Re: [WISPA] BulletM2 and NanostationM5 won't talk on ethernetwhen forced to 100Mbps full duplex
Yeah, in all of the configs they were the same on both interfaces, (both set to 100full, both set to 10full, etc). Kevin - Original Message - From: Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 9:05 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] BulletM2 and NanostationM5 won't talk on ethernetwhen forced to 100Mbps full duplex Cisco's are finiky Keep in mind that if you are going to force the Ubnt Radio to 100Full.. then you should be doing the same to the Cisco as well. Having said that, I will share a recent experience.. We have qty 3 runs of outdoor shielded cable run done within flexible conduit, inside a building between it's North Telco Room and the South Telco Room about a 100 ft length. On one of the cables going to a Linksys/Cisco POE Switch... and a NBM5... were getting CRC errors on any combination of duplex setting except when running 10meg full duplex. Redid the cable connectors a couple of times still no change... Replaced the cable with the spare run (1 of 3) cables... No More CRC Errors. Go Figure Moral of the story Strange things happen... rare but they do happen... Regards Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net On 6/5/2010 9:49 PM, Kevin Sullivan wrote: Actually, I've been running into a very similar issue. We have a customer who has a Nanobridge M5 plugged into a Cisco router. It mostly doesn't work with auto negotiation, (90+% packet loss), and it doesn't work at all on 100mbps full forced. It workes great at 10full forced on both ends, but obviously at lower speeds. We just hooked up a temp customer who also had a Cisco router, and had exactly the same deal, except they were into a Rocket M5. We wound up putting a switch between the Cisco and the Rocket to be able to talk at 100mbps. I'm starting to wonder if the forced 100full setting is broken. Kevin - Original Message - From: Robert Westrobert.w...@just-micro.com To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 5:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] BulletM2 and NanostationM5 won't talk on ethernetwhen forced to 100Mbps full duplex If need be, since you have low supply of connectors, if you have any bad patch cables, cut, cross the tx/rx and splice it just to test. Any true wire geek never throws bad patch away. :) Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 7:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] BulletM2 and NanostationM5 won't talk on ethernet when forced to 100Mbps full duplex I'm going to try that when I find one. I have one here somewhere but haven't found it yet. I could make one but I don't have many RJ45s and since I'm in the jungle I don't want to blow them on something that's not a necessity. I do believe if I had the cross over cable then I could force the speed and duplex if I wanted to. I was doing it more as a diagnostic tool (I don't have a cable tester). But it does seem like the problem I was having was just a loose connection as having reseated them seems to have fixed the problem. I've been running an extended ping session from one end of the network to the other (I'm up to over 2300 packets) and still not one lost. Greg On Jun 5, 2010, at 6:44 PM, RickG wrote: Did a crossover cable fix it? http://ubnt.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18882 On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 5:56 PM, Greg Ihnenos10ru...@gmail.com wrote: Actually no. Turns out that's the port that has nothing else but the POE injector connected. The search goes on. Greg On Jun 5, 2010, at 4:27 PM, Michael Baird wrote: Sounds like you found the issue. Regards Michael Baird I started using ethtool and backing up through the chain of gear back to the router. At one box I'm getting this. Instead of a speed it's saying Unknown!(0). and it's only negotiated half duplex. XM.v5.2# ethtool eth0_real Settings for eth0_real: Supported ports: [ TP MII ] Supported link modes: 10baseT/Half 10baseT/Full 100baseT/Half 100baseT/Full Supports auto-negotiation: Yes Advertised link modes: 10baseT/Half 10baseT/Full 100baseT/Half 100baseT/Full Advertised auto-negotiation: Yes Speed: Unknown! (0) Duplex: Half Port: MII PHYAD: 4 Transceiver: internal Auto-negotiation: on Current message level: 0x (0) Link detected: no On Jun 5, 2010, at 4:00 PM, Michael Baird wrote: Try ifconfig first, Ubiquiti doesn't call their interfaces eth0 and eth1, they call them eth0_real and eth1_real. Regards Michael Baird I read a bit about ethtool and then
Re: [WISPA] sprint 4g reviews?
