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Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

2010-07-19 Thread Phil Curnutt

You must still have knees left.

Phil

On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 9:48 PM, Blair Davis  wrote:

>  I love poles!  With a belt and spikes they are no trouble to climb...
>
>
> Blake Bowers wrote:
>
> Is that for a set, or a pole and a set?
>
> Pole and a set, that is a steal!
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> Don't take your organs to heaven,
> heaven knows we need them down here!
> Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.
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> - Original Message -
> From: "Mike"  
> To: "'WISPA General List'"  
> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 5:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
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>  No, but I have friends/customers with really big bucket trucks.  They are
> tree guys.  Also, the local electric utility usually sets my poles.  I
> have
> customers there too.  The company charged me $250.00 for a 65 footer a few
> months back.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
> ] On
> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 5:36 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
>
>  Must not have any lineman friends.  ;-)
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutionshttp://www.ics-il.com
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>
> On 7/19/2010 4:53 PM, Mike wrote:
>
>
>  Fred:
>
> I have some "poles" on my network.  They are hard to climb and service
>
>
>  would
>
>
>  be the only caveats I'd share.  Consider windmills.  The ones they sell
> to
> keep ponds aerated are aesthetically pleasing and not too expensive.
>
> Friendly Regards,
>
> Mike
>
> Mike Gilchrist
> Disruptive Technologist
> Advanced Wireless Express
> P.O. Box 255
> Toledo, IA   52342
> 239.770.6203m...@aweiowa.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
> ] On
> Behalf Of Fred R. Goldstein
> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 3:24 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
>
> A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not
> farmland.  It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to
> cover the planned turf.  Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in
> the loose sense) and access antennas.  The obvious place to put these
> is atop utility poles.  I think the local electric cooperative will
> cooperate and let us rent pole space.  We may however need to put
> additional poles in some places.  They seem cheaper than metal towers
> and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows.
>
> Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of
> arrangement?  We're in the budgeting stage now.  I have an idea what
> the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal.  The
> big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber
> installs, not WISP-style radios.  So we may also want to bring in
> someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or
> setup with us too.  Thanks.
>
>--
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>+1 617 795 2701
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Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

2010-07-19 Thread Blair Davis





I love poles!  With a belt and spikes they are no trouble to climb...

Blake Bowers wrote:

  Is that for a set, or a pole and a set?

Pole and a set, that is a steal!


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- Original Message - 
From: "Mike" 
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations


  
  
No, but I have friends/customers with really big bucket trucks.  They are
tree guys.  Also, the local electric utility usually sets my poles.  I 
have
customers there too.  The company charged me $250.00 for a 65 footer a few
months back.

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 5:36 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

 Must not have any lineman friends.  ;-)

-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



On 7/19/2010 4:53 PM, Mike wrote:


  Fred:

I have some "poles" on my network.  They are hard to climb and service
  

would


  be the only caveats I'd share.  Consider windmills.  The ones they sell 
to
keep ponds aerated are aesthetically pleasing and not too expensive.

Friendly Regards,

Mike

Mike Gilchrist
Disruptive Technologist
Advanced Wireless Express
P.O. Box 255
Toledo, IA   52342
239.770.6203
m...@aweiowa.com


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Fred R. Goldstein
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 3:24 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not
farmland.  It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to
cover the planned turf.  Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in
the loose sense) and access antennas.  The obvious place to put these
is atop utility poles.  I think the local electric cooperative will
cooperate and let us rent pole space.  We may however need to put
additional poles in some places.  They seem cheaper than metal towers
and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows.

Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of
arrangement?  We're in the budgeting stage now.  I have an idea what
the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal.  The
big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber
installs, not WISP-style radios.  So we may also want to bring in
someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or
setup with us too.  Thanks.

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   ionary Consulting  http://www.ionary.com/
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Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

2010-07-19 Thread Blake Bowers

Is that for a set, or a pole and a set?

Pole and a set, that is a steal!


Don't take your organs to heaven,
heaven knows we need them down here!
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- Original Message - 
From: "Mike" 
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations


> No, but I have friends/customers with really big bucket trucks.  They are
> tree guys.  Also, the local electric utility usually sets my poles.  I 
> have
> customers there too.  The company charged me $250.00 for a 65 footer a few
> months back.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 5:36 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
>
>  Must not have any lineman friends.  ;-)
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
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> On 7/19/2010 4:53 PM, Mike wrote:
>> Fred:
>>
>> I have some "poles" on my network.  They are hard to climb and service
> would
>> be the only caveats I'd share.  Consider windmills.  The ones they sell 
>> to
>> keep ponds aerated are aesthetically pleasing and not too expensive.
>>
>> Friendly Regards,
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Mike Gilchrist
>> Disruptive Technologist
>> Advanced Wireless Express
>> P.O. Box 255
>> Toledo, IA   52342
>> 239.770.6203
>> m...@aweiowa.com
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Fred R. Goldstein
>> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 3:24 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
>>
>> A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not
>> farmland.  It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to
>> cover the planned turf.  Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in
>> the loose sense) and access antennas.  The obvious place to put these
>> is atop utility poles.  I think the local electric cooperative will
>> cooperate and let us rent pole space.  We may however need to put
>> additional poles in some places.  They seem cheaper than metal towers
>> and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows.
>>
>> Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of
>> arrangement?  We're in the budgeting stage now.  I have an idea what
>> the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal.  The
>> big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber
>> installs, not WISP-style radios.  So we may also want to bring in
>> someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or
>> setup with us too.  Thanks.
>>
>>--
>>Fred Goldsteink1io   fgoldstein "at" ionary.com
>>ionary Consulting  http://www.ionary.com/
>>+1 617 795 2701
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[WISPA] What if you can't get a T3?

2010-07-19 Thread Roger Howard

Quick alert to those who are not aware... back when I was running my
business on T1 lines, I just assumed that when I was ready, I could
order a T3 and upgrade my bandwidth. Not so.

Just because you can get a T1 doesn't mean you can get a T3 without
huge buildout costs. I was quoted $400,000 dollars to upgrade to a T3.
I managed to get around it because otherwise AT&T would have had to
install a high count copper line down my road to be able to keep
offering POTS service here, so I got lucky, and had a free install.
But you may not be that fortunate.

I just thought if I posted this, it might give some people a heads up
to start planning for more bandwidth when you're coming close to
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Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

2010-07-19 Thread Jason Bailey

--- On Mon, 7/19/10, Phil Curnutt  wrote:

From: Phil Curnutt 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
To: "WISPA General List" 
Date: Monday, July 19, 2010, 11:19 PM

The anchor kit is L-bolts into concrete filled holes.  The 17.5' tower weights 
60 pounds plus mast (20lbs for the alum) and antennas.  Four three foot holes, 
six inches in diameter hold two 80 lb bags of concrete; that's 620 lbs holding 
it down.  Of course three foot holes here in New Mexico are a chore, so a 
tractor with a 4" auger into a hole prepped with a power washer is a necessity, 
but you guys out there with that deep top soil shouldn't have to much of a 
problem.

