Re: [WISPA] [WUG] EMERGENCY TDWR INTERFERENCE ISSUE IN LAS VEGAS
Chris, Would you be willing to share any knowledge of other operators in the Las Vegas area that may be using this spectrum? Please contact me offlist. Respectfully, Rick Harnish Executive Director WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 Option 2 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org adm...@wispa.org (Trina and Rick) From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of C.J. Sattler Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 6:06 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] [WUG] EMERGENCY TDWR INTERFERENCE ISSUE IN LAS VEGAS Just FYI, here at LV.Net(lasvegas.net) I have just completed a audit of every radio i use and there a bunch of TLink-45s using frequencies close to there but none within 40mhz of that frequency and the max they can use is 6dbm. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [WUG] EMERGENCY TDWR INTERFERENCE ISSUE IN LAS VEGAS
Rick Are they still looking for this signal? Bob - Reply message - From: Rick Harnish rharn...@wispa.org To: apos;WISPA General Listapos; wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] [WUG] EMERGENCY TDWR INTERFERENCE ISSUE IN LAS VEGAS Date: Mon, Nov 28, 2011 11:03 am Chris, Would you be willing to share any knowledge of other operators in the Las Vegas area that may be using this spectrum? Please contact me offlist. Respectfully, Rick Harnish Executive Director WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 Option 2 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org adm...@wispa.org (Trina and Rick) From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of C.J. Sattler Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 6:06 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] [WUG] EMERGENCY TDWR INTERFERENCE ISSUE IN LAS VEGAS Just FYI, here at LV.Net(lasvegas.net) I have just completed a audit of every radio i use and there a bunch of TLink-45s using frequencies close to there but none within 40mhz of that frequency and the max they can use is 6dbm. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [WUG] EMERGENCY TDWR INTERFERENCE ISSUE IN LAS VEGAS
Bob, Yes. jack On 11/28/2011 9:46 AM, lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: Rick Are they still looking for this signal? Bob - Reply message - From: "Rick Harnish" rharn...@wispa.org To: "'WISPA General List'" wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] [WUG] EMERGENCY TDWR INTERFERENCE ISSUE IN LAS VEGAS Date: Mon, Nov 28, 2011 11:03 am Chris, Would you be willing to share any knowledge of other operators in the Las Vegas area that may be using this spectrum? Please contact me offlist. Respectfully, Rick Harnish Executive Director WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 Option 2 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org adm...@wispa.org (Trina and Rick) From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of C.J. Sattler Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 6:06 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] [WUG] EMERGENCY TDWR INTERFERENCE ISSUE IN LAS VEGAS Just FYI, here at LV.Net(lasvegas.net) I have just completed a audit of every radio i use and there a bunch of TLink-45s using frequencies close to there but none within 40mhz of that frequency and the max they can use is 6dbm. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author (2003) - "Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks" Serving the WISP Community since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] I'm new, I hope this is the right list...
Hello, I operate in the custom software development industry and am considering setting up a WISP as a new business investment. I know very little about the industry and am hoping that some of you will not mind giving me some feedback. In exchange, I'll be glad to answer any software development questions you may have that I can answer or that I can get an answer for. I'm a business person. I'm not interested in learning the low-level details about wireless hardware or protocals above and beyond what I need to run the business. I have no desire to ever install/troubleshoot/repair the equipment myself. What I want to do is own the service and run the business. My first thoughts are I want a setup that makes it easiest for the customer to start using the service. If there is a particular hardware setup that lets me mail a dongle (small device that would plug into a USB port) to the customer and viola they're up and running, great! Also, I am wondering if operating in a licensed spectrum will provide me with some protection from frequency overload. I am interested in finding people who may be able to help me analyze a territory for potential profitability and engineer a setup. So, if it doesn't violate mailing list rules, feel free to respond with your contact information so that I can contact you to find out what it would cost for your services. I know I have a lot to learn and want to stick with high-level information so that I can quickly determine if this is a good opportunity for me. Thanks, Rich WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] I'm new, I hope this is the right list...
Hi Rich, WISPA General List is actually a Global List. It would go a long ways for relevant folks to reply back to you if you at least share what part of the world ? / State or City if in the US. My personal reaction after reading the first two paragraphs was to suggest that you should consider some other business other than being a WISP. However after reading the last two paragraphs, it sounds like you may be the Business / Funding guy, looking for a Technical Partner to build a business together. The only reason I am saying this is because this is a tough business to be in if you are not going to roll up your sleeves and get your hands dirty. Regards and Good Luck. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net On 11/28/2011 6:33 PM, Rich _ wrote: Hello, I operate in the custom software development industry and am considering setting up a WISP as a new business investment. I know very little about the industry and am hoping that some of you will not mind giving me some feedback. In exchange, I'll be glad to answer any software development questions you may have that I can answer or that I can get an answer for. I'm a business person. I'm not interested in learning the low-level details about wireless hardware or protocals above and beyond what I need to run the business. I have no desire to ever install/troubleshoot/repair the equipment myself. What I want to do is own the service and run the business. My first thoughts are I want a setup that makes it easiest for the customer to start using the service. If there is a particular hardware setup that lets me mail a dongle (small device that would plug into a USB port) to the customer and viola they're up and running, great! Also, I am wondering if operating in a licensed spectrum will provide me with some protection from frequency overload. I am interested in finding people who may be able to help me analyze a territory for potential profitability and engineer a setup. So, if it doesn't violate mailing list rules, feel free to respond with your contact information so that I can contact you to find out what it would cost for your services. I know I have a lot to learn and want to stick with high-level information so that I can quickly determine if this is a good opportunity for me. Thanks, Rich WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] I'm new, I hope this is the right list...
I agree - - it's very difficult (in my opinion) to be able to offer a wireless type service over a usb dongle. You'd pretty much need to have wireless spectrum like the big guys do, in order to get a good enough signal / noise ratio. I believe Motorola makes an indoor 900 mhz SM that is good for a mile or so around a tower but it's no USB dongle by any means For what you're looking at doing, I'd probably consider Motorola's 3.65 WiMax product, and even then, be very careful what you're looking at doing. I believe current FCC rules require you to file with them each and every 3.65 link you do. I'm sure everyone here will correct me if i am wrong. :) - Original Message - From: Faisal Imtiaz To: WISPA General List Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 5:44 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] I'm new, I hope this is the right list... Hi Rich, WISPA General List is actually a Global List. It would go a long ways for relevant folks to reply back to you if you at least share what part of the world ? / State or City if in the US. My personal reaction after reading the first two paragraphs was to suggest that you should consider some other business other than being a WISP. However after reading the last two paragraphs, it sounds like you may be the Business / Funding guy, looking for a Technical Partner to build a business together. The only reason I am saying this is because this is a tough business to be in if you are not going to roll up your sleeves and get your hands dirty. Regards and Good Luck. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net On 11/28/2011 6:33 PM, Rich _ wrote: Hello, I operate in the custom software development industry and am considering setting up a WISP as a new business investment. I know very little about the industry and am hoping that some of you will not mind giving me some feedback. In exchange, I'll be glad to answer any software development questions you may have that I can answer or that I can get an answer for. I'm a business person. I'm not interested in learning the low-level details about wireless hardware or protocals above and beyond what I need to run the business. I have no desire to ever install/troubleshoot/repair the equipment myself. What I want to do is own the service and run the business. My first thoughts are I want a setup that makes it easiest for the customer to start using the service. If there is a particular hardware setup that lets me mail a dongle (small device that would plug into a USB port) to the customer and viola they're up and running, great! Also, I am wondering if operating in a licensed spectrum will provide me with some protection from frequency overload. I am interested in finding people who may be able to help me analyze a territory for potential profitability and engineer a setup. So, if it doesn't violate mailing list rules, feel free to respond with your contact information so that I can contact you to find out what it would cost for your services. I know I have a lot to learn and want to stick with high-level information so that I can quickly determine if this is a good opportunity for me. Thanks, Rich WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] I'm new, I hope this is the right list...