On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 7:30 AM, Rubens Kuhl rube...@gmail.com wrote: I know they call it 4G, but it's not 4G. See http://www.wirelessweek.com/Archives/2007/10/WiMAX-is-3G/ Even LTE (when deployed) won't be 4G, only LTE Advanced will, but LTE will be much closer to 4G than WiMAX 802.16e, see http://www.radio-electronics.com/info/cellulartelecomms/4g/3gpp-imt-lte-advanced-tutorial.php. May be 802.16m can achieve 4G goals, if WiMAX still lives by then. LTE-advanced may approach ITU's 4G standards, as 802.16m (WiMAX 2) might also... Some call LTE 3.9G (or something weird) because it's way beyond 3G, but technically falls short of the ITU's official standards. The final goals of LTE-advanced, as I understand, will exceed 4G requirements. (But no telling when that will be, of course.) As for 802.16m (WIMAX 2), it will have its place, particularly in surveillance and grid networks. A lot of countries are auctioning off 2.3 and 2.5 GHz, and many companies are buying these frequencies with WiMAX solutions, but for the most part I've seen 90+% of carriers (e.g. ATT) betting big on LTE. There is some speculation that later this year, WiMAX 2 will be at a better (faster, etc) place than LTE at the same time. WiMAX supporters say that WiMAX is more open (and thus better in the long haul), but as we see in the Linux vs BSD arguments, open comes with a set of problems that more structured solutions don't always have (and vice versa). Others thoughts? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] sprint 4g reviews?
I knew the 4G coverage before I bought the phone. It's only 20 minutes to 4G land and I travel there frequently (5+ days a week). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 6/5/2010 6:57 PM, Robert West wrote: :( Sounds like a lot of my customers out in the sticks who fell for the 3g pitch. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 11:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] sprint 4g reviews? Today, I have it in my hands, but I'm not under 4G coverage. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 6/4/2010 9:53 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote: Yes it is, Sprint owns Clear and they are releasing a phone (HTC 4G) some time soon. The times I used it, it was not very good at all. High ping, low bandwidth, but these were all the 'pro' install cabled to a indoor AP. On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Isn't it Clear's wimax service? On 6/4/10, Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisorevdo.hs...@gmail.com wrote: hi guys... it's been a while! So since the whole 3g thing went mega corporate and independents like me got pushed out, i havent paid much attention to the wireless space ... but has anyone here used sprint's 4g network? -- Robert Q Kim 2611 S Coast Highway San Diego, CA 92007 310 598 1606 http://disastearth.com Natural and Man Made Disasters http://bioprin.posterous.com Health Myths You Still Believe WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Leasing Companies
Charles, yeah, thats the problem In these loans, the product being bought is a large part of the colladeral securing the loan. Banks dont have a problem using land, and Physical infrastrucure like buildings or towers purchased as colladeral. I'm guessing they are not likely to approve a transaction that was primarilly wireless gear, because the pruchased product would not be looked at as safe colladeral. (unless borrower was heavilly coladeralized). If the loan was granted, then the borrower would have a high dollar liabilty on their personal report, possibly making it harder to obtain future fnancing for things like operating capitol. I'm finding there are tons of programs for everything except what we actually need. AKA a small loan for wireless gear, without overly burdening the borrower with large debt, that can be expanded on every 3-5 months or so as borrower learns what they need that specific time period. I hate having to forcast what gear I might need one year in advance, half of it could end up just sitting on the shelf, or making it harder to save the cash for the product you end up needing.. Unfortuntately, basic Fixed Rate Line of Credits are the hardest type of financing to get. :-( However, for your intended use, as you explained it, what a wonderful program! I can see how it could benefit many Rural WISPs, if they took advantage of it.. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 8:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Leasing Companies I'm using this money to buy hard assets -- e.g., land/tower/infrastructure - there are some radios / routers / backhauls in it, but that's probably less than 20% of the total amount These also ARE NOT working capital loans, and I doubt it would cover a spectrum lease The way it works is your bank puts in 50%, the CDC (via the SBA) puts in 40%, and you put in 10% The bank takes the first lien and the SBA takes a subordinate position Say you take a loan for $100k You'll put down $10k, the bank puts up $50k and the SBA puts up the remaining $40k In the event of default, the bank liquidates your assets...as long as the assets can be liquidated for at least $50k, the bank is whole We're using this money mostly for towers to reduce operating expenses (e.g., where I might pay $1,000 / month for tower rent, I now go spend $80k to go buy something...my monthly payment on that over a 10 year amortization comes out to about $750 / month, so I'm actually $250 / month ahead and now I can put whatever I want on it =) Then, sometimes you strike gold and get an unexpected call from US Cellular who's willing to pay $1-2k / month to put their stuff on your tower =) -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 4:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Leasing Companies Charles, Thanks for the Info/Link. In 2009, SBA had a great program based on a ARRA program, for a basic small business loan for any purpose. They were increasing the SBA guarantee to 90% of loan value (instead of I think it used to be 80% or less). That made it way easy to obtain a bank loan, with only 10% down, because it was 100% risk-free for the bank. But lke any government program lots of paperwork was required. Unforunteately, I did not learn about it until last few weeks of December 2009, and I was not able to compelte all teh requirements in time to submit an application. In 2010, that program expired. :-( The CDC program link you attached, inferred it could be 100% guaranteed by SBA. Wow. But trying to find the catch, of what would disqualify someone? For example. The CDC/504 loan program is a long-term financing tool for economic development within a community. So what qualifies as Economic development? Does this mean that a plan need to be pre defined for loan proceeds to apply to equipment to be used only in the one specific Area/Community, that meets an specific economic profile? For example, If I cover 10 cities, that are of average national economic middle class or higher, and just need money to expand where ever orders may come in, would that be disqualified from this type loan program? The 504 Program provides small businesses requiring brick and mortar financing with long-term, fixed-rate financing to acquire major fixed assets for expansion So it would cover Radios, but not Spectrum leases? A Certified Development Company (CDC) is a private, nonprofit corporation set up to contribute to the economic development of its community. CDCs work with SBA and private sector lenders to provide financing to small businesses The maximum SBA debenture is $2.0 million when
Re: [WISPA] FCC Seeks Volunteers to Test Broadband Speed
Well DUH! Of course! Like the time I had a customer a few years ago hand me 10 10% off coupons. It's free then, right? *Limit one coupon per address We had to point that little item out. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 8:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Seeks Volunteers to Test Broadband Speed And if it's ever down someone is there in 15 minutes. Up and running in 5. And can apply unlimited coupons from the paper 4 years ago. On 6/5/10, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: What???! I can't get MY DEDICATED T1 for 50 bucks?! I'm outraged and totally ripped off! B-b -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 10:59 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Seeks Volunteers to Test Broadband Speed I think the FCC just wants to get people in a frenzy thinking they're getting ripped off so they'll support them more. Now people are going to whine because they dont get what they pay for. Too bad most arent educated enough to know the difference between on net and off net and shared bandwidth versus dedicated bandwidth. They think they get a T1 for $50/month! On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 5:13 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Interesting. Ya know, around here Time Warner directs everyone with a speed issue to test on their nice and conveniently linked on their webpage, speed test server. You can bet it will show your full contracted speeds every time. But... Try hitting something outside of their network. With that logic I could advertise 100mbps speeds Within Network Anyhow, found it funny that the FCC has to get people to do actual speed checks for them. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marco Coelho Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 4:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] FCC Seeks Volunteers to Test Broadband Speed http://news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/20100602/tc_pcworld/fccseeksvolunteer s totest broadbandspeed;_ylt=Arhu..hHz12SV_hi0p6UUMD6VbIF;_ylu=X3oDMTNpdjc4NTh z BGFzc2 V0A3Bjd29ybGQvMjAxMDA2MDIvZmNjc2Vla3N2b2x1bnRlZXJzdG90ZXN0YnJvYWRiYW5 k c3BlZW QEcG9zAzExBHNlYwN5bl9wYWdpbmF0ZV9zdW1tYXJ5X2xpc3QEc2xrA2ZjY3NlZWtzdm9 s dQ-- -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 - - -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - - -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - - -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - - -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Leasing Companies