Phil

On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 8:28 PM, Josh Luthman  
wrote:

I would love to see that around here...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 10:27 PM, Blair Davis  wrote:

wish I could find prices like that... A 50ft is $600 installed around here

Mike wrote: 
No, but I have friends/customers with really big bucket trucks.  They are
tree guys.  Also, the local electric utility usually sets my poles.  I have
customers there too.  The company charged me $250.00 for a 65 footer a few
months back. 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 5:36 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

  Must not have any lineman friends.  ;-)

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

On 7/19/2010 4:53 PM, Mike wrote:

Fred:

I have some "poles" on my network.  They are hard to climb and service
would

be the only caveats I'd share.  Consider windmills.  The ones they sell to
keep ponds aerated are aesthetically pleasing and not too expensive.

Friendly Regards,

Mike

Mike Gilchrist
Disruptive Technologist
Advanced Wireless Express
P.O. Box 255
Toledo, IA   52342
239.770.6203
m...@aweiowa.com

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Fred R. Goldstein
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 3:24 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not
farmland.  It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to
cover the planned turf.  Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in
the loose sense) and access antennas.  The obvious place to put these
is atop utility poles.  I think the local electric cooperative will
cooperate and let us rent pole space.  We may however need to put
additional poles in some places.  They seem cheaper than metal towers
and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows.

Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of
arrangement?  We're in the budgeting stage now.  I have an idea what
the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal.  The
big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber
installs, not WISP-style radios.  So we may also want to bring in
someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or
setup with us too.  Thanks.

   --
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   ionary Consulting  http://www.ionary.com/
   +1 617 795 2701

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Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

2010-07-19 Thread Phil Curnutt

The anchor kit is L-bolts into concrete filled holes.  The 17.5' tower
weights 60 pounds plus mast (20lbs for the alum) and antennas.  Four three
foot holes, six inches in diameter hold two 80 lb bags of concrete; that's
620 lbs holding it down.  Of course three foot holes here in New Mexico are
a chore, so a tractor with a 4" auger into a hole prepped with a power
washer is a necessity, but you guys out there with that deep top soil
shouldn't have to much of a problem.

Phil

On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 8:28 PM, Josh Luthman
wrote:

> I would love to see that around here...
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 10:27 PM, Blair Davis  wrote:
>
>>  wish I could find prices like that... A 50ft is $600 installed around
>> here
>>
>>
>> Mike wrote:
>>
>> No, but I have friends/customers with really big bucket trucks.  They are
>> tree guys.  Also, the local electric utility usually sets my poles.  I have
>> customers there too.  The company charged me $250.00 for a 65 footer a few
>> months back.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
>> ] On
>> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
>> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 5:36 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
>>
>>   Must not have any lineman friends.  ;-)
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutionshttp://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/19/2010 4:53 PM, Mike wrote:
>>
>>
>>  Fred:
>>
>> I have some "poles" on my network.  They are hard to climb and service
>>
>>
>>  would
>>
>>
>>  be the only caveats I'd share.  Consider windmills.  The ones they sell to
>> keep ponds aerated are aesthetically pleasing and not too expensive.
>>
>> Friendly Regards,
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Mike Gilchrist
>> Disruptive Technologist
>> Advanced Wireless Express
>> P.O. Box 255
>> Toledo, IA   52342
>> 239.770.6203m...@aweiowa.com
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
>> ] On
>> Behalf Of Fred R. Goldstein
>> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 3:24 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
>>
>> A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not
>> farmland.  It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to
>> cover the planned turf.  Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in
>> the loose sense) and access antennas.  The obvious place to put these
>> is atop utility poles.  I think the local electric cooperative will
>> cooperate and let us rent pole space.  We may however need to put
>> additional poles in some places.  They seem cheaper than metal towers
>> and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows.
>>
>> Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of
>> arrangement?  We're in the budgeting stage now.  I have an idea what
>> the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal.  The
>> big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber
>> installs, not WISP-style radios.  So we may also want to bring in
>> someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or
>> setup with us too.  Thanks.
>>
>>--
>>Fred Goldsteink1io   fgoldstein "at" ionary.com
>>ionary Consulting  http://www.ionary.com/
>>+1 617 795 2701
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Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

2010-07-19 Thread Josh Luthman

I would love to see that around here...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 10:27 PM, Blair Davis  wrote:

>  wish I could find prices like that... A 50ft is $600 installed around
> here
>
>
> Mike wrote:
>
> No, but I have friends/customers with really big bucket trucks.  They are
> tree guys.  Also, the local electric utility usually sets my poles.  I have
> customers there too.  The company charged me $250.00 for a 65 footer a few
> months back.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
> ] On
> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 5:36 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
>
>   Must not have any lineman friends.  ;-)
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutionshttp://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
> On 7/19/2010 4:53 PM, Mike wrote:
>
>
>  Fred:
>
> I have some "poles" on my network.  They are hard to climb and service
>
>
>  would
>
>
>  be the only caveats I'd share.  Consider windmills.  The ones they sell to
> keep ponds aerated are aesthetically pleasing and not too expensive.
>
> Friendly Regards,
>
> Mike
>
> Mike Gilchrist
> Disruptive Technologist
> Advanced Wireless Express
> P.O. Box 255
> Toledo, IA   52342
> 239.770.6203m...@aweiowa.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
> ] On
> Behalf Of Fred R. Goldstein
> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 3:24 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
>
> A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not
> farmland.  It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to
> cover the planned turf.  Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in
> the loose sense) and access antennas.  The obvious place to put these
> is atop utility poles.  I think the local electric cooperative will
> cooperate and let us rent pole space.  We may however need to put
> additional poles in some places.  They seem cheaper than metal towers
> and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows.
>
> Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of
> arrangement?  We're in the budgeting stage now.  I have an idea what
> the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal.  The
> big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber
> installs, not WISP-style radios.  So we may also want to bring in
> someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or
> setup with us too.  Thanks.
>
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Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

2010-07-19 Thread Blair Davis





wish I could find prices like that... A 50ft is $600 installed around
here

Mike wrote:

  No, but I have friends/customers with really big bucket trucks.  They are
tree guys.  Also, the local electric utility usually sets my poles.  I have
customers there too.  The company charged me $250.00 for a 65 footer a few
months back. 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 5:36 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

  Must not have any lineman friends.  ;-)

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On 7/19/2010 4:53 PM, Mike wrote:
  
  
Fred:

I have some "poles" on my network.  They are hard to climb and service

  
  would
  
  
be the only caveats I'd share.  Consider windmills.  The ones they sell to
keep ponds aerated are aesthetically pleasing and not too expensive.