Thx Faisal, I'm located in PA in the USA. But, I'm not interested in starting a WISP based on where I'm located. I'm interested in finding a location that best enables success for the business. Yes, I would be looked at as the business/funding person. A technical partner or technical contractor/employee would be needed. I hope available equipment is quite stable and reliable? On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 6:44 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net wrote: Hi Rich, WISPA General List is actually a Global List. It would go a long ways for relevant folks to reply back to you if you at least share what part of the world ? / State or City if in the US. My personal reaction after reading the first two paragraphs was to suggest that you should consider some other business other than being a WISP. However after reading the last two paragraphs, it sounds like you may be the Business / Funding guy, looking for a Technical Partner to build a business together. The only reason I am saying this is because this is a tough business to be in if you are not going to roll up your sleeves and get your hands dirty. Regards and Good Luck. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net On 11/28/2011 6:33 PM, Rich _ wrote: Hello, I operate in the custom software development industry and am considering setting up a WISP as a new business investment. I know very little about the industry and am hoping that some of you will not mind giving me some feedback. In exchange, I'll be glad to answer any software development questions you may have that I can answer or that I can get an answer for. I'm a business person. I'm not interested in learning the low-level details about wireless hardware or protocals above and beyond what I need to run the business. I have no desire to ever install/troubleshoot/repair the equipment myself. What I want to do is own the service and run the business. My first thoughts are I want a setup that makes it easiest for the customer to start using the service. If there is a particular hardware setup that lets me mail a dongle (small device that would plug into a USB port) to the customer and viola they're up and running, great! Also, I am wondering if operating in a licensed spectrum will provide me with some protection from frequency overload. I am interested in finding people who may be able to help me analyze a territory for potential profitability and engineer a setup. So, if it doesn't violate mailing list rules, feel free to respond with your contact information so that I can contact you to find out what it would cost for your services. I know I have a lot to learn and want to stick with high-level information so that I can quickly determine if this is a good opportunity for me. Thanks, Rich WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] I'm new, I hope this is the right list...
Rich, Take a look at the failing business model of Clear. They have their own licensed spectrum and in my area they spent close to 140 million dollars on build out. They had their network over-saturated within 6 months of turning their towers on with a ton of customers really un happy because of speeds that were promised and never delivered. They are on their last leg and have a huge balloon payment due which they can not pay. They are hoping that their parent company is going to bail them out but I doubt that Sprint will be willing. A pure Fixed Wireless business will be one of the hardest business ventures you could possibly get into. IMO ~Doug ---Original Message--- From: Rich _ Date: 11/28/2011 4:52:55 PM To: fai...@snappydsl.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] I'm new, I hope this is the right list... Thx Faisal, I'm located in PA in the USA. But, I'm not interested in starting a WISP based on where I'm located. I'm interested in finding a location that best enables success for the business. Yes, I would be looked at as the business/funding person. A technical partner or technical contractor/employee would be needed. I hope available equipment is quite stable and reliable? On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 6:44 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net wrote: Hi Rich, WISPA General List is actually a Global List. It would go a long ways for relevant folks to reply back to you if you at least share what part of the world ? / State or City if in the US. My personal reaction after reading the first two paragraphs was to suggest that you should consider some other business other than being a WISP. However after reading the last two paragraphs, it sounds like you may be the Business / Funding guy, looking for a Technical Partner to build a business together. The only reason I am saying this is because this is a tough business to be in if you are not going to roll up your sleeves and get your hands dirty. Regards and Good Luck. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net On 11/28/2011 6:33 PM, Rich _ wrote: Hello, I operate in the custom software development industry and am considering setting up a WISP as a new business investment. I know very little about the industry and am hoping that some of you will not mind giving me some feedback. In exchange, I'll be glad to answer any software development questions you may have that I can answer or that I can get an answer for. I'm a business person. I'm not interested in learning the low-level details about wireless hardware or protocals above and beyond what I need to run the business. I have no desire to ever install/troubleshoot/repair the equipment myself. What I want to do is own the service and run the business. My first thoughts are I want a setup that makes it easiest for the customer to start using the service. If there is a particular hardware setup that lets me mail a dongle (small device that would plug into a USB port) to the customer and viola they're up and running, great! Also, I am wondering if operating in a licensed spectrum will provide me with some protection from frequency overload. I am interested in finding people who may be able to help me analyze a territory for potential profitability and engineer a setup. So, if it doesn t violate mailing list rules, feel free to respond with your contact information so that I can contact you to find out what it would cost for your services. I know I have a lot to learn and want to stick with high-level information so that I can quickly determine if this is a good opportunity for me. Thanks, Rich - -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA
Re: [WISPA] I'm new, I hope this is the right list...
What does a pure fixed wireless mean? On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 7:11 PM, Doug Clark d...@txox.com wrote: Rich, Take a look at the failing business model of Clear. They have their own licensed spectrum and in my area they spent close to 140 million dollars on build out. They had their network over-saturated within 6 months of turning their towers on with a ton of customers really un happy because of speeds that were promised and never delivered. They are on their last leg and have a huge balloon payment due which they can not pay. They are hoping that their parent company is going to bail them out but I doubt that Sprint will be willing. A pure Fixed Wireless business will be one of the hardest business ventures you could possibly get into. IMO ~Doug *---Original Message---* *From:* Rich _ rich.ema...@gmail.com *Date:* 11/28/2011 4:52:55 PM *To:* fai...@snappydsl.net; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] I'm new, I hope this is the right list... Thx Faisal, I'm located in PA in the USA. But, I'm not interested in starting a WISP based on where I'm located. I'm interested in finding a location that best enables success for the business. Yes, I would be looked at as the business/funding person. A technical partner or technical contractor/employee would be needed. I hope available equipment is quite stable and reliable? On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 6:44 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.netwrote: Hi Rich, WISPA General List is actually a Global List. It would go a long ways for relevant folks to reply back to you if you at least share what part of the world ? / State or City if in the US. My personal reaction after reading the first two paragraphs was to suggest that you should consider some other business other than being a WISP. However after reading the last two paragraphs, it sounds like you may be the Business / Funding guy, looking for a Technical Partner to build a business together. The only reason I am saying this is because this is a tough business to be in if you are not going to roll up your sleeves and get your hands dirty. Regards and Good Luck. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net On 11/28/2011 6:33 PM, Rich _ wrote: Hello, I operate in the custom software development industry and am considering setting up a WISP as a new business investment. I know very little about the industry and am hoping that some of you will not mind giving me some feedback. In exchange, I'll be glad to answer any software development questions you may have that I can answer or that I can get an answer for. I'm a business person. I'm not interested in learning the low-level details about wireless hardware or protocals above and beyond what I need to run the business. I have no desire to ever install/troubleshoot/repair the equipment myself. What I want to do is own the service and run the business. My first thoughts are I want a setup that makes it easiest for the customer to start using the service. If there is a particular hardware setup that lets me mail a dongle (small device that would plug into a USB port) to the customer and viola they're up and running, great! Also, I am wondering if operating in a licensed spectrum will provide me with some protection from frequency overload. I am interested in finding people who may be able to help me analyze a territory for potential profitability and engineer a setup. So, if it doesn't violate mailing list rules, feel free to respond with your contact information so that I can contact you to find out what it would cost for your services. I know I have a lot to learn and want to stick with high-level information so that I can quickly determine if this is a good opportunity for me. Thanks, Rich WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] I'm new, I hope this is the right list...
Rich, Given current gear, FCC regulations and available spectrum, outside of reselling cellular you are not going to going to find anything you will be able to reliable allow the customer to self-install. Trust me, there are smarter minds than mine that have been trying to figure that one out since this industry started. As Jay mentioned, Clearwire is probably the closest business model to what you are looking for, and even with their deep pockets and licensed spectrum they are having a tough time making it work. And I think it is precisely because they are choosing to go the route that you are looking for. If they took their spectrum and equipment and used it as traditional, professionally installed fixed wireless setup they would probably have a working business model. Sure their return on investment would be higher due to the installer cost, but if they took a dish-network model to getting installs done they would only be looking at 3-6 months break even on the install cost and considering the amount of money that has already been poured into the business I would think that would be a drop in the bucket. Rich _ wrote: Thx Faisal, I'm located in PA in the USA. But, I'm not interested in starting a WISP based on where I'm located. I'm interested in finding a location that best enables success for the business. Yes, I would be looked at as the business/funding person. A technical partner or technical contractor/employee would be needed. I hope available equipment is quite stable and reliable? On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 6:44 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net mailto:fai...@snappydsl.net wrote: Hi Rich, WISPA General List is actually a Global List. It would go a long ways for relevant folks to reply back to you if you at least share what part of the world ? / State or City if in the US. My personal reaction after reading the first two paragraphs was to suggest that you should consider some other business other than being a WISP. However after reading the last two paragraphs, it sounds like you may be the Business / Funding guy, looking for a Technical Partner to build a business together. The only reason I am saying this is because this is a tough business to be in if you are not going to roll up your sleeves and get your hands dirty. Regards and Good Luck. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 tel:305%20663%205518%20x%20232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 tel:305%20663%205518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net mailto:supp...@snappydsl.net On 11/28/2011 6:33 PM, Rich _ wrote: Hello, I operate in the custom software development industry and am considering setting up a WISP as a new business investment. I know very little about the industry and am hoping that some of you will not mind giving me some feedback. In exchange, I'll be glad to answer any software development questions you may have that I can answer or that I can get an answer for. I'm a business person. I'm not interested in learning the low-level details about wireless hardware or protocals above and beyond what I need to run the business. I have no desire to ever install/troubleshoot/repair the equipment myself. What I want to do is own the service and run the business. My first thoughts are I want a setup that makes it easiest for the customer to start using the service. If there is a particular hardware setup that lets me mail a dongle (small device that would plug into a USB port) to the customer and viola they're up and running, great! Also, I am wondering if operating in a licensed spectrum will provide me with some protection from frequency overload. I am interested in finding people who may be able to help me analyze a territory for potential profitability and engineer a setup. So, if it doesn't violate mailing list rules, feel free to respond with your contact information so that I can contact you to find out what it would cost for your services. I know I have a lot to learn and want to stick with high-level information so that I can quickly determine if this is a good opportunity for me. Thanks, Rich WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] I'm new, I hope this is the right list...