It is often tough for a local bank to make a loan for towers, at least one that values it correctly. Bankers for the most part do not understand the industry. Now, if someone has a contract where a cell company is leasing space, that can be converted to cash quickly. (Like JG Wentworth says, Its your money, and you want it now!) Leases can be sold on terms to work with your operation. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Leasing Companies Charles, yeah, thats the problem In these loans, the product being bought is a large part of the colladeral securing the loan. Banks dont have a problem using land, and Physical infrastrucure like buildings or towers purchased as colladeral. I'm guessing they are not likely to approve a transaction that was primarilly wireless gear, because the pruchased product would not be looked at as safe colladeral. (unless borrower was heavilly coladeralized). If the loan was granted, then the borrower would have a high dollar liabilty on their personal report, possibly making it harder to obtain future fnancing for things like operating capitol. I'm finding there are tons of programs for everything except what we actually need. AKA a small loan for wireless gear, without overly burdening the borrower with large debt, that can be expanded on every 3-5 months or so as borrower learns what they need that specific time period. I hate having to forcast what gear I might need one year in advance, half of it could end up just sitting on the shelf, or making it harder to save the cash for the product you end up needing.. Unfortuntately, basic Fixed Rate Line of Credits are the hardest type of financing to get. :-( However, for your intended use, as you explained it, what a wonderful program! I can see how it could benefit many Rural WISPs, if they took advantage of it.. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 8:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Leasing Companies I'm using this money to buy hard assets -- e.g., land/tower/infrastructure - there are some radios / routers / backhauls in it, but that's probably less than 20% of the total amount These also ARE NOT working capital loans, and I doubt it would cover a spectrum lease The way it works is your bank puts in 50%, the CDC (via the SBA) puts in 40%, and you put in 10% The bank takes the first lien and the SBA takes a subordinate position Say you take a loan for $100k You'll put down $10k, the bank puts up $50k and the SBA puts up the remaining $40k In the event of default, the bank liquidates your assets...as long as the assets can be liquidated for at least $50k, the bank is whole We're using this money mostly for towers to reduce operating expenses (e.g., where I might pay $1,000 / month for tower rent, I now go spend $80k to go buy something...my monthly payment on that over a 10 year amortization comes out to about $750 / month, so I'm actually $250 / month ahead and now I can put whatever I want on it =) Then, sometimes you strike gold and get an unexpected call from US Cellular who's willing to pay $1-2k / month to put their stuff on your tower =) -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 4:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Leasing Companies Charles, Thanks for the Info/Link. In 2009, SBA had a great program based on a ARRA program, for a basic small business loan for any purpose. They were increasing the SBA guarantee to 90% of loan value (instead of I think it used to be 80% or less). That made it way easy to obtain a bank loan, with only 10% down, because it was 100% risk-free for the bank. But lke any government program lots of paperwork was required. Unforunteately, I did not learn about it until last few weeks of December 2009, and I was not able to compelte all teh requirements in time to submit an application. In 2010, that program expired. :-( The CDC program link you attached, inferred it could be 100% guaranteed by SBA. Wow. But trying to find the catch, of what would disqualify someone? For example. The CDC/504 loan program is a long-term financing tool for economic development within a community. So what qualifies as Economic development? Does this mean that a plan need to be pre defined for loan proceeds to apply to equipment to be used only in the one specific Area/Community, that meets an specific economic profile? For
Re: [WISPA] Leasing Companies
That all boils down to your relationship with your banker...the entire business of lending is built on relationships and trust If the first time you're talking to your banker is when you need a loan for $500k, chances are is that he's going to take the most conservative approach possible when evaluating your loan On the other hand, if you've kept a relationship with your banker for the past 5 years, and have discussed solutions with him over the years, let him in on decisions you've made with your business, let him see your business and the cash in your checking account grow over the years - and THEN you go ask him for the $500k loan, you'd be surprised at what you can get. I know of ISPs that have gotten large conventional loans ($100k+) for wireless gear only -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 10:12 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Leasing Companies Charles, yeah, thats the problem In these loans, the product being bought is a large part of the colladeral securing the loan. Banks dont have a problem using land, and Physical infrastrucure like buildings or towers purchased as colladeral. I'm guessing they are not likely to approve a transaction that was primarilly wireless gear, because the pruchased product would not be looked at as safe colladeral. (unless borrower was heavilly coladeralized). If the loan was granted, then the borrower would have a high dollar liabilty on their personal report, possibly making it harder to obtain future fnancing for things like operating capitol. I'm finding there are tons of programs for everything except what we actually need. AKA a small loan for wireless gear, without overly burdening the borrower with large debt, that can be expanded on every 3-5 months or so as borrower learns what they need that specific time period. I hate having to forcast what gear I might need one year in advance, half of it could end up just sitting on the shelf, or making it harder to save the cash for the product you end up needing.. Unfortuntately, basic Fixed Rate Line of Credits are the hardest type of financing to get. :-( However, for your intended use, as you explained it, what a wonderful program! I can see how it could benefit many Rural WISPs, if they took advantage of it.. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 8:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Leasing Companies I'm using this money to buy hard assets -- e.g., land/tower/infrastructure - there are some radios / routers / backhauls in it, but that's probably less than 20% of the total amount These also ARE NOT working capital loans, and I doubt it would cover a spectrum lease The way it works is your bank puts in 50%, the CDC (via the SBA) puts in 40%, and you put in 10% The bank takes the first lien and the SBA takes a subordinate position Say you take a loan for $100k You'll put down $10k, the bank puts up $50k and the SBA puts up the remaining $40k In the event of default, the bank liquidates your assets...as long as the assets can be liquidated for at least $50k, the bank is whole We're using this money mostly for towers to reduce operating expenses (e.g., where I might pay $1,000 / month for tower rent, I now go spend $80k to go buy something...my monthly payment on that over a 10 year amortization comes out to about $750 / month, so I'm actually $250 / month ahead and now I can put whatever I want on it =) Then, sometimes you strike gold and get an unexpected call from US Cellular who's willing to pay $1-2k / month to put their stuff on your tower =) -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 4:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Leasing Companies Charles, Thanks for the Info/Link. In 2009, SBA had a great program based on a ARRA program, for a basic small business loan for any purpose. They were increasing the SBA guarantee to 90% of loan value (instead of I think it used to be 80% or less). That made it way easy to obtain a bank loan, with only 10% down, because it was 100% risk-free for the bank. But lke any government program lots of paperwork was required. Unforunteately, I did not learn about it until last few weeks of December 2009, and I was not able to compelte all teh requirements in time to submit an application. In 2010, that program expired. :-( The CDC program link you attached, inferred it could be 100% guaranteed by SBA. Wow. But trying to find the catch, of what would disqualify someone? For example. The CDC/504 loan program is a long-term
Re: [WISPA] Leasing Companies
the entire business of lending is built on relationships and trust If the first time you're talking to your banker is when you need a loan for $500k, chances are is that he's going to take the most conservative approach possible when evaluating your loan Sounds like good advise. And it kind of reinforces what I was trying to say about leases. When blindly going to apply for a lease, there is no relationship or trust, so they evaluate conservatively, via the cookie cutter mold.. They might even be planning on selling the lease on the secondary market, and its more about documentation. But if you go to your own local bank, they know you and your history. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 2:13 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Leasing Companies That all boils down to your relationship with your banker...the entire business of lending is built on relationships and trust If the first time you're talking to your banker is when you need a loan for $500k, chances are is that he's going to take the most conservative approach possible when evaluating your loan On the other hand, if you've kept a relationship with your banker for the past 5 years, and have discussed solutions with him over the years, let him in on decisions you've made with your business, let him see your business and the cash in your checking account grow over the years - and THEN you go ask him for the $500k loan, you'd be surprised at what you can get. I know of ISPs that have gotten large conventional loans ($100k+) for wireless gear only -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 10:12 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Leasing Companies Charles, yeah, thats the problem In these loans, the product being bought is a large part of the colladeral securing the loan. Banks dont have a problem using land, and Physical infrastrucure like buildings or towers purchased as colladeral. I'm guessing they are not likely to approve a transaction that was primarilly wireless gear, because the pruchased product would not be looked at as safe colladeral. (unless borrower was heavilly coladeralized). If the loan was granted, then the borrower would have a high dollar liabilty on their personal report, possibly making it harder to obtain future fnancing for things like operating capitol. I'm finding there are tons of programs for everything except what we actually need. AKA a small loan for wireless gear, without overly burdening the borrower with large debt, that can be expanded on every 3-5 months or so as borrower learns what they need that specific time period. I hate having to forcast what gear I might need one year in advance, half of it could end up just sitting on the shelf, or making it harder to save the cash for the product you end up needing.. Unfortuntately, basic Fixed Rate Line of Credits are the hardest type of financing to get. :-( However, for your intended use, as you explained it, what a wonderful program! I can see how it could benefit many Rural WISPs, if they took advantage of it.. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 8:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Leasing Companies I'm using this money to buy hard assets -- e.g., land/tower/infrastructure - there are some radios / routers / backhauls in it, but that's probably less than 20% of the total amount These also ARE NOT working capital loans, and I doubt it would cover a spectrum lease The way it works is your bank puts in 50%, the CDC (via the SBA) puts in 40%, and you put in 10% The bank takes the first lien and the SBA takes a subordinate position Say you take a loan for $100k You'll put down $10k, the bank puts up $50k and the SBA puts up the remaining $40k In the event of default, the bank liquidates your assets...as long as the assets can be liquidated for at least $50k, the bank is whole We're using this money mostly for towers to reduce operating expenses (e.g., where I might pay $1,000 / month for tower rent, I now go spend $80k to go buy something...my monthly payment on that over a 10 year amortization comes out to about $750 / month, so I'm actually $250 / month ahead and now I can put whatever I want on it =) Then, sometimes you strike gold and get an unexpected call from US Cellular who's willing to pay $1-2k / month to put their stuff on your tower =) -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Re: [WISPA] Availability Monitoring
Thank you for all of your answers. I will look into these things. On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 7:32 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.comwrote: prtg will do reporting down to a specific interface on a specific device and automatically send a pretty report on whatever interval you want with graphs and availability stats ~Sent mobile~ On Jun 3, 2010, at 3:19 PM, Mark Nash - Lists markl...@uwol.net wrote: Nagios / The Dude... - Original Message - From: D. Ryan Spott rsp...@irongoat.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Availability Monitoring I do this for my network and my competitors. :) Nice to compare apples to rotten apples. ryan On Jun 3, 2010, at 3:10 PM, Nick Huanca n...@greataukwireless.com wrote: Hi all, I wanted to see if anyone has any ideas on Availability Monitoring of core devices and APs. Is anyone out there performing availability reports using Nagios or anything similar? For example, if something is down for 1 hour, depending on it's placement in the network, it would bring the availability of that section of the network down to around 99.990% for the year (99.990% = 52.6 minutes per year). The issue is that Nagios dilutes the results of overall network availability by including all the 100% figures that were not included in the outage. Is anyone organizing their reports in a different fashion that more accurately portray availability of a network? I understand this is quite a loaded question not knowing the topology or any of the configurations of our Nagios implementation. Thanks in advance! -- Nick Huanca --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Nick Huanca WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
