Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP
Mikrotik OSPF can break older Quagga releases. (Imagestream can use Quagga) For example,. I recently installed some RB1100s, and my Zebra .94 machines instantly went into route floods and restarts, and filling log files in a day. I upgraded to Quagga .12 and all good now. (note: Quagga current release is up to .18 now. The week before I had an issue where three OSPF routers were on the same subnet. (mikrotik being the third) and Instantly made OSPF go haywire. Changed so two remote OSFPD servers were on their own IP block, and problem solved. Mikrotik often blaims Quagga for the bug. But then again, tings didn;t crash until the Mikrotik was injected. I guess my point is... OSPF is more complicated than some people think. Its to be expected that different OSPF servers may react differently to certain network conditions. But almost always, there is a way to fix it, when one figures out the design flaw in the configuration, which often is a user issue, more than a manufacturer issue. I like Quagga because there is a huge comunity behind it. Easier for me to support it. But so far my Mikrotik seems to be doing OSPF fine, now that all is configured properly. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Kevin Sullivan To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 6:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP We've had trouble with Imagestream to Mikrotik OSPF. It seems to break itself every six months or so. Anyone else had to trouble with that? Kevin - Original Message - From: Joe Fiero To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 2:58 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP Imagestream has been very good to us as well. Every bit the Cisco experience, but at a fraction of the cost. Reliability has been excellent. They hum along year after year. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 3:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP I have used Imagestream routers in what I would consider carrier situations. Have had Imagestreams in VRRP running multiple BGP full feeds and Gigs of traffic per second. Not saying it's a do all solution, but is a serious contender. Add on top the fact you don't need $1000's of dollars a year for smartnet I am happy. Not saying it's your solution, but definitely worth looking at. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog - xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw - Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting - Tower Climbing - Network Support From: Bryan Fields br...@apacimports.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2011 15:05:10 -0400 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: Roman consulttele...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP On 7/6/2011 10:52, Roman wrote: I would like to ask for help of wireless community. We have to choose supplier of core router for our WISP projects. I know technical characteristics and price for core routers from Cisco - 7200 and 7600 series. Although these models have impressive possibilities, their price is very prohibitive for small/medium projects. Which models of core router do use in your projects? I would like to get your recommendations, its advantages and disadvantages. Would like to know some cheap and middle-price options. It comes down to the feature set you need and the performance required. Can you share your expected traffic numbers and what features you want to run? The cisco 7200 is a bit long in the tooth, the 7600 is the way to go forward. Each can be found on the secondary market for cheap. From a new device purchase decision, it's hard to beat the Juniper SRX series for smaller deployments. a $1500 router can handle 300 mbit/s of IP/mpls and firewall in hardware is hard to beat. The new MX series can handle 80gb/slot and its the next big competition to the 7600 from cisco. Junos is amazing to work with compared to IOS too. However if you do need multiple line rate 10gb/s interfaces, the ALU 7750/7710 should be considered too. I'd not consider the Imagestream product as it's not a serious carrier contender. As of two years back they just did not have a product, and bowed out of an RFP I was forced into running. It's a neat small office router, but that's all. Again this is all my opinion :) -- Bryan Fields APAC Imports LLC Phone: 800-721-6502 Fax: 727-493-1511 http://apacimports.com
Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP
Jim, Thats the way to make a sale. I dont see Cisco or Juniper offering that kind of quality support. Roman, If this is for you, and you are only needing less than 10- 300mbps of bandwidth for small to medium need, do yourself a favor, and save your money, and save your time, and go buy a MIkrotik. It will do everything you need, and let you spend your time on making sales, where you need to be spending your time. You will simply save loads and loads of money with Mikrotik. And there really are some good support folk who are also on this list, that you can hire if you get in a bind. If this is something that you are selling to someone else, then its a different story. Its sorta like banks that have IBM PCs sitting on the lobby front desk, but in the back room out of sight, they got all PC clones doing all the heavy lifting. When selling to someone else, budget is not always the biggest concern, expecially when selling to Etnerprise customers. There are other issues like accountability, and hiring techs that might already be familiar with a platform. For example ever john Doe out of computer school likely has had Cisco training. Often your buyers also will be people who have had that Cisco training, and looking for name brand. Juniper is an alternate choice for Cisco. The kind of people that buy Junipoer and Cisco are never going to be interested in a Vyatta, Mikrotik, or ImageStream. Its to risky for them leaving the name brand. But most smaller businesses are going to be fine with what ever you recommend, and Image stream and Mikrotlk both have wonderful solutions for small business. I personally, use our own distro of Linux. The reason is I already put in my time learning how to do it on Linux by hand, and can. My custom solution costs me about $1200-1500 in hardware for the latest XEON 5520 platform, and can push almost 10Gb. I dont recomend that to others, unless they have the staff that is already knolwedageable with Linux and common ISP open source applications. If you are pushing multiple gigs, then you've likely grown the complexity of what you do as a provider, and to select the best product, you really need to have a better idea on your network design goals. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Jim Patient To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 7:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP Roman, If you would like to give me a call, I will set you up a read only account on a live running Powerouter 732 and give you a quick tour of Mikrotik RouterOS. This router is running IPv6 and BGP with multiple peers on the WAN and OSPF on the LAN side. It also has a pretty extensive firewall and quite a few bandwidth queues, tunnels, etc. This router has been in service over 4 years now. Jim Patient Link Technologies, Inc. 314-735-0270 ext. 102 www.linktechs.net or http://ipv6.linktechs.net/ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Roman Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 3:01 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP What I would like to get at this stage is not actual configuration for one-time project. I need some rule-of-thumb in order to apply it for all of my projects to get budget calculation. For example, for projects with not more than 200 subscribers and 10 Mbps backhaul you advise to use configuration Small. Then, for projects with up to 1000 subscribers and 100 Mbps backhaul, you advise to use configuration Medium. For every type of configuration I would like to know its technical characteristics and price. Thank you in advance! -- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1388 / Virus Database: 1516/3747 - Release Date: 07/06/11 -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/image001.png WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP
To clarify. 1) Linux routers are plenty good for Enterprise. My point was that its a harder sell to sell them a product they dont know, when there could be many third party trusted advisors chiming in with an opinion that contradicts yours. But no doubt Linux routers can be very power and very stable. 2) I dont like to get into the Imagestream vs Mikrotik war, as they are both very nice products. One difference is the Mikrotik is a closed platform, and Imagestream is an open platform with manufacturer support. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP
+1 on point number 1. I've heard the phrase many times nobody every got fired for buying Cisco. Greg On Jul 7, 2011, at 3:02 AM, Tom DeReggi wrote: To clarify. 1) Linux routers are plenty good for Enterprise. My point was that its a harder sell to sell them a product they dont know, when there could be many third party trusted advisors chiming in with an opinion that contradicts yours. But no doubt Linux routers can be very power and very stable. 2) I dont like to get into the Imagestream vs Mikrotik war, as they are both very nice products. One difference is the Mikrotik is a closed platform, and Imagestream is an open platform with manufacturer support. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Ellensburg, WA dish network