How do the companies that have a dongle do it? Are they using something other than a WISP? On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 8:02 PM, Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net wrote: Rich, Given current gear, FCC regulations and available spectrum, outside of reselling cellular you are not going to going to find anything you will be able to reliable allow the customer to self-install. Trust me, there are smarter minds than mine that have been trying to figure that one out since this industry started. As Jay mentioned, Clearwire is probably the closest business model to what you are looking for, and even with their deep pockets and licensed spectrum they are having a tough time making it work. And I think it is precisely because they are choosing to go the route that you are looking for. If they took their spectrum and equipment and used it as traditional, professionally installed fixed wireless setup they would probably have a working business model. Sure their return on investment would be higher due to the installer cost, but if they took a dish-network model to getting installs done they would only be looking at 3-6 months break even on the install cost and considering the amount of money that has already been poured into the business I would think that would be a drop in the bucket. Rich _ wrote: Thx Faisal, I'm located in PA in the USA. But, I'm not interested in starting a WISP based on where I'm located. I'm interested in finding a location that best enables success for the business. Yes, I would be looked at as the business/funding person. A technical partner or technical contractor/employee would be needed. I hope available equipment is quite stable and reliable? On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 6:44 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net mailto:fai...@snappydsl.net wrote: Hi Rich, WISPA General List is actually a Global List. It would go a long ways for relevant folks to reply back to you if you at least share what part of the world ? / State or City if in the US. My personal reaction after reading the first two paragraphs was to suggest that you should consider some other business other than being a WISP. However after reading the last two paragraphs, it sounds like you may be the Business / Funding guy, looking for a Technical Partner to build a business together. The only reason I am saying this is because this is a tough business to be in if you are not going to roll up your sleeves and get your hands dirty. Regards and Good Luck. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 tel:305%20663%205518%20x%20232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 tel:305%20663%205518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net mailto:supp...@snappydsl.net On 11/28/2011 6:33 PM, Rich _ wrote: Hello, I operate in the custom software development industry and am considering setting up a WISP as a new business investment. I know very little about the industry and am hoping that some of you will not mind giving me some feedback. In exchange, I'll be glad to answer any software development questions you may have that I can answer or that I can get an answer for. I'm a business person. I'm not interested in learning the low-level details about wireless hardware or protocals above and beyond what I need to run the business. I have no desire to ever install/troubleshoot/repair the equipment myself. What I want to do is own the service and run the business. My first thoughts are I want a setup that makes it easiest for the customer to start using the service. If there is a particular hardware setup that lets me mail a dongle (small device that would plug into a USB port) to the customer and viola they're up and running, great! Also, I am wondering if operating in a licensed spectrum will provide me with some protection from frequency overload. I am interested in finding people who may be able to help me analyze a territory for potential profitability and engineer a setup. So, if it doesn't violate mailing list rules, feel free to respond with your contact information so that I can contact you to find out what it would cost for your services. I know I have a lot to learn and want to stick with high-level information so that I can quickly determine if this is a good opportunity for me. Thanks, Rich WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org
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None that I know of. Those are the companies like Clear and OpenRange. That model doesn't seem to financially or operationally/technically work. Most if not all the Wisps here install equipment on vertical space (grain leg, building, tower) and install a CPE on the customer roof. From the CPE side, a lot like satellite. Low profile but it is there. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Nov 28, 2011 7:40 PM, Rich _ rich.ema...@gmail.com wrote: How do the companies that have a dongle do it? Are they using something other than a WISP? On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 8:02 PM, Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net wrote: Rich, Given current gear, FCC regulations and available spectrum, outside of reselling cellular you are not going to going to find anything you will be able to reliable allow the customer to self-install. Trust me, there are smarter minds than mine that have been trying to figure that one out since this industry started. As Jay mentioned, Clearwire is probably the closest business model to what you are looking for, and even with their deep pockets and licensed spectrum they are having a tough time making it work. And I think it is precisely because they are choosing to go the route that you are looking for. If they took their spectrum and equipment and used it as traditional, professionally installed fixed wireless setup they would probably have a working business model. Sure their return on investment would be higher due to the installer cost, but if they took a dish-network model to getting installs done they would only be looking at 3-6 months break even on the install cost and considering the amount of money that has already been poured into the business I would think that would be a drop in the bucket. Rich _ wrote: Thx Faisal, I'm located in PA in the USA. But, I'm not interested in starting a WISP based on where I'm located. I'm interested in finding a location that best enables success for the business. Yes, I would be looked at as the business/funding person. A technical partner or technical contractor/employee would be needed. I hope available equipment is quite stable and reliable? On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 6:44 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net mailto:fai...@snappydsl.net wrote: Hi Rich, WISPA General List is actually a Global List. It would go a long ways for relevant folks to reply back to you if you at least share what part of the world ? / State or City if in the US. My personal reaction after reading the first two paragraphs was to suggest that you should consider some other business other than being a WISP. However after reading the last two paragraphs, it sounds like you may be the Business / Funding guy, looking for a Technical Partner to build a business together. The only reason I am saying this is because this is a tough business to be in if you are not going to roll up your sleeves and get your hands dirty. Regards and Good Luck. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 tel:305%20663%205518%20x%20232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 tel:305%20663%205518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net mailto:supp...@snappydsl.net On 11/28/2011 6:33 PM, Rich _ wrote: Hello, I operate in the custom software development industry and am considering setting up a WISP as a new business investment. I know very little about the industry and am hoping that some of you will not mind giving me some feedback. In exchange, I'll be glad to answer any software development questions you may have that I can answer or that I can get an answer for. I'm a business person. I'm not interested in learning the low-level details about wireless hardware or protocals above and beyond what I need to run the business. I have no desire to ever install/troubleshoot/repair the equipment myself. What I want to do is own the service and run the business. My first thoughts are I want a setup that makes it easiest for the customer to start using the service. If there is a particular hardware setup that lets me mail a dongle (small device that would plug into a USB port) to the customer and viola they're up and running, great! Also, I am wondering if operating in a licensed spectrum will provide me with some protection from frequency overload. I am interested in finding people who may be able to help me analyze a territory for potential profitability and engineer a setup. So, if it doesn't violate mailing list rules, feel free to respond with your contact information so that I can contact you to find out what it would cost for your services. I know I
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What type of equipment does Clear/OpenRange use that allows a connection using one of those 1x3 USB things? On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: None that I know of. Those are the companies like Clear and OpenRange. That model doesn't seem to financially or operationally/technically work. Most if not all the Wisps here install equipment on vertical space (grain leg, building, tower) and install a CPE on the customer roof. From the CPE side, a lot like satellite. Low profile but it is there. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Nov 28, 2011 7:40 PM, Rich _ rich.ema...@gmail.com wrote: How do the companies that have a dongle do it? Are they using something other than a WISP? On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 8:02 PM, Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.netwrote: Rich, Given current gear, FCC regulations and available spectrum, outside of reselling cellular you are not going to going to find anything you will be able to reliable allow the customer to self-install. Trust me, there are smarter minds than mine that have been trying to figure that one out since this industry started. As Jay mentioned, Clearwire is probably the closest business model to what you are looking for, and even with their deep pockets and licensed spectrum they are having a tough time making it work. And I think it is precisely because they are choosing to go the route that you are looking for. If they took their spectrum and equipment and used it as traditional, professionally installed fixed wireless setup they would probably have a working business model. Sure their return on investment would be higher due to the installer cost, but if they took a dish-network model to getting installs done they would only be looking at 3-6 months break even on the install cost and considering the amount of money that has already been poured into the business I would think that would be a drop in the bucket. Rich _ wrote: Thx Faisal, I'm located in PA in the USA. But, I'm not interested in starting a WISP based on where I'm located. I'm interested in finding a location that best enables success for the business. Yes, I would be looked at as the business/funding person. A technical partner or technical contractor/employee would be needed. I hope available equipment is quite stable and reliable? On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 6:44 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net mailto:fai...@snappydsl.net wrote: Hi Rich, WISPA General List is actually a Global List. It would go a long ways for relevant folks to reply back to you if you at least share what part of the world ? / State or City if in the US. My personal reaction after reading the first two paragraphs was to suggest that you should consider some other business other than being a WISP. However after reading the last two paragraphs, it sounds like you may be the Business / Funding guy, looking for a Technical Partner to build a business together. The only reason I am saying this is because this is a tough business to be in if you are not going to roll up your sleeves and get your hands dirty. Regards and Good Luck. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 tel:305%20663%205518%20x%20232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 tel:305%20663%205518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net mailto:supp...@snappydsl.net On 11/28/2011 6:33 PM, Rich _ wrote: Hello, I operate in the custom software development industry and am considering setting up a WISP as a new business investment. I know very little about the industry and am hoping that some of you will not mind giving me some feedback. In exchange, I'll be glad to answer any software development questions you may have that I can answer or that I can get an answer for. I'm a business person. I'm not interested in learning the low-level details about wireless hardware or protocals above and beyond what I need to run the business. I have no desire to ever install/troubleshoot/repair the equipment myself. What I want to do is own the service and run the business. My first thoughts are I want a setup that makes it easiest for the customer to start using the service. If there is a particular hardware setup that lets me mail a dongle (small device that would plug into a USB port) to the customer and viola they're up and running, great! Also, I am wondering if operating in a licensed spectrum will provide me with some protection from frequency overload. I am interested in finding people who may be able to help me analyze a territory for potential profitability and engineer a setup.
