Re: [WISPA] Fw: Antenna Array Suggestions
In our experience the KPP sectors dont work as well without horizontal separation. Of course you could try to vertically separate them also, but that isnt really an option at this site. Using UBNT radios with 3 kpp sectors, you can expect the radios to see one another at about -1 to -15, depending on the variance of each scan. With UBNT sectors and RF armor, you can expect the radios to see one another at around -28 to -35. In order to achieve the -30 db range with KPP, we have to put them in separate corners of a grainleg platform. While the signal from the CPE might not be as good, you get better performance at worse signals. So a -75 performs like a -68. (signal from CPE, at AP) From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Vince West Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 11:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: Antenna Array Suggestions Heith, If you plan to use Canopy PMP100 2.4Ghz, I would recommend doing ABAB instead of ABC. Paired with 90° sectors from KPP I have found work well. You leave some (although not much) flexibility with keeping channel 6 unused for other APs located in the area (not exclusive and there is always an exception). Running in ABC could cause issues as you have less options for channel switching. The advantage of GPS Sync in the 2.4Ghz band I believe to be a better choice over UBNT, especially if your area around this site is also Canopy (with GPS Sync). Clay also has a good point about the 5Ghz. Adding this (depending on deployments around the area) for your existing customer base for eligible subscribers. This is ideal for LOS clients and will give you some more wiggle room on your 2.4Ghz APs. I can't speak on UBNT 900Mhz because I haven't ever touched it. Canopy 900Mhz is really all I have worked with. The 3Mbps aggregate bandwidth is a turn off for most people, but again, GPS sync on a band that propagates extremely well and is sensitive to interference trumps overall aggregate bandwidth in my opinion. But it is regional. Someone with a low 900Mhz noise floor and little sources of interference will have a different experience. Quality of the service versus aggregate bandwidth is never a question. We do run one MT 900Mhz AP with an XR9 that has proved to perform extremely well, but it is rather isolated from the rest of the 900Mhz we run. Can Canopy and UBNT exist together? In the areas where we have only Canopy, we have not had much luck deploying MT/UBNT. The Canopy destroys the OFDM technologies. YMMV. I like the KPP products. As I upgrade towers I have been replacing UBNT and PAC/Laird sectors. We only run 900Mhz in h-pol, and the KPP 900Mhz antennas are great because they aren't huge due to the lack of a vertical polarity. However, KPP antennas and Canopy PMP100 is going to put a noticeable dent in your wallet. Good luck with your upgrade! I hope all goes well!! Vince On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 10:38 PM, heith petersen wi...@mncomm.com mailto:wi...@mncomm.com wrote: On the 900 more or less just bandwidth throughput to a few customers, more or less wanting more than I can give. This antenna is the stocker UBNT panel. I never thought about someone like KP Performance. Is that what youd suggest? These customers, obviously, were on my 2.4 before and can easily go back, providing I get them the bandwidth. This one was more or less a test for an area I have never tried 900 before. On the Titanium sectors, I hear a lot of mixed emotions about them. I installed one at a location we are testing and its not working out well, however I believe its jammed in a highly intense 2.4 area as it is. You think the Canopy and UBNT 2.4 can co exist together until equipment is swapped out? I have a buddy that installed 1 ubnt sector right below a canopy omni as a test and has been running for close to 3 years. One of those projects that never got finished heith From: Clay Stewart mailto:cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 9:13 PM To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: Antenna Array Suggestions I would place the smaller Rocket M5 UBNT Titanium sectors, along with Rocket M2 Titanium sectors. As for your issue with the UBNT 900 I would need more detail... stats such as signal/NF/CCQ etc... would be good. That is an unshielded 900 and can be taken down or hurt fairly easily. Shielding on the 900 is almost a must. There are also other possible solutions for reducing windload for that 900 as well. On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 9:08 PM, heith petersen wi...@mncomm.com mailto:wi...@mncomm.com wrote: I was looking for a suggestion on 3 120 degree panels for the tower in the picture. I have a connectorized Canopy 2.4 Omni on top at 60 foot, and its overloaded, in my opinion, with 73 subs. I am debating on throwing on a UBNT M5 panel in higher concentration area of current subs, however they are on the other side