Is there anyone with video meter balancing experience around the Ellensburg, WA area? Mike Goicoechea Wispa Vendor Member Cielo Systems International 806-977-9001 ext 101 806-763-1945 fax Skype Mike.Goik m...@cielosystems.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Fwd: Choosing core router for small - medium WISP
Great thanks for all who participated in discussion! This community is very good place to ask question and get opinions from experienced wireless professionals. Opinions vary, though. And as the way to thank community and to provoke additional discussion I would like to summarize all the inputs from community members. Hope to get unbiased view of core routers market as it is today. Feel free to criticize it if you want! We can make it even better with help of WISP community! Market segment Econom Middle Top Market players Mikrotik Imagestream Vyatta Juniper SRX Cisco Performance and price 20 Mbps – 219$ (RB750G) 2 GE – 1219$ (Power router 732) Up to 8x1GE 300 Mbps – 1500$ Up to 8x1GE Features Proprietary OS Open source, Linux-based Quagga as dynamic routing package High end of open source routers Cisco competitor, Junos IOS – stable and proven Advantages Disadvantages Up to 2x10GE ( Powerouter 732?) OSPF issues Use cases Startups Startups Large enterprises with certified engineers Large enterprises with certified engineers Technical support Free forum or Fee-based from Mikrotik consultants Free software upgrades for life, 1 year of free support You can purchase service contract Many paid options Many paid options Try before buy http://demo2.mt.lv/ -- Forwarded message -- From: Roman consulttele...@gmail.com Date: Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 12:00 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP To: wireless@wispa.org What I would like to get at this stage is not actual configuration for one-time project. I need some rule-of-thumb in order to apply it for all of my projects to get budget calculation. For example, for projects with not more than 200 subscribers and 10 Mbps backhaul you advise to use configuration Small. Then, for projects with up to 1000 subscribers and 100 Mbps backhaul, you advise to use configuration Medium. For every type of configuration I would like to know its technical characteristics and price. Thank you in advance! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Fwd: Choosing core router for small - medium WISP
Is there any way to send tables here? Plain text removed all the borders of my table making it unreadable... -- Forwarded message -- From: Roman consulttele...@gmail.com Date: Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 12:31 AM Subject: Fwd: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP To: wireless@wispa.org Great thanks for all who participated in discussion! This community is very good place to ask question and get opinions from experienced wireless professionals. Opinions vary, though. And as the way to thank community and to provoke additional discussion I would like to summarize all the inputs from community members. Hope to get unbiased view of core routers market as it is today. Feel free to criticize it if you want! We can make it even better with help of WISP community! Market segment Econom Middle Top Market players Mikrotik Imagestream Vyatta Juniper SRX Cisco Performance and price 20 Mbps – 219$ (RB750G) 2 GE – 1219$ (Power router 732) Up to 8x1GE 300 Mbps – 1500$ Up to 8x1GE Features Proprietary OS Open source, Linux-based Quagga as dynamic routing package High end of open source routers Cisco competitor, Junos IOS – stable and proven Advantages Disadvantages Up to 2x10GE ( Powerouter 732?) OSPF issues Use cases Startups Startups Large enterprises with certified engineers Large enterprises with certified engineers Technical support Free forum or Fee-based from Mikrotik consultants Free software upgrades for life, 1 year of free support You can purchase service contract Many paid options Many paid options Try before buy http://demo2.mt.lv/ -- Forwarded message -- From: Roman consulttele...@gmail.com Date: Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 12:00 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP To: wireless@wispa.org What I would like to get at this stage is not actual configuration for one-time project. I need some rule-of-thumb in order to apply it for all of my projects to get budget calculation. For example, for projects with not more than 200 subscribers and 10 Mbps backhaul you advise to use configuration Small. Then, for projects with up to 1000 subscribers and 100 Mbps backhaul, you advise to use configuration Medium. For every type of configuration I would like to know its technical characteristics and price. Thank you in advance! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Choosing core router for small - medium WISP