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Fixed Wireless = Professional Install of CPE on Customer Premises (outdoors / e.g. like installation of a Satellite Dish etc.) (Semi- Fixed Wireless ? or a Self Install Fixed Wireless ) ... as the name suggests, the User will do the CPE Install themselves.. Mobile Wireless = CPE is on the Move, or often changing locations.. (e.g WIFI or a Cell Phone user). As the saying goes, you can only pick any combination of TWO but never all three. Quality Speed Cost Most WISP's here have built a business model to fill a need in there areas. Most WISP's here in the USA did not start out to be WISP's...Most of the WISP's here are operating in Rural area. They tend to be heavy in Residential Subscribers / and small Businesses. A lot of innovative work, creative problem solving and a relatively small monthly charges. City Folks, (hehe.. no pun intended) or WISP's operating in Metro Areas, such as our-selves, it does not make sense to compete with the Phone Company Cable Companies for the sub $100 customers (Resi and Small Business). So we are more of a Niche Service Provider, we focus on Mid Range Services ( Services to those in areas of town where they are not able to get Cable or DSL and to other customers who are looking for fatter pipes but don't want to pay T1 or MetroEthernet Prices.) In either case, it is an expensive business to build on a using contractors basis Take a look @ TowerStream's 10K filing. They are a large national player who works purely with contractors and in Major Metro areas . Most WISP's tend to do the work themselves or supervise their own employees crew. Folks correct me if I am wrong, doing such would allow a well run WISP to have ROI on a new customer in 3-6 months, operating with outside contractors can easily mean an ROI in 6-9 months or even more depending on lots of other factors as well. If you are asking about grear availability and being stable ?, yes, grear is available and stable, but it is not a Betty Crocker cake mix... it is more like learning to Cook in the kitchen... with time and practice you be cooking good stuff. However, having said that, there are niches that can be decent and healthy, but it all depends on what where and how. Regards Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net On 11/28/2011 7:14 PM, Rich _ wrote: What does a pure fixed wireless mean? On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 7:11 PM, Doug Clark d...@txox.com mailto:d...@txox.com wrote: Rich, Take a look at the failing business model of Clear. They have their own licensed spectrum and in my area they spent close to 140 million dollars on build out. They had their network over-saturated within 6 months of turning their towers on with a ton of customers really un happy because of speeds that were promised and never delivered. They are on their last leg and have a huge balloon payment due which they can not pay. They are hoping that their parent company is going to bail them out but I doubt that Sprint will be willing. A pure Fixed Wireless business will be one of the hardest business ventures you could possibly get into. IMO ~Doug /---Original Message---/ /*From:*/ Rich _ mailto:rich.ema...@gmail.com /*Date:*/ 11/28/2011 4:52:55 PM /*To:*/ fai...@snappydsl.net mailto:fai...@snappydsl.net; WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org /*Subject:*/ Re: [WISPA] I'm new, I hope this is the right list... Thx Faisal, I'm located in PA in the USA. But, I'm not interested in starting a WISP based on where I'm located. I'm interested in finding a location that best enables success for the business. Yes, I would be looked at as the business/funding person. A technical partner or technical contractor/employee would be needed. I hope available equipment is quite stable and reliable? On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 6:44 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net mailto:fai...@snappydsl.net wrote: Hi Rich, WISPA General List is actually a Global List. It would go a long ways for relevant folks to reply back to you if you at least share what part of the world ? / State or City if in the US. My personal reaction after reading the first two paragraphs was to suggest that you should consider some other business other than being a WISP. However after reading the last two paragraphs, it sounds like you may be the Business / Funding guy, looking for a Technical Partner to build a business together. The only reason I am saying this is because this is a tough business to be in if you are not going to roll up your sleeves and get your hands dirty. Regards and Good Luck. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155
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Do you have a particular company in mind? The only companies that I know of that are using dongles (somewhat successfully) are cellular companies. They are using licensed frequencies that cost in hundreds of millions of dollars, assuming you can find any for sale. The last public sale was parts of the 700MHz spectrum in 2009 which was purchased primarily by cellular companies (ATT and Verizon for instance spent billions for their slices of 700MHz). The equipment cost is expensive as well with base stations in the tens of thousands of dollars and I'm sure the dongles are probably in the $100-200/unit range as well. Rich _ wrote: How do the companies that have a dongle do it? Are they using something other than a WISP? On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 8:02 PM, Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net mailto:tethe...@shwisp.net wrote: Rich, Given current gear, FCC regulations and available spectrum, outside of reselling cellular you are not going to going to find anything you will be able to reliable allow the customer to self-install. Trust me, there are smarter minds than mine that have been trying to figure that one out since this industry started. As Jay mentioned, Clearwire is probably the closest business model to what you are looking for, and even with their deep pockets and licensed spectrum they are having a tough time making it work. And I think it is precisely because they are choosing to go the route that you are looking for. If they took their spectrum and equipment and used it as traditional, professionally installed fixed wireless setup they would probably have a working business model. Sure their return on investment would be higher due to the installer cost, but if they took a dish-network model to getting installs done they would only be looking at 3-6 months break even on the install cost and considering the amount of money that has already been poured into the business I would think that would be a drop in the bucket. Rich _ wrote: Thx Faisal, I'm located in PA in the USA. But, I'm not interested in starting a WISP based on where I'm located. I'm interested in finding a location that best enables success for the business. Yes, I would be looked at as the business/funding person. A technical partner or technical contractor/employee would be needed. I hope available equipment is quite stable and reliable? On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 6:44 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net mailto:fai...@snappydsl.net mailto:fai...@snappydsl.net mailto:fai...@snappydsl.net wrote: Hi Rich, WISPA General List is actually a Global List. It would go a long ways for relevant folks to reply back to you if you at least share what part of the world ? / State or City if in the US. My personal reaction after reading the first two paragraphs was to suggest that you should consider some other business other than being a WISP. However after reading the last two paragraphs, it sounds like you may be the Business / Funding guy, looking for a Technical Partner to build a business together. The only reason I am saying this is because this is a tough business to be in if you are not going to roll up your sleeves and get your hands dirty. Regards and Good Luck. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 tel:305%20663%205518%20x%20232 tel:305%20663%205518%20x%20232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 tel:305%20663%205518 tel:305%20663%205518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net mailto:supp...@snappydsl.net mailto:supp...@snappydsl.net On 11/28/2011 6:33 PM, Rich _ wrote: Hello, I operate in the custom software development industry and am considering setting up a WISP as a new business investment. I know very little about the industry and am hoping that some of you will not mind giving me some feedback. In exchange, I'll be glad to answer any software development questions you may have that I can answer or that I can get an answer for. I'm a business person. I'm not interested in learning the low-level details about wireless hardware or protocals above and beyond what I need to run the business. I have no desire to ever install/troubleshoot/repair the equipment myself. What I want to do is own the service and run the business. My first thoughts are I want a setup
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Proprietary equipment in most cases. They also use licensed frequency which they pay a premium for. On 11/28/2011 04:51 PM, Rich _ wrote: What type of equipment does Clear/OpenRange use that allows a connection using one of those 1"x3" USB things? On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: None that I know of. Those are the companies like Clear and OpenRange. That model doesn't seem to financially or operationally/technically work. Most if not all the Wisps here install equipment on vertical space (grain leg, building, tower) and install a CPE on the customer roof. From the CPE side, a lot like satellite. Low profile but it is there. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Nov 28, 2011 7:40 PM, "Rich _" rich.ema...@gmail.com wrote: How do the companies that have a dongle do it? Are theyusing something other than a WISP? On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 8:02 PM, Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net wrote: Rich, Given current gear, FCC regulations and available spectrum, outside of reselling cellular you are not going to going to find anything you will be able to reliable allow the customer to self-install. Trust me, there are smarter minds than mine that have been trying to figure that one out since this industry started. As Jay mentioned, Clearwire is probably the closest business model to what you are looking for, and even with their deep pockets and licensed spectrum they are having a tough time making it work. And I think it is precisely because they are choosing to go the route that you are looking for. If they took their spectrum and equipment and used it as traditional, professionally installed fixed wireless setup they would probably have a working business model. Sure their return on investment would be higher due to the installer cost, but if they took a dish-network model to getting installs done they would only be looking at 3-6 months break even on the install cost and considering the amount of money that has already been poured into the business I would think that would be a drop in the bucket. Rich _ wrote: Thx Faisal, I'm located in PA in the USA. But, I'm not interested in starting a WISP based on where I'm located. I'm interested in finding a location that best enables success for the business. Yes, I would be looked at as the business/funding person. A technical partner or technical contractor/employee would be needed. I hope available equipment is quite stable and reliable? On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 6:44 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net mailto:fai...@snappydsl.net wrote: Hi Rich, WISPA General List is actually a Global List. It would go a long ways for relevant folks to reply back to you if you at least share what part of the world ? / State or City if in the US. My personal reaction after reading the
