[WISPA] looking for radio cards...

2011-03-04 Thread Blair Davis


  
  
I am looking for an inexpensive 802.11G mini-PCI radio card with an
MMCX jack and a power output of 200-500mW (23-27db)

These will be for use in a RB133C3 to replace a Tranzeo CPE-200-19
radio board.

I know about the XR2 at about $95 each
I know about the F20 at about $60 each

Does anyone know of any other choices?

Thanks.
  




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Re: [WISPA] looking for radio cards...

2011-03-04 Thread Josh Luthman
r52hn has good tx power, too.  Way cheaper.

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On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 3:02 AM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote:

  I am looking for an inexpensive 802.11G mini-PCI radio card with an MMCX
 jack and a power output of 200-500mW  (23-27db)

 These will be for use in a RB133C3 to replace a Tranzeo CPE-200-19 radio
 board.

 I know about the XR2 at about $95 each
 I know about the F20 at about $60 each

 Does anyone know of any other choices?

 Thanks.




 
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Re: [WISPA] looking for radio cards...

2011-03-04 Thread LaRoy McCann

http://www.balticnetworks.com/r52hn-802-11a-b-g-n-320mw-minipci-card-with-mmcx-connectors.html

On 3/4/2011 2:02 AM, Blair Davis wrote:
I am looking for an inexpensive 802.11G mini-PCI radio card with an 
MMCX jack and a power output of 200-500mW  (23-27db)


These will be for use in a RB133C3 to replace a Tranzeo CPE-200-19 
radio board.


I know about the XR2 at about $95 each
I know about the F20 at about $60 each

Does anyone know of any other choices?

Thanks.

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Re: [WISPA] Service request

2011-03-04 Thread Mark Nash

I grew up in LA... I didn't know the street names went that low!!! :)

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110 East 9th Street x-apple-data-detectors://0 LA CA 90079 
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Who can hit this address? 110 East 9th Street

Looking for bus class alternative to dsl.

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Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

2011-03-04 Thread Kevin Sullivan
I guess the biggest question in my mind is whether most WISPs would need a 
non-standard 24v or 48v out. At the last Ubiquiti conference they mentioned 
that their newest line of AirBeam APs will be running 48v. Obviously their 
current line is 24v, as is Trango and Tranzeo. Moto needs the GPS sync signal, 
so this wouldn't work for that.
 Also, would most people use DC or A/C to power the device? If DC, 24 or 
48v?
I talked it over with our electrical engineer, and he says the $450 number 
is what it would cost in the three-four quantity we had been discussing. In a 
batch of 100, the price would be closer to $250. Is that more appealing?

Thanks!
Kevin

  - Original Message - 
  From: Brad Belton 
  To: 'WISPA General List' 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 7:38 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch


  Hello Kevin,

   

  I'd be interested depending on how many ports you think this device would 
have.  It seems 12 ports would be a good compromise.  If a HUB site requires 
more than 12 ports then that site should easily justify another $450 in 
equipment, IMO.

   

  Would surge suppression be included similar to whatever basic surge 
suppression is found in today's PoE's?  

   

  24VDC output would probably be our preference too.  Are you saying the DC 
input would be adjustable or are you looking for a consensus?

   

  1U shallow depth rack mount is pretty much a requirement for us.

   

  Keep us posted.

   

  Best,

   

   

  Brad

   

   

   

  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Kevin Sullivan
  Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 5:24 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

   

  So... we're most of the way through a mid-span design similar to what people 
are outlining here. Right now it's only non-standard POE, though. No 802.3. 
Again, we were only going to build three, for our own use. If we sold something 
that was:

   

  Remote on/off per port

  Auto-ping reboot per port

  Dual-power supply, with notification on fail

  DC powered, either 12, 24, or 48v

  The one we are working on is 24v output only

  1u rackmount or small form factor wall mountable

  SNMP for reboot, voltage monitoring, input monitoring

   

  We figured if it's a DC device, we can plug it into 110v easily with a 
transformer.

   

  If it was $450, would anyone buy them? Actually, what I really need to know 
is, would we be able to get rid of 90 of them? We'd have to make a batch of 
100, and we could use 10.  We'd get them back from the PCB manufacturer mid-May.

   

  Kevin

- Original Message - 

From: Mark Nash 

To: WISPA General List 

Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 8:53 AM

Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

 

I may be off here from the majority, but I don't want a switch.  I want to 
be able to put these onto router ports as well as switch ports.

I just want a rackmount multiport passive PoE controller, manageable per 
port with autoping and redundant power supplies.  Is that so much to ask for??? 
;)

On 2/25/2011 9:42 PM, Brad Belton wrote: 

Once they add remote management, redundant power supplies and a Auto-Ping 
feature they'll have a winner.