[WISPA] possible frozen antenna
http://www.l-com.com/wireless-antenna-24-ghz-15-dbi-omnidirectional-antenna-n-female-connector I have attached a link for an antenna we commonly use on our Canopy PMP100 2.4 Omnis. I have an issue with an AP where everyone has decent signal but throughput is suffering (decent down capacity, crappy up capacity). Usually I have never had ice on these antennas. I did however use to have an icing issue on a smoother 5.7 AP 4 winters ago where I de-iced a few times a day, maybe a total of 20 times that season, on the same tower. This antenna has a rough texture, but I have never, that I know of, had an ice issue on it before. I have a guy trying to determine from the ground if he can detect ice, but it’s a 175 foot climb. It’s a better day than today to climb for sure anyways, just curious if others who may use this antenna has had the issue thanks heith___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] possible frozen antenna
They get condensation in them and they can leak down into the RF connector. Just had one in here that was taken down that was leaking. Visually looked perfect. Steve Barnes General Manager PCSWIN.com Howard LLC. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of heith petersen Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 10:58 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] possible frozen antenna http://www.l-com.com/wireless-antenna-24-ghz-15-dbi-omnidirectional-antenna-n-female-connector I have attached a link for an antenna we commonly use on our Canopy PMP100 2.4 Omnis. I have an issue with an AP where everyone has decent signal but throughput is suffering (decent down capacity, crappy up capacity). Usually I have never had ice on these antennas. I did however use to have an icing issue on a smoother 5.7 AP 4 winters ago where I de-iced a few times a day, maybe a total of 20 times that season, on the same tower. This antenna has a rough texture, but I have never, that I know of, had an ice issue on it before. I have a guy trying to determine from the ground if he can detect ice, but it’s a 175 foot climb. It’s a better day than today to climb for sure anyways, just curious if others who may use this antenna has had the issue thanks heith ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] possible frozen antenna
I’ve seen UBNT omnis do this. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 11:20 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] possible frozen antenna They get condensation in them and they can leak down into the RF connector. Just had one in here that was taken down that was leaking. Visually looked perfect. Steve Barnes General Manager PCSWIN.com Howard LLC. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of heith petersen Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 10:58 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] possible frozen antenna http://www.l-com.com/wireless-antenna-24-ghz-15-dbi-omnidirectional-antenna-n-female-connector I have attached a link for an antenna we commonly use on our Canopy PMP100 2.4 Omnis. I have an issue with an AP where everyone has decent signal but throughput is suffering (decent down capacity, crappy up capacity). Usually I have never had ice on these antennas. I did however use to have an icing issue on a smoother 5.7 AP 4 winters ago where I de-iced a few times a day, maybe a total of 20 times that season, on the same tower. This antenna has a rough texture, but I have never, that I know of, had an ice issue on it before. I have a guy trying to determine from the ground if he can detect ice, but it’s a 175 foot climb. It’s a better day than today to climb for sure anyways, just curious if others who may use this antenna has had the issue thanks heith ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] possible frozen antenna
