect You're correct with the liability thing... it sucks that people sue over such petty things. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jonathan Schmidt jeschm...@jeschmidt.com Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 6:38 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Redirect There is some potential liability in this. You don't know if friends are visiting and using the computer...or, the subscriber has an Wi-Fi w/o WAP/WEP and others are (potentially accidentally) using it. In any case, you could be slandering the subscriber by calling them deadbeats to other people. It seems more polite to hit them over and over or persistantly with a demand that they contact a phone number to address a problem with their subscription. It also may stop a law suit...a typical response from a real deadbeat. Cutting off the service is an option but it may enrage the person to never do business with that company again. What you need to do is talk with them without slandering them. ...just a thought... . . . J o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of sa...@michianawireless.com Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 6:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Redirect Well. We kinda do this now. When a customer get to far out. We manually add a rule to the router at the tower site he is connected to that redirects all his port 80 traffic to a webpage that says basically, You didn't pay you bill for a long time and you need to contact us and make a payment to before your web surfing will be available again. Email still works, etc... We will still do that. But what I am trying to accomplish is to have my billing system log into the client as soon as is hits 31+ in the billing system and set a rule on the router board that will now occasionally interrupt the clients web browsing by redirecting them to a page letting them know they are now 31+ past due and offer them the chance to pay now. If they chose to not pay now, they can just continue with what they were doing. This way they are always in the know that they are behind and are presented with a way to cure that immediately. Again since the client is not way behind I just want the surfing to be redirect occasionally. Next step would be after this is gone on and they hit 40 days the next script would be ran where it redirects all there web traffic indefinitely to the pay your bill page until paid. I hope that explains it better. Thanks, John - Original Message - From: Chuck Profito cprof...@cv-access.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 11:45:59 AM GMT -05:00 Columbia Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Redirect Why not just a redirect of all port 80 traffic on that ip at 60 days, to the 'Gracious Offer' page, If you call in the next seven days there will be no reup fees, please see your e-mail!, Or maybe just redirect them to a Web Mail Portal sign in page... then 7-14 days later it ALL gets turned off including cancellation fees, if any. Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC cprof...@cv-access.com Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eje
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Redirect
If it is BillMax, it is also easy. Don't know about others. Butch Evans wrote: On Wed, 2009-08-12 at 07:24 -0700, Chuck Profito wrote: It sounds like wisp nirvana! Do you mind me asking what billing system you are using, and are you trying to integrate the same? Can Butch Evans write a integration script for this? Some details would be needed to determine if I would be able to write a script. If it is FreeSide, it is not only possible, but fairly easy to accomplish. The same may be true for other billing systems, but I don't have much experience with other systems. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.52/2298 - Release Date: 08/12/09 06:09:00 -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Redirect
Don't mean to start a flame war...so please don't... This whole idea/feature is native with Powercode. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.netwrote: If it is BillMax, it is also easy. Don't know about others. Butch Evans wrote: On Wed, 2009-08-12 at 07:24 -0700, Chuck Profito wrote: It sounds like wisp nirvana! Do you mind me asking what billing system you are using, and are you trying to integrate the same? Can Butch Evans write a integration script for this? Some details would be needed to determine if I would be able to write a script. If it is FreeSide, it is not only possible, but fairly easy to accomplish. The same may be true for other billing systems, but I don't have much experience with other systems. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.52/2298 - Release Date: 08/12/09 06:09:00 -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Redirect
On Wed, 2009-08-12 at 14:27 -0400, Josh Luthman wrote: Don't mean to start a flame war...so please don't... This whole idea/feature is native with Powercode. Flame on, buddy! :-) You are correct. Flexibility such as we are discussing is part of many packages. The difference with PowerCode is that it is built in if you use a compatible BMU. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Badly need 2 Bullet5M's
If you didn't find them and still need they are now in stock. / Eje WISP-Router, Inc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 10:50 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Badly need 2 Bullet5M's I would have still badly needed them. : - ) Greg On Aug 8, 2009, at 11:15 AM, Travis Johnson wrote: You badly need two radios that aren't even on the market yet? What would you have done 30 days ago? Travis Microserv os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: I badly need two Bullet5M's. If anyone has two to sell or knows who has them to ship Monday please hit me off list. Thanks! Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Grant
Just an observation. Lots of companies are asking for letters of support from public safety agencies. As Chief of my Fire Department, I have gotten a number of requests in the past week. The really interesting ones are the ones that A. Show no benefit to public safety other than they say broadband will be more available and cheaper. b. Come from companies that are my normal vendors in my business, that are branching out. Now, instead of selling me product so I can make money, they are going to put up their own, so they can compete with me in the leasing world, while they also provide broadband. Hmmm Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Grant