Friendly Regards,

Mike

Mike Gilchrist
Disruptive Technologist
Advanced Wireless Express
P.O. Box 255
Toledo, IA   52342
239.770.6203
m...@aweiowa.com


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Fred R. Goldstein
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 3:24 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not
farmland.  It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to
cover the planned turf.  Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in
the loose sense) and access antennas.  The obvious place to put these
is atop utility poles.  I think the local electric cooperative will
cooperate and let us rent pole space.  We may however need to put
additional poles in some places.  They seem cheaper than metal towers
and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows.

Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of
arrangement?  We're in the budgeting stage now.  I have an idea what
the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal.  The
big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber
installs, not WISP-style radios.  So we may also want to bring in
someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or
setup with us too.  Thanks.

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Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

2010-07-19 Thread Fred Goldstein

This is useful advice.  Thanks a lot!

We're no doubt going to have to build it up a few nodes at a time, 
starting at the injection point and building towards the most 
unserved area, a few hops away.  I'm not sure if I want to touch 2.4, 
since it can be so noisy, or just use 900 and 5.8, but in the really 
remote places, 2.4 might be a good choice, with less foliage fade than 5.8.

I wonder how well 802.11n will deal with multipath.  We will have 
multipath...  probably no way around it when there are steep hills 
right behind you.

We'll need hire some good local feet on the ground.

At 7/19/2010 07:29 PM, MarlonS wrote:
>I'd run 5 gig for the backhaul (ptmp) and 2.4 for distribution.
>
>Be VERY careful with distances and power levels you expect to be able to run
>though.  The power lines will cause a LOT of multipath.
>
>I'd put in 2x the ap's you think you'll need and run EVERYTHING at VERY low
>power levels.
>
>OR swap out key poles.  Go from 40' normal poles to 60 or 80' ones, then put
>your gear above the power lines, by a long ways.  Still build slow till you
>know what effect the power lines are going to have on your signal.  It's bad
>enough to just shoot across them, but shooting in line with them will likely
>be a royal PITA.
>
>Oh yeah, remember that multipath and self inflicted interference will often
>NOT show up with just a couple of test systems online.  It takes lots of
>customers to really make things fail.  And by then you have convinced
>yourself that the design is proper because it's worked "just fine" all this
>time.  When all along it's NOT worked well, it's just fast enough and good
>enough that no one noticed how much trouble it was having getting data
>through.
>
>Have fun!  Let us know what you land on for a good working design!
>marlon
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>- Original Message -
>From: "Fred R. Goldstein" 
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>Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 1:23 PM
>Subject: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
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> >A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not
> > farmland.  It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to
> > cover the planned turf.  Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in
> > the loose sense) and access antennas.  The obvious place to put these
> > is atop utility poles.  I think the local electric cooperative will
> > cooperate and let us rent pole space.  We may however need to put
> > additional poles in some places.  They seem cheaper than metal towers
> > and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows.
> >
> > Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of
> > arrangement?  We're in the budgeting stage now.  I have an idea what
> > the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal.  The
> > big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber
> > installs, not WISP-style radios.  So we may also want to bring in
> > someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or
> > setup with us too.  Thanks.
> >
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Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

2010-07-19 Thread Fred Goldstein

At 7/19/2010 06:42 PM, Mike wrote wrote:
>No, but I have friends/customers with really big bucket trucks.  They are
>tree guys.  Also, the local electric utility usually sets my poles.  I have
>customers there too.  The company charged me $250.00 for a 65 footer a few
>months back.

That's a really good price.  I don't think I've seen anything more 
than a 50 footer around here.  That's plenty for normal things.  But 
a 65 foot pole is a nice stealth tower!

>-Original Message-
>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>Behalf Of Mike Hammett
>Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 5:36 PM
>To: WISPA General List
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
>
>   Must not have any lineman friends.  ;-)
>
>-
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>On 7/19/2010 4:53 PM, Mike wrote:
> > Fred:
> >
> > I have some "poles" on my network.  They are hard to climb and service
>would
> > be the only caveats I'd share.  Consider windmills.  The ones they sell to
> > keep ponds aerated are aesthetically pleasing and not too expensive.
> >
> > Friendly Regards,
> >
> > Mike
> >
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> > Disruptive Technologist
> > Advanced Wireless Express
> > P.O. Box 255
> > Toledo, IA   52342
> > 239.770.6203
> > m...@aweiowa.com
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> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> > Behalf Of Fred R. Goldstein
> > Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 3:24 PM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
> >
> > A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not
> > farmland.  It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to
> > cover the planned turf.  Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in
> > the loose sense) and access antennas.  The obvious place to put these
> > is atop utility poles.  I think the local electric cooperative will
> > cooperate and let us rent pole space.  We may however need to put
> > additional poles in some places.  They seem cheaper than metal towers
> > and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows.
> >
> > Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of
> > arrangement?  We're in the budgeting stage now.  I have an idea what
> > the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal.  The
> > big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber
> > installs, not WISP-style radios.  So we may also want to bring in
> > someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or
> > setup with us too.  Thanks.
> >
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Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

2010-07-19 Thread Mike

And how do you anchor them? I'd like a 45' version.

 

Mike

 

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Phil Curnutt
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 6:41 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

 

I believe with lightning protection, mounting hardware and off set arms,
around $1200.

Phil

On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 4:33 PM, Jeromie Reeves 
wrote:

How much for a 17.5 ?


On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Phil Curnutt  wrote:
> http://gmesupply.com/roof-towers-c-9.html
>
> Just installed a 17.5 foot one.   Very nice.
>
> Phil
>
> On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 4:25 PM, Mike  wrote:
>>
>> Something like these:  http://www.pondaeration.com/
>>
>> Thiesens here in Iowa sells them.  They look like an old fashioned
>> windmill
>> and just pump water.
>>
>> There are some wind power kits that you mount on a monopole, but the
>> blades
>> are so long they would be in the Fresnel zone, and would be hard to
climb.
>>
>> I was merely offering a solution or idea that even owlers and tree
huggers
>> would have no problem having in their neighborhood.
>>
>> Friendly Regards,
>>
>> Mike
>>  -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Fred Goldstein
>> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 5:09 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
>>
>> At 7/19/2010 05:53 PM, you wrote:
>> >Fred:
>> >
>> >I have some "poles" on my network.  They are hard to climb and service
>> would
>> >be the only caveats I'd share.  Consider windmills.  The ones they sell
>> > to
>> >keep ponds aerated are aesthetically pleasing and not too expensive.
>>
>> You're right; we'll probably need a bucket truck to do poles, both to
>> install and service. Are you talking about using wind for power
>> too?  There are few or no local windmills  otherwise.  Some of the
>> best relay sites may be off the grid so a wind charger could be
>> practical.  Solar might work but lake-effect snow could be a
>> problem.  Lake-effect wind, on the other hand, would be helpful.
>>
>> >Friendly Regards,
>> >
>> >Mike
>> >
>> >Mike Gilchrist
>> >Disruptive Technologist
>> >Advanced Wireless Express
>> >P.O. Box 255
>> >Toledo, IA   52342
>> >239.770.6203
>> >m...@aweiowa.com
>> >
>> >
>> >-Original Message-
>> >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> >Behalf Of Fred R. Goldstein
>> >Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 3:24 PM
>> >To: WISPA General List
>> >Subject: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
>> >
>> >A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not
>> >farmland.  It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to
>> >cover the planned turf.  Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in
>> >the loose sense) and access antennas.  The obvious place to put these
>> >is atop utility poles.  I think the local electric cooperative will
>> >cooperate and let us rent pole space.  We may however need to put
>> >additional poles in some places.  They seem cheaper than metal towers
>> >and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows.
>> >
>> >Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of
>> >arrangement?  We're in the budgeting stage now.  I have an idea what
>> >the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal.  The
>> >big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber
>> >installs, not WISP-style radios.  So we may also want to bring in
>> >someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or
>> >setup with us too.  Thanks.
>> >
>> >   --
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Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

2010-07-19 Thread Phil Curnutt

I believe with lightning protection, mounting hardware and off set arms,
around $1200.

Phil

On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 4:33 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote:

> How much for a 17.5 ?
>
> On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Phil Curnutt  wrote:
> > http://gmesupply.com/roof-towers-c-9.html
> >
> > Just installed a 17.5 foot one.   Very nice.
> >
> > Phil
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 4:25 PM, Mike  wrote:
> >>
> >> Something like these:  http://www.pondaeration.com/
> >>
> >> Thiesens here in Iowa sells them.  They look like an old fashioned
> >> windmill
> >> and just pump water.
> >>
> >> There are some wind power kits that you mount on a monopole, but the
> >> blades
> >> are so long they would be in the Fresnel zone, and would be hard to
> climb.
> >>
> >> I was merely offering a solution or idea that even owlers and tree
> huggers
> >> would have no problem having in their neighborhood.
> >>
> >> Friendly Regards,
> >>
> >> Mike
> >>  -Original Message-
> >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> >> Behalf Of Fred Goldstein
> >> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 5:09 PM
> >> To: WISPA General List
> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
> >>
> >> At 7/19/2010 05:53 PM, you wrote:
> >> >Fred:
> >> >
> >> >I have some "poles" on my network.  They are hard to climb and service
> >> would
> >> >be the only caveats I'd share.  Consider windmills.  The ones they sell
> >> > to
> >> >keep ponds aerated are aesthetically pleasing and not too expensive.
> >>
> >> You're right; we'll probably need a bucket truck to do poles, both to
> >> install and service. Are you talking about using wind for power
> >> too?  There are few or no local windmills  otherwise.  Some of the
> >> best relay sites may be off the grid so a wind charger could be
> >> practical.  Solar might work but lake-effect snow could be a
> >> problem.  Lake-effect wind, on the other hand, would be helpful.
> >>
> >> >Friendly Regards,
> >> >
> >> >Mike
> >> >
> >> >Mike Gilchrist
> >> >Disruptive Technologist
> >> >Advanced Wireless Express
> >> >P.O. Box 255
> >> >Toledo, IA   52342
> >> >239.770.6203
> >> >m...@aweiowa.com
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> >> >
> >> >-Original Message-
> >> >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On
> >> >Behalf Of Fred R. Goldstein
> >> >Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 3:24 PM
> >> >To: WISPA General List
> >> >Subject: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
> >> >
> >> >A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not
> >> >farmland.  It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to
> >> >cover the planned turf.  Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in
> >> >the loose sense) and access antennas.  The obvious place to put these
> >> >is atop utility poles.  I think the local electric cooperative will
> >> >cooperate and let us rent pole space.  We may however need to put
> >> >additional poles in some places.  They seem cheaper than metal towers
> >> >and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows.
> >> >
> >> >Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of
> >> >arrangement?  We're in the budgeting stage now.  I have an idea what
> >> >the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal.  The
> >> >big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber
> >> >installs, not WISP-style radios.  So we may also want to bring in
> >> >someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or
> >> >setup with us too.  Thanks.
> >> >
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Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

2010-07-19 Thread Marlon K. Schafer

I'd run 5 gig for the backhaul (ptmp) and 2.4 for distribution.

Be VERY careful with distances and power levels you expect to be able to run 
though.  The power lines will cause a LOT of multipath.

I'd put in 2x the ap's you think you'll need and run EVERYTHING at VERY low 
power levels.

OR swap out key poles.  Go from 40' normal poles to 60 or 80' ones, then put 
your gear above the power lines, by a long ways.  Still build slow till you 
know what effect the power lines are going to have on your signal.  It's bad 
enough to just shoot across them, but shooting in line with them will likely 
be a royal PITA.

Oh yeah, remember that multipath and self inflicted interference will often 
NOT show up with just a couple of test systems online.  It takes lots of 
customers to really make things fail.  And by then you have convinced 
yourself that the design is proper because it's worked "just fine" all this 
time.  When all along it's NOT worked well, it's just fast enough and good 
enough that no one noticed how much trouble it was having getting data 
through.

Have fun!  Let us know what you land on for a good working design!
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Fred R. Goldstein" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 1:23 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations


>A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not
> farmland.  It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to
> cover the planned turf.  Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in
> the loose sense) and access antennas.  The obvious place to put these
> is atop utility poles.  I think the local electric cooperative will
> cooperate and let us rent pole space.  We may however need to put
> additional poles in some places.  They seem cheaper than metal towers
> and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows.
>
> Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of
> arrangement?  We're in the budgeting stage now.  I have an idea what
> the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal.  The
> big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber
> installs, not WISP-style radios.  So we may also want to bring in
> someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or
> setup with us too.  Thanks.
>
>  --
>  Fred Goldsteink1io   fgoldstein "at" ionary.com
>  ionary Consulting  http://www.ionary.com/
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Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

2010-07-19 Thread Jason Hensley

We have a pretty large setup like this.  We "inherited" a DigitalPath based
network a couple of years ago that I wish I could get rid of due to
proprietary issues and a big inability to do some things with it. It has
it's positives (great Hotspot setup) but also a number of negatives.  We
have about 90 AP's out there.  

We are now using Deliberant AP Duo's and Quads to accomplish this with
PacWireless grids or panels.  We have full access to poles that our city
controls, but not that our Power Coop controls. 

We use some power boards here:  http://www.prosecuritys.com/ols20.html that
work well with batteries that we put in place (batteries are similar are
these although we get them from a local supplier:
http://www.technobotsonline.com/haze-hzs-sla-agm-battery-12v-7ah.html) all
inside an enclosure like this one:
http://www.cooperb-line.com/pdf/catalogs/ProductInformation/ENC09-PDF-WebPI/
T3RScrewCoverEnclosures.pdf.  

We have a mixture of bridging (although the Deliberant stuff, to me, is a
little quirky for bridging) and routing, but mostly routed. I would
definitely not call this a mesh network, but if you wanted to go mesh,
Ligowave has a fantastic mesh product.  




-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Fred R. Goldstein
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 3:24 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not 
farmland.  It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to 
cover the planned turf.  Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in 
the loose sense) and access antennas.  The obvious place to put these 
is atop utility poles.  I think the local electric cooperative will 
cooperate and let us rent pole space.  We may however need to put 
additional poles in some places.  They seem cheaper than metal towers 
and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows.

Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of 
arrangement?  We're in the budgeting stage now.  I have an idea what 
the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal.  The 
big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber 
installs, not WISP-style radios.  So we may also want to bring in 
someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or 
setup with us too.  Thanks.

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Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

2010-07-19 Thread Mike

No, but I have friends/customers with really big bucket trucks.  They are
tree guys.  Also, the local electric utility usually sets my poles.  I have
customers there too.  The company charged me $250.00 for a 65 footer a few
months back. 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 5:36 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

  Must not have any lineman friends.  ;-)

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On 7/19/2010 4:53 PM, Mike wrote:
> Fred:
>
> I have some "poles" on my network.  They are hard to climb and service
would
> be the only caveats I'd share.  Consider windmills.  The ones they sell to
> keep ponds aerated are aesthetically pleasing and not too expensive.
>
> Friendly Regards,
>
> Mike
>
> Mike Gilchrist
> Disruptive Technologist
> Advanced Wireless Express
> P.O. Box 255
> Toledo, IA   52342
> 239.770.6203
> m...@aweiowa.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Fred R. Goldstein
> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 3:24 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
>
> A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not
> farmland.  It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to
> cover the planned turf.  Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in
> the loose sense) and access antennas.  The obvious place to put these
> is atop utility poles.  I think the local electric cooperative will
> cooperate and let us rent pole space.  We may however need to put
> additional poles in some places.  They seem cheaper than metal towers
> and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows.
>
> Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of
> arrangement?  We're in the budgeting stage now.  I have an idea what
> the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal.  The
> big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber
> installs, not WISP-style radios.  So we may also want to bring in
> someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or
> setup with us too.  Thanks.
>
>--
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>ionary Consulting  http://www.ionary.com/
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Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

2010-07-19 Thread Josh Luthman

Is there a mast in the center of them or do you immediately need a bucket
truck?

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On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 6:38 PM, Mike  wrote:

>   Nice Phil. How much did you pay?
>   --
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Phil Curnutt
> *Sent:* Monday, July 19, 2010 5:32 PM
>
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
>
>
>
> http://gmesupply.com/roof-towers-c-9.html
>
> Just installed a 17.5 foot one.   Very nice.
>
> Phil
>
> On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 4:25 PM, Mike  wrote:
>
> Something like these:  http://www.pondaeration.com/
>
> Thiesens here in Iowa sells them.  They look like an old fashioned windmill
> and just pump water.
>
> There are some wind power kits that you mount on a monopole, but the blades
> are so long they would be in the Fresnel zone, and would be hard to climb.
>
> I was merely offering a solution or idea that even owlers and tree huggers
> would have no problem having in their neighborhood.
>
> Friendly Regards,
>
> Mike
>  -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Fred Goldstein
> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 5:09 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
>
> At 7/19/2010 05:53 PM, you wrote:
> >Fred:
> >
> >I have some "poles" on my network.  They are hard to climb and service
> would
> >be the only caveats I'd share.  Consider windmills.  The ones they sell to
> >keep ponds aerated are aesthetically pleasing and not too expensive.
>
> You're right; we'll probably need a bucket truck to do poles, both to
> install and service. Are you talking about using wind for power
> too?  There are few or no local windmills  otherwise.  Some of the
> best relay sites may be off the grid so a wind charger could be
> practical.  Solar might work but lake-effect snow could be a
> problem.  Lake-effect wind, on the other hand, would be helpful.
>
> >Friendly Regards,
> >
> >Mike
> >
> >Mike Gilchrist
> >Disruptive Technologist
> >Advanced Wireless Express
> >P.O. Box 255
> >Toledo, IA   52342
> >239.770.6203
> >m...@aweiowa.com
> >
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> >Behalf Of Fred R. Goldstein
> >Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 3:24 PM
> >To: WISPA General List
> >Subject: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
> >
> >A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not
> >farmland.  It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to
> >cover the planned turf.  Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in
> >the loose sense) and access antennas.  The obvious place to put these
> >is atop utility poles.  I think the local electric cooperative will
> >cooperate and let us rent pole space.  We may however need to put
> >additional poles in some places.  They seem cheaper than metal towers
> >and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows.
> >
> >Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of
> >arrangement?  We're in the budgeting stage now.  I have an idea what
> >the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal.  The
> >big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber
> >installs, not WISP-style radios.  So we may also want to bring in
> >someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or
> >setup with us too.  Thanks.
> >
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Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

2010-07-19 Thread Mike

Nice Phil. How much did you pay?

  _  

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Phil Curnutt
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 5:32 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

 

http://gmesupply.com/roof-towers-c-9.html

Just installed a 17.5 foot one.   Very nice.

Phil

On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 4:25 PM, Mike  wrote:

Something like these:  http://www.pondaeration.com/

Thiesens here in Iowa sells them.  They look like an old fashioned windmill
and just pump water.

There are some wind power kits that you mount on a monopole, but the blades
are so long they would be in the Fresnel zone, and would be hard to climb.

I was merely offering a solution or idea that even owlers and tree huggers
would have no problem having in their neighborhood.

Friendly Regards,

Mike
 -Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Fred Goldstein
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 5:09 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

At 7/19/2010 05:53 PM, you wrote:
>Fred:
>
>I have some "poles" on my network.  They are hard to climb and service
would
>be the only caveats I'd share.  Consider windmills.  The ones they sell to
>keep ponds aerated are aesthetically pleasing and not too expensive.

You're right; we'll probably need a bucket truck to do poles, both to
install and service. Are you talking about using wind for power
too?  There are few or no local windmills  otherwise.  Some of the
best relay sites may be off the grid so a wind charger could be
practical.  Solar might work but lake-effect snow could be a
problem.  Lake-effect wind, on the other hand, would be helpful.

>Friendly Regards,
>
>Mike
>
>Mike Gilchrist
>Disruptive Technologist
>Advanced Wireless Express
>P.O. Box 255
>Toledo, IA   52342
>239.770.6203
>m...@aweiowa.com
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>Behalf Of Fred R. Goldstein
>Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 3:24 PM
>To: WISPA General List
>Subject: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
>
>A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not
>farmland.  It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to
>cover the planned turf.  Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in
>the loose sense) and access antennas.  The obvious place to put these
>is atop utility poles.  I think the local electric cooperative will
>cooperate and let us rent pole space.  We may however need to put
>additional poles in some places.  They seem cheaper than metal towers
>and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows.
>
>Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of
>arrangement?  We're in the budgeting stage now.  I have an idea what
>the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal.  The
>big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber
>installs, not WISP-style radios.  So we may also want to bring in
>someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or
>setup with us too.  Thanks.
>
>   --
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Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

2010-07-19 Thread Mike Hammett

  Must not have any lineman friends.  ;-)

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On 7/19/2010 4:53 PM, Mike wrote:
> Fred:
>
> I have some "poles" on my network.  They are hard to climb and service would
> be the only caveats I'd share.  Consider windmills.  The ones they sell to
> keep ponds aerated are aesthetically pleasing and not too expensive.
>
> Friendly Regards,
>
> Mike
>
> Mike Gilchrist
> Disruptive Technologist
> Advanced Wireless Express
> P.O. Box 255
> Toledo, IA   52342
> 239.770.6203
> m...@aweiowa.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Fred R. Goldstein
> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 3:24 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
>
> A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not
> farmland.  It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to
> cover the planned turf.  Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in
> the loose sense) and access antennas.  The obvious place to put these
> is atop utility poles.  I think the local electric cooperative will
> cooperate and let us rent pole space.  We may however need to put
> additional poles in some places.  They seem cheaper than metal towers
> and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows.
>
> Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of
> arrangement?  We're in the budgeting stage now.  I have an idea what
> the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal.  The
> big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber
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Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

2010-07-19 Thread Jeromie Reeves

How much for a 17.5 ?

On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Phil Curnutt  wrote:
> http://gmesupply.com/roof-towers-c-9.html
>
> Just installed a 17.5 foot one.   Very nice.
>
> Phil
>
> On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 4:25 PM, Mike  wrote:
>>
>> Something like these:  http://www.pondaeration.com/
>>
>> Thiesens here in Iowa sells them.  They look like an old fashioned
>> windmill
>> and just pump water.
>>
>> There are some wind power kits that you mount on a monopole, but the
>> blades
>> are so long they would be in the Fresnel zone, and would be hard to climb.
>>
>> I was merely offering a solution or idea that even owlers and tree huggers
>> would have no problem having in their neighborhood.
>>
>> Friendly Regards,
>>
>> Mike
>>  -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Fred Goldstein
>> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 5:09 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
>>
>> At 7/19/2010 05:53 PM, you wrote:
>> >Fred:
>> >
>> >I have some "poles" on my network.  They are hard to climb and service
>> would
>> >be the only caveats I'd share.  Consider windmills.  The ones they sell
>> > to
>> >keep ponds aerated are aesthetically pleasing and not too expensive.
>>
>> You're right; we'll probably need a bucket truck to do poles, both to
>> install and service. Are you talking about using wind for power
>> too?  There are few or no local windmills  otherwise.  Some of the
>> best relay sites may be off the grid so a wind charger could be
>> practical.  Solar might work but lake-effect snow could be a
>> problem.  Lake-effect wind, on the other hand, would be helpful.
>>
>> >Friendly Regards,
>> >
>> >Mike
>> >
>> >Mike Gilchrist
>> >Disruptive Technologist
>> >Advanced Wireless Express
>> >P.O. Box 255
>> >Toledo, IA   52342
>> >239.770.6203
>> >m...@aweiowa.com
>> >
>> >
>> >-Original Message-
>> >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> >Behalf Of Fred R. Goldstein
>> >Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 3:24 PM
>> >To: WISPA General List
>> >Subject: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
>> >
>> >A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not
>> >farmland.  It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to
>> >cover the planned turf.  Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in
>> >the loose sense) and access antennas.  The obvious place to put these
>> >is atop utility poles.  I think the local electric cooperative will
>> >cooperate and let us rent pole space.  We may however need to put
>> >additional poles in some places.  They seem cheaper than metal towers
>> >and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows.
>> >
>> >Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of
>> >arrangement?  We're in the budgeting stage now.  I have an idea what
>> >the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal.  The
>> >big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber
>> >installs, not WISP-style radios.  So we may also want to bring in
>> >someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or
>> >setup with us too.  Thanks.
>> >
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Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

2010-07-19 Thread Phil Curnutt

http://gmesupply.com/roof-towers-c-9.html

Just installed a 17.5 foot one.   Very nice.

Phil

On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 4:25 PM, Mike  wrote:

> Something like these:  http://www.pondaeration.com/
>
> Thiesens here in Iowa sells them.  They look like an old fashioned windmill
> and just pump water.
>
> There are some wind power kits that you mount on a monopole, but the blades
> are so long they would be in the Fresnel zone, and would be hard to climb.
>
> I was merely offering a solution or idea that even owlers and tree huggers
> would have no problem having in their neighborhood.
>
> Friendly Regards,
>
> Mike
>  -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Fred Goldstein
> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 5:09 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
>
> At 7/19/2010 05:53 PM, you wrote:
> >Fred:
> >
> >I have some "poles" on my network.  They are hard to climb and service
> would
> >be the only caveats I'd share.  Consider windmills.  The ones they sell to
> >keep ponds aerated are aesthetically pleasing and not too expensive.
>
> You're right; we'll probably need a bucket truck to do poles, both to
> install and service. Are you talking about using wind for power
> too?  There are few or no local windmills  otherwise.  Some of the
> best relay sites may be off the grid so a wind charger could be
> practical.  Solar might work but lake-effect snow could be a
> problem.  Lake-effect wind, on the other hand, would be helpful.
>
> >Friendly Regards,
> >
> >Mike
> >
> >Mike Gilchrist
> >Disruptive Technologist
> >Advanced Wireless Express
> >P.O. Box 255
> >Toledo, IA   52342
> >239.770.6203
> >m...@aweiowa.com
> >
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> >Behalf Of Fred R. Goldstein
> >Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 3:24 PM
> >To: WISPA General List
> >Subject: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
> >
> >A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not
> >farmland.  It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to
> >cover the planned turf.  Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in
> >the loose sense) and access antennas.  The obvious place to put these
> >is atop utility poles.  I think the local electric cooperative will
> >cooperate and let us rent pole space.  We may however need to put
> >additional poles in some places.  They seem cheaper than metal towers
> >and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows.
> >
> >Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of
> >arrangement?  We're in the budgeting stage now.  I have an idea what
> >the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal.  The
> >big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber
> >installs, not WISP-style radios.  So we may also want to bring in
> >someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or
> >setup with us too.  Thanks.
> >
> >   --
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Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

2010-07-19 Thread Mike

Something like these:  http://www.pondaeration.com/

Thiesens here in Iowa sells them.  They look like an old fashioned windmill
and just pump water.

There are some wind power kits that you mount on a monopole, but the blades
are so long they would be in the Fresnel zone, and would be hard to climb.

I was merely offering a solution or idea that even owlers and tree huggers
would have no problem having in their neighborhood.

Friendly Regards,
 
Mike
 -Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Fred Goldstein
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 5:09 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

At 7/19/2010 05:53 PM, you wrote:
>Fred:
>
>I have some "poles" on my network.  They are hard to climb and service
would
>be the only caveats I'd share.  Consider windmills.  The ones they sell to
>keep ponds aerated are aesthetically pleasing and not too expensive.

You're right; we'll probably need a bucket truck to do poles, both to 
install and service. Are you talking about using wind for power 
too?  There are few or no local windmills  otherwise.  Some of the 
best relay sites may be off the grid so a wind charger could be 
practical.  Solar might work but lake-effect snow could be a 
problem.  Lake-effect wind, on the other hand, would be helpful.

>Friendly Regards,
>
>Mike
>
>Mike Gilchrist
>Disruptive Technologist
>Advanced Wireless Express
>P.O. Box 255
>Toledo, IA   52342
>239.770.6203
>m...@aweiowa.com
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>Behalf Of Fred R. Goldstein
>Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 3:24 PM
>To: WISPA General List
>Subject: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
>
>A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not
>farmland.  It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to
>cover the planned turf.  Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in
>the loose sense) and access antennas.  The obvious place to put these
>is atop utility poles.  I think the local electric cooperative will
>cooperate and let us rent pole space.  We may however need to put
>additional poles in some places.  They seem cheaper than metal towers
>and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows.
>
>Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of
>arrangement?  We're in the budgeting stage now.  I have an idea what
>the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal.  The
>big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber
>installs, not WISP-style radios.  So we may also want to bring in
>someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or
>setup with us too.  Thanks.
>
>   --
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Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

2010-07-19 Thread Fred Goldstein

At 7/19/2010 05:53 PM, you wrote:
>Fred:
>
>I have some "poles" on my network.  They are hard to climb and service would
>be the only caveats I'd share.  Consider windmills.  The ones they sell to
>keep ponds aerated are aesthetically pleasing and not too expensive.

You're right; we'll probably need a bucket truck to do poles, both to 
install and service. Are you talking about using wind for power 
too?  There are few or no local windmills  otherwise.  Some of the 
best relay sites may be off the grid so a wind charger could be 
practical.  Solar might work but lake-effect snow could be a 
problem.  Lake-effect wind, on the other hand, would be helpful.

>Friendly Regards,
>
>Mike
>
>Mike Gilchrist
>Disruptive Technologist
>Advanced Wireless Express
>P.O. Box 255
>Toledo, IA   52342
>239.770.6203
>m...@aweiowa.com
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>Behalf Of Fred R. Goldstein
>Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 3:24 PM
>To: WISPA General List
>Subject: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
>
>A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not
>farmland.  It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to
>cover the planned turf.  Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in
>the loose sense) and access antennas.  The obvious place to put these
>is atop utility poles.  I think the local electric cooperative will
>cooperate and let us rent pole space.  We may however need to put
>additional poles in some places.  They seem cheaper than metal towers
>and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows.
>
>Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of
>arrangement?  We're in the budgeting stage now.  I have an idea what
>the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal.  The
>big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber
>installs, not WISP-style radios.  So we may also want to bring in
>someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or
>setup with us too.  Thanks.
>
>   --
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Re: [WISPA] Early bird dinner

2010-07-19 Thread Forbes Mercy


Got it, thanks.

On 7/19/2010 2:48 PM, Jim Patient wrote:

I'll pick you up about 6:00PM.  I'll be in a green GMC Envoy.

If anyone else shows up just let them know and if there are more than 
3 more then give me a heads up so I can send another truck.



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On 7/19/2010 4:45 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote:

Jim,

I'm already checked in so if you get enough interest I'd happily tag 
along.


Forbes/ /

On 7/19/2010 12:47 PM, Jim Patient wrote:
I have a little damage recovery to do from storms this weekend (lost 
2 APs) but should be done this evening.


I don't see any activities on the schedule for tonight.  If any one 
would like to go out for BBQ tonight,  We (linktechs.net and 
jeffcosoho.com both vendor members) will buy dinner at Pennies BBQ.

They have cold beer and great BBQ.
4265 Reavis Barracks Road
St Louis, MO 63125-2327
(314) 544-1661

We have 2 SUVs and a mini van to pick anyone up that needs a ride.

If anyone would like to go, just shoot an email or give me a call.

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Re: [WISPA] Early bird dinner

2010-07-19 Thread Jim Patient


 I'll pick you up about 6:00PM.  I'll be in a green GMC Envoy.

If anyone else shows up just let them know and if there are more than 3 
more then give me a heads up so I can send another truck.



Jim

On 7/19/2010 4:45 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote:

Jim,

I'm already checked in so if you get enough interest I'd happily tag 
along.


Forbes/ /

On 7/19/2010 12:47 PM, Jim Patient wrote:
I have a little damage recovery to do from storms this weekend (lost 
2 APs) but should be done this evening.


I don't see any activities on the schedule for tonight.  If any one 
would like to go out for BBQ tonight,  We (linktechs.net and 
jeffcosoho.com both vendor members) will buy dinner at Pennies BBQ.

They have cold beer and great BBQ.
4265 Reavis Barracks Road
St Louis, MO 63125-2327
(314) 544-1661

We have 2 SUVs and a mini van to pick anyone up that needs a ride.

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Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

2010-07-19 Thread Mike

Fred:

I have some "poles" on my network.  They are hard to climb and service would
be the only caveats I'd share.  Consider windmills.  The ones they sell to
keep ponds aerated are aesthetically pleasing and not too expensive.

Friendly Regards,
 
Mike
 
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m...@aweiowa.com
 

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
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Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 3:24 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not 
farmland.  It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to 
cover the planned turf.  Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in 
the loose sense) and access antennas.  The obvious place to put these 
is atop utility poles.  I think the local electric cooperative will 
cooperate and let us rent pole space.  We may however need to put 
additional poles in some places.  They seem cheaper than metal towers 
and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows.

Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of 
arrangement?  We're in the budgeting stage now.  I have an idea what 
the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal.  The 
big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber 
installs, not WISP-style radios.  So we may also want to bring in 
someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or 
setup with us too.  Thanks.

  --
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  ionary Consulting  http://www.ionary.com/
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Re: [WISPA] Early bird dinner

2010-07-19 Thread Forbes Mercy


Mike,

There is a meet and greet sponsored dinner tomorrow night starting at 
6:00 PM.


Forbes

On 7/19/2010 2:50 PM, Mike wrote:


Now if you made that offer tomorrow night ...  my son and I will 
arrive late afternoon/early evening.


Friendly Regards,

Mike

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*From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
*On Behalf Of *Jim Patient

*Sent:* Monday, July 19, 2010 2:48 PM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* [WISPA] Early bird dinner

I have a little damage recovery to do from storms this weekend (lost 2 
APs) but should be done this evening.


I don't see any activities on the schedule for tonight.  If any one 
would like to go out for BBQ tonight,  We (linktechs.net and 
jeffcosoho.com both vendor members) will buy dinner at Pennies BBQ.

They have cold beer and great BBQ.
4265 Reavis Barracks Road
St Louis, MO 63125-2327
(314) 544-1661

We have 2 SUVs and a mini van to pick anyone up that needs a ride.

If anyone would like to go, just shoot an email or give me a call.

Thanx,
Jim Patient
Cell: 314-565-6863





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Re: [WISPA] Early bird dinner

2010-07-19 Thread Mike

Now if you made that offer tomorrow night .  my son and I will arrive late
afternoon/early evening.

 

Friendly Regards,

 

Mike

 

Mike Gilchrist

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  Weekly Column

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  _  

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jim Patient
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 2:48 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Early bird dinner

 

I have a little damage recovery to do from storms this weekend (lost 2 APs)
but should be done this evening.

I don't see any activities on the schedule for tonight.  If any one would
like to go out for BBQ tonight,  We (linktechs.net and jeffcosoho.com both
vendor members) will buy dinner at Pennies BBQ.
They have cold beer and great BBQ. 
4265 Reavis Barracks Road
St Louis, MO 63125-2327
(314) 544-1661

We have 2 SUVs and a mini van to pick anyone up that needs a ride. 

If anyone would like to go, just shoot an email or give me a call.

Thanx,
Jim Patient
Cell: 314-565-6863
 




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Re: [WISPA] Early bird dinner

2010-07-19 Thread Forbes Mercy


Jim,

I'm already checked in so if you get enough interest I'd happily tag along.

Forbes/ /

On 7/19/2010 12:47 PM, Jim Patient wrote:
I have a little damage recovery to do from storms this weekend (lost 2 
APs) but should be done this evening.


I don't see any activities on the schedule for tonight.  If any one 
would like to go out for BBQ tonight,  We (linktechs.net and 
jeffcosoho.com both vendor members) will buy dinner at Pennies BBQ.

They have cold beer and great BBQ.
4265 Reavis Barracks Road
St Louis, MO 63125-2327
(314) 544-1661

We have 2 SUVs and a mini van to pick anyone up that needs a ride.

If anyone would like to go, just shoot an email or give me a call.

Thanx,
Jim Patient
Cell: 314-565-6863





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Re: [WISPA] RB411 problem

2010-07-19 Thread Chuck Hogg

Turn off secure mode.

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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of richard sterne
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 3:33 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] RB411 problem

Hello All,
I have just pulled a RB411 out of store. It is a new one. But when I try
to connect to it with Winbox I get this message "Could not get
routeros.dll: no reply"
This is a new message to me. Can anyone help?

Richard




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[WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

2010-07-19 Thread Fred R. Goldstein

A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not 
farmland.  It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to 
cover the planned turf.  Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in 
the loose sense) and access antennas.  The obvious place to put these 
is atop utility poles.  I think the local electric cooperative will 
cooperate and let us rent pole space.  We may however need to put 
additional poles in some places.  They seem cheaper than metal towers 
and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows.

Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of 
arrangement?  We're in the budgeting stage now.  I have an idea what 
the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal.  The 
big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber 
installs, not WISP-style radios.  So we may also want to bring in 
someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or 
setup with us too.  Thanks.

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  ionary Consulting  http://www.ionary.com/
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Re: [WISPA] RB411 problem

2010-07-19 Thread Robert West

If all else fails, Telnet into it and upgrade RouterOS

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of richard sterne
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 3:33 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] RB411 problem

Hello All,
I have just pulled a RB411 out of store. It is a new one. But when I
try to connect to it with Winbox I get this message "Could not get
routeros.dll: no reply"
This is a new message to me. Can anyone help?

Richard

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Re: [WISPA] RB411 problem

2010-07-19 Thread Josh Luthman

Try again.  When that happens to me it's always when my interface is looking
for DHCP, the IP is 0.0.0.0, I attempt and just as the Winbox gets those
files the IP is rebuilt on 169.254.x.x.

If it keeps happening then make sure your PC works with mac-telnet (usually
it's some MTU change).  Also try another PC.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 3:33 PM, richard sterne wrote:

> Hello All,
> I have just pulled a RB411 out of store. It is a new one. But when I
> try to connect to it with Winbox I get this message "Could not get
> routeros.dll: no reply"
> This is a new message to me. Can anyone help?
>
> Richard
>
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>
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Re: [WISPA] RB411 problem

2010-07-19 Thread Jim Patient

  Try updating winbox to 2.2.16,  turn off any firewall and disable 
other interfaces except the one using to connect to the router.

Jim

On 7/19/2010 2:33 PM, richard sterne wrote:
> Hello All,
> I have just pulled a RB411 out of store. It is a new one. But when I
> try to connect to it with Winbox I get this message "Could not get
> routeros.dll: no reply"
> This is a new message to me. Can anyone help?
>
> Richard
>
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[WISPA] Early bird dinner

2010-07-19 Thread Jim Patient

 I have a little damage recovery to do from storms this weekend (lost 2 
APs) but should be done this evening.


I don't see any activities on the schedule for tonight.  If any one 
would like to go out for BBQ tonight,  We (linktechs.net and 
jeffcosoho.com both vendor members) will buy dinner at Pennies BBQ.

They have cold beer and great BBQ.
4265 Reavis Barracks Road
St Louis, MO 63125-2327
(314) 544-1661

We have 2 SUVs and a mini van to pick anyone up that needs a ride.

If anyone would like to go, just shoot an email or give me a call.

Thanx,
Jim Patient
Cell: 314-565-6863




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[WISPA] RB411 problem

2010-07-19 Thread richard sterne

Hello All,
I have just pulled a RB411 out of store. It is a new one. But when I
try to connect to it with Winbox I get this message "Could not get
routeros.dll: no reply"
This is a new message to me. Can anyone help?

Richard



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Re: [WISPA] Fire

2010-07-19 Thread Dennis Burgess

DOE!

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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 2:50 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Fire

Today an 8500 wildfire burned right through my busiest tower with 300 
customers.  Luckily I also lease space to the fire department so they 
made sure the state concentrated their helicopters on saving the tower, 
structure and power lines, thank goodness for their "vested interest".  
This is the radio that feeds them for the fire they fought today.  Only 
lost power for under an hour (UPS kept it up) but the FD had power crews

waiting with them in case that happened.  Lost my snowmobile that I 
store at the base of the hill in a 2 story house that burned along with 
a fire truck, sure wish I was there but had to listen to it from St. 
Louis on an Internet based scanner.

Forbes Mercy
Washington Broadband




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[WISPA] Fire

2010-07-19 Thread Forbes Mercy

Today an 8500 wildfire burned right through my busiest tower with 300 
customers.  Luckily I also lease space to the fire department so they 
made sure the state concentrated their helicopters on saving the tower, 
structure and power lines, thank goodness for their "vested interest".  
This is the radio that feeds them for the fire they fought today.  Only 
lost power for under an hour (UPS kept it up) but the FD had power crews 
waiting with them in case that happened.  Lost my snowmobile that I 
store at the base of the hill in a 2 story house that burned along with 
a fire truck, sure wish I was there but had to listen to it from St. 
Louis on an Internet based scanner.

Forbes Mercy
Washington Broadband



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