Well, we first replaced the radio, same results. Then replaced the Antenna. I had a few guys that were on crappy, then they all cleared up except for one. The radios appeared to be real responsive. I have had a few instances where an old P8 would cause havoc with the rest of the subs, and it was a bear determining which sub it was. From: heith petersen Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 9:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] possible frozen antenna http://www.l-com.com/wireless-antenna-24-ghz-15-dbi-omnidirectional-antenna-n-female-connector I have attached a link for an antenna we commonly use on our Canopy PMP100 2.4 Omnis. I have an issue with an AP where everyone has decent signal but throughput is suffering (decent down capacity, crappy up capacity). Usually I have never had ice on these antennas. I did however use to have an icing issue on a smoother 5.7 AP 4 winters ago where I de-iced a few times a day, maybe a total of 20 times that season, on the same tower. This antenna has a rough texture, but I have never, that I know of, had an ice issue on it before. I have a guy trying to determine from the ground if he can detect ice, but it’s a 175 foot climb. It’s a better day than today to climb for sure anyways, just curious if others who may use this antenna has had the issue thanks heith ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] Advice Needed on 200 Mbps FDX Radios
Hi Wisps, We are looking for a pair of radios that can do 200 Mbps FDX over 11 miles (real world, not manufacturer's theoretical marketing promises). We are looking at using an unlicensed link (most likely 5 GHz) due to the time constraints, although we're open to suggestions. The make/model we were considering was Motorola PTP650 with 450 Mbps upgrade license. We are not wed to Motorola, however. The cost seems to be the limiting factor at this point. Another WISP I spoke with mentioned Bridgewave TD60 might be 1 possibility. Your thoughts? Ian Framson Co-founder [image: Trade Show Internet logo]http://s.wisestamp.com/links?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tradeshowinternet.com www.tradeshowinternet.comhttp://s.wisestamp.com/links?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tradeshowinternet.com%2F i...@tradeshowinternet.comhttp://s.wisestamp.com/links?url=mailto%3Aian%40tradeshowinternet.com (866) 385-1504 x701 (818) 590-7475 mobile (415) 704-3153 fax Connect With Us [image: LinkedIn]http://s.wisestamp.com/links?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fin%2Fianframson [image: Facebook]http://s.wisestamp.com/links?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2FTradeShowInternet [image: Google Plus Page]http://s.wisestamp.com/links?url=https%3A%2F%2Fplus.google.com%2F115903484193884732934 [image: Twitter]http://s.wisestamp.com/links?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FTSInternet ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Advice Needed on 200 Mbps FDX Radios
Seems like you are asking a lot of unlicensed, unless it is completely quiet in your area... Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone Original message From: Ian Framson i...@tradeshowinternet.com Date:01/07/2014 6:10 PM (GMT-07:00) To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Advice Needed on 200 Mbps FDX Radios Hi Wisps, We are looking for a pair of radios that can do 200 Mbps FDX over 11 miles (real world, not manufacturer's theoretical marketing promises). We are looking at using an unlicensed link (most likely 5 GHz) due to the time constraints, although we're open to suggestions. The make/model we were considering was Motorola PTP650 with 450 Mbps upgrade license. We are not wed to Motorola, however. The cost seems to be the limiting factor at this point. Another WISP I spoke with mentioned Bridgewave TD60 might be 1 possibility. Your thoughts? Ian Framson Co-founder www.tradeshowinternet.com i...@tradeshowinternet.com (866) 385-1504 x701 (818) 590-7475 mobile (415) 704-3153 fax Connect With Us ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Advice Needed on 200 Mbps FDX Radios
Its doable with the PTP650’s, add 3’ dishes for a nice rx gain Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Christian Palecek Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 9:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Advice Needed on 200 Mbps FDX Radios Seems like you are asking a lot of unlicensed, unless it is completely quiet in your area... Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone Original message From: Ian Framson Date:01/07/2014 6:10 PM (GMT-07:00) To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Advice Needed on 200 Mbps FDX Radios Hi Wisps, We are looking for a pair of radios that can do 200 Mbps FDX over 11 miles (real world, not manufacturer's theoretical marketing promises). We are looking at using an unlicensed link (most likely 5 GHz) due to the time constraints, although we're open to suggestions. The make/model we were considering was Motorola PTP650 with 450 Mbps upgrade license. We are not wed to Motorola, however. The cost seems to be the limiting factor at this point. Another WISP I spoke with mentioned Bridgewave TD60 might be 1 possibility. Your thoughts? Ian Framson Co-founder [Trade Show Internet logo]http://s.wisestamp.com/links?