Both disadvantages seem like false information to me. Especially OSPF issues on ImageStream - every product has its bugs and there are probably more versions then other products. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 4:31 PM, Roman consulttele...@gmail.com wrote: Great thanks for all who participated in discussion! This community is very good place to ask question and get opinions from experienced wireless professionals. Opinions vary, though. And as the way to thank community and to provoke additional discussion I would like to summarize all the inputs from community members. Hope to get unbiased view of core routers market as it is today. Feel free to criticize it if you want! We can make it even better with help of WISP community! Market segment Econom Middle Top Market players Mikrotik Imagestream Vyatta Juniper SRX Cisco Performance and price 20 Mbps – 219$ (RB750G) 2 GE – 1219$ (Power router 732) Up to 8x1GE 300 Mbps – 1500$ Up to 8x1GE Features Proprietary OS Open source, Linux-based Quagga as dynamic routing package High end of open source routers Cisco competitor, Junos IOS – stable and proven Advantages Disadvantages Up to 2x10GE ( Powerouter 732?) OSPF issues Use cases Startups Startups Large enterprises with certified engineers Large enterprises with certified engineers Technical support Free forum or Fee-based from Mikrotik consultants Free software upgrades for life, 1 year of free support You can purchase service contract Many paid options Many paid options Try before buy http://demo2.mt.lv/ -- Forwarded message -- From: Roman consulttele...@gmail.com Date: Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 12:00 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP To: wireless@wispa.org What I would like to get at this stage is not actual configuration for one-time project. I need some rule-of-thumb in order to apply it for all of my projects to get budget calculation. For example, for projects with not more than 200 subscribers and 10 Mbps backhaul you advise to use configuration Small. Then, for projects with up to 1000 subscribers and 100 Mbps backhaul, you advise to use configuration Medium. For every type of configuration I would like to know its technical characteristics and price. Thank you in advance! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Choosing core router for small - medium WISP
Many of our well established customers would take issue with being called start-up... :-) Sent from my iPhone On Jul 7, 2011, at 4:34 PM, Roman consulttele...@gmail.com wrote: Is there any way to send tables here? Plain text removed all the borders of my table making it unreadable... -- Forwarded message -- From: Roman consulttele...@gmail.com Date: Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 12:31 AM Subject: Fwd: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP To: wireless@wispa.org Great thanks for all who participated in discussion! This community is very good place to ask question and get opinions from experienced wireless professionals. Opinions vary, though. And as the way to thank community and to provoke additional discussion I would like to summarize all the inputs from community members. Hope to get unbiased view of core routers market as it is today. Feel free to criticize it if you want! We can make it even better with help of WISP community! Market segment Econom Middle Top Market players Mikrotik Imagestream Vyatta Juniper SRX Cisco Performance and price 20 Mbps – 219$ (RB750G) 2 GE – 1219$ (Power router 732) Up to 8x1GE 300 Mbps – 1500$ Up to 8x1GE Features Proprietary OS Open source, Linux-based Quagga as dynamic routing package High end of open source routers Cisco competitor, Junos IOS – stable and proven Advantages Disadvantages Up to 2x10GE ( Powerouter 732?) OSPF issues Use cases Startups Startups Large enterprises with certified engineers Large enterprises with certified engineers Technical support Free forum or Fee-based from Mikrotik consultants Free software upgrades for life, 1 year of free support You can purchase service contract Many paid options Many paid options Try before buy http://demo2.mt.lv/ -- Forwarded message -- From: Roman consulttele...@gmail.com Date: Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 12:00 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP To: wireless@wispa.org What I would like to get at this stage is not actual configuration for one-time project. I need some rule-of-thumb in order to apply it for all of my projects to get budget calculation. For example, for projects with not more than 200 subscribers and 10 Mbps backhaul you advise to use configuration Small. Then, for projects with up to 1000 subscribers and 100 Mbps backhaul, you advise to use configuration Medium. For every type of configuration I would like to know its technical characteristics and price. Thank you in advance! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Anyone ever use this cable? CA5EF-FTP-RF1000