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Those are both good examples of what I had in mind. On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 8:25 PM, Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net wrote: Do you have a particular company in mind? The only companies that I know of that are using dongles (somewhat successfully) are cellular companies. They are using licensed frequencies that cost in hundreds of millions of dollars, assuming you can find any for sale. The last public sale was parts of the 700MHz spectrum in 2009 which was purchased primarily by cellular companies (ATT and Verizon for instance spent billions for their slices of 700MHz). The equipment cost is expensive as well with base stations in the tens of thousands of dollars and I'm sure the dongles are probably in the $100-200/unit range as well. Rich _ wrote: How do the companies that have a dongle do it? Are they using something other than a WISP? On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 8:02 PM, Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net mailto:tethe...@shwisp.net wrote: Rich, Given current gear, FCC regulations and available spectrum, outside of reselling cellular you are not going to going to find anything you will be able to reliable allow the customer to self-install. Trust me, there are smarter minds than mine that have been trying to figure that one out since this industry started. As Jay mentioned, Clearwire is probably the closest business model to what you are looking for, and even with their deep pockets and licensed spectrum they are having a tough time making it work. And I think it is precisely because they are choosing to go the route that you are looking for. If they took their spectrum and equipment and used it as traditional, professionally installed fixed wireless setup they would probably have a working business model. Sure their return on investment would be higher due to the installer cost, but if they took a dish-network model to getting installs done they would only be looking at 3-6 months break even on the install cost and considering the amount of money that has already been poured into the business I would think that would be a drop in the bucket. Rich _ wrote: Thx Faisal, I'm located in PA in the USA. But, I'm not interested in starting a WISP based on where I'm located. I'm interested in finding a location that best enables success for the business. Yes, I would be looked at as the business/funding person. A technical partner or technical contractor/employee would be needed. I hope available equipment is quite stable and reliable? On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 6:44 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net mailto:fai...@snappydsl.net mailto:fai...@snappydsl.net mailto:fai...@snappydsl.net wrote: Hi Rich, WISPA General List is actually a Global List. It would go a long ways for relevant folks to reply back to you if you at least share what part of the world ? / State or City if in the US. My personal reaction after reading the first two paragraphs was to suggest that you should consider some other business other than being a WISP. However after reading the last two paragraphs, it sounds like you may be the Business / Funding guy, looking for a Technical Partner to build a business together. The only reason I am saying this is because this is a tough business to be in if you are not going to roll up your sleeves and get your hands dirty. Regards and Good Luck. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 tel:305%20663%205518%20x%20232 tel:305%20663%205518%20x%20232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 tel:305%20663%205518 tel:305%20663%205518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net mailto:supp...@snappydsl.net mailto:supp...@snappydsl.net On 11/28/2011 6:33 PM, Rich _ wrote: Hello, I operate in the custom software development industry and am considering setting up a WISP as a new business investment. I know very little about the industry and am hoping that some of you will not mind giving me some feedback. In exchange, I'll be glad to answer any software development questions you may have that I can answer or that I can get an answer for. I'm a business person. I'm not interested in learning the low-level details about wireless hardware or protocals above and beyond what I
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Then, most WISP operations use unlicensed freqencies? On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 7:59 PM, Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.netwrote: ** Proprietary equipment in most cases. They also use licensed frequency which they pay a premium for. On 11/28/2011 04:51 PM, Rich _ wrote: What type of equipment does Clear/OpenRange use that allows a connection using one of those 1x3 USB things? On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: None that I know of. Those are the companies like Clear and OpenRange. That model doesn't seem to financially or operationally/technically work. Most if not all the Wisps here install equipment on vertical space (grain leg, building, tower) and install a CPE on the customer roof. From the CPE side, a lot like satellite. Low profile but it is there. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Nov 28, 2011 7:40 PM, Rich _ rich.ema...@gmail.com wrote: How do the companies that have a dongle do it? Are they using something other than a WISP? On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 8:02 PM, Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.netwrote: Rich, Given current gear, FCC regulations and available spectrum, outside of reselling cellular you are not going to going to find anything you will be able to reliable allow the customer to self-install. Trust me, there are smarter minds than mine that have been trying to figure that one out since this industry started. As Jay mentioned, Clearwire is probably the closest business model to what you are looking for, and even with their deep pockets and licensed spectrum they are having a tough time making it work. And I think it is precisely because they are choosing to go the route that you are looking for. If they took their spectrum and equipment and used it as traditional, professionally installed fixed wireless setup they would probably have a working business model. Sure their return on investment would be higher due to the installer cost, but if they took a dish-network model to getting installs done they would only be looking at 3-6 months break even on the install cost and considering the amount of money that has already been poured into the business I would think that would be a drop in the bucket. Rich _ wrote: Thx Faisal, I'm located in PA in the USA. But, I'm not interested in starting a WISP based on where I'm located. I'm interested in finding a location that best enables success for the business. Yes, I would be looked at as the business/funding person. A technical partner or technical contractor/employee would be needed. I hope available equipment is quite stable and reliable? On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 6:44 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net mailto:fai...@snappydsl.net wrote: Hi Rich, WISPA General List is actually a Global List. It would go a long ways for relevant folks to reply back to you if you at least share what part of the world ? / State or City if in the US. My personal reaction after reading the first two paragraphs was to suggest that you should consider some other business other than being a WISP. However after reading the last two paragraphs, it sounds like you may be the Business / Funding guy, looking for a Technical Partner to build a business together. The only reason I am saying this is because this is a tough business to be in if you are not going to roll up your sleeves and get your hands dirty. Regards and Good Luck. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 tel:305%20663%205518%20x%20232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 tel:305%20663%205518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net mailto:supp...@snappydsl.net On 11/28/2011 6:33 PM, Rich _ wrote: Hello, I operate in the custom software development industry and am considering setting up a WISP as a new business investment. I know very little about the industry and am hoping that some of you will not mind giving me some feedback. In exchange, I'll be glad to answer any software development questions you may have that I can answer or that I can get an answer for. I'm a business person. I'm not interested in learning the low-level details about wireless hardware or protocals above and beyond what I need to run the business. I have no desire to ever install/troubleshoot/repair the equipment myself. What I want to do is own the service and run the business. My first thoughts are I want a setup that makes it easiest for the customer to start using the service. If there is a particular hardware setup that lets me mail a dongle (small device that would plug into a USB port) to the customer and viola they're up and running,
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Amen On Nov 28, 2011 7:12 PM, Doug Clark d...@txox.com wrote: Rich, Take a look at the failing business model of Clear. They have their own licensed spectrum and in my area they spent close to 140 million dollars on build out. They had their network over-saturated within 6 months of turning their towers on with a ton of customers really un happy because of speeds that were promised and never delivered. They are on their last leg and have a huge balloon payment due which they can not pay. They are hoping that their parent company is going to bail them out but I doubt that Sprint will be willing. A pure Fixed Wireless business will be one of the hardest business ventures you could possibly get into. IMO ~Doug *---Original Message---* *From:* Rich _ rich.ema...@gmail.com *Date:* 11/28/2011 4:52:55 PM *To:* fai...@snappydsl.net; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] I'm new, I hope this is the right list... Thx Faisal, I'm located in PA in the USA. But, I'm not interested in starting a WISP based on where I'm located. I'm interested in finding a location that best enables success for the business. Yes, I would be looked at as the business/funding person. A technical partner or technical contractor/employee would be needed. I hope available equipment is quite stable and reliable? On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 6:44 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.netwrote: Hi Rich, WISPA General List is actually a Global List. It would go a long ways for relevant folks to reply back to you if you at least share what part of the world ? / State or City if in the US. My personal reaction after reading the first two paragraphs was to suggest that you should consider some other business other than being a WISP. However after reading the last two paragraphs, it sounds like you may be the Business / Funding guy, looking for a Technical Partner to build a business together. The only reason I am saying this is because this is a tough business to be in if you are not going to roll up your sleeves and get your hands dirty. Regards and Good Luck. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net On 11/28/2011 6:33 PM, Rich _ wrote: Hello, I operate in the custom software development industry and am considering setting up a WISP as a new business investment. I know very little about the industry and am hoping that some of you will not mind giving me some feedback. In exchange, I'll be glad to answer any software development questions you may have that I can answer or that I can get an answer for. I'm a business person. I'm not interested in learning the low-level details about wireless hardware or protocals above and beyond what I need to run the business. I have no desire to ever install/troubleshoot/repair the equipment myself. What I want to do is own the service and run the business. My first thoughts are I want a setup that makes it easiest for the customer to start using the service. If there is a particular hardware setup that lets me mail a dongle (small device that would plug into a USB port) to the customer and viola they're up and running, great! Also, I am wondering if operating in a licensed spectrum will provide me with some protection from frequency overload. I am interested in finding people who may be able to help me analyze a territory for potential profitability and engineer a setup. So, if it doesn't violate mailing list rules, feel free to respond with your contact information so that I can contact you to find out what it would cost for your services. I know I have a lot to learn and want to stick with high-level information so that I can quickly determine if this is a good opportunity for me. Thanks, Rich WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