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tradeshowinternet.com www.tradeshowinternet.comhttp://s.wisestamp.com/links?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tradeshowinternet.com%2F i...@tradeshowinternet.comhttp://s.wisestamp.com/links?url=mailto%3Aian%40tradeshowinternet.com (866) 385-1504 x701 (818) 590-7475 mobile (415) 704-3153 fax Connect With Us [LinkedIn] http://s.wisestamp.com/links?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fin%2Fianframson [Facebook] http://s.wisestamp.com/links?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2FTradeShowInternet [Google Plus Page] http://s.wisestamp.com/links?url=https%3A%2F%2Fplus.google.com%2F115903484193884732934 [Twitter] http://s.wisestamp.com/links?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FTSInternet ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Advice Needed on 200 Mbps FDX Radios
On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Ian Framson i...@tradeshowinternet.comwrote: Hi Wisps, We are looking for a pair of radios that can do 200 Mbps FDX over 11 miles (real world, not manufacturer's theoretical marketing promises). We are looking at using an unlicensed link (most likely 5 GHz) due to the time constraints, although we're open to suggestions. The make/model we were considering was Motorola PTP650 with 450 Mbps upgrade license. We are not wed to Motorola, however. The cost seems to be the limiting factor at this point. Another WISP I spoke with mentioned Bridgewave TD60 might be 1 possibility. Your thoughts? UBNT AirFiber 5/5U in 5.8 GHz will be an option when it becomes available. AirFiber 24 GHz is said to provide a full-duplex capacity of 250 Mbps @ 12.5 miles(http://www.ubnt.com/airlink/), but that gives very little room for fade margin, if any. If you can't wait for AF5, you could buy AF24 now, and then replace those with AF5s later in the year. Rubens ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Advice Needed on 200 Mbps FDX Radios
Ruben, We have a product called AB Full Access II . One of the very few FD-FDD radios left on the market. It s available in 5GHz band with high power transmitter which will help you to save antenna size. You can get 200mbps quite easy with that as Ethernet, TDM or fiber. I believe it will do the job for you Thanks Alex Aleksander Freylekhman Sales Director, North America Axxcelera Broadband Wireless a Moseley Company P: (804) 864-4125 M: (440) 220-2192 afreylekh...@axxcelera.com www.axxcelera.com On Jan 7, 2014 8:46 PM, Rubens Kuhl rube...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Ian Framson i...@tradeshowinternet.commailto:i...@tradeshowinternet.com wrote: Hi Wisps, We are looking for a pair of radios that can do 200 Mbps FDX over 11 miles (real world, not manufacturer's theoretical marketing promises). We are looking at using an unlicensed link (most likely 5 GHz) due to the time constraints, although we're open to suggestions. The make/model we were considering was Motorola PTP650 with 450 Mbps upgrade license. We are not wed to Motorola, however. The cost seems to be the limiting factor at this point. Another WISP I spoke with mentioned Bridgewave TD60 might be 1 possibility. Your thoughts? UBNT AirFiber 5/5U in 5.8 GHz will be an option when it becomes available. AirFiber 24 GHz is said to provide a full-duplex capacity of 250 Mbps @ 12.5 miles(http://www.ubnt.com/airlink/), but that gives very little room for fade margin, if any. If you can't wait for AF5, you could buy AF24 now, and then replace those with AF5s later in the year. Rubens ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Advice Needed on 200 Mbps FDX Radios