We have a new GM and has switched us to using a new cable for towers. Its made by pcAirLink Wireless part number: CA5EF-FTP-RF1000. I am worried about the gel inside getting hot and running down the cable. Anyone ever used this? If not what do you use? Does the gel/waterblock leak when hot? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Choosing core router for small - medium WISP
Maybe I should clarify this. The Powerouter 732 does more than 2Gbps. It has 7GigE ports on their own independent 2.01GB buss (not a shared buss). We bonded 6 of them and got 5.9Gbps TCP across those 6. The Powerouter 2200 series comes standard with 10 1GigE ports. We have a dual port 10Gig SFP add on card with a number of SFP options including 10Gbps fiber. RouterOS uses all 8 cores on the 2282. Jim Patient Link Technologies, Inc. 314-735-0270 www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Roman Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 3:32 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Fwd: Choosing core router for small - medium WISP Great thanks for all who participated in discussion! This community is very good place to ask question and get opinions from experienced wireless professionals. Opinions vary, though. And as the way to thank community and to provoke additional discussion I would like to summarize all the inputs from community members. Hope to get unbiased view of core routers market as it is today. Feel free to criticize it if you want! We can make it even better with help of WISP community! Market segment Econom Middle Top Market players Mikrotik Imagestream Vyatta Juniper SRX Cisco Performance and price 20 Mbps - 219$ (RB750G) 2 GE - 1219$ (Power router 732) Up to 8x1GE 300 Mbps - 1500$ Up to 8x1GE Features Proprietary OS Open source, Linux-based Quagga as dynamic routing package High end of open source routers Cisco competitor, Junos IOS - stable and proven Advantages Disadvantages Up to 2x10GE ( Powerouter 732?) OSPF issues Use cases Startups Startups Large enterprises with certified engineers Large enterprises with certified engineers Technical support Free forum or Fee-based from Mikrotik consultants Free software upgrades for life, 1 year of free support You can purchase service contract Many paid options Many paid options Try before buy http://demo2.mt.lv/ -- Forwarded message -- From: Roman consulttele...@gmail.com Date: Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 12:00 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP To: wireless@wispa.org What I would like to get at this stage is not actual configuration for one-time project. I need some rule-of-thumb in order to apply it for all of my projects to get budget calculation. For example, for projects with not more than 200 subscribers and 10 Mbps backhaul you advise to use configuration Small. Then, for projects with up to 1000 subscribers and 100 Mbps backhaul, you advise to use configuration Medium. For every type of configuration I would like to know its technical characteristics and price. Thank you in advance! No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1388 / Virus Database: 1516/3749 - Release Date: 07/07/11 image001.png WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP
On Wed, 2011-07-06 at 15:02 -0500, Mike Hammett wrote: Yeah, MT and ImageStream really don't have anything to offer when really pushing 10 gig interfaces. We'll be needing them before too much longer! I have 10G interfaces available with RouterOS. -- * Butch Evans* Professional Network Consultation * * http://www.butchevans.com/ * Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE!* * NOTE THE NEW PHONE NUMBER: 702-537-0979 * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP
ImageStream offers them too, but we can't saturate them yet. Jeff ImageStream Sent from my iPhone On Jul 7, 2011, at 8:37 PM, Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com wrote: On Wed, 2011-07-06 at 15:02 -0500, Mike Hammett wrote: Yeah, MT and ImageStream really don't have anything to offer when really pushing 10 gig interfaces. We'll be needing them before too much longer! I have 10G interfaces available with RouterOS. -- * Butch Evans* Professional Network Consultation * * http://www.butchevans.com/ * Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE!* * NOTE THE NEW PHONE NUMBER: 702-537-0979 * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP
At 7/7/2011 08:47 PM, JeffB wrote: ImageStream offers them too, but we can't saturate them yet. I'm curious...what's the biggest CPU you've tried them on? Vyatta claims to be able to saturate 10G interfaces using multicore Xeons. Even high end Xeon server iron seems cheap compared to the Ciscos it can replace. Jeff ImageStream Sent from my iPhone On Jul 7, 2011, at 8:37 PM, Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com wrote: On Wed, 2011-07-06 at 15:02 -0500, Mike Hammett wrote: Yeah, MT and ImageStream really don't have anything to offer when really pushing 10 gig interfaces. We'll be needing them before too much longer! I have 10G interfaces available with RouterOS. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP
I guess I knew that 10GigE interfaces were available, but was doubting that you and the MT guys could saturate them. Internally, I wouldn't be too concerned, but if I had to lease a wave, I'd want to make sure I could fill it up. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 7/7/2011 7:47 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote: ImageStream offers them too, but we can't saturate them yet. Jeff ImageStream Sent from my iPhone On Jul 7, 2011, at 8:37 PM, Butch Evansbut...@butchevans.com wrote: On Wed, 2011-07-06 at 15:02 -0500, Mike Hammett wrote: Yeah, MT and ImageStream really don't have anything to offer when really pushing 10 gig interfaces. We'll be needing them before too much longer! I have 10G interfaces available with RouterOS. -- * Butch Evans* Professional Network Consultation * * http://www.butchevans.com/ * Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE!* * NOTE THE NEW PHONE NUMBER: 702-537-0979 * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP
I'd imagine this answer goes to all of the higher end x86 Mikrotik boxes that have come out in the past couple years, but Can it fill the 10 gig interface? IE: If I have those 10x GigE interfaces going to different networks, can I fill that 10GigE? I see that your MikroCore 7100 can have 4x 10GigE SFP+ interfaces. How much of that can you fill? I'm not expecting that it can pass 4 x 10 x 2 + 8 x 1 x 2 = 96 gigabits of total throughput, but if it does 9 or 13 that would be kind of disappointing. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 7/7/2011 7:37 PM, Butch Evans wrote: On Wed, 2011-07-06 at 15:02 -0500, Mike Hammett wrote: Yeah, MT and ImageStream really don't have anything to offer when really pushing 10 gig interfaces. We'll be needing them before too much longer! I have 10G interfaces available with RouterOS. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP
I think a sweet spot for a router would have 60 - 80 gigabits of throughput. 3x 10Giges and 0 - 10x GigEs. 1x 10GigE goes East, another goes West, and the last goes up to a cheap provider. The GigEs go to peering fabrics, private peers, alternate upstreams, etc. Oh, and being able to saturate them all. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 7/7/2011 8:06 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote: At 7/7/2011 08:47 PM, JeffB wrote: ImageStream offers them too, but we can't saturate them yet. I'm curious...what's the biggest CPU you've tried them on? Vyatta claims to be able to saturate 10G interfaces using multicore Xeons. Even high end Xeon server iron seems cheap compared to the Ciscos it can replace. Jeff ImageStream Sent from my iPhone On Jul 7, 2011, at 8:37 PM, Butch Evansbut...@butchevans.com wrote: On Wed, 2011-07-06 at 15:02 -0500, Mike Hammett wrote: Yeah, MT and ImageStream really don't have anything to offer when really pushing 10 gig interfaces. We'll be needing them before too much longer! I have 10G interfaces available with RouterOS. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP
It's not a processor limitation Fred, it's a Linux issue. It can be fixed, but will require a major re-write. I question that Vyatta has really overcome it. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 7, 2011, at 9:06 PM, Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com wrote: At 7/7/2011 08:47 PM, JeffB wrote: ImageStream offers them too, but we can't saturate them yet. I'm curious...what's the biggest CPU you've tried them on? Vyatta claims to be able to saturate 10G interfaces using multicore Xeons. Even high end Xeon server iron seems cheap compared to the Ciscos it can replace. Jeff ImageStream Sent from my iPhone On Jul 7, 2011, at 8:37 PM, Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com wrote: On Wed, 2011-07-06 at 15:02 -0500, Mike Hammett wrote: Yeah, MT and ImageStream really don't have anything to offer when really pushing 10 gig interfaces. We'll be needing them before too much longer! I have 10G interfaces available with RouterOS. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