Best,

Brad

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 11:29 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

Just put in a 12 port 24V version of this for a UniFi WLAN. Worked 
flawlessly. 

Powered the UBNT PB5 on one of the ports too.

- Jerry

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Nick
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 8:45 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-NCMS312-18eq=Tp=


On 2/25/2011 5:52 PM, Jason Bailey wrote: 

  Anyone have a good vendor for a rackmount poe switch for ubnt 
gear?Getting kinda messy with all the zip-ties and double-sided tape ;)  
Thanks!  Jason
 


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Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

2011-03-04 Thread Mark Nash

Yes, better.  At this time, we only use AC to power devices.

Also I didn't see a web interface or cli on your list of features...

Also also, number of ports should = 12

At $250, depending on features when it actually hit the street, we would 
take about 20.


On 3/4/2011 10:56 AM, Kevin Sullivan wrote:
I guess the biggest question in my mind is whether most WISPs would 
need a non-standard 24v or 48v out. At the last Ubiquiti conference 
they mentioned that their newest line of AirBeam APs will be running 
48v. Obviously their current line is 24v, as is Trango and Tranzeo. 
Moto needs the GPS sync signal, so this wouldn't work for that.
 Also, would most people use DC or A/C to power the device? If DC, 
24 or 48v?
I talked it over with our electrical engineer, and he says the 
$450 number is what it would cost in the three-four quantity we had 
been discussing. In a batch of 100, the price would be closer to $250. 
Is that more appealing?

Thanks!
Kevin

- Original Message -
*From:* Brad Belton mailto:b...@belwave.com
*To:* 'WISPA General List' mailto:wireless@wispa.org
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 02, 2011 7:38 PM
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

Hello Kevin,

I'd be interested depending on how many ports you think this
device would have.  It seems 12 ports would be a good compromise. 
If a HUB site requires more than 12 ports then that site should

easily justify another $450 in equipment, IMO.

Would surge suppression be included similar to whatever basic
surge suppression is found in today's PoE's?

24VDC output would probably be our preference too.  Are you saying
the DC input would be adjustable or are you looking for a consensus?

1U shallow depth rack mount is pretty much a requirement for us.

Keep us posted...

Best,

Brad

*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Kevin Sullivan
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 02, 2011 5:24 PM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

So... we're most of the way through a mid-span design similar to
what people are outlining here. Right now it's only non-standard
POE, though. No 802.3. Again, we were only going to build three,
for our own use. If we sold something that was:

Remote on/off per port

Auto-ping reboot per port

Dual-power supply, with notification on fail

DC powered, either 12, 24, or 48v

The one we are working on is 24v output only

1u rackmount or small form factor wall mountable

SNMP for reboot, voltage monitoring, input monitoring

We figured if it's a DC device, we can plug it into 110v easily
with a transformer.

If it was $450, would anyone buy them? Actually, what I really
need to know is, would we be able to get rid of 90 of them? We'd
have to make a batch of 100, and we could use 10.  We'd get them
back from the PCB manufacturer mid-May.

Kevin

- Original Message -

*From:*Mark Nash mailto:markl...@uwol.net

*To:*WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org

*Sent:*Monday, February 28, 2011 8:53 AM

*Subject:*Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

I may be off here from the majority, but I don't want a
switch.  I want to be able to put these onto router ports as
well as switch ports.

I just want a rackmount multiport passive PoE controller,
manageable per port with autoping and redundant power
supplies.  Is that so much to ask for??? ;)

On 2/25/2011 9:42 PM, Brad Belton wrote:

Once they add remote management, redundant power supplies and
a Auto-Ping feature they'll have a winner.

Best,

Brad

*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org
mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Jerry
Richardson
*Sent:* Friday, February 25, 2011 11:29 PM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

Just put in a 12 port 24V version of this for a UniFi WLAN.
Worked flawlessly.

Powered the UBNT PB5 on one of the ports too.

- Jerry

*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org
mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Nick
*Sent:* Friday, February 25, 2011 8:45 PM
*To:* wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-NCMS312-18eq=Tp= 
http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-NCMS312-18eq=Tp=


On 2/25/2011 5:52 PM, Jason Bailey wrote:

Anyone have a good vendor for a rackmount poe switch for ubnt
gear?Getting kinda messy with all the zip-ties and
double-sided tape ;)  

Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

2011-03-04 Thread Cameron Crum
I think every device I ever used on a tower was DC powered. I'd vote for DC
over cat-5.

Cameron

On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote:

  Yes, better.  At this time, we only use AC to power devices.

 Also I didn't see a web interface or cli on your list of features...

 Also also, number of ports should = 12

 At $250, depending on features when it actually hit the street, we would
 take about 20.


 On 3/4/2011 10:56 AM, Kevin Sullivan wrote:

 I guess the biggest question in my mind is whether most WISPs would need a
 non-standard 24v or 48v out. At the last Ubiquiti conference they mentioned
 that their newest line of AirBeam APs will be running 48v. Obviously their
 current line is 24v, as is Trango and Tranzeo. Moto needs the GPS sync
 signal, so this wouldn't work for that.
  Also, would most people use DC or A/C to power the device? If DC, 24
 or 48v?
 I talked it over with our electrical engineer, and he says the $450
 number is what it would cost in the three-four quantity we had been
 discussing. In a batch of 100, the price would be closer to $250. Is that
 more appealing?

 Thanks!
 Kevin


 - Original Message -
 *From:* Brad Belton b...@belwave.com
 *To:* 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 *Sent:* Wednesday, March 02, 2011 7:38 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

  Hello Kevin,



 I’d be interested depending on how many ports you think this device would
 have.  It seems 12 ports would be a good compromise.  If a HUB site requires
 more than 12 ports then that site should easily justify another $450 in
 equipment, IMO.



 Would surge suppression be included similar to whatever basic surge
 suppression is found in today’s PoE’s?



 24VDC output would probably be our preference too.  Are you saying the DC
 input would be adjustable or are you looking for a consensus?



 1U shallow depth rack mount is pretty much a requirement for us.



 Keep us posted…



 Best,





 Brad







 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
 [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgwireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 *On Behalf Of *Kevin Sullivan
 *Sent:* Wednesday, March 02, 2011 5:24 PM
 *To:* WISPA General List
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch



 So... we're most of the way through a mid-span design similar to what
 people are outlining here. Right now it's only non-standard POE, though. No
 802.3. Again, we were only going to build three, for our own use. If we sold
 something that was:



 Remote on/off per port

 Auto-ping reboot per port

 Dual-power supply, with notification on fail

 DC powered, either 12, 24, or 48v

 The one we are working on is 24v output only

 1u rackmount or small form factor wall mountable

 SNMP for reboot, voltage monitoring, input monitoring



 We figured if it's a DC device, we can plug it into 110v easily with a
 transformer.



 If it was $450, would anyone buy them? Actually, what I really need to know
 is, would we be able to get rid of 90 of them? We'd have to make a batch of
 100, and we could use 10.  We'd get them back from the PCB manufacturer
 mid-May.



 Kevin

  - Original Message -

 *From:* Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net

 *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org

 *Sent:* Monday, February 28, 2011 8:53 AM

 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch



 I may be off here from the majority, but I don't want a switch.  I want to
 be able to put these onto router ports as well as switch ports.

 I just want a rackmount multiport passive PoE controller, manageable per
 port with autoping and redundant power supplies.  Is that so much to ask
 for??? ;)

 On 2/25/2011 9:42 PM, Brad Belton wrote:

 Once they add remote management, redundant power supplies and a “Auto-Ping”
 feature they’ll have a winner.

 Best,

 Brad

 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
 [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgwireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 *On Behalf Of *Jerry Richardson
 *Sent:* Friday, February 25, 2011 11:29 PM
 *To:* WISPA General List
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

 Just put in a 12 port 24V version of this for a UniFi WLAN. Worked
 flawlessly.

 Powered the UBNT PB5 on one of the ports too.

 - Jerry

 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
 [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgwireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 *On Behalf Of *Nick
 *Sent:* Friday, February 25, 2011 8:45 PM
 *To:* wireless@wispa.org
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

 http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-NCMS312-18eq=Tp=


 On 2/25/2011 5:52 PM, Jason Bailey wrote:

 Anyone have a good vendor for a rackmount poe switch for ubnt gear?Getting
 kinda messy with all the zip-ties and double-sided tape ;)  Thanks!  Jason









 

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Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

2011-03-04 Thread Mark Nash

Important to establish what we're talking about...

We're talking about powering the rackmount PoE device that will power 
all the other devices.  You're wanting that to be DC powered, Cameron?


On 3/4/2011 11:37 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
I think every device I ever used on a tower was DC powered. I'd vote 
for DC over cat-5.


Cameron

On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net 
mailto:markl...@uwol.net wrote:


Yes, better.  At this time, we only use AC to power devices.

Also I didn't see a web interface or cli on your list of features...

Also also, number of ports should = 12

At $250, depending on features when it actually hit the street, we
would take about 20.


On 3/4/2011 10:56 AM, Kevin Sullivan wrote:

I guess the biggest question in my mind is whether most WISPs
would need a non-standard 24v or 48v out. At the last Ubiquiti
conference they mentioned that their newest line of AirBeam APs
will be running 48v. Obviously their current line is 24v, as is
Trango and Tranzeo. Moto needs the GPS sync signal, so this
wouldn't work for that.
 Also, would most people use DC or A/C to power the device?
If DC, 24 or 48v?
I talked it over with our electrical engineer, and he says
the $450 number is what it would cost in the three-four quantity
we had been discussing. In a batch of 100, the price would be
closer to $250. Is that more appealing?
Thanks!
Kevin

- Original Message -
*From:* Brad Belton mailto:b...@belwave.com
*To:* 'WISPA General List' mailto:wireless@wispa.org
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 02, 2011 7:38 PM
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

Hello Kevin,

I’d be interested depending on how many ports you think this
device would have.  It seems 12 ports would be a good
compromise.  If a HUB site requires more than 12 ports then
that site should easily justify another $450 in equipment, IMO.

Would surge suppression be included similar to whatever basic
surge suppression is found in today’s PoE’s?

24VDC output would probably be our preference too.  Are you
saying the DC input would be adjustable or are you looking
for a consensus?

1U shallow depth rack mount is pretty much a requirement for us.

Keep us posted…

Best,

Brad

*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org
mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Kevin Sullivan
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 02, 2011 5:24 PM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

So... we're most of the way through a mid-span design similar
to what people are outlining here. Right now it's only
non-standard POE, though. No 802.3. Again, we were only going
to build three, for our own use. If we sold something that was:

Remote on/off per port

Auto-ping reboot per port

Dual-power supply, with notification on fail

DC powered, either 12, 24, or 48v

The one we are working on is 24v output only

1u rackmount or small form factor wall mountable

SNMP for reboot, voltage monitoring, input monitoring

We figured if it's a DC device, we can plug it into 110v
easily with a transformer.

If it was $450, would anyone buy them? Actually, what I
really need to know is, would we be able to get rid of 90 of
them? We'd have to make a batch of 100, and we could use 10. 
We'd get them back from the PCB manufacturer mid-May.


Kevin

- Original Message -

*From:*Mark Nash mailto:markl...@uwol.net

*To:*WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org

*Sent:*Monday, February 28, 2011 8:53 AM

*Subject:*Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

I may be off here from the majority, but I don't want a
switch.  I want to be able to put these onto router ports
as well as switch ports.

I just want a rackmount multiport passive PoE controller,
manageable per port with autoping and redundant power
supplies.  Is that so much to ask for??? ;)

On 2/25/2011 9:42 PM, Brad Belton wrote:

Once they add remote management, redundant power supplies
and a “Auto-Ping” feature they’ll have a winner.

Best,

Brad

*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org
mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Jerry
Richardson
*Sent:* Friday, February 25, 2011 11:29 PM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

Just put 

Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

2011-03-04 Thread Cameron Crum
Sorry...thought you meant devices on the tower, although an option for DC on
the POE device would be good too for remote sites with solar.

Cameron

On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 1:40 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote:

  Important to establish what we're talking about...

 We're talking about powering the rackmount PoE device that will power all
 the other devices.  You're wanting that to be DC powered, Cameron?


 On 3/4/2011 11:37 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:

 I think every device I ever used on a tower was DC powered. I'd vote for DC
 over cat-5.

 Cameron

 On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote:

  Yes, better.  At this time, we only use AC to power devices.

 Also I didn't see a web interface or cli on your list of features...

 Also also, number of ports should = 12

 At $250, depending on features when it actually hit the street, we would
 take about 20.


 On 3/4/2011 10:56 AM, Kevin Sullivan wrote:

 I guess the biggest question in my mind is whether most WISPs would need a
 non-standard 24v or 48v out. At the last Ubiquiti conference they mentioned
 that their newest line of AirBeam APs will be running 48v. Obviously their
 current line is 24v, as is Trango and Tranzeo. Moto needs the GPS sync
 signal, so this wouldn't work for that.
  Also, would most people use DC or A/C to power the device? If DC, 24
 or 48v?
 I talked it over with our electrical engineer, and he says the $450
 number is what it would cost in the three-four quantity we had been
 discussing. In a batch of 100, the price would be closer to $250. Is that
 more appealing?

 Thanks!
 Kevin


 - Original Message -
 *From:* Brad Belton b...@belwave.com
 *To:* 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 *Sent:* Wednesday, March 02, 2011 7:38 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

  Hello Kevin,



 I’d be interested depending on how many ports you think this device would
 have.  It seems 12 ports would be a good compromise.  If a HUB site requires
 more than 12 ports then that site should easily justify another $450 in
 equipment, IMO.



 Would surge suppression be included similar to whatever basic surge
 suppression is found in today’s PoE’s?



 24VDC output would probably be our preference too.  Are you saying the DC
 input would be adjustable or are you looking for a consensus?



 1U shallow depth rack mount is pretty much a requirement for us.



 Keep us posted…



 Best,





 Brad







 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
 [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgwireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 *On Behalf Of *Kevin Sullivan
 *Sent:* Wednesday, March 02, 2011 5:24 PM
 *To:* WISPA General List
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch



 So... we're most of the way through a mid-span design similar to what
 people are outlining here. Right now it's only non-standard POE, though. No
 802.3. Again, we were only going to build three, for our own use. If we sold
 something that was:



 Remote on/off per port

 Auto-ping reboot per port

 Dual-power supply, with notification on fail

 DC powered, either 12, 24, or 48v

 The one we are working on is 24v output only

 1u rackmount or small form factor wall mountable

 SNMP for reboot, voltage monitoring, input monitoring



 We figured if it's a DC device, we can plug it into 110v easily with a
 transformer.



 If it was $450, would anyone buy them? Actually, what I really need to
 know is, would we be able to get rid of 90 of them? We'd have to make a
 batch of 100, and we could use 10.  We'd get them back from the PCB
 manufacturer mid-May.



 Kevin

  - Original Message -

 *From:* Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net

 *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org

 *Sent:* Monday, February 28, 2011 8:53 AM

 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch



 I may be off here from the majority, but I don't want a switch.  I want to
 be able to put these onto router ports as well as switch ports.

 I just want a rackmount multiport passive PoE controller, manageable per
 port with autoping and redundant power supplies.  Is that so much to ask
 for??? ;)

 On 2/25/2011 9:42 PM, Brad Belton wrote:

 Once they add remote management, redundant power supplies and a
 “Auto-Ping” feature they’ll have a winner.

 Best,

 Brad

 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
 [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgwireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 *On Behalf Of *Jerry Richardson
 *Sent:* Friday, February 25, 2011 11:29 PM
 *To:* WISPA General List
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

 Just put in a 12 port 24V version of this for a UniFi WLAN. Worked
 flawlessly.

 Powered the UBNT PB5 on one of the ports too.

 - Jerry

 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
 [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgwireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 *On Behalf Of *Nick
 *Sent:* Friday, February 25, 2011 8:45 PM
 *To:* wireless@wispa.org
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

 

Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

2011-03-04 Thread Kevin Sullivan
It'd have a web interface with SNMP support. Yeah, 12 port.

Kevin
  - Original Message - 
  From: Mark Nash 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 11:33 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch


  Yes, better.  At this time, we only use AC to power devices.

  Also I didn't see a web interface or cli on your list of features...

  Also also, number of ports should = 12

  At $250, depending on features when it actually hit the street, we would take 
about 20.

  On 3/4/2011 10:56 AM, Kevin Sullivan wrote: 
I guess the biggest question in my mind is whether most WISPs would need a 
non-standard 24v or 48v out. At the last Ubiquiti conference they mentioned 
that their newest line of AirBeam APs will be running 48v. Obviously their 
current line is 24v, as is Trango and Tranzeo. Moto needs the GPS sync signal, 
so this wouldn't work for that.
 Also, would most people use DC or A/C to power the device? If DC, 24 
or 48v?
I talked it over with our electrical engineer, and he says the $450 
number is what it would cost in the three-four quantity we had been discussing. 
In a batch of 100, the price would be closer to $250. Is that more appealing?

Thanks!
Kevin

  - Original Message - 
  From: Brad Belton 
  To: 'WISPA General List' 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 7:38 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch


  Hello Kevin,



  I'd be interested depending on how many ports you think this device would 
have.  It seems 12 ports would be a good compromise.  If a HUB site requires 
more than 12 ports then that site should easily justify another $450 in 
equipment, IMO.



  Would surge suppression be included similar to whatever basic surge 
suppression is found in today's PoE's?  



  24VDC output would probably be our preference too.  Are you saying the DC 
input would be adjustable or are you looking for a consensus?



  1U shallow depth rack mount is pretty much a requirement for us.



  Keep us posted.



  Best,





  Brad







  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Kevin Sullivan
  Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 5:24 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch



  So... we're most of the way through a mid-span design similar to what 
people are outlining here. Right now it's only non-standard POE, though. No 
802.3. Again, we were only going to build three, for our own use. If we sold 
something that was:



  Remote on/off per port

  Auto-ping reboot per port

  Dual-power supply, with notification on fail

  DC powered, either 12, 24, or 48v

  The one we are working on is 24v output only

  1u rackmount or small form factor wall mountable

  SNMP for reboot, voltage monitoring, input monitoring



  We figured if it's a DC device, we can plug it into 110v easily with a 
transformer.



  If it was $450, would anyone buy them? Actually, what I really need to 
know is, would we be able to get rid of 90 of them? We'd have to make a batch 
of 100, and we could use 10.  We'd get them back from the PCB manufacturer 
mid-May.



  Kevin

- Original Message - 

From: Mark Nash 

To: WISPA General List 

Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 8:53 AM

Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch



I may be off here from the majority, but I don't want a switch.  I want 
to be able to put these onto router ports as well as switch ports.

I just want a rackmount multiport passive PoE controller, manageable 
per port with autoping and redundant power supplies.  Is that so much to ask 
for??? ;)

On 2/25/2011 9:42 PM, Brad Belton wrote: 

Once they add remote management, redundant power supplies and a 
Auto-Ping feature they'll have a winner.

Best,

Brad

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 11:29 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

Just put in a 12 port 24V version of this for a UniFi WLAN. Worked 
flawlessly. 

Powered the UBNT PB5 on one of the ports too.

- Jerry

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Nick
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 8:45 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-NCMS312-18eq=Tp=


On 2/25/2011 5:52 PM, Jason Bailey wrote: 

  Anyone have a good vendor for a rackmount poe switch for ubnt 
gear?Getting kinda messy with all the zip-ties and double-sided tape ;)  
Thanks!  Jason
 



[WISPA] FS: TrangoLINK 45 (5.3, 5.4 and 5.8 LEGAL), Tranzeo Wimax Starter Kit

2011-03-04 Thread Randy Cosby

The Tranzeo 3.65 GHz WiMAX Starter Kit includes:

 * 1 - TR-WMX-365-pBS - The pico base station
 * 1 - 17dBi 24 degree panel antenna - The sector antenna for this 
set
 * 2 - TR-WMX-3-17 - Two CPE's
 * 1 - 3FT LMR cable - Cable for the base station
 * All power supplies and POE injectors

Normally $2300.  These are currently on promotional pricing for $1700.  
Great way to check out Wimax and see if it will work for you.

$800 OBO.  Paypal preferred.

I took it out of the box and did some tests in the lab, but decided to 
go another direction.  The kit is like new other than a few fingerprints!
I will also assist in registering for a base station location with the 
FCC, as I did that successfully, but never did install it.


I also have a pair of TrangoLink 45 backhaul radios for sale.

These are the external antenna model with dual external connectors 
(P-5055M-EXT-US)

These are the current models, not the older 5010M you see on Ebay from 
time to time.  Current WISP selling price from Trango for this radio 
model is $1750/pair.

TrangoLINK 45 is one of the few radios available that are FCC CERTIFIED 
FOR 5.3 and 5.4 with approved DFS and ATPC functionality.  Of course 
they also work in 5.8 frequencies at full power.   Both are used recent 
pulls, in working condition.

Asking $650 for a pair.

Email me off-list to make an offer.  Paypal preferred.

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[WISPA] Used Trango gear

2011-03-04 Thread Kevin Sullivan
We've got eighteen Trango 900 SU's, and two Trango 915. All working pulls. 
Anyone interested?

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[WISPA] OSPF Route Cost Calculations

2011-03-04 Thread Scott Reed
Does any one have a tool or guidelines for setting cost and priority on 
OSPF interfaces?
We had a link go down today.  OSPF did what it should, but it did not 
move to the preferred alternate route.  I got it there by changing some 
costs, but I need a way to get it right without needing a failure to 
tell me it is wrong.

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Re: [WISPA] Used Trango gear

2011-03-04 Thread Frank Crawford

How much?

On 3/4/2011 2:47 PM, Kevin Sullivan wrote:
We've got eighteen Trango 900 SU's, and two Trango 915. All working 
pulls. Anyone interested?

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[WISPA] Mounting on telephone pole

2011-03-04 Thread Scott Reed
I have a customer location where we have mounted the antenna on a 
satellite arm at the top of a 30' telephone pole.  We need some 
additional height to clear some nearby trees.  What is the best way to 
attach a 10' mast to the pole?  We will need to be able to rotate the 
mast to align the antenna.

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Re: [WISPA] Mounting on telephone pole

2011-03-04 Thread Blair Davis


  
  
Small wall or eve mounts...

On 3/4/2011 7:25 PM, Scott Reed wrote:

  I have a customer location where we have mounted the antenna on a 
satellite arm at the top of a 30' telephone pole.  We need some 
additional height to clear some nearby trees.  What is the best way to 
attach a 10' mast to the pole?  We will need to be able to rotate the 
mast to align the antenna.




  




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Re: [WISPA] OSPF Route Cost Calculations

2011-03-04 Thread Patrick Shoemaker
This is too general of a question to answer. What exactly was the 
problem you encountered?

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On 3/4/2011 7:08 PM, Scott Reed wrote:
 Does any one have a tool or guidelines for setting cost and priority on
 OSPF interfaces?
 We had a link go down today.  OSPF did what it should, but it did not
 move to the preferred alternate route.  I got it there by changing some
 costs, but I need a way to get it right without needing a failure to
 tell me it is wrong.




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Re: [WISPA] Mounting on telephone pole

2011-03-04 Thread Chris Hudson
I've ordered from Tessco a bracket that is designed for telephone poles, it has 
an all thread that goes all the way through the pole.

Scott Reed sr...@nwwnet.net wrote:

I have a customer location where we have mounted the antenna on a 
satellite arm at the top of a 30' telephone pole.  We need some 
additional height to clear some nearby trees.  What is the best way to 
attach a 10' mast to the pole?  We will need to be able to rotate the 
mast to align the antenna.

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Re: [WISPA] Mounting on telephone pole

2011-03-04 Thread Bill Gaylord
We have lag bolted the bracket that comes with many U-bolts to the 
pole.  It works pretty well, but most of the time we just drill through 
the pole and bolt the mast to it.  We have a 42ft bucket truck to reach 
the antenna.

Bill Gaylord, President
COLI Inc.

On 3/4/2011 8:03 PM, Chris Hudson wrote:
 I've ordered from Tessco a bracket that is designed for telephone poles, it 
 has an all thread that goes all the way through the pole.

 Scott Reedsr...@nwwnet.net  wrote:


 I have a customer location where we have mounted the antenna on a
 satellite arm at the top of a 30' telephone pole.  We need some
 additional height to clear some nearby trees.  What is the best way to
 attach a 10' mast to the pole?  We will need to be able to rotate the
 mast to align the antenna.

 -- 
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 Owner
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 Wireless Networking
 Network Design, Installation and Administration
 Mikrotik Advanced Certified
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Re: [WISPA] Mounting on telephone pole

2011-03-04 Thread chris
http://www.tessco.com/products/displayProducts.do?groupId=341subgroupId=45page=2

This is a link to the page on Tessco that has the pole mounts.

Chris

-Original Message- 
From: Chris Hudson
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 7:03 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mounting on telephone pole

I've ordered from Tessco a bracket that is designed for telephone poles, it 
has an all thread that goes all the way through the pole.

Scott Reed sr...@nwwnet.net wrote:

I have a customer location where we have mounted the antenna on a
satellite arm at the top of a 30' telephone pole.  We need some
additional height to clear some nearby trees.  What is the best way to
attach a 10' mast to the pole?  We will need to be able to rotate the
mast to align the antenna.

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Re: [WISPA] Service request

2011-03-04 Thread RickG
So did I and they do ;)
Besides growing up there, I also worked there as a Field Engineer for IBM
for nearly 10 years. Got to know every street like the back of my hand.
Especially the places not to go!

On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 11:27 AM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote:

  I grew up in LA... I didn't know the street names went that low!!! :)

 On 3/3/2011 5:01 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote:

 110 East 9th Street LA CA 90079

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Mar 3, 2011, at 4:59 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com
 wrote:

  Who can hit this address? 110 East 9th Street

 Looking for bus class alternative to dsl.

 Sent from my iPhone



 
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Re: [WISPA] Mounting on telephone pole

2011-03-04 Thread Jeromie Reeves
I have used the large J arms for a HD sat dish, the one with the 2
extra arms. put the arms to each side of the pole with the J in the
lower middle. Works well.

On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 4:25 PM, Scott Reed sr...@nwwnet.net wrote:
 I have a customer location where we have mounted the antenna on a
 satellite arm at the top of a 30' telephone pole.  We need some
 additional height to clear some nearby trees.  What is the best way to
 attach a 10' mast to the pole?  We will need to be able to rotate the
 mast to align the antenna.

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Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

2011-03-04 Thread Brad Belton
Hello Kevin,

 

Starting to sound like this project is taking shape!  Keep me posted and can
we get an updated bullet point list of the feature set you are thinking?

 

Maybe the output voltage should be just a simple pass-through from whatever
redundant power supplies the end user selects for their PoE equipment?  This
may help future proof the PoE Controller from possible vendor changes like
UBNT is considering. (e.g. 24VDC to 48VDC) 

 

Best,

 

Brad

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Kevin Sullivan
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 1:51 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

 

It'd have a web interface with SNMP support. Yeah, 12 port.

 

Kevin

- Original Message - 

From: Mark Nash mailto:markl...@uwol.net  

To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org  

Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 11:33 AM

Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

 

Yes, better.  At this time, we only use AC to power devices.

Also I didn't see a web interface or cli on your list of features...

Also also, number of ports should = 12

At $250, depending on features when it actually hit the street, we would
take about 20.

On 3/4/2011 10:56 AM, Kevin Sullivan wrote: 

I guess the biggest question in my mind is whether most WISPs would need a
non-standard 24v or 48v out. At the last Ubiquiti conference they mentioned
that their newest line of AirBeam APs will be running 48v. Obviously their
current line is 24v, as is Trango and Tranzeo. Moto needs the GPS sync
signal, so this wouldn't work for that.

 Also, would most people use DC or A/C to power the device? If DC, 24 or
48v?

I talked it over with our electrical engineer, and he says the $450
number is what it would cost in the three-four quantity we had been
discussing. In a batch of 100, the price would be closer to $250. Is that
more appealing?

 

Thanks!

Kevin

 

- Original Message - 

From: Brad Belton mailto:b...@belwave.com  

To: 'WISPA General List' mailto:wireless@wispa.org  

Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 7:38 PM

Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

 

Hello Kevin,

I'd be interested depending on how many ports you think this device would
have.  It seems 12 ports would be a good compromise.  If a HUB site requires
more than 12 ports then that site should easily justify another $450 in
equipment, IMO.

Would surge suppression be included similar to whatever basic surge
suppression is found in today's PoE's?  

24VDC output would probably be our preference too.  Are you saying the DC
input would be adjustable or are you looking for a consensus?

1U shallow depth rack mount is pretty much a requirement for us.

Keep us posted.

Best,

Brad

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Kevin Sullivan
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 5:24 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

So... we're most of the way through a mid-span design similar to what people
are outlining here. Right now it's only non-standard POE, though. No 802.3.
Again, we were only going to build three, for our own use. If we sold
something that was:

Remote on/off per port

Auto-ping reboot per port

Dual-power supply, with notification on fail

DC powered, either 12, 24, or 48v

The one we are working on is 24v output only

1u rackmount or small form factor wall mountable

SNMP for reboot, voltage monitoring, input monitoring

We figured if it's a DC device, we can plug it into 110v easily with a
transformer.

If it was $450, would anyone buy them? Actually, what I really need to know
is, would we be able to get rid of 90 of them? We'd have to make a batch of
100, and we could use 10.  We'd get them back from the PCB manufacturer
mid-May.

Kevin

- Original Message - 

From: Mark Nash mailto:markl...@uwol.net  

To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org  

Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 8:53 AM

Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

I may be off here from the majority, but I don't want a switch.  I want to
be able to put these onto router ports as well as switch ports.

I just want a rackmount multiport passive PoE controller, manageable per
port with autoping and redundant power supplies.  Is that so much to ask
for??? ;)

On 2/25/2011 9:42 PM, Brad Belton wrote: 

Once they add remote management, redundant power supplies and a Auto-Ping
feature they'll have a winner.

Best,

Brad

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 11:29 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

Just put in a 12 port 24V version of this for a UniFi WLAN. Worked
flawlessly. 

Powered the UBNT PB5 on one of the ports too.

- Jerry

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Nick
Sent: Friday, February 25, 

[WISPA] net neutrality... Two articles...

2011-03-04 Thread MDK
http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/147121-house-leadership-questions-why-industry-isnt-fighting-in-net-regs?tmpl=componentprint=1page=

Excerpt:
House GOP Whip Kevin McCarthy (Calif.) convened a meeting of top communications 
companies on Wednesday morning, where he questioned why they are not doing more 
to help Republicans in the fight against net-neutrality rules. 

A spokeswoman for McCarthy confirmed the meeting. 

http://biggovernment.com/nrbrown/2011/03/04/republican-reactive-neutrality/print/

Excerpt:

The facts are that Net Neutrality is not about keeping all the bits equal.  Net 
Neutrality is about regulatory creep.  It's about controlling the 
infrastructure so that the message can be controlled.  It's about things like 
Internet Sidewalks [5], and Free Press' founder Robert McChesneys desire to 
control information, have a government takeover of infrastructure, and control 
what is available to the people.  We know this when he stated,

You will never, ever, in any circumstance, win any struggle at any time. That 
being said, we have a long way to go. At the moment, the battle over network 
neutrality is not to completely eliminate the telephone and cable companies. We 
are not at that point yet. But the ultimate goal is to get rid of the media 
capitalists in the phone and cable companies and to divest them from control.


I asked once... about a year ago.   What side is WISPA on?

I still can't tell.  Are they on the no regulation is needed, get lost! 
bandwagon, or are they on the We welcome the chance to have input on your 
future plans bandwagon?

The two roads diverged a while back.   

Which is WISPA on?  


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Re: [WISPA] OSPF Route Cost Calculations

2011-03-04 Thread Scott Lambert
On Fri, Mar 04, 2011 at 07:08:55PM -0500, Scott Reed wrote:
 Does any one have a tool or guidelines for setting cost and priority
 on OSPF interfaces?

 We had a link go down today.  OSPF did what it should, but it did not
 move to the preferred alternate route.  I got it there by changing
 some costs, but I need a way to get it right without needing a failure
 to tell me it is wrong.

A/Several big white board(s) and do the dijkstra algorithm on it/them
for every possible path?

Or, call it maintenence and manually break OSPF on one leg at a
time between 2 and 6 am.

Tweaking all the costs on all the hops for a very interconnected
OSPF network could be a large project.  I'm just happy if things
can limp along until I get a chance to look at it and see if I can
help things.

-- 
Scott LambertKC5MLE   Unix SysAdmin
lamb...@lambertfam.org




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