As specified in http://www.axxcelera.com/product_item_detail.php?id=3050: - Capacity Options Ethernet*:* Up to 100Mbps full duplex plus 2 E1/T1 wayside 200 Mbps aggregate == 200 Mbps Half-Duplex, while the original poster stated a 200 Mbps Full-Duplex requirement. Rubens On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 1:06 AM, Freylekhman, Alex afreylekh...@axxcelera.com wrote: Ruben, We have a product called AB Full Access II . One of the very few FD-FDD radios left on the market. It s available in 5GHz band with high power transmitter which will help you to save antenna size. You can get 200mbps quite easy with that as Ethernet, TDM or fiber. I believe it will do the job for you Thanks Alex Aleksander Freylekhman Sales Director, North America Axxcelera Broadband Wireless a Moseley Company P: (804) 864-4125 M: (440) 220-2192 afreylekh...@axxcelera.com www.axxcelera.com On Jan 7, 2014 8:46 PM, Rubens Kuhl rube...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Ian Framson i...@tradeshowinternet.comwrote: Hi Wisps, We are looking for a pair of radios that can do 200 Mbps FDX over 11 miles (real world, not manufacturer's theoretical marketing promises). We are looking at using an unlicensed link (most likely 5 GHz) due to the time constraints, although we're open to suggestions. The make/model we were considering was Motorola PTP650 with 450 Mbps upgrade license. We are not wed to Motorola, however. The cost seems to be the limiting factor at this point. Another WISP I spoke with mentioned Bridgewave TD60 might be 1 possibility. Your thoughts? UBNT AirFiber 5/5U in 5.8 GHz will be an option when it becomes available. AirFiber 24 GHz is said to provide a full-duplex capacity of 250 Mbps @ 12.5 miles(http://www.ubnt.com/airlink/), but that gives very little room for fade margin, if any. If you can't wait for AF5, you could buy AF24 now, and then replace those with AF5s later in the year. Rubens ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Advice Needed on 200 Mbps FDX Radios
Ruben We have not updated this data sheet in a while, it specs out our older ODU. With new ODU you can go to maximum modem capacity 56MHz at 128QAM. As long as as long as link budget permits you will get full bandwidth with no degradation over distance. I believe you can get 2xSTM1 channels at full modem capacity Alex Aleksander Freylekhman Sales Director, North America Axxcelera Broadband Wireless a Moseley Company P: (804) 864-4125 M: (440) 220-2192 afreylekh...@axxcelera.com www.axxcelera.com On Jan 7, 2014 10:11 PM, Rubens Kuhl rube...@gmail.com wrote: As specified in http://www.axxcelera.com/product_item_detail.php?id=3050: * Capacity Options Ethernet: Up to 100Mbps full duplex plus 2 E1/T1 wayside 200 Mbps aggregate == 200 Mbps Half-Duplex, while the original poster stated a 200 Mbps Full-Duplex requirement. Rubens On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 1:06 AM, Freylekhman, Alex afreylekh...@axxcelera.commailto:afreylekh...@axxcelera.com wrote: Ruben, We have a product called AB Full Access II . One of the very few FD-FDD radios left on the market. It s available in 5GHz band with high power transmitter which will help you to save antenna size. You can get 200mbps quite easy with that as Ethernet, TDM or fiber. I believe it will do the job for you Thanks Alex Aleksander Freylekhman Sales Director, North America Axxcelera Broadband Wireless a Moseley Company P: (804) 864-4125tel:%28804%29%20864-4125 M: (440) 220-2192tel:%28440%29%20220-2192 afreylekh...@axxcelera.commailto:afreylekh...@axxcelera.com www.axxcelera.comhttp://www.axxcelera.com On Jan 7, 2014 8:46 PM, Rubens Kuhl rube...@gmail.commailto:rube...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Ian Framson i...@tradeshowinternet.commailto:i...@tradeshowinternet.com wrote: Hi Wisps, We are looking for a pair of radios that can do 200 Mbps FDX over 11 miles (real world, not manufacturer's theoretical marketing promises). We are looking at using an unlicensed link (most likely 5 GHz) due to the time constraints, although we're open to suggestions. The make/model we were considering was Motorola PTP650 with 450 Mbps upgrade license. We are not wed to Motorola, however. The cost seems to be the limiting factor at this point. Another WISP I spoke with mentioned Bridgewave TD60 might be 1 possibility. Your thoughts? UBNT AirFiber 5/5U in 5.8 GHz will be an option when it becomes available. AirFiber 24 GHz is said to provide a full-duplex capacity of 250 Mbps @ 12.5 miles(http://www.ubnt.com/airlink/), but that gives very little room for fade margin, if any. If you can't wait for AF5, you could buy AF24 now, and then replace those with AF5s later in the year. Rubens ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] Lanbowan Antennas Quality
Need some sectors, panels and grid antennas for an upcoming project. Got some attractive pricing from Lanbowan. Can anyone comment on performance/quality? This is a budget sensitive project so won't be using high end antennas, I'd be using laird or ITElite as other options. I feel like all the antennas I normally buy are made in China anyway, so it might be worth a shot. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Advice Needed on 200 Mbps FDX Radios
