Re: [WISPA] Anyone running MT RB-750, UBNT gear doing IPv6?
Butch, No, I'm not on the IPv6 mailing list. I'll check it out. Thanks! Greg On Jan 16, 2011, at 12:35 AM, Butch Evans wrote: On 01/13/2011 05:54 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote: No, I'm not offended at all. I appreciate your comments and the privilege of being in the forum. When I read what you wrote about how the HE tunnel is IPv4 as far as the MT router is concerned (that had escaped me). But I still would be interested to know if others are doing true IPv6 through the MT RB750/RB450. Greg, are you on the IPv6 mailing list? I posted a complete configuration there (very simple config) for MT with an HE tunnel. I believe that most of that post was put up on the member's wiki, though I can't be certain. It will work with any MT device (including 750). -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Newbie says Thanks
Thanks folks! That should get me started. Now... if only there was an App for that on my iPad. Steve -- *Steve Lynch* Network Administrator MidSouth Satellite Athena Broadband (931) 224-4202 mobile (931) 680-0068 office 731 Union Street Shelbyville, TN 37160 steve.ly...@midsouthsatellite.com www.midsouthsatellite.com www.athenabroadband.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Tower Enclosure
Anyone have any suggestions for a small enclosure to use on a tower? We plan to put it at about 500 feet with a fiber convertor, switch and power for the APs. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tower Enclosure
Lcom has some decent fiberglass models that should work. Chris Intelliwave -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of can...@believewireless.net Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 10:52 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Tower Enclosure Anyone have any suggestions for a small enclosure to use on a tower? We plan to put it at about 500 feet with a fiber convertor, switch and power for the APs. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] idea to slow the pain of netflix
has anyone ever tried to partner with blockbuster say something like if you have a 1Mps service for $39.95 but then partner with the local blockbuster then have 1Mps premier service for $49.95 includes deals at block buster $5 would go to blockbuster a extra $5 would go to the WISP blockbuster gets more business people watch less netflix seems like a win win Please give your input Thanks -- Tim Steele supp...@nitline.com NITLine Support (574) 772-7550 ext 103 www.NITLine.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] idea to slow the pain of netflix
BlockBuster also has an online movie delivery service. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/18/2011 10:01 AM, support wrote: has anyone ever tried to partner with blockbuster say something like if you have a 1Mps service for $39.95 but then partner with the local blockbuster then have 1Mps premier service for $49.95 includes deals at block buster $5 would go to blockbuster a extra $5 would go to the WISP blockbuster gets more business people watch less netflix seems like a win win Please give your input Thanks WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] idea to slow the pain of netflix
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 10:01, support supp...@nitline.com wrote: has anyone ever tried to partner with blockbuster You still have a Blockbuster nearby? There's not one within thirty miles of me; the last one closed a couple years ago. There's one video rental store in town, and I can't recall the last time I saw more than one car in their parking lot. Everyone's using Netflix/Blockbuster streaming/Amazon Unbox/et cetera. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] idea to slow the pain of netflix
Redbox is at Walmart and McDonald's. I'm guessing all of them, but could be wrong. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 11:21 AM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.net wrote: On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 10:01, support supp...@nitline.com wrote: has anyone ever tried to partner with blockbuster You still have a Blockbuster nearby? There's not one within thirty miles of me; the last one closed a couple years ago. There's one video rental store in town, and I can't recall the last time I saw more than one car in their parking lot. Everyone's using Netflix/Blockbuster streaming/Amazon Unbox/et cetera. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] idea to slow the pain of netflix
Just saw an article that redbox rentals have outpaced the other store rentals anyway. Sent from my iPhone4 On Jan 18, 2011, at 10:25 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Redbox is at Walmart and McDonald's. I'm guessing all of them, but could be wrong. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 11:21 AM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.net wrote: On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 10:01, support supp...@nitline.com wrote: has anyone ever tried to partner with blockbuster You still have a Blockbuster nearby? There's not one within thirty miles of me; the last one closed a couple years ago. There's one video rental store in town, and I can't recall the last time I saw more than one car in their parking lot. Everyone's using Netflix/Blockbuster streaming/Amazon Unbox/et cetera. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] idea to slow the pain of netflix
That doesn't surprise me at all. Who drives to the video to get a video instead of going to Walmart to get groceries, medicine, make up, shotgun, clothes and then gets a video on the way out? McDonald's needs a drive through Redbox IMO. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com wrote: Just saw an article that redbox rentals have outpaced the other store rentals anyway. Sent from my iPhone4 On Jan 18, 2011, at 10:25 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Redbox is at Walmart and McDonald's. I'm guessing all of them, but could be wrong. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 11:21 AM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.net d...@mvn.net wrote: On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 10:01, support supp...@nitline.com supp...@nitline.com wrote: has anyone ever tried to partner with blockbuster You still have a Blockbuster nearby? There's not one within thirty miles of me; the last one closed a couple years ago. There's one video rental store in town, and I can't recall the last time I saw more than one car in their parking lot. Everyone's using Netflix/Blockbuster streaming/Amazon Unbox/et cetera. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgwireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgwireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] idea to slow the pain of netflix
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 10:25, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Redbox is at Walmart and McDonald's. I'm guessing all of them, but could be wrong. Many, but certainly not all. There are three McD's near here, only one of which has a Redbox. (Though two of the bigger grocery stores in town have Redbox machines, and one gas station has a Blockbuster Express.) Shame the selection is usually pretty paltry - if you want to watch something that's more than a year old, it's pretty unlikely you'll be able to find it at Redbox. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] idea to slow the pain of netflix
Mcdonalds here has redbox. Along with most of the pharmacies. Sent from my iPhone4 On Jan 18, 2011, at 10:30 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: That doesn't surprise me at all. Who drives to the video to get a video instead of going to Walmart to get groceries, medicine, make up, shotgun, clothes and then gets a video on the way out? McDonald's needs a drive through Redbox IMO. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com wrote: Just saw an article that redbox rentals have outpaced the other store rentals anyway. Sent from my iPhone4 On Jan 18, 2011, at 10:25 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Redbox is at Walmart and McDonald's. I'm guessing all of them, but could be wrong. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 11:21 AM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.net wrote: On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 10:01, support supp...@nitline.com wrote: has anyone ever tried to partner with blockbuster You still have a Blockbuster nearby? There's not one within thirty miles of me; the last one closed a couple years ago. There's one video rental store in town, and I can't recall the last time I saw more than one car in their parking lot. Everyone's using Netflix/Blockbuster streaming/Amazon Unbox/et cetera. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] idea to slow the pain of netflix
Title: signature Blockbuster doesn't do streaming for free, if at all. We just switched from Blockbuster to Netflix for this reason. Martha Huizenga DC Access, LLC 202-546-5898 Friendly, Local, Affordable, Internet! Connecting the Capitol Hill Community Join us on or follow us on On 1/18/2011 11:01 AM, support wrote: has anyone ever tried to partner with blockbuster say something like if you have a 1Mps service for $39.95 but then partner with the local blockbuster then have 1Mps premier service for $49.95 includes deals at block buster $5 would go to blockbuster a extra $5 would go to the WISP blockbuster gets more business people watch less netflix seems like a win win Please give your input Thanks WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Newbie says Thanks
search for the app RF Toolbox - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Lynch Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 6:06 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Newbie says Thanks Thanks folks! That should get me started. Now... if only there was an App for that on my iPad. Steve -- Steve Lynch Network Administrator MidSouth Satellite Athena Broadband (931) 224-4202 mobile (931) 680-0068 office 731 Union Street Shelbyville, TN 37160 steve.ly...@midsouthsatellite.commailto:steve.ly...@midsouthsatellite.com [http://www.midsouthsatellite.com/images/logo.jpg] www.midsouthsatellite.comhttp://www.midsouthsatellite.com/ [http://www.midsouthsatellite.com/images/athlogo.jpg] www.athenabroadband.comhttp://www.athenabroadband.com/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.comhttp://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3387 - Release Date: 01/17/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] idea to slow the pain of netflix
I would rather partner with netflix. In fact, i would LOVE to. I have designed my network to handle it. My competition (wireless) can not handle the number of netflixers as I can. I need to leverage that ability. The best way would be to have some kind of deal where I can say $$/mo and free netflix, since people ARE going to use it any how. At least with that kind of arrangement I can use some less quality bandwidth to feed it, keeping the quality bandwidth that costs so much more out here, for the gamers and surfing. On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 8:01 AM, support supp...@nitline.com wrote: has anyone ever tried to partner with blockbuster say something like if you have a 1Mps service for $39.95 but then partner with the local blockbuster then have 1Mps premier service for $49.95 includes deals at block buster $5 would go to blockbuster a extra $5 would go to the WISP blockbuster gets more business people watch less netflix seems like a win win Please give your input Thanks -- Tim Steele supp...@nitline.com NITLine Support (574) 772-7550 ext 103 www.NITLine.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] idea to slow the pain of netflix
Do you mind sharing with the rest of the class your design for supporting NetFlix? - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 9:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] idea to slow the pain of netflix I would rather partner with netflix. In fact, i would LOVE to. I have designed my network to handle it. My competition (wireless) can not handle the number of netflixers as I can. I need to leverage that ability. The best way would be to have some kind of deal where I can say $$/mo and free netflix, since people ARE going to use it any how. At least with that kind of arrangement I can use some less quality bandwidth to feed it, keeping the quality bandwidth that costs so much more out here, for the gamers and surfing. On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 8:01 AM, support supp...@nitline.com wrote: has anyone ever tried to partner with blockbuster say something like if you have a 1Mps service for $39.95 but then partner with the local blockbuster then have 1Mps premier service for $49.95 includes deals at block buster $5 would go to blockbuster a extra $5 would go to the WISP blockbuster gets more business people watch less netflix seems like a win win Please give your input Thanks -- Tim Steele supp...@nitline.com NITLine Support (574) 772-7550 ext 103 www.NITLine.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.comhttp://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3387 - Release Date: 01/17/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] idea to slow the pain of netflix
Fiber and UBNT. Problem solved. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/18/2011 11:42 AM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Do you mind sharing with the rest of the class your design for supporting NetFlix? - Jerry *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Jeromie Reeves *Sent:* Tuesday, January 18, 2011 9:39 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] idea to slow the pain of netflix I would rather partner with netflix. In fact, i would LOVE to. I have designed my network to handle it. My competition (wireless) can not handle the number of netflixers as I can. I need to leverage that ability. The best way would be to have some kind of deal where I can say $$/mo and free netflix, since people ARE going to use it any how. At least with that kind of arrangement I can use some less quality bandwidth to feed it, keeping the quality bandwidth that costs so much more out here, for the gamers and surfing. On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 8:01 AM, support supp...@nitline.com wrote: has anyone ever tried to partner with blockbuster say something like if you have a 1Mps service for $39.95 but then partner with the local blockbuster then have 1Mps premier service for $49.95 includes deals at block buster $5 would go to blockbuster a extra $5 would go to the WISP blockbuster gets more business people watch less netflix seems like a win win Please give your input Thanks -- Tim Steele supp...@nitline.com NITLine Support (574) 772-7550 ext 103 www.NITLine.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3387 - Release Date: 01/17/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] idea to slow the pain of netflix
Bingo. Im keeping my cells small so I can keep the link rates high. I am working on getting fiber (or at least copper) between most relays. In a few places I am still looking at what it would take to be a cable provider but i really dislike all the regulation that comes with that. On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 9:46 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Fiber and UBNT. Problem solved. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/18/2011 11:42 AM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Do you mind sharing with the rest of the class your design for supporting NetFlix? - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 9:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] idea to slow the pain of netflix I would rather partner with netflix. In fact, i would LOVE to. I have designed my network to handle it. My competition (wireless) can not handle the number of netflixers as I can. I need to leverage that ability. The best way would be to have some kind of deal where I can say $$/mo and free netflix, since people ARE going to use it any how. At least with that kind of arrangement I can use some less quality bandwidth to feed it, keeping the quality bandwidth that costs so much more out here, for the gamers and surfing. On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 8:01 AM, support supp...@nitline.com wrote: has anyone ever tried to partner with blockbuster say something like if you have a 1Mps service for $39.95 but then partner with the local blockbuster then have 1Mps premier service for $49.95 includes deals at block buster $5 would go to blockbuster a extra $5 would go to the WISP blockbuster gets more business people watch less netflix seems like a win win Please give your input Thanks -- Tim Steele supp...@nitline.com NITLine Support (574) 772-7550 ext 103 www.NITLine.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3387 - Release Date: 01/17/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] idea to slow the pain of netflix
As that what you are running? You have a fiber feed to every tower? What is your expected subs/AP? Are you running full wraps? Do you have additional spectrum to lean into when your current AP's max out? - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 9:46 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] idea to slow the pain of netflix Fiber and UBNT. Problem solved. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/18/2011 11:42 AM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Do you mind sharing with the rest of the class your design for supporting NetFlix? - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 9:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] idea to slow the pain of netflix I would rather partner with netflix. In fact, i would LOVE to. I have designed my network to handle it. My competition (wireless) can not handle the number of netflixers as I can. I need to leverage that ability. The best way would be to have some kind of deal where I can say $$/mo and free netflix, since people ARE going to use it any how. At least with that kind of arrangement I can use some less quality bandwidth to feed it, keeping the quality bandwidth that costs so much more out here, for the gamers and surfing. On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 8:01 AM, support supp...@nitline.commailto:supp...@nitline.com wrote: has anyone ever tried to partner with blockbuster say something like if you have a 1Mps service for $39.95 but then partner with the local blockbuster then have 1Mps premier service for $49.95 includes deals at block buster $5 would go to blockbuster a extra $5 would go to the WISP blockbuster gets more business people watch less netflix seems like a win win Please give your input Thanks -- Tim Steele supp...@nitline.commailto:supp...@nitline.com NITLine Support (574) 772-7550 ext 103 www.NITLine.nethttp://www.NITLine.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.comhttp://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3387 - Release Date: 01/17/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.comhttp://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3387 - Release Date: 01/17/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] idea to slow the pain of netflix
Interesting. I don't see the backhaul being the problem, fiber or high cap BH's will do the job. The issue really lies in the last hop to the sub. The idea of small cells is a good one and with UBNT's pricing it's doable. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 9:49 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] idea to slow the pain of netflix Bingo. Im keeping my cells small so I can keep the link rates high. I am working on getting fiber (or at least copper) between most relays. In a few places I am still looking at what it would take to be a cable provider but i really dislike all the regulation that comes with that. On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 9:46 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Fiber and UBNT. Problem solved. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/18/2011 11:42 AM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Do you mind sharing with the rest of the class your design for supporting NetFlix? - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 9:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] idea to slow the pain of netflix I would rather partner with netflix. In fact, i would LOVE to. I have designed my network to handle it. My competition (wireless) can not handle the number of netflixers as I can. I need to leverage that ability. The best way would be to have some kind of deal where I can say $$/mo and free netflix, since people ARE going to use it any how. At least with that kind of arrangement I can use some less quality bandwidth to feed it, keeping the quality bandwidth that costs so much more out here, for the gamers and surfing. On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 8:01 AM, support supp...@nitline.com wrote: has anyone ever tried to partner with blockbuster say something like if you have a 1Mps service for $39.95 but then partner with the local blockbuster then have 1Mps premier service for $49.95 includes deals at block buster $5 would go to blockbuster a extra $5 would go to the WISP blockbuster gets more business people watch less netflix seems like a win win Please give your input Thanks -- Tim Steele supp...@nitline.com NITLine Support (574) 772-7550 ext 103 www.NITLine.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3387 - Release Date: 01/17/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.comhttp://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3387 - Release Date: 01/17/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] idea to slow the pain of netflix
And I am banking (latterly) that the GPS sync will help double my capacity. It should, but we will see. On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Interesting. I don’t see the backhaul being the problem, fiber or high cap BH's will do the job. The issue really lies in the last hop to the sub. The idea of small cells is a good one and with UBNT's pricing it's doable. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 9:49 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] idea to slow the pain of netflix Bingo. Im keeping my cells small so I can keep the link rates high. I am working on getting fiber (or at least copper) between most relays. In a few places I am still looking at what it would take to be a cable provider but i really dislike all the regulation that comes with that. On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 9:46 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Fiber and UBNT. Problem solved. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/18/2011 11:42 AM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Do you mind sharing with the rest of the class your design for supporting NetFlix? - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 9:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] idea to slow the pain of netflix I would rather partner with netflix. In fact, i would LOVE to. I have designed my network to handle it. My competition (wireless) can not handle the number of netflixers as I can. I need to leverage that ability. The best way would be to have some kind of deal where I can say $$/mo and free netflix, since people ARE going to use it any how. At least with that kind of arrangement I can use some less quality bandwidth to feed it, keeping the quality bandwidth that costs so much more out here, for the gamers and surfing. On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 8:01 AM, support supp...@nitline.com wrote: has anyone ever tried to partner with blockbuster say something like if you have a 1Mps service for $39.95 but then partner with the local blockbuster then have 1Mps premier service for $49.95 includes deals at block buster $5 would go to blockbuster a extra $5 would go to the WISP blockbuster gets more business people watch less netflix seems like a win win Please give your input Thanks -- Tim Steele supp...@nitline.com NITLine Support (574) 772-7550 ext 103 www.NITLine.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3387 - Release Date: 01/17/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3387 - Release Date: 01/17/11