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The answer to my last question was obvious from the posts so far. I should have asked if there are licensed frequencies that I can still purchase and if so how much do the range in cost? On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 7:59 PM, Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.netwrote: ** Proprietary equipment in most cases. They also use licensed frequency which they pay a premium for. On 11/28/2011 04:51 PM, Rich _ wrote: What type of equipment does Clear/OpenRange use that allows a connection using one of those 1x3 USB things? On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: None that I know of. Those are the companies like Clear and OpenRange. That model doesn't seem to financially or operationally/technically work. Most if not all the Wisps here install equipment on vertical space (grain leg, building, tower) and install a CPE on the customer roof. From the CPE side, a lot like satellite. Low profile but it is there. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Nov 28, 2011 7:40 PM, Rich _ rich.ema...@gmail.com wrote: How do the companies that have a dongle do it? Are they using something other than a WISP? On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 8:02 PM, Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.netwrote: Rich, Given current gear, FCC regulations and available spectrum, outside of reselling cellular you are not going to going to find anything you will be able to reliable allow the customer to self-install. Trust me, there are smarter minds than mine that have been trying to figure that one out since this industry started. As Jay mentioned, Clearwire is probably the closest business model to what you are looking for, and even with their deep pockets and licensed spectrum they are having a tough time making it work. And I think it is precisely because they are choosing to go the route that you are looking for. If they took their spectrum and equipment and used it as traditional, professionally installed fixed wireless setup they would probably have a working business model. Sure their return on investment would be higher due to the installer cost, but if they took a dish-network model to getting installs done they would only be looking at 3-6 months break even on the install cost and considering the amount of money that has already been poured into the business I would think that would be a drop in the bucket. Rich _ wrote: Thx Faisal, I'm located in PA in the USA. But, I'm not interested in starting a WISP based on where I'm located. I'm interested in finding a location that best enables success for the business. Yes, I would be looked at as the business/funding person. A technical partner or technical contractor/employee would be needed. I hope available equipment is quite stable and reliable? On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 6:44 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net mailto:fai...@snappydsl.net wrote: Hi Rich, WISPA General List is actually a Global List. It would go a long ways for relevant folks to reply back to you if you at least share what part of the world ? / State or City if in the US. My personal reaction after reading the first two paragraphs was to suggest that you should consider some other business other than being a WISP. However after reading the last two paragraphs, it sounds like you may be the Business / Funding guy, looking for a Technical Partner to build a business together. The only reason I am saying this is because this is a tough business to be in if you are not going to roll up your sleeves and get your hands dirty. Regards and Good Luck. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 tel:305%20663%205518%20x%20232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 tel:305%20663%205518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net mailto:supp...@snappydsl.net On 11/28/2011 6:33 PM, Rich _ wrote: Hello, I operate in the custom software development industry and am considering setting up a WISP as a new business investment. I know very little about the industry and am hoping that some of you will not mind giving me some feedback. In exchange, I'll be glad to answer any software development questions you may have that I can answer or that I can get an answer for. I'm a business person. I'm not interested in learning the low-level details about wireless hardware or protocals above and beyond what I need to run the business. I have no desire to ever install/troubleshoot/repair the equipment myself. What I want to do is own the service and run the business. My first thoughts are I want a setup that makes it easiest for the customer to start using the service. If there is a particular hardware setup that
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The dongles used to be that expensive, but we can get them now for $30 to $40 each, but that is the easy part. To get that going, you need a massive infrastructure footprint, own spectrum, large base stations which are tens of thousands of dollars above anything a WISP typically would deploy, and a very tenacious marketing effort. Of course, if you have the spectrum then you are already in the league of millions, not thousands, of dollars already. This is why it is relatively easy to start a WISP, harder to run one, and even harder to remain one. Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net wrote .. Do you have a particular company in mind? The only companies that I know of that are using dongles (somewhat successfully) are cellular companies. They are using licensed frequencies that cost in hundreds of millions of dollars, assuming you can find any for sale. The last public sale was parts of the 700MHz spectrum in 2009 which was purchased primarily by cellular companies (ATT and Verizon for instance spent billions for their slices of 700MHz). The equipment cost is expensive as well with base stations in the tens of thousands of dollars and I'm sure the dongles are probably in the $100-200/unit range as well. Rich _ wrote: How do the companies that have a dongle do it? Are they using something other than a WISP? On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 8:02 PM, Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net mailto:tethe...@shwisp.net wrote: Rich, Given current gear, FCC regulations and available spectrum, outside of reselling cellular you are not going to going to find anything you will be able to reliable allow the customer to self-install. Trust me, there are smarter minds than mine that have been trying to figure that one out since this industry started. As Jay mentioned, Clearwire is probably the closest business model to what you are looking for, and even with their deep pockets and licensed spectrum they are having a tough time making it work. And I think it is precisely because they are choosing to go the route that you are looking for. If they took their spectrum and equipment and used it as traditional, professionally installed fixed wireless setup they would probably have a working business model. Sure their return on investment would be higher due to the installer cost, but if they took a dish-network model to getting installs done they would only be looking at 3-6 months break even on the install cost and considering the amount of money that has already been poured into the business I would think that would be a drop in the bucket. Rich _ wrote: Thx Faisal, I'm located in PA in the USA. But, I'm not interested in starting a WISP based on where I'm located. I'm interested in finding a location that best enables success for the business. Yes, I would be looked at as the business/funding person. A technical partner or technical contractor/employee would be needed. I hope available equipment is quite stable and reliable? On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 6:44 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net mailto:fai...@snappydsl.net mailto:fai...@snappydsl.net mailto:fai...@snappydsl.net wrote: Hi Rich, WISPA General List is actually a Global List. It would go a long ways for relevant folks to reply back to you if you at least share what part of the world ? / State or City if in the US. My personal reaction after reading the first two paragraphs was to suggest that you should consider some other business other than being a WISP. However after reading the last two paragraphs, it sounds like you may be the Business / Funding guy, looking for a Technical Partner to build a business together. The only reason I am saying this is because this is a tough business to be in if you are not going to roll up your sleeves and get your hands dirty. Regards and Good Luck. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 tel:305%20663%205518%20x%20232 tel:305%20663%205518%20x%20232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 tel:305%20663%205518 tel:305%20663%205518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net mailto:supp...@snappydsl.net mailto:supp...@snappydsl.net On 11/28/2011 6:33 PM, Rich _ wrote: Hello, I operate in the custom software development industry and am considering setting up a WISP as a new
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ATT wants to buy T-Mobile - mainly for its spectrum. That is a $33+ billion dollar deal. If you look at the spectrum the cellular companies have and are hoarding, you will conclude it is very hard to find spectrum worth having which is not already licensed, which is why WISPA is working hard on things like 3.65 GHz and whitespaces. These are efforts which are worth supporting. Things are different in Canada, at least for now! Daniel Rich _ rich.ema...@gmail.com wrote .. The answer to my last question was obvious from the posts so far. I should have asked if there are licensed frequencies that I can still purchase and if so how much do the range in cost? On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 7:59 PM, Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.netwrote: ** Proprietary equipment in most cases. They also use licensed frequency which they pay a premium for. On 11/28/2011 04:51 PM, Rich _ wrote: What type of equipment does Clear/OpenRange use that allows a connection using one of those 1x3 USB things? On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: None that I know of. Those are the companies like Clear and OpenRange. That model doesn't seem to financially or operationally/technically work. Most if not all the Wisps here install equipment on vertical space (grain leg, building, tower) and install a CPE on the customer roof. From the CPE side, a lot like satellite. Low profile but it is there. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Nov 28, 2011 7:40 PM, Rich _ rich.ema...@gmail.com wrote: How do the companies that have a dongle do it? Are they using something other than a WISP? On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 8:02 PM, Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.netwrote: Rich, Given current gear, FCC regulations and available spectrum, outside of reselling cellular you are not going to going to find anything you will be able to reliable allow the customer to self-install. Trust me, there are smarter minds than mine that have been trying to figure that one out since this industry started. As Jay mentioned, Clearwire is probably the closest business model to what you are looking for, and even with their deep pockets and licensed spectrum they are having a tough time making it work. And I think it is precisely because they are choosing to go the route that you are looking for. If they took their spectrum and equipment and used it as traditional, professionally installed fixed wireless setup they would probably have a working business model. Sure their return on investment would be higher due to the installer cost, but if they took a dish-network model to getting installs done they would only be looking at 3-6 months break even on the install cost and considering the amount of money that has already been poured into the business I would think that would be a drop in the bucket. Rich _ wrote: Thx Faisal, I'm located in PA in the USA. But, I'm not interested in starting a WISP based on where I'm located. I'm interested in finding a location that best enables success for the business. Yes, I would be looked at as the business/funding person. A technical partner or technical contractor/employee would be needed. I hope available equipment is quite stable and reliable? On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 6:44 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net mailto:fai...@snappydsl.net wrote: Hi Rich, WISPA General List is actually a Global List. It would go a long ways for relevant folks to reply back to you if you at least share what part of the world ? / State or City if in the US. My personal reaction after reading the first two paragraphs was to suggest that you should consider some other business other than being a WISP. However after reading the last two paragraphs, it sounds like you may be the Business / Funding guy, looking for a Technical Partner to build a business together. The only reason I am saying this is because this is a tough business to be in if you are not going to roll up your sleeves and get your hands dirty. Regards and Good Luck. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 tel:305%20663%205518%20x%20232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 tel:305%20663%205518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net mailto:supp...@snappydsl.net On 11/28/2011 6:33 PM, Rich _ wrote: Hello, I operate in the custom software development industry and am considering setting up a WISP as a new business investment. I know very little about the industry and am hoping that some of you will not mind giving me some feedback. In exchange, I'll be glad to
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I am curious if any one of the users here have any frequency deployed. I know Jay has some in Alabama. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Nov 28, 2011 8:18 PM, Rich _ rich.ema...@gmail.com wrote: Then, most WISP operations use unlicensed freqencies? On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 7:59 PM, Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.netwrote: ** Proprietary equipment in most cases. They also use licensed frequency which they pay a premium for. On 11/28/2011 04:51 PM, Rich _ wrote: What type of equipment does Clear/OpenRange use that allows a connection using one of those 1x3 USB things? On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: None that I know of. Those are the companies like Clear and OpenRange. That model doesn't seem to financially or operationally/technically work. Most if not all the Wisps here install equipment on vertical space (grain leg, building, tower) and install a CPE on the customer roof. From the CPE side, a lot like satellite. Low profile but it is there. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Nov 28, 2011 7:40 PM, Rich _ rich.ema...@gmail.com wrote: How do the companies that have a dongle do it? Are they using something other than a WISP? On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 8:02 PM, Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.netwrote: Rich, Given current gear, FCC regulations and available spectrum, outside of reselling cellular you are not going to going to find anything you will be able to reliable allow the customer to self-install. Trust me, there are smarter minds than mine that have been trying to figure that one out since this industry started. As Jay mentioned, Clearwire is probably the closest business model to what you are looking for, and even with their deep pockets and licensed spectrum they are having a tough time making it work. And I think it is precisely because they are choosing to go the route that you are looking for. If they took their spectrum and equipment and used it as traditional, professionally installed fixed wireless setup they would probably have a working business model. Sure their return on investment would be higher due to the installer cost, but if they took a dish-network model to getting installs done they would only be looking at 3-6 months break even on the install cost and considering the amount of money that has already been poured into the business I would think that would be a drop in the bucket. Rich _ wrote: Thx Faisal, I'm located in PA in the USA. But, I'm not interested in starting a WISP based on where I'm located. I'm interested in finding a location that best enables success for the business. Yes, I would be looked at as the business/funding person. A technical partner or technical contractor/employee would be needed. I hope available equipment is quite stable and reliable? On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 6:44 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net mailto:fai...@snappydsl.net wrote: Hi Rich, WISPA General List is actually a Global List. It would go a long ways for relevant folks to reply back to you if you at least share what part of the world ? / State or City if in the US. My personal reaction after reading the first two paragraphs was to suggest that you should consider some other business other than being a WISP. However after reading the last two paragraphs, it sounds like you may be the Business / Funding guy, looking for a Technical Partner to build a business together. The only reason I am saying this is because this is a tough business to be in if you are not going to roll up your sleeves and get your hands dirty. Regards and Good Luck. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 tel:305%20663%205518%20x%20232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 tel:305%20663%205518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net mailto:supp...@snappydsl.net On 11/28/2011 6:33 PM, Rich _ wrote: Hello, I operate in the custom software development industry and am considering setting up a WISP as a new business investment. I know very little about the industry and am hoping that some of you will not mind giving me some feedback. In exchange, I'll be glad to answer any software development questions you may have that I can answer or that I can get an answer for. I'm a business person. I'm not interested in learning the low-level details about wireless hardware or protocals above and beyond what I need to run the business. I have no desire to ever install/troubleshoot/repair the equipment myself. What I want to do is own the service and run the business. My first
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It could be you will not find what you want, Rich. Having easy frequencies - your 'own' spectrum, cheap gear from Huawei, and simply mailing the CPE 'dongle' to the customers still runs up against physics: you need to have to pump plenty of power into the air to cover a big area, and even if you do, the dongle will not get the range you want. I did a deployment earlier this year where the coverage map ended exactly at the property line of my customer, and we were lucky enough that it worked, but there is no way I would have sent out a box and said to the customer that it would really work fine. To have ubiquitous coverage means many more cell sites and much more money for the infrastructure. The WISP, who knows the local area, does the fixed, on-wall outdoor install and can go the distance where the dongle will not, and if there is a coverage gap to be filled, it might be a '$100 problem' or a '$1000 problem' but not a $100,000 problem. It seems your ideal location would be a metropolitan environment where the customers would most likely anyway be better served by wireline or fiber options. Daniel Rich _ rich.ema...@gmail.com wrote .. Then, most WISP operations use unlicensed freqencies? On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 7:59 PM, Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.netwrote: ** Proprietary equipment in most cases. They also use licensed frequency which they pay a premium for. On 11/28/2011 04:51 PM, Rich _ wrote: What type of equipment does Clear/OpenRange use that allows a connection using one of those 1x3 USB things? On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: None that I know of. Those are the companies like Clear and OpenRange. That model doesn't seem to financially or operationally/technically work. Most if not all the Wisps here install equipment on vertical space (grain leg, building, tower) and install a CPE on the customer roof. From the CPE side, a lot like satellite. Low profile but it is there. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Nov 28, 2011 7:40 PM, Rich _ rich.ema...@gmail.com wrote: How do the companies that have a dongle do it? Are they using something other than a WISP? On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 8:02 PM, Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.netwrote: Rich, Given current gear, FCC regulations and available spectrum, outside of reselling cellular you are not going to going to find anything you will be able to reliable allow the customer to self-install. Trust me, there are smarter minds than mine that have been trying to figure that one out since this industry started. As Jay mentioned, Clearwire is probably the closest business model to what you are looking for, and even with their deep pockets and licensed spectrum they are having a tough time making it work. And I think it is precisely because they are choosing to go the route that you are looking for. If they took their spectrum and equipment and used it as traditional, professionally installed fixed wireless setup they would probably have a working business model. Sure their return on investment would be higher due to the installer cost, but if they took a dish-network model to getting installs done they would only be looking at 3-6 months break even on the install cost and considering the amount of money that has already been poured into the business I would think that would be a drop in the bucket. Rich _ wrote: Thx Faisal, I'm located in PA in the USA. But, I'm not interested in starting a WISP based on where I'm located. I'm interested in finding a location that best enables success for the business. Yes, I would be looked at as the business/funding person. A technical partner or technical contractor/employee would be needed. I hope available equipment is quite stable and reliable? On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 6:44 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net mailto:fai...@snappydsl.net wrote: Hi Rich, WISPA General List is actually a Global List. It would go a long ways for relevant folks to reply back to you if you at least share what part of the world ? / State or City if in the US. My personal reaction after reading the first two paragraphs was to suggest that you should consider some other business other than being a WISP. However after reading the last two paragraphs, it sounds like you may be the Business / Funding guy, looking for a Technical Partner to build a business together. The only reason I am saying this is because this is a tough business to be in if you are not going to roll up your sleeves and get your hands dirty. Regards and Good Luck. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl
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Well said! So would you care to put a price tag on what you cost out an indoor customer-installed link versus an outdoor company-installed link and the related share of RAN to the edge of the network? Blake Covarrubias bl...@beamspeed.com wrote .. On Nov 28, 2011, at 6:02 PM, Sam Tetherow wrote: As Jay mentioned, Clearwire is probably the closest business model to what you are looking for, and even with their deep pockets and licensed spectrum they are having a tough time making it work…If they took their spectrum and equipment and used it as traditional, professionally installed fixed wireless setup they would probably have a working business model. Agreed. Quoting Tom DeReggi: The secret to a successful WISP is getting the highest modulations possible so they get the most capacity. IMO, this is absolutely what makes any wireless service work well. My company offers residential wireless services on 2.5GHz spectrum. We have about 4,000 residential customers. Most are indoor NLOS, but we also have a fair number of outdoor fixed LOS customers. The indoor CPE are usually at lower modulations, and are more of a drain on the BTS RF resources than an outdoor, higher modulation CPE. This is because the schedulers in our equipment utilize throughput fairness instead of temporal fairness. It takes more RF resources to service low mod customers so the available capacity fills up quicker leading to congestion, and slow service. In our experience the aggregate throughput of a BTS with a high number of lower modulation CPE is at least half (if not more) than one with a majority of high modulation CPE. We can easily service 150-200 high modulation CPE on a single BTS compared to 40-50 low modulation CPE on the same BTS before it becomes congested. Clearwire likely has a lot of low modulation CPE out there, and has tried to make up for it by adding more base stations…at considerable cost. -- Blake Covarrubias WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Not deployed yet, aside from simply the substantial service I believe I met two or three others WISPS that had some frequency/spectrum - one or two in vegas and at least one on the boat - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman To: WISPA General List Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 7:36 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] I'm new, I hope this is the right list... I am curious if any one of the users here have any frequency deployed. I know Jay has some in Alabama. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Nov 28, 2011 8:18 PM, Rich _ rich.ema...@gmail.com wrote: Then, most WISP operations use unlicensed freqencies? On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 7:59 PM, Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.net wrote: Proprietary equipment in most cases. They also use licensed frequency which they pay a premium for. On 11/28/2011 04:51 PM, Rich _ wrote: What type of equipment does Clear/OpenRange use that allows a connection using one of those 1x3 USB things? On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: None that I know of. Those are the companies like Clear and OpenRange. That model doesn't seem to financially or operationally/technically work. Most if not all the Wisps here install equipment on vertical space (grain leg, building, tower) and install a CPE on the customer roof. From the CPE side, a lot like satellite. Low profile but it is there. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Nov 28, 2011 7:40 PM, Rich _ rich.ema...@gmail.com wrote: How do the companies that have a dongle do it? Are they using something other than a WISP? On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 8:02 PM, Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net wrote: Rich, Given current gear, FCC regulations and available spectrum, outside of reselling cellular you are not going to going to find anything you will be able to reliable allow the customer to self-install. Trust me, there are smarter minds than mine that have been trying to figure that one out since this industry started. As Jay mentioned, Clearwire is probably the closest business model to what you are looking for, and even with their deep pockets and licensed spectrum they are having a tough time making it work. And I think it is precisely because they are choosing to go the route that you are looking for. If they took their spectrum and equipment and used it as traditional, professionally installed fixed wireless setup they would probably have a working business model. Sure their return on investment would be higher due to the installer cost, but if they took a dish-network model to getting installs done they would only be looking at 3-6 months break even on the install cost and considering the amount of money that has already been poured into the business I would think that would be a drop in the bucket. Rich _ wrote: Thx Faisal, I'm located in PA in the USA. But, I'm not interested in starting a WISP based on where I'm located. I'm interested in finding a location that best enables success for the business. Yes, I would be looked at as the business/funding person. A technical partner or technical contractor/employee would be needed. I hope available equipment is quite stable and reliable? On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 6:44 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net mailto:fai...@snappydsl.net wrote: Hi Rich, WISPA General List is actually a Global List. It would go a long ways for relevant folks to reply back to you if you at least share what part of the world ? / State or City if in the US. My personal reaction after reading the first two paragraphs was to suggest that you should consider some other business other than being a WISP. However after reading the last two paragraphs, it sounds like you may be the Business / Funding guy, looking for a Technical Partner to build a business together. The only reason I am saying this is because this is a tough business to
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I believe another way around this might be to limit clients from connecting below a certain signal threshold. I'm hoping for at least 3-4 miles around a tower with reliable signal and a usb dongle type interface, but I don't expect all the customers to be that way. This is all very new to me. We need to talk more Blake :) Thanks, -jf - Original Message - From: Blake Covarrubias To: WISPA General List Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] I'm new, I hope this is the right list... On Nov 28, 2011, at 6:02 PM, Sam Tetherow wrote: As Jay mentioned, Clearwire is probably the closest business model to what you are looking for, and even with their deep pockets and licensed spectrum they are having a tough time making it work…If they took their spectrum and equipment and used it as traditional, professionally installed fixed wireless setup they would probably have a working business model. Agreed. Quoting Tom DeReggi: The secret to a successful WISP is getting the highest modulations possible so they get the most capacity. IMO, this is absolutely what makes any wireless service work well. My company offers residential wireless services on 2.5GHz spectrum. We have about 4,000 residential customers. Most are indoor NLOS, but we also have a fair number of outdoor fixed LOS customers. The indoor CPE are usually at lower modulations, and are more of a drain on the BTS RF resources than an outdoor, higher modulation CPE. This is because the schedulers in our equipment utilize throughput fairness instead of temporal fairness. It takes more RF resources to service low mod customers so the available capacity fills up quicker leading to congestion, and slow service. In our experience the aggregate throughput of a BTS with a high number of lower modulation CPE is at least half (if not more) than one with a majority of high modulation CPE. We can easily service 150-200 high modulation CPE on a single BTS compared to 40-50 low modulation CPE on the same BTS before it becomes congested. Clearwire likely has a lot of low modulation CPE out there, and has tried to make up for it by adding more base stations…at considerable cost. -- Blake Covarrubias WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Ok sorry, but this is where I check out on this thread.. BTW, I'm interested in starting a car company using four black round things to make it roll..me like cars. You know there's something to be said for companies like McDonalds. Before you're allowed to own one you required to flip a few burgers and clean a few toilets. Best, Brad From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rich _ Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 6:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] I'm new, I hope this is the right list... What type of equipment does Clear/OpenRange use that allows a connection using one of those 1x3 USB things? On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: None that I know of. Those are the companies like Clear and OpenRange. That model doesn't seem to financially or operationally/technically work. Most if not all the Wisps here install equipment on vertical space (grain leg, building, tower) and install a CPE on the customer roof. From the CPE side, a lot like satellite. Low profile but it is there. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Nov 28, 2011 7:40 PM, Rich _ rich.ema...@gmail.com wrote: How do the companies that have a dongle do it? Are they using something other than a WISP? On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 8:02 PM, Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net wrote: Rich, Given current gear, FCC regulations and available spectrum, outside of reselling cellular you are not going to going to find anything you will be able to reliable allow the customer to self-install. Trust me, there are smarter minds than mine that have been trying to figure that one out since this industry started. As Jay mentioned, Clearwire is probably the closest business model to what you are looking for, and even with their deep pockets and licensed spectrum they are having a tough time making it work. And I think it is precisely because they are choosing to go the route that you are looking for. If they took their spectrum and equipment and used it as traditional, professionally installed fixed wireless setup they would probably have a working business model. Sure their return on investment would be higher due to the installer cost, but if they took a dish-network model to getting installs done they would only be looking at 3-6 months break even on the install cost and considering the amount of money that has already been poured into the business I would think that would be a drop in the bucket. Rich _ wrote: Thx Faisal, I'm located in PA in the USA. But, I'm not interested in starting a WISP based on where I'm located. I'm interested in finding a location that best enables success for the business. Yes, I would be looked at as the business/funding person. A technical partner or technical contractor/employee would be needed. I hope available equipment is quite stable and reliable? On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 6:44 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net mailto:fai...@snappydsl.net wrote: Hi Rich, WISPA General List is actually a Global List. It would go a long ways for relevant folks to reply back to you if you at least share what part of the world ? / State or City if in the US. My personal reaction after reading the first two paragraphs was to suggest that you should consider some other business other than being a WISP. However after reading the last two paragraphs, it sounds like you may be the Business / Funding guy, looking for a Technical Partner to build a business together. The only reason I am saying this is because this is a tough business to be in if you are not going to roll up your sleeves and get your hands dirty. Regards and Good Luck. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 tel:305%20663%205518%20x%20232 tel:305%20663%205518%20x%20232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 tel:305%20663%205518 tel:305%20663%205518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net mailto:supp...@snappydsl.net On 11/28/2011 6:33 PM, Rich _ wrote: Hello, I operate in the custom software development industry and am considering setting up a WISP as a new business investment. I know very little about the industry and am hoping that some of you will not mind giving me some feedback. In exchange, I'll be glad to answer any software development questions you may have that I can answer or that I can get an answer for. I'm a business person. I'm not interested in learning the low-level details about wireless hardware or protocals above and beyond what I need to run the business. I have no desire to ever install/troubleshoot/repair the equipment myself. What I want to do is own the service and run the business. My first thoughts are I