Ligowave PTP Unity 23 sounds good too. http://www.ligowave.com/ligoptp-5-23-unity Abraços Siga a Computech no Twitter @computechloja @lucianofranz Compre direto pelo site: www.computechloja.com.br Em 07/01/2014, às 23:46, Rubens Kuhl rube...@gmail.com escreveu: On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Ian Framson i...@tradeshowinternet.com wrote: Hi Wisps, We are looking for a pair of radios that can do 200 Mbps FDX over 11 miles (real world, not manufacturer's theoretical marketing promises). We are looking at using an unlicensed link (most likely 5 GHz) due to the time constraints, although we're open to suggestions. The make/model we were considering was Motorola PTP650 with 450 Mbps upgrade license. We are not wed to Motorola, however. The cost seems to be the limiting factor at this point. Another WISP I spoke with mentioned Bridgewave TD60 might be 1 possibility. Your thoughts? UBNT AirFiber 5/5U in 5.8 GHz will be an option when it becomes available. AirFiber 24 GHz is said to provide a full-duplex capacity of 250 Mbps @ 12.5 miles(http://www.ubnt.com/airlink/), but that gives very little room for fade margin, if any. If you can't wait for AF5, you could buy AF24 now, and then replace those with AF5s later in the year. Rubens ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Advice Needed on 200 Mbps FDX Radios
I believe the point is, unless that part of the data sheet is also out of date ( in which case why have a data sheet? ).. The IDU only has 10/100 ethernet and is going to be really pressed to do 200meg full duplex. And if you can do it through that please let all those UBNT owners who are limited by that know how! :) On 01/07/2014 07:20 PM, Freylekhman, Alex wrote: Ruben We have not updated this data sheet in a while, it specs out our older ODU. With new ODU you can go to maximum modem capacity 56MHz at 128QAM. As long as as long as link budget permits you will get full bandwidth with no degradation over distance. I believe you can get 2xSTM1 channels at full modem capacity Alex Aleksander Freylekhman Sales Director, North America Axxcelera Broadband Wireless a Moseley Company P: (804) 864-4125 M: (440) 220-2192 afreylekh...@axxcelera.com www.axxcelera.com On Jan 7, 2014 10:11 PM, Rubens Kuhl rube...@gmail.com wrote: As specified in http://www.axxcelera.com/product_item_detail.php?id=3050: * Capacity Options Ethernet*:* Up to 100Mbps full duplex plus 2 E1/T1 wayside 200 Mbps aggregate == 200 Mbps Half-Duplex, while the original poster stated a 200 Mbps Full-Duplex requirement. Rubens On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 1:06 AM, Freylekhman, Alex afreylekh...@axxcelera.com mailto:afreylekh...@axxcelera.com wrote: Ruben, We have a product called AB Full Access II . One of the very few FD-FDD radios left on the market. It s available in 5GHz band with high power transmitter which will help you to save antenna size. You can get 200mbps quite easy with that as Ethernet, TDM or fiber. I believe it will do the job for you Thanks Alex Aleksander Freylekhman Sales Director, North America Axxcelera Broadband Wireless a Moseley Company P: (804) 864-4125 tel:%28804%29%20864-4125 M: (440) 220-2192 tel:%28440%29%20220-2192 afreylekh...@axxcelera.com mailto:afreylekh...@axxcelera.com www.axxcelera.com http://www.axxcelera.com On Jan 7, 2014 8:46 PM, Rubens Kuhl rube...@gmail.com mailto:rube...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Ian Framson i...@tradeshowinternet.com mailto:i...@tradeshowinternet.com wrote: Hi Wisps, We are looking for a pair of radios that can do 200 Mbps FDX over 11 miles (real world, not manufacturer's theoretical marketing promises). We are looking at using an unlicensed link (most likely 5 GHz) due to the time constraints, although we're open to suggestions. The make/model we were considering was Motorola PTP650 with 450 Mbps upgrade license. We are not wed to Motorola, however. The cost seems to be the limiting factor at this point. Another WISP I spoke with mentioned Bridgewave TD60 might be 1 possibility. Your thoughts? UBNT AirFiber 5/5U in 5.8 GHz will be an option when it becomes available. AirFiber 24 GHz is said to provide a full-duplex capacity of 250 Mbps @ 12.5 miles(http://www.ubnt.com/airlink/), but that gives very little room for fade margin, if any. If you can't wait for AF5, you could buy AF24 now, and then replace those with AF5s later in the year. Rubens ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Advice Needed on 200 Mbps FDX Radios