Re: [WISPA] idea to slow the pain of netflix
For us, we have more capacity at each tower than the aggregate amount of bandwidth in AP's. I keep telling others, it's not the cost to get it to the tower, but from the tower to the home that hurts. Regards, Chuck On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 12:38 PM, Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.netwrote: I would rather partner with netflix. In fact, i would LOVE to. I have designed my network to handle it. My competition (wireless) can not handle the number of netflixers as I can. I need to leverage that ability. The best way would be to have some kind of deal where I can say $$/mo and free netflix, since people ARE going to use it any how. At least with that kind of arrangement I can use some less quality bandwidth to feed it, keeping the quality bandwidth that costs so much more out here, for the gamers and surfing. On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 8:01 AM, support supp...@nitline.com wrote: has anyone ever tried to partner with blockbuster say something like if you have a 1Mps service for $39.95 but then partner with the local blockbuster then have 1Mps premier service for $49.95 includes deals at block buster $5 would go to blockbuster a extra $5 would go to the WISP blockbuster gets more business people watch less netflix seems like a win win Please give your input Thanks -- Tim Steele supp...@nitline.com NITLine Support (574) 772-7550 ext 103 www.NITLine.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] idea to slow the pain of netflix
That's because Netflix has the older stuff =) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 12:51 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Interesting. I don’t see the backhaul being the problem, fiber or high cap BH's will do the job. The issue really lies in the last hop to the sub. The idea of small cells is a good one and with UBNT's pricing it's doable. - Jerry *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Jeromie Reeves *Sent:* Tuesday, January 18, 2011 9:49 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] idea to slow the pain of netflix Bingo. Im keeping my cells small so I can keep the link rates high. I am working on getting fiber (or at least copper) between most relays. In a few places I am still looking at what it would take to be a cable provider but i really dislike all the regulation that comes with that. On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 9:46 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Fiber and UBNT. Problem solved. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/18/2011 11:42 AM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Do you mind sharing with the rest of the class your design for supporting NetFlix? - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgwireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 9:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] idea to slow the pain of netflix I would rather partner with netflix. In fact, i would LOVE to. I have designed my network to handle it. My competition (wireless) can not handle the number of netflixers as I can. I need to leverage that ability. The best way would be to have some kind of deal where I can say $$/mo and free netflix, since people ARE going to use it any how. At least with that kind of arrangement I can use some less quality bandwidth to feed it, keeping the quality bandwidth that costs so much more out here, for the gamers and surfing. On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 8:01 AM, support supp...@nitline.com wrote: has anyone ever tried to partner with blockbuster say something like if you have a 1Mps service for $39.95 but then partner with the local blockbuster then have 1Mps premier service for $49.95 includes deals at block buster $5 would go to blockbuster a extra $5 would go to the WISP blockbuster gets more business people watch less netflix seems like a win win Please give your input Thanks -- Tim Steele supp...@nitline.com NITLine Support (574) 772-7550 ext 103 www.NITLine.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3387 - Release Date: 01/17/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] idea to slow the pain of netflix
Que? Not sure what you mean. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 9:55 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] idea to slow the pain of netflix That's because Netflix has the older stuff =) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 12:51 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.commailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Interesting. I don't see the backhaul being the problem, fiber or high cap BH's will do the job. The issue really lies in the last hop to the sub. The idea of small cells is a good one and with UBNT's pricing it's doable. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 9:49 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] idea to slow the pain of netflix Bingo. Im keeping my cells small so I can keep the link rates high. I am working on getting fiber (or at least copper) between most relays. In a few places I am still looking at what it would take to be a cable provider but i really dislike all the regulation that comes with that. On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 9:46 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netmailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Fiber and UBNT. Problem solved. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/18/2011 11:42 AM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Do you mind sharing with the rest of the class your design for supporting NetFlix? - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 9:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] idea to slow the pain of netflix I would rather partner with netflix. In fact, i would LOVE to. I have designed my network to handle it. My competition (wireless) can not handle the number of netflixers as I can. I need to leverage that ability. The best way would be to have some kind of deal where I can say $$/mo and free netflix, since people ARE going to use it any how. At least with that kind of arrangement I can use some less quality bandwidth to feed it, keeping the quality bandwidth that costs so much more out here, for the gamers and surfing. On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 8:01 AM, support supp...@nitline.commailto:supp...@nitline.com wrote: has anyone ever tried to partner with blockbuster say something like if you have a 1Mps service for $39.95 but then partner with the local blockbuster then have 1Mps premier service for $49.95 includes deals at block buster $5 would go to blockbuster a extra $5 would go to the WISP blockbuster gets more business people watch less netflix seems like a win win Please give your input Thanks -- Tim Steele supp...@nitline.commailto:supp...@nitline.com NITLine Support (574) 772-7550 ext 103 www.NITLine.nethttp://www.NITLine.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.comhttp://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3387 - Release Date: 01/17/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] idea to slow the pain of netflix
On Jan 18, 2011, at 1:37 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Que? Not sure what you mean. - Jerry I just signed my parents up for Netflix. They have 22,000 titles. Amazon has over 70,000. Netflix is $9 a month unlimited, Amazon is $3.99 and up per title. Amazon does have the newer stuff that Netflix doesn't but that's even more than $3.99 per title. Overall Netflix is the best buy. My parents are loving it. They can always grab an individual title from Amazon when they want to. Amazon doesn't appear to have a package deal other than some bundled crappie titles. No all you can eat from Amazon. Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] idea to slow the pain of netflix
Due to licensing Netflix only carries older movies that it can make more money on. The newer movies (like those just came out on DVD in the last few weeks, months). Redbox is able to get a better market (or maybe that it isn't instant/streaming and costs are less) and offer the newer movies. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 1:07 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.comwrote: Que? Not sure what you mean. - Jerry *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Tuesday, January 18, 2011 9:55 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] idea to slow the pain of netflix That's because Netflix has the older stuff =) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 12:51 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Interesting. I don’t see the backhaul being the problem, fiber or high cap BH's will do the job. The issue really lies in the last hop to the sub. The idea of small cells is a good one and with UBNT's pricing it's doable. - Jerry *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Jeromie Reeves *Sent:* Tuesday, January 18, 2011 9:49 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] idea to slow the pain of netflix Bingo. Im keeping my cells small so I can keep the link rates high. I am working on getting fiber (or at least copper) between most relays. In a few places I am still looking at what it would take to be a cable provider but i really dislike all the regulation that comes with that. On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 9:46 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Fiber and UBNT. Problem solved. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/18/2011 11:42 AM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Do you mind sharing with the rest of the class your design for supporting NetFlix? - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgwireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 9:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] idea to slow the pain of netflix I would rather partner with netflix. In fact, i would LOVE to. I have designed my network to handle it. My competition (wireless) can not handle the number of netflixers as I can. I need to leverage that ability. The best way would be to have some kind of deal where I can say $$/mo and free netflix, since people ARE going to use it any how. At least with that kind of arrangement I can use some less quality bandwidth to feed it, keeping the quality bandwidth that costs so much more out here, for the gamers and surfing. On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 8:01 AM, support supp...@nitline.com wrote: has anyone ever tried to partner with blockbuster say something like if you have a 1Mps service for $39.95 but then partner with the local blockbuster then have 1Mps premier service for $49.95 includes deals at block buster $5 would go to blockbuster a extra $5 would go to the WISP blockbuster gets more business people watch less netflix seems like a win win Please give your input Thanks -- Tim Steele supp...@nitline.com NITLine Support (574) 772-7550 ext 103 www.NITLine.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3387 - Release Date: 01/17/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Newbie says Thanks
AWESOME!!! Love it! On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: search for the app RF Toolbox - Jerry *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Steve Lynch *Sent:* Tuesday, January 18, 2011 6:06 AM *To:* wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* [WISPA] Newbie says Thanks Thanks folks! That should get me started. Now... if only there was an App for that on my iPad. Steve -- *Steve Lynch* Network Administrator MidSouth Satellite Athena Broadband (931) 224-4202 mobile (931) 680-0068 office 731 Union Street Shelbyville, TN 37160 steve.ly...@midsouthsatellite.com www.midsouthsatellite.com www.athenabroadband.com -- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3387 - Release Date: 01/17/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- *Steve Lynch* Network Administrator MidSouth Satellite Athena Broadband (931) 224-4202 mobile (931) 680-0068 office 731 Union Street Shelbyville, TN 37160 steve.ly...@midsouthsatellite.com www.midsouthsatellite.com www.athenabroadband.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] idea to slow the pain of netflix
That's what I'm deploying once UBNT beamsteering is out. Currently using MT and Canopy. I'll have fiber injection at more than 5 places in the network (1/3 of the APs). Will do more when I finish a couple more fiber deals. I don't expect to surpass 30 - 40 subs per AP, 40 MHz channels in 5 GHz. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/18/2011 11:49 AM, Jerry Richardson wrote: As that what you are running? You have a fiber feed to every tower? What is your expected subs/AP? Are you running full wraps? Do you have additional spectrum to lean into when your current AP's max out? - Jerry *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett *Sent:* Tuesday, January 18, 2011 9:46 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] idea to slow the pain of netflix Fiber and UBNT. Problem solved. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/18/2011 11:42 AM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Do you mind sharing with the rest of the class your design for supporting NetFlix? - Jerry *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Jeromie Reeves *Sent:* Tuesday, January 18, 2011 9:39 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] idea to slow the pain of netflix I would rather partner with netflix. In fact, i would LOVE to. I have designed my network to handle it. My competition (wireless) can not handle the number of netflixers as I can. I need to leverage that ability. The best way would be to have some kind of deal where I can say $$/mo and free netflix, since people ARE going to use it any how. At least with that kind of arrangement I can use some less quality bandwidth to feed it, keeping the quality bandwidth that costs so much more out here, for the gamers and surfing. On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 8:01 AM, support supp...@nitline.com mailto:supp...@nitline.com wrote: has anyone ever tried to partner with blockbuster say something like if you have a 1Mps service for $39.95 but then partner with the local blockbuster then have 1Mps premier service for $49.95 includes deals at block buster $5 would go to blockbuster a extra $5 would go to the WISP blockbuster gets more business people watch less netflix seems like a win win Please give your input Thanks -- Tim Steele supp...@nitline.com mailto:supp...@nitline.com NITLine Support (574) 772-7550 ext 103 www.NITLine.net http://www.NITLine.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3387 - Release Date: 01/17/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3387 - Release Date: 01/17/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] idea to slow the pain of netflix
When you have 4 - 8 UBNT APs pushing up to 100 megs, backhaul becomes difficult. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/18/2011 11:51 AM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Interesting. I don't see the backhaul being the problem, fiber or high cap BH's will do the job. The issue really lies in the last hop to the sub. The idea of small cells is a good one and with UBNT's pricing it's doable. - Jerry *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Jeromie Reeves *Sent:* Tuesday, January 18, 2011 9:49 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] idea to slow the pain of netflix Bingo. Im keeping my cells small so I can keep the link rates high. I am working on getting fiber (or at least copper) between most relays. In a few places I am still looking at what it would take to be a cable provider but i really dislike all the regulation that comes with that. On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 9:46 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Fiber and UBNT. Problem solved. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/18/2011 11:42 AM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Do you mind sharing with the rest of the class your design for supporting NetFlix? - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 9:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] idea to slow the pain of netflix I would rather partner with netflix. In fact, i would LOVE to. I have designed my network to handle it. My competition (wireless) can not handle the number of netflixers as I can. I need to leverage that ability. The best way would be to have some kind of deal where I can say $$/mo and free netflix, since people ARE going to use it any how. At least with that kind of arrangement I can use some less quality bandwidth to feed it, keeping the quality bandwidth that costs so much more out here, for the gamers and surfing. On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 8:01 AM, support supp...@nitline.com wrote: has anyone ever tried to partner with blockbuster say something like if you have a 1Mps service for $39.95 but then partner with the local blockbuster then have 1Mps premier service for $49.95 includes deals at block buster $5 would go to blockbuster a extra $5 would go to the WISP blockbuster gets more business people watch less netflix seems like a win win Please give your input Thanks -- Tim Steele supp...@nitline.com NITLine Support (574) 772-7550 ext 103 www.NITLine.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3387 - Release Date: 01/17/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3387 -
Re: [WISPA] idea to slow the pain of netflix
If you can get your network running on 40MHz channels you will have done the impossible (IMO) Realistically 10MHz channels will do a little better than 25Mbps. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 11:33 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] idea to slow the pain of netflix That's what I'm deploying once UBNT beamsteering is out. Currently using MT and Canopy. I'll have fiber injection at more than 5 places in the network (1/3 of the APs). Will do more when I finish a couple more fiber deals. I don't expect to surpass 30 - 40 subs per AP, 40 MHz channels in 5 GHz. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/18/2011 11:49 AM, Jerry Richardson wrote: As that what you are running? You have a fiber feed to every tower? What is your expected subs/AP? Are you running full wraps? Do you have additional spectrum to lean into when your current AP's max out? - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 9:46 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] idea to slow the pain of netflix Fiber and UBNT. Problem solved. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/18/2011 11:42 AM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Do you mind sharing with the rest of the class your design for supporting NetFlix? - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 9:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] idea to slow the pain of netflix I would rather partner with netflix. In fact, i would LOVE to. I have designed my network to handle it. My competition (wireless) can not handle the number of netflixers as I can. I need to leverage that ability. The best way would be to have some kind of deal where I can say $$/mo and free netflix, since people ARE going to use it any how. At least with that kind of arrangement I can use some less quality bandwidth to feed it, keeping the quality bandwidth that costs so much more out here, for the gamers and surfing. On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 8:01 AM, support supp...@nitline.commailto:supp...@nitline.com wrote: has anyone ever tried to partner with blockbuster say something like if you have a 1Mps service for $39.95 but then partner with the local blockbuster then have 1Mps premier service for $49.95 includes deals at block buster $5 would go to blockbuster a extra $5 would go to the WISP blockbuster gets more business people watch less netflix seems like a win win Please give your input Thanks -- Tim Steele supp...@nitline.commailto:supp...@nitline.com NITLine Support (574) 772-7550 ext 103 www.NITLine.nethttp://www.NITLine.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.comhttp://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3387 - Release Date: 01/17/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.comhttp://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3387 - Release Date: 01/17/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] idea to slow the pain of netflix
I haven't had issues with 40 MHz not passing 130 megabit on PtP. Remember that with the beamsteering, noise should be reduced as well. Having 8 dB more gain and reduced noise can only help immensely in a PtMP environment over standard sectors. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/18/2011 1:51 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: If you can get your network running on 40MHz channels you will have done the impossible (IMO) Realistically 10MHz channels will do a little better than 25Mbps. - Jerry *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett *Sent:* Tuesday, January 18, 2011 11:33 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] idea to slow the pain of netflix That's what I'm deploying once UBNT beamsteering is out. Currently using MT and Canopy. I'll have fiber injection at more than 5 places in the network (1/3 of the APs). Will do more when I finish a couple more fiber deals. I don't expect to surpass 30 - 40 subs per AP, 40 MHz channels in 5 GHz. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/18/2011 11:49 AM, Jerry Richardson wrote: As that what you are running? You have a fiber feed to every tower? What is your expected subs/AP? Are you running full wraps? Do you have additional spectrum to lean into when your current AP's max out? - Jerry *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett *Sent:* Tuesday, January 18, 2011 9:46 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] idea to slow the pain of netflix Fiber and UBNT. Problem solved. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/18/2011 11:42 AM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Do you mind sharing with the rest of the class your design for supporting NetFlix? - Jerry *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Jeromie Reeves *Sent:* Tuesday, January 18, 2011 9:39 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] idea to slow the pain of netflix I would rather partner with netflix. In fact, i would LOVE to. I have designed my network to handle it. My competition (wireless) can not handle the number of netflixers as I can. I need to leverage that ability. The best way would be to have some kind of deal where I can say $$/mo and free netflix, since people ARE going to use it any how. At least with that kind of arrangement I can use some less quality bandwidth to feed it, keeping the quality bandwidth that costs so much more out here, for the gamers and surfing. On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 8:01 AM, support supp...@nitline.com mailto:supp...@nitline.com wrote: has anyone ever tried to partner with blockbuster say something like if you have a 1Mps service for $39.95 but then partner with the local blockbuster then have 1Mps premier service for $49.95 includes deals at block buster $5 would go to blockbuster a extra $5 would go to the WISP blockbuster gets more business people watch less netflix seems like a win win Please give your input Thanks -- Tim Steele supp...@nitline.com mailto:supp...@nitline.com NITLine Support (574) 772-7550 ext 103 www.NITLine.net http://www.NITLine.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3387 - Release Date: 01/17/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message.
Re: [WISPA] idea to slow the pain of netflix
PtP is a whole different ballgame I hope you are right. I would love to hear a success story in the face of this onslaught of bandwidth consumption. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 11:58 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] idea to slow the pain of netflix I haven't had issues with 40 MHz not passing 130 megabit on PtP. Remember that with the beamsteering, noise should be reduced as well. Having 8 dB more gain and reduced noise can only help immensely in a PtMP environment over standard sectors. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/18/2011 1:51 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: If you can get your network running on 40MHz channels you will have done the impossible (IMO) Realistically 10MHz channels will do a little better than 25Mbps. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 11:33 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] idea to slow the pain of netflix That's what I'm deploying once UBNT beamsteering is out. Currently using MT and Canopy. I'll have fiber injection at more than 5 places in the network (1/3 of the APs). Will do more when I finish a couple more fiber deals. I don't expect to surpass 30 - 40 subs per AP, 40 MHz channels in 5 GHz. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/18/2011 11:49 AM, Jerry Richardson wrote: As that what you are running? You have a fiber feed to every tower? What is your expected subs/AP? Are you running full wraps? Do you have additional spectrum to lean into when your current AP's max out? - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 9:46 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] idea to slow the pain of netflix Fiber and UBNT. Problem solved. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/18/2011 11:42 AM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Do you mind sharing with the rest of the class your design for supporting NetFlix? - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 9:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] idea to slow the pain of netflix I would rather partner with netflix. In fact, i would LOVE to. I have designed my network to handle it. My competition (wireless) can not handle the number of netflixers as I can. I need to leverage that ability. The best way would be to have some kind of deal where I can say $$/mo and free netflix, since people ARE going to use it any how. At least with that kind of arrangement I can use some less quality bandwidth to feed it, keeping the quality bandwidth that costs so much more out here, for the gamers and surfing. On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 8:01 AM, support supp...@nitline.commailto:supp...@nitline.com wrote: has anyone ever tried to partner with blockbuster say something like if you have a 1Mps service for $39.95 but then partner with the local blockbuster then have 1Mps premier service for $49.95 includes deals at block buster $5 would go to blockbuster a extra $5 would go to the WISP blockbuster gets more business people watch less netflix seems like a win win Please give your input Thanks -- Tim Steele supp...@nitline.commailto:supp...@nitline.com NITLine Support (574) 772-7550 ext 103 www.NITLine.nethttp://www.NITLine.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.comhttp://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3387 - Release Date: 01/17/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] idea to slow the pain of netflix
if your using 40mhz I sure hope you are upgrading to the new GPS units On 1/18/2011 2:04 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: PtP is a whole different ballgame I hope you are right. I would love to hear a success story in the face of this onslaught of bandwidth consumption. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 11:58 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] idea to slow the pain of netflix I haven't had issues with 40 MHz not passing 130 megabit on PtP. Remember that with the beamsteering, noise should be reduced as well. Having 8 dB more gain and reduced noise can only help immensely in a PtMP environment over standard sectors. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/18/2011 1:51 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: If you can get your network running on 40MHz channels you will have done the impossible (IMO) Realistically 10MHz channels will do a little better than 25Mbps. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 11:33 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] idea to slow the pain of netflix That's what I'm deploying once UBNT beamsteering is out. Currently using MT and Canopy. I'll have fiber injection at more than 5 places in the network (1/3 of the APs). Will do more when I finish a couple more fiber deals. I don't expect to surpass 30 - 40 subs per AP, 40 MHz channels in 5 GHz. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/18/2011 11:49 AM, Jerry Richardson wrote: As that what you are running? You have a fiber feed to every tower? What is your expected subs/AP? Are you running full wraps? Do you have additional spectrum to lean into when your current AP's max out? - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 9:46 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] idea to slow the pain of netflix Fiber and UBNT. Problem solved. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/18/2011 11:42 AM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Do you mind sharing with the rest of the class your design for supporting NetFlix? - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 9:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] idea to slow the pain of netflix I would rather partner with netflix. In fact, i would LOVE to. I have designed my network to handle it. My competition (wireless) can not handle the number of netflixers as I can. I need to leverage that ability. The best way would be to have some kind of deal where I can say $$/mo and free netflix, since people ARE going to use it any how. At least with that kind of arrangement I can use some less quality bandwidth to feed it, keeping the quality bandwidth that costs so much more out here, for the gamers and surfing. On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 8:01 AM, supportsupp...@nitline.commailto:supp...@nitline.com wrote: has anyone ever tried to partner with blockbuster say something like if you have a 1Mps service for $39.95 but then partner with the local blockbuster then have 1Mps premier service for $49.95 includes deals at block buster $5 would go to blockbuster a extra $5 would go to the WISP blockbuster gets more business people watch less netflix seems like a win win Please give your input Thanks -- Tim Steele supp...@nitline.commailto:supp...@nitline.com NITLine Support (574) 772-7550 ext 103 www.NITLine.nethttp://www.NITLine.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.comhttp://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3387 - Release Date: 01/17/11 WISPA Wants You! Join
Re: [WISPA] idea to slow the pain of netflix
GPS will be available before the beamsteering units, and yes, I'll be using GPS. You'd be a fool not to. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/18/2011 2:07 PM, support wrote: if your using 40mhz I sure hope you are upgrading to the new GPS units On 1/18/2011 2:04 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: PtP is a whole different ballgame I hope you are right. I would love to hear a success story in the face of this onslaught of bandwidth consumption. - Jerry From:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 11:58 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] idea to slow the pain of netflix I haven't had issues with 40 MHz not passing 130 megabit on PtP. Remember that with the beamsteering, noise should be reduced as well. Having 8 dB more gain and reduced noise can only help immensely in a PtMP environment over standard sectors. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/18/2011 1:51 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: If you can get your network running on 40MHz channels you will have done the impossible (IMO) Realistically 10MHz channels will do a little better than 25Mbps. - Jerry From:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 11:33 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] idea to slow the pain of netflix That's what I'm deploying once UBNT beamsteering is out. Currently using MT and Canopy. I'll have fiber injection at more than 5 places in the network (1/3 of the APs). Will do more when I finish a couple more fiber deals. I don't expect to surpass 30 - 40 subs per AP, 40 MHz channels in 5 GHz. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/18/2011 11:49 AM, Jerry Richardson wrote: As that what you are running? You have a fiber feed to every tower? What is your expected subs/AP? Are you running full wraps? Do you have additional spectrum to lean into when your current AP's max out? - Jerry From:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 9:46 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] idea to slow the pain of netflix Fiber and UBNT. Problem solved. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/18/2011 11:42 AM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Do you mind sharing with the rest of the class your design for supporting NetFlix? - Jerry From:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 9:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] idea to slow the pain of netflix I would rather partner with netflix. In fact, i would LOVE to. I have designed my network to handle it. My competition (wireless) can not handle the number of netflixers as I can. I need to leverage that ability. The best way would be to have some kind of deal where I can say $$/mo and free netflix, since people ARE going to use it any how. At least with that kind of arrangement I can use some less quality bandwidth to feed it, keeping the quality bandwidth that costs so much more out here, for the gamers and surfing. On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 8:01 AM, supportsupp...@nitline.commailto:supp...@nitline.com wrote: has anyone ever tried to partner with blockbuster say something like if you have a 1Mps service for $39.95 but then partner with the local blockbuster then have 1Mps premier service for $49.95 includes deals at block buster $5 would go to blockbuster a extra $5 would go to the WISP blockbuster gets more business people watch less netflix seems like a win win Please give your input Thanks -- Tim Steele supp...@nitline.commailto:supp...@nitline.com NITLine Support (574) 772-7550 ext 103 www.NITLine.nethttp://www.NITLine.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG
[WISPA] SR9 Available
Anyone know of a supplier with SR9 cards in stock? -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] idea to slow the pain of netflix
Without strict NetNeutrality laws, WISPs would have the flexibilty and leverage to make those kind of deals, for mutual benefit of both parties. However, not sure its cost effective to encourage increased Video usage for just $5 per month. I remember a tradeshow Session with CWLAbs on VOIP like 6 years ago or so, where one of the messages was sure VOIP could be done over wireless 802.11b reliably, but the trade off was that to keep latency where it needed to be, a WISP would only being able to serve 5x less customers per sector. So... sell broadband with 50cust per sector, or 10 custoemrs per sector with VOIP. Sure sectors were 3mb back then and not 30mb, but the point still applies. A 40k stream compared to 1.5mb video stream. If a WISP had a market with only 30 homes within range of a sector, and the sectors were LOS with 30mbps +, sure maybe encouraging video Might be OK. But I'd argue that most markets are larger than that, and most markets dont have all LOS customers. At the end of the day, ability to scale is reduced. Trading $5 block buster revenue for a loss of several a $40/mon sub, when doing the math on capacity usage. The only way I'd justify a BlockBuster type partner ship would be if it was charging pr mb of transfer, where maybe each video rental was $5, and each party got $2.50 per movie rental. Over the month, the revenue would then be more attractive. But then, why even bother to partner? Why not do the math to deterine how much bandwdith a single movie download takes, and then jsut automatically charge your customer that fee, and sell plans with per mb billing. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: support supp...@nitline.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 11:01 AM Subject: [WISPA] idea to slow the pain of netflix has anyone ever tried to partner with blockbuster say something like if you have a 1Mps service for $39.95 but then partner with the local blockbuster then have 1Mps premier service for $49.95 includes deals at block buster $5 would go to blockbuster a extra $5 would go to the WISP blockbuster gets more business people watch less netflix seems like a win win Please give your input Thanks -- Tim Steele supp...@nitline.com NITLine Support (574) 772-7550 ext 103 www.NITLine.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Ubnt_users] NS5 issues?
If you haven't seen Ubiquiti has released the non-beta 5.3 firmware 7782 for it's M series equipment. http://www.ubnt.com/support/downloads Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Ubnt_users] NS5 issues?
5.5 with full VLAN support soon to follow 8-) On 1/18/2011 4:45 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote: If you haven't seen Ubiquiti has released the non-beta 5.3 firmware 7782 for it's M series equipment. http://www.ubnt.com/support/downloads Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Tim Steele supp...@nitline.com NITLine Support (574) 772-7550 ext 103 www.NITLine.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Ubnt_users] NS5 issues?
Be aware that the xmas firmware was not compatible (at least for me) with radios running 5.3f7782! Thank goodness I was was able to see both ends of the PtP shot! ryan On Jan 18, 2011, at 2:45 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote: If you haven't seen Ubiquiti has released the non-beta 5.3 firmware 7782 for it's M series equipment. http://www.ubnt.com/support/downloads Forbes ___ Ubnt_users mailing list ubnt_us...@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Ubnt_users] NS5 issues?
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 16:45, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.comwrote: If you haven't seen Ubiquiti has released the non-beta 5.3 firmware 7782 for it's M series equipment. What's the best source for updated documentation and explanation? This firmware has some new checkboxes that aren't yet in their wiki (what are AirSelect and AirControl? I assume they're shiny new proprietary stuff, but specifics would be great) (I'd love to rant here about how vendors need to spend a bit more time on documentation, but I'm numb at this point, pretty much every major vendor in my network does the same thing.) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Ubnt_users] NS5 issues?
Airselect is channel hopping.Aircontrol is the ubnt management software. Sent from my BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: David E. Smith d...@mvn.net Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 17:11:48 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Ubnt_users] NS5 issues? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Ubnt_users] NS5 issues?
Not in a good format, but I think everything has been hashed out on their forums. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/18/2011 5:11 PM, David E. Smith wrote: On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 16:45, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com mailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com wrote: If you haven't seen Ubiquiti has released the non-beta 5.3 firmware 7782 for it's M series equipment. What's the best source for updated documentation and explanation? This firmware has some new checkboxes that aren't yet in their wiki (what are AirSelect and AirControl? I assume they're shiny new proprietary stuff, but specifics would be great) (I'd love to rant here about how vendors need to spend a bit more time on documentation, but I'm numb at this point, pretty much every major vendor in my network does the same thing.) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Ubnt_users] NS5 issues?
On Jan 18, 2011, at 6:38 PM, Ryan Spott wrote: Be aware that the xmas firmware was not compatible (at least for me) with radios running 5.3f7782! They let the programmers have too much eggnog. Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] 2.4 foliage propagation
I know it sucks compared to lower frequencies. I know it typically has a high noise floor. I've never used it outdoor for real world experience. I'm looking at some small towns and other groups of houses with no more than 300 people or so (some much smaller). They are old, so they have adult trees. Is it reasonable to expect to be able to service these homes with 18 dBi at the CPE and 20 dB at the tower? -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 2.4 foliage propagation
Works for me. On Jan 18, 2011 7:47 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: I know it sucks compared to lower frequencies. I know it typically has a high noise floor. I've never used it outdoor for real world experience. I'm looking at some small towns and other groups of houses with no more than 300 people or so (some much smaller). They are old, so they have adult trees. Is it reasonable to expect to be able to service these homes with 18 dBi at the CPE and 20 dB at the tower? -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 2.4 foliage propagation
From what I hear MIMO 2.4 has some decent penetration abilities. Have not tried it myself Jerry Richardson Sent Mobile On Jan 18, 2011, at 4:47 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: I know it sucks compared to lower frequencies. I know it typically has a high noise floor. I've never used it outdoor for real world experience. I'm looking at some small towns and other groups of houses with no more than 300 people or so (some much smaller). They are old, so they have adult trees. Is it reasonable to expect to be able to service these homes with 18 dBi at the CPE and 20 dB at the tower? -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 2.4 foliage propagation
On 1/18/2011 4:46 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: I know it sucks compared to lower frequencies. Yes I know it typically has a high noise floor. Foliage doesn't create noise, only attenuates signal. I've never used it outdoor for real world experience. I'm looking at some small towns and other groups of houses with no more than 300 people or so (some much smaller). They are old, so they have adult trees. Is it reasonable to expect to be able to service these homes with 18 dBi at the CPE and 20 dB at the tower? ERP or transmit power? Plan to mount all your antennas (AP and CPE) above the trees or else... -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author (2003) - Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks Serving the WISP, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 2.4 foliage propagation
Well, no, the foliage doesn't make noise, but everything in Wal-Mart has a 2.4 Ghz transmitter in it now. Those are antenna gains. Radios would be up to 20 or so. Tower most likely would be above the trees, but the CPE surely wouldn't. If the CPE were above the trees, then I'd just use 5 gig and above the noise\limited spectrum. I wouldn't imagine I'd have to go more than a half mile between the start of trees and the CPE. It wouldn't be a half mile of forest, though. Houses, roads, yards, etc. in those trees. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/18/2011 6:55 PM, Jack Unger wrote: On 1/18/2011 4:46 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: I know it sucks compared to lower frequencies. Yes I know it typically has a high noise floor. Foliage doesn't create noise, only attenuates signal. I've never used it outdoor for real world experience. I'm looking at some small towns and other groups of houses with no more than 300 people or so (some much smaller). They are old, so they have adult trees. Is it reasonable to expect to be able to service these homes with 18 dBi at the CPE and 20 dB at the tower? ERP or transmit power? Plan to mount all your antennas (AP and CPE) above the trees or else... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 2.4 foliage propagation
Why not 900MHz UBNT? Should be able to run 10MHz channels and deliver 20Mbps - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 5:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2.4 foliage propagation Well, no, the foliage doesn't make noise, but everything in Wal-Mart has a 2.4 Ghz transmitter in it now. Those are antenna gains. Radios would be up to 20 or so. Tower most likely would be above the trees, but the CPE surely wouldn't. If the CPE were above the trees, then I'd just use 5 gig and above the noise\limited spectrum. I wouldn't imagine I'd have to go more than a half mile between the start of trees and the CPE. It wouldn't be a half mile of forest, though. Houses, roads, yards, etc. in those trees. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/18/2011 6:55 PM, Jack Unger wrote: On 1/18/2011 4:46 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: I know it sucks compared to lower frequencies. Yes I know it typically has a high noise floor. Foliage doesn't create noise, only attenuates signal. I've never used it outdoor for real world experience. I'm looking at some small towns and other groups of houses with no more than 300 people or so (some much smaller). They are old, so they have adult trees. Is it reasonable to expect to be able to service these homes with 18 dBi at the CPE and 20 dB at the tower? ERP or transmit power? Plan to mount all your antennas (AP and CPE) above the trees or else... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.comhttp://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3388 - Release Date: 01/18/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 2.4 foliage propagation
It was said today it will be 5mhz channels. Are you sure about 10mhz? On Jan 18, 2011 8:21 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Why not 900MHz UBNT? Should be able to run 10MHz channels and deliver 20Mbps - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 5:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2.4 foliage propagation Well, no, the foliage doesn't make noise, but everything in Wal-Mart has a 2.4 Ghz transmitter in it now. Those are antenna gains. Radios would be up to 20 or so. Tower most likely would be above the trees, but the CPE surely wouldn't. If the CPE were above the trees, then I'd just use 5 gig and above the noise\limited spectrum. I wouldn't imagine I'd have to go more than a half mile between the start of trees and the CPE. It wouldn't be a half mile of forest, though. Houses, roads, yards, etc. in those trees. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/18/2011 6:55 PM, Jack Unger wrote: On 1/18/2011 4:46 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: I know it sucks compared to lower frequencies. Yes I know it typically has a high noise floor. Foliage doesn't create noise, only attenuates signal. I've never used it outdoor for real world experience. I'm looking at some small towns and other groups of houses with no more than 300 people or so (some much smaller). They are old, so they have adult trees. Is it reasonable to expect to be able to service these homes with 18 dBi at the CPE and 20 dB at the tower? ERP or transmit power? Plan to mount all your antennas (AP and CPE) above the trees or else... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.comhttp://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3388 - Release Date: 01/18/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 2.4 foliage propagation
For which product and where was it said? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/18/2011 7:24 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: It was said today it will be 5mhz channels. Are you sure about 10mhz? On Jan 18, 2011 8:21 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com mailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Why not 900MHz UBNT? Should be able to run 10MHz channels and deliver 20Mbps - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 5:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2.4 foliage propagation Well, no, the foliage doesn't make noise, but everything in Wal-Mart has a 2.4 Ghz transmitter in it now. Those are antenna gains. Radios would be up to 20 or so. Tower most likely would be above the trees, but the CPE surely wouldn't. If the CPE were above the trees, then I'd just use 5 gig and above the noise\limited spectrum. I wouldn't imagine I'd have to go more than a half mile between the start of trees and the CPE. It wouldn't be a half mile of forest, though. Houses, roads, yards, etc. in those trees. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/18/2011 6:55 PM, Jack Unger wrote: On 1/18/2011 4:46 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: I know it sucks compared to lower frequencies. Yes I know it typically has a high noise floor. Foliage doesn't create noise, only attenuates signal. I've never used it outdoor for real world experience. I'm looking at some small towns and other groups of houses with no more than 300 people or so (some much smaller). They are old, so they have adult trees. Is it reasonable to expect to be able to service these homes with 18 dBi at the CPE and 20 dB at the tower? ERP or transmit power? Plan to mount all your antennas (AP and CPE) above the trees or else... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.comhttp://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3388 - Release Date: 01/18/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 2.4 foliage propagation
Ubnt 900 Mhz. Either this list or the Moto list. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 8:27 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote: For which product and where was it said? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutionshttp://www.ics-il.com On 1/18/2011 7:24 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: It was said today it will be 5mhz channels. Are you sure about 10mhz? On Jan 18, 2011 8:21 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Why not 900MHz UBNT? Should be able to run 10MHz channels and deliver 20Mbps - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 5:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2.4 foliage propagation Well, no, the foliage doesn't make noise, but everything in Wal-Mart has a 2.4 Ghz transmitter in it now. Those are antenna gains. Radios would be up to 20 or so. Tower most likely would be above the trees, but the CPE surely wouldn't. If the CPE were above the trees, then I'd just use 5 gig and above the noise\limited spectrum. I wouldn't imagine I'd have to go more than a half mile between the start of trees and the CPE. It wouldn't be a half mile of forest, though. Houses, roads, yards, etc. in those trees. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/18/2011 6:55 PM, Jack Unger wrote: On 1/18/2011 4:46 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: I know it sucks compared to lower frequencies. Yes I know it typically has a high noise floor. Foliage doesn't create noise, only attenuates signal. I've never used it outdoor for real world experience. I'm looking at some small towns and other groups of houses with no more than 300 people or so (some much smaller). They are old, so they have adult trees. Is it reasonable to expect to be able to service these homes with 18 dBi at the CPE and 20 dB at the tower? ERP or transmit power? Plan to mount all your antennas (AP and CPE) above the trees or else... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.comhttp://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3388 - Release Date: 01/18/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 2.4 foliage propagation
I would be surprised if it was limited to 5MHz. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 5:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2.4 foliage propagation Ubnt 900 Mhz. Either this list or the Moto list. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 8:27 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netmailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: For which product and where was it said? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/18/2011 7:24 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: It was said today it will be 5mhz channels. Are you sure about 10mhz? On Jan 18, 2011 8:21 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.commailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Why not 900MHz UBNT? Should be able to run 10MHz channels and deliver 20Mbps - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 5:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2.4 foliage propagation Well, no, the foliage doesn't make noise, but everything in Wal-Mart has a 2.4 Ghz transmitter in it now. Those are antenna gains. Radios would be up to 20 or so. Tower most likely would be above the trees, but the CPE surely wouldn't. If the CPE were above the trees, then I'd just use 5 gig and above the noise\limited spectrum. I wouldn't imagine I'd have to go more than a half mile between the start of trees and the CPE. It wouldn't be a half mile of forest, though. Houses, roads, yards, etc. in those trees. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/18/2011 6:55 PM, Jack Unger wrote: On 1/18/2011 4:46 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: I know it sucks compared to lower frequencies. Yes I know it typically has a high noise floor. Foliage doesn't create noise, only attenuates signal. I've never used it outdoor for real world experience. I'm looking at some small towns and other groups of houses with no more than 300 people or so (some much smaller). They are old, so they have adult trees. Is it reasonable to expect to be able to service these homes with 18 dBi at the CPE and 20 dB at the tower? ERP or transmit power? Plan to mount all your antennas (AP and CPE) above the trees or else... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.comhttp://www.avg.comhttp://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3388 - Release Date: 01/18/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.comhttp://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3389 - Release Date: 01/18/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 2.4 foliage propagation
Wasn't any of the lists I'm on, must be on the AFMUG list. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/18/2011 7:45 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Ubnt 900 Mhz. Either this list or the Moto list. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 8:27 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: For which product and where was it said? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/18/2011 7:24 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: It was said today it will be 5mhz channels. Are you sure about 10mhz? On Jan 18, 2011 8:21 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com mailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Why not 900MHz UBNT? Should be able to run 10MHz channels and deliver 20Mbps - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 5:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2.4 foliage propagation Well, no, the foliage doesn't make noise, but everything in Wal-Mart has a 2.4 Ghz transmitter in it now. Those are antenna gains. Radios would be up to 20 or so. Tower most likely would be above the trees, but the CPE surely wouldn't. If the CPE were above the trees, then I'd just use 5 gig and above the noise\limited spectrum. I wouldn't imagine I'd have to go more than a half mile between the start of trees and the CPE. It wouldn't be a half mile of forest, though. Houses, roads, yards, etc. in those trees. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/18/2011 6:55 PM, Jack Unger wrote: On 1/18/2011 4:46 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: I know it sucks compared to lower frequencies. Yes I know it typically has a high noise floor. Foliage doesn't create noise, only attenuates signal. I've never used it outdoor for real world experience. I'm looking at some small towns and other groups of houses with no more than 300 people or so (some much smaller). They are old, so they have adult trees. Is it reasonable to expect to be able to service these homes with 18 dBi at the CPE and 20 dB at the tower? ERP or transmit power? Plan to mount all your antennas (AP and CPE) above the trees or else... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.comhttp://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3388 - Release Date: 01/18/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] 2.4 foliage propagation
Have you done a spectrum study on the towers to see what the noise floor is like? I have heard some say the Ubiquity MIMO stuff covers like 900 MHz in areas with reasonable noise levels. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 8:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2.4 foliage propagation Well, no, the foliage doesn't make noise, but everything in Wal-Mart has a 2.4 Ghz transmitter in it now. Those are antenna gains. Radios would be up to 20 or so. Tower most likely would be above the trees, but the CPE surely wouldn't. If the CPE were above the trees, then I'd just use 5 gig and above the noise\limited spectrum. I wouldn't imagine I'd have to go more than a half mile between the start of trees and the CPE. It wouldn't be a half mile of forest, though. Houses, roads, yards, etc. in those trees. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/18/2011 6:55 PM, Jack Unger wrote: On 1/18/2011 4:46 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: I know it sucks compared to lower frequencies. Yes I know it typically has a high noise floor. Foliage doesn't create noise, only attenuates signal. I've never used it outdoor for real world experience. I'm looking at some small towns and other groups of houses with no more than 300 people or so (some much smaller). They are old, so they have adult trees. Is it reasonable to expect to be able to service these homes with 18 dBi at the CPE and 20 dB at the tower? ERP or transmit power? Plan to mount all your antennas (AP and CPE) above the trees or else... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 2.4 foliage propagation
fromSolorza, Jaime solor...@tisd.us dateSun, Jan 16, 2011 at 11:54 PM subjectRE: [Motorola II] ubnt m900 radios 26MHz …four channels at 5Mhz is all they offer Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote: Wasn't any of the lists I'm on, must be on the AFMUG list. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutionshttp://www.ics-il.com On 1/18/2011 7:45 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Ubnt 900 Mhz. Either this list or the Moto list. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 8:27 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote: For which product and where was it said? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutionshttp://www.ics-il.com On 1/18/2011 7:24 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: It was said today it will be 5mhz channels. Are you sure about 10mhz? On Jan 18, 2011 8:21 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Why not 900MHz UBNT? Should be able to run 10MHz channels and deliver 20Mbps - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 5:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2.4 foliage propagation Well, no, the foliage doesn't make noise, but everything in Wal-Mart has a 2.4 Ghz transmitter in it now. Those are antenna gains. Radios would be up to 20 or so. Tower most likely would be above the trees, but the CPE surely wouldn't. If the CPE were above the trees, then I'd just use 5 gig and above the noise\limited spectrum. I wouldn't imagine I'd have to go more than a half mile between the start of trees and the CPE. It wouldn't be a half mile of forest, though. Houses, roads, yards, etc. in those trees. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/18/2011 6:55 PM, Jack Unger wrote: On 1/18/2011 4:46 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: I know it sucks compared to lower frequencies. Yes I know it typically has a high noise floor. Foliage doesn't create noise, only attenuates signal. I've never used it outdoor for real world experience. I'm looking at some small towns and other groups of houses with no more than 300 people or so (some much smaller). They are old, so they have adult trees. Is it reasonable to expect to be able to service these homes with 18 dBi at the CPE and 20 dB at the tower? ERP or transmit power? Plan to mount all your antennas (AP and CPE) above the trees or else... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.comhttp://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3388 - Release Date: 01/18/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!
Re: [WISPA] idea to slow the pain of netflix
The video will happen no matter what. Some of my areas I can do bit billing, some I can not (yet) and might not ever be able to (dsl at acceptable speeds). Packaging netflix (or any other in demand video product) will let me raise the price of that product. This would give me a foot for some other projects I am working on where I need a video product. If there were a cable co I could partner with that could allow me to stream just the OTA channels + 1 or 2 paid cable channels, I would be all over them. (Assuming it did not need a $50K up front fee, $400 STBs, etc). Netflix is on pretty much everything, 360s, PS3s, and now most new TV's even have it built in. On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 2:15 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: Without strict NetNeutrality laws, WISPs would have the flexibilty and leverage to make those kind of deals, for mutual benefit of both parties. However, not sure its cost effective to encourage increased Video usage for just $5 per month. I remember a tradeshow Session with CWLAbs on VOIP like 6 years ago or so, where one of the messages was sure VOIP could be done over wireless 802.11b reliably, but the trade off was that to keep latency where it needed to be, a WISP would only being able to serve 5x less customers per sector. So... sell broadband with 50cust per sector, or 10 custoemrs per sector with VOIP. Sure sectors were 3mb back then and not 30mb, but the point still applies. A 40k stream compared to 1.5mb video stream. If a WISP had a market with only 30 homes within range of a sector, and the sectors were LOS with 30mbps +, sure maybe encouraging video Might be OK. But I'd argue that most markets are larger than that, and most markets dont have all LOS customers. At the end of the day, ability to scale is reduced. Trading $5 block buster revenue for a loss of several a $40/mon sub, when doing the math on capacity usage. The only way I'd justify a BlockBuster type partner ship would be if it was charging pr mb of transfer, where maybe each video rental was $5, and each party got $2.50 per movie rental. Over the month, the revenue would then be more attractive. But then, why even bother to partner? Why not do the math to deterine how much bandwdith a single movie download takes, and then jsut automatically charge your customer that fee, and sell plans with per mb billing. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: support supp...@nitline.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 11:01 AM Subject: [WISPA] idea to slow the pain of netflix has anyone ever tried to partner with blockbuster say something like if you have a 1Mps service for $39.95 but then partner with the local blockbuster then have 1Mps premier service for $49.95 includes deals at block buster $5 would go to blockbuster a extra $5 would go to the WISP blockbuster gets more business people watch less netflix seems like a win win Please give your input Thanks -- Tim Steele supp...@nitline.com NITLine Support (574) 772-7550 ext 103 www.NITLine.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 2.4 foliage propagation
I haven't. I just spotted some areas as I drove past them today. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/18/2011 7:52 PM, Brian Webster wrote: Have you done a spectrum study on the towers to see what the noise floor is like? I have heard some say the Ubiquity MIMO stuff covers like 900 MHz in areas with reasonable noise levels. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 8:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2.4 foliage propagation Well, no, the foliage doesn't make noise, but everything in Wal-Mart has a 2.4 Ghz transmitter in it now. Those are antenna gains. Radios would be up to 20 or so. Tower most likely would be above the trees, but the CPE surely wouldn't. If the CPE were above the trees, then I'd just use 5 gig and above the noise\limited spectrum. I wouldn't imagine I'd have to go more than a half mile between the start of trees and the CPE. It wouldn't be a half mile of forest, though. Houses, roads, yards, etc. in those trees. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/18/2011 6:55 PM, Jack Unger wrote: On 1/18/2011 4:46 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: I know it sucks compared to lower frequencies. Yes I know it typically has a high noise floor. Foliage doesn't create noise, only attenuates signal. I've never used it outdoor for real world experience. I'm looking at some small towns and other groups of houses with no more than 300 people or so (some much smaller). They are old, so they have adult trees. Is it reasonable to expect to be able to service these homes with 18 dBi at the CPE and 20 dB at the tower? ERP or transmit power? Plan to mount all your antennas (AP and CPE) above the trees or else... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 2.4 foliage propagation
Actually there are 8 channels, You can enable channel shifting to achieve the alternate channels. Similar to the channel shifting on the other AirMax equipment. Bobby On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 7:54 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: from Solorza, Jaime solor...@tisd.us date Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 11:54 PM subject RE: [Motorola II] ubnt m900 radios 26MHz …four channels at 5Mhz is all they offer Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Wasn't any of the lists I'm on, must be on the AFMUG list. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/18/2011 7:45 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Ubnt 900 Mhz. Either this list or the Moto list. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 8:27 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: For which product and where was it said? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/18/2011 7:24 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: It was said today it will be 5mhz channels. Are you sure about 10mhz? On Jan 18, 2011 8:21 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Why not 900MHz UBNT? Should be able to run 10MHz channels and deliver 20Mbps - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 5:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2.4 foliage propagation Well, no, the foliage doesn't make noise, but everything in Wal-Mart has a 2.4 Ghz transmitter in it now. Those are antenna gains. Radios would be up to 20 or so. Tower most likely would be above the trees, but the CPE surely wouldn't. If the CPE were above the trees, then I'd just use 5 gig and above the noise\limited spectrum. I wouldn't imagine I'd have to go more than a half mile between the start of trees and the CPE. It wouldn't be a half mile of forest, though. Houses, roads, yards, etc. in those trees. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/18/2011 6:55 PM, Jack Unger wrote: On 1/18/2011 4:46 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: I know it sucks compared to lower frequencies. Yes I know it typically has a high noise floor. Foliage doesn't create noise, only attenuates signal. I've never used it outdoor for real world experience. I'm looking at some small towns and other groups of houses with no more than 300 people or so (some much smaller). They are old, so they have adult trees. Is it reasonable to expect to be able to service these homes with 18 dBi at the CPE and 20 dB at the tower? ERP or transmit power? Plan to mount all your antennas (AP and CPE) above the trees or else... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.comhttp://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3388 - Release Date: 01/18/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA
Re: [WISPA] SR9 Available
If you can't find a supplier, have 2 - 4 with light use would be happy to let go. hit me off list Scott Piehn JCWIFI.com Division Manager Computer Dynamics 451 W. South St Freeport, IL 61032 spi...@computerdyn.com V 815.233.2641 F 815.233.6225 - Original Message - From: Scott Reed sr...@nwwnet.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 2:31 PM Subject: [WISPA] SR9 Available Anyone know of a supplier with SR9 cards in stock? -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 2.4 foliage propagation
What's the latest delivery estimate on the beam shaping antennas. Don't worry I can add the customary 3 months to whatever date is being thrown around. Sent from my iPhone4 On Jan 18, 2011, at 9:07 PM, Bobby Burrow bo...@burrow.com wrote: Actually there are 8 channels, You can enable channel shifting to achieve the alternate channels. Similar to the channel shifting on the other AirMax equipment. Bobby On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 7:54 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: fromSolorza, Jaime solor...@tisd.us dateSun, Jan 16, 2011 at 11:54 PM subjectRE: [Motorola II] ubnt m900 radios 26MHz …four channels at 5Mhz is all they offer Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Wasn't any of the lists I'm on, must be on the AFMUG list. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/18/2011 7:45 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Ubnt 900 Mhz. Either this list or the Moto list. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 8:27 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: For which product and where was it said? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/18/2011 7:24 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: It was said today it will be 5mhz channels. Are you sure about 10mhz? On Jan 18, 2011 8:21 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Why not 900MHz UBNT? Should be able to run 10MHz channels and deliver 20Mbps - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 5:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2.4 foliage propagation Well, no, the foliage doesn't make noise, but everything in Wal-Mart has a 2.4 Ghz transmitter in it now. Those are antenna gains. Radios would be up to 20 or so. Tower most likely would be above the trees, but the CPE surely wouldn't. If the CPE were above the trees, then I'd just use 5 gig and above the noise\limited spectrum. I wouldn't imagine I'd have to go more than a half mile between the start of trees and the CPE. It wouldn't be a half mile of forest, though. Houses, roads, yards, etc. in those trees. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/18/2011 6:55 PM, Jack Unger wrote: On 1/18/2011 4:46 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: I know it sucks compared to lower frequencies. Yes I know it typically has a high noise floor. Foliage doesn't create noise, only attenuates signal. I've never used it outdoor for real world experience. I'm looking at some small towns and other groups of houses with no more than 300 people or so (some much smaller). They are old, so they have adult trees. Is it reasonable to expect to be able to service these homes with 18 dBi at the CPE and 20 dB at the tower? ERP or transmit power? Plan to mount all your antennas (AP and CPE) above the trees or else... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.comhttp://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3388 - Release Date: 01/18/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