My two cents is that BIP/BTOP is going to be great for vendors and terrible for WISPs. The vendors don't care who gets awarded the money as long as they sell gear. -Matt On Aug 12, 2009, at 3:39 PM, Blake Bowers wrote: Just an observation. Lots of companies are asking for letters of support from public safety agencies. As Chief of my Fire Department, I have gotten a number of requests in the past week. The really interesting ones are the ones that A. Show no benefit to public safety other than they say broadband will be more available and cheaper. b. Come from companies that are my normal vendors in my business, that are branching out. Now, instead of selling me product so I can make money, they are going to put up their own, so they can compete with me in the leasing world, while they also provide broadband. Hmmm Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Grant
Sadly this program is not about creating jobs or supporting the small business owner who make up most of the work force in America. Its about expanding broadband and those who pay the most to their lobbyist will likely win the grants. Since Verizon and Comcast pay their lobbyist 6 figure salary's doesn't take much to figure out who will get the lions share of the money. Hopefully some of the little guys will get some money, but I'm not holding my breath. Clearly vendors are the big winners here, but they have no concern about expanding broadband...they only want to sell their products whether used in the middle of a city or the middle of a corn field. Trying not to be cynical, but having dealt with enough government run programs in the past, I've clearly have become a realist when looking at any government run program! Matt Liotta wrote: My two cents is that BIP/BTOP is going to be great for vendors and terrible for WISPs. The vendors don't care who gets awarded the money as long as they sell gear. -Matt On Aug 12, 2009, at 3:39 PM, Blake Bowers wrote: Just an observation. Lots of companies are asking for letters of support from public safety agencies. As Chief of my Fire Department, I have gotten a number of requests in the past week. The really interesting ones are the ones that A. Show no benefit to public safety other than they say broadband will be more available and cheaper. b. Come from companies that are my normal vendors in my business, that are branching out. Now, instead of selling me product so I can make money, they are going to put up their own, so they can compete with me in the leasing world, while they also provide broadband. Hmmm Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Redirect
Someone on the list had a story about causing a panic when a screen with you didn't pay your bill was flashed to an early morning employee. I guess they thought the company was shutting down. Now the page just says: Please contact us. ryan On Aug 12, 2009, at 1:08 PM, Jason Wallace wrote: Could someone sue for this? In a pizza shop in a town I used to live by, there was a wall of shame where they posted all bounced checks for everyone to see with a little sign at the top that if your check bounced it would be posted there until you paid up. I would never do it, but it was a great incentive! Jason Jonathan Schmidt wrote: Yes, Mike, it isn't the same as sending a letter...even if the color of the envelope is indicative of some situation. Nevertheless, the legal rules are very strict...nobody but the addressee can open it. When you put something on every screen on every PC using a subscriber's account and reveal any financial matter, especially an embarrassing one, a hot head may, when enraged, do all sorts of things...especially if the mistake isn't theirs (which is a small but possible event). If you can get the account holder to sign into a Web site with their assigned USERNAME and PASSWORD...that's OK and you can exchange confidential information. If you can get them to call, that's OK (...can I have your name and last 4 digits of your SS#?). Creating a gated garden which allows an immediate click-to- restore but states that a situation exists that requires the account holder to call a phone number is OK since it doesn't slander the account holder (maybe mistakenly), can verify the account holder, and, if the message screen is only on port 80 and doesn't stop the VoIP phone from accessing 911, etc., there is no jeopardy. And, that screen can come more and more frequently...maybe every 5 minutes until they call. ...just a further thought. . . . j o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 11:27 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Redirect You're correct with the liability thing... it sucks that people sue over such petty things. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jonathan Schmidt jeschm...@jeschmidt.com Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 6:38 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Redirect There is some potential liability in this. You don't know if friends are visiting and using the computer...or, the subscriber has an Wi-Fi w/o WAP/WEP and others are (potentially accidentally) using it. In any case, you could be slandering the subscriber by calling them deadbeats to other people. It seems more polite to hit them over and over or persistantly with a demand that they contact a phone number to address a problem with their subscription. It also may stop a law suit...a typical response from a real deadbeat. Cutting off the service is an option but it may enrage the person to never do business with that company again. What you need to do is talk with them without slandering them. ...just a thought... . . . J o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of sa...@michianawireless.com Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 6:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Redirect Well. We kinda do this now. When a customer get to far out. We manually add a rule to the router at the tower site he is connected to that redirects all his port 80 traffic to a webpage that says basically, You didn't pay you bill for a long time and you need to contact us and make a payment to before your web surfing will be available again. Email still works, etc... We will still do that. But what I am trying to accomplish is to have my billing system log into the client as soon as is hits 31+ in the billing system and set a rule on the router board that will now occasionally interrupt the clients web browsing by redirecting them to a page letting them know they are now 31+ past due and offer them the chance to pay now. If they chose to not pay now, they can just continue with what they were doing. This way they are always in the know that they are behind and are presented with a way to cure that immediately. Again since the client is not way behind I just want the surfing to be redirect occasionally. Next step would be after this is gone on and they hit 40 days the next script would be ran where it redirects all there web traffic indefinitely to the pay your bill page until paid. I hope that explains it better. Thanks, John - Original Message
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Redirect
Assuming they hide the miker numbers and announce it would happen I like it and should be legal. On 8/12/09, Jason Wallace supp...@azii.net wrote: Could someone sue for this? In a pizza shop in a town I used to live by, there was a wall of shame where they posted all bounced checks for everyone to see with a little sign at the top that if your check bounced it would be posted there until you paid up. I would never do it, but it was a great incentive! Jason Jonathan Schmidt wrote: Yes, Mike, it isn't the same as sending a letter...even if the color of the envelope is indicative of some situation. Nevertheless, the legal rules are very strict...nobody but the addressee can open it. When you put something on every screen on every PC using a subscriber's account and reveal any financial matter, especially an embarrassing one, a hot head may, when enraged, do all sorts of things...especially if the mistake isn't theirs (which is a small but possible event). If you can get the account holder to sign into a Web site with their assigned USERNAME and PASSWORD...that's OK and you can exchange confidential information. If you can get them to call, that's OK (...can I have your name and last 4 digits of your SS#?). Creating a gated garden which allows an immediate click-to-restore but states that a situation exists that requires the account holder to call a phone number is OK since it doesn't slander the account holder (maybe mistakenly), can verify the account holder, and, if the message screen is only on port 80 and doesn't stop the VoIP phone from accessing 911, etc., there is no jeopardy. And, that screen can come more and more frequently...maybe every 5 minutes until they call. ...just a further thought. . . . j o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 11:27 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Redirect You're correct with the liability thing... it sucks that people sue over such petty things. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jonathan Schmidt jeschm...@jeschmidt.com Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 6:38 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Redirect There is some potential liability in this. You don't know if friends are visiting and using the computer...or, the subscriber has an Wi-Fi w/o WAP/WEP and others are (potentially accidentally) using it. In any case, you could be slandering the subscriber by calling them deadbeats to other people. It seems more polite to hit them over and over or persistantly with a demand that they contact a phone number to address a problem with their subscription. It also may stop a law suit...a typical response from a real deadbeat. Cutting off the service is an option but it may enrage the person to never do business with that company again. What you need to do is talk with them without slandering them. ...just a thought... . . . J o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of sa...@michianawireless.com Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 6:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Redirect Well. We kinda do this now. When a customer get to far out. We manually add a rule to the router at the tower site he is connected to that redirects all his port 80 traffic to a webpage that says basically, You didn't pay you bill for a long time and you need to contact us and make a payment to before your web surfing will be available again. Email still works, etc... We will still do that. But what I am trying to accomplish is to have my billing system log into the client as soon as is hits 31+ in the billing system and set a rule on the router board that will now occasionally interrupt the clients web browsing by redirecting them to a page letting them know they are now 31+ past due and offer them the chance to pay now. If they chose to not pay now, they can just continue with what they were doing. This way they are always in the know that they are behind and are presented with a way to cure that immediately. Again since the client is not way behind I just want the surfing to be redirect occasionally. Next step would be after this is gone on and they hit 40 days the next script would be ran where it redirects all there web traffic indefinitely to the pay your bill page until paid. I hope that explains it better. Thanks, John - Original Message - From: Chuck Profito cprof...@cv-access.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 11:45:59 AM GMT -05:00 Columbia Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Redirect Why not just a redirect of all port
Re: [WISPA] Grant
I disagree. Provisions were made in the grant to enable small providers to be eligible. The reason small carriers will not win many of these these grants is because we forgot to lobby for the most important point. That small providers need more than 30 days to prepare for a grant after the rules are published. Its very unlikely that small providers will have all the resources they need to back their applications with lots of meaningful fact. There just isn't time to develop it. The grant process exposes the weakness of small carriers, that they are stretched thin. I hope that WISPs that miss round 1, will continue there efforts to Round2. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Bret Clark To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 3:56 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Grant Sadly this program is not about creating jobs or supporting the small business owner who make up most of the work force in America. Its about expanding broadband and those who pay the most to their lobbyist will likely win the grants. Since Verizon and Comcast pay their lobbyist 6 figure salary's doesn't take much to figure out who will get the lions share of the money. Hopefully some of the little guys will get some money, but I'm not holding my breath. Clearly vendors are the big winners here, but they have no concern about expanding broadband...they only want to sell their products whether used in the middle of a city or the middle of a corn field. Trying not to be cynical, but having dealt with enough government run programs in the past, I've clearly have become a realist when looking at any government run program! Matt Liotta wrote: My two cents is that BIP/BTOP is going to be great for vendors and terrible for WISPs. The vendors don't care who gets awarded the money as long as they sell gear. -Matt On Aug 12, 2009, at 3:39 PM, Blake Bowers wrote: Just an observation. Lots of companies are asking for letters of support from public safety agencies. As Chief of my Fire Department, I have gotten a number of requests in the past week. The really interesting ones are the ones that A. Show no benefit to public safety other than they say broadband will be more available and cheaper. b. Come from companies that are my normal vendors in my business, that are branching out. Now, instead of selling me product so I can make money, they are going to put up their own, so they can compete with me in the leasing world, while they also provide broadband. Hmmm Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.560 / Virus Database: 270.12.26/2116 - Release Date: 5/15/2009 6:16 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