Anyone with first-hand experience in this type of setup ? http://www.ligowave.com/ligoptp-5-23-unity Regards Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net - Original Message - From: Ian Framson i...@tradeshowinternet.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2014 8:10:07 PM Subject: [WISPA] Advice Needed on 200 Mbps FDX Radios Hi Wisps, We are looking for a pair of radios that can do 200 Mbps FDX over 11 miles (real world, not manufacturer's theoretical marketing promises). We are looking at using an unlicensed link (most likely 5 GHz) due to the time constraints, although we're open to suggestions. The make/model we were considering was Motorola PTP650 with 450 Mbps upgrade license. We are not wed to Motorola, however. The cost seems to be the limiting factor at this point. Another WISP I spoke with mentioned Bridgewave TD60 might be 1 possibility. Your thoughts? Ian Framson Co-founder www.tradeshowinternet.com i...@tradeshowinternet.com (866) 385-1504 x701 (818) 590-7475 mobile (415) 704-3153 fax Connect With Us ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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On 1/7/2014 8:29 PM, Gino Villarini wrote: Its doable with the PTP650's, add 3' dishes for a nice rx gain I seem to recall a story several years ago, before Orthogon was bought by Moto, about a link somewhere in Central America (Nicaragua or Panama?) that used a pair of 5.8 GHz Orthogon radios, 6 foot dishes, and went over 100 miles. Hilltops and a really big dish will do wonders. Licensed 6 GHz radios, with their 6' dishes, are considered very reliable out to 30 miles. An unlicensed link is not protected against interference the same way but several of the 5.8 GHz options seem plausible. But I wouldn't touch 24 GHz. It's ground zero for rain fade, so long hops there are only useful on sunny days, best in the desert. ;-) The adjacent 23 GHz licensed band has less rain fade, though, and is worth considering, and it should be duck soup on 18 GHz, though again licensed radios cost a bit more, especially the higher-powered or higher-speed options. We're shooting a DragonWave 18 GHz hop about 8 miles across Boston Hahbah and it's very solid, though extreme weather might cause some dropouts. We didn't see any during this past week's snow, though signals faded a few dB during yesterday's rain. Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Christian Palecek *Sent:* Tuesday, January 07, 2014 9:21 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Advice Needed on 200 Mbps FDX Radios Seems like you are asking a lot of unlicensed, unless it is completely quiet in your area... Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone Original message From: Ian Framson Date:01/07/2014 6:10 PM (GMT-07:00) To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Advice Needed on 200 Mbps FDX Radios Hi Wisps, We are looking for a pair of radios that can do 200 Mbps FDX over 11 miles (real world, not manufacturer's theoretical marketing promises). We are looking at using an unlicensed link (most likely 5 GHz) due to the time constraints, although we're open to suggestions. The make/model we were considering was Motorola PTP650 with 450 Mbps upgrade license. We are not wed to Motorola, however. The cost seems to be the limiting factor at this point. Another WISP I spoke with mentioned Bridgewave TD60 might be 1 possibility. Your thoughts? Ian Framson Co-founder Trade Show Internet logo http://s.wisestamp.com/links?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tradeshowinternet.com www.tradeshowinternet.com http://s.wisestamp.com/links?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tradeshowinternet.com%2F i...@tradeshowinternet.com http://s.wisestamp.com/links?url=mailto%3Aian%40tradeshowinternet.com (866) 385-1504 x701 (818) 590-7475 mobile/ /(415) 704-3153 fax Connect With UsLinkedIn http://s.wisestamp.com/links?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fin%2FianframsonFacebook http://s.wisestamp.com/links?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2FTradeShowInternetGoogle Plus Page http://s.wisestamp.com/links?url=https%3A%2F%2Fplus.google.com%2F115903484193884732934Twitter http://s.wisestamp.com/links?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FTSInternet ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Fred R. Goldstein k1io fred at interisle.net Interisle Consulting Group +1 617 795 2701 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Advice Needed on 200 Mbps FDX Radios
Ian, I assume for BridgeWave you meant their AR60 (or AR60X). The 60GHz frequency band is not really designed to work past 1/3 of a mile. But for your close in shots they are great radios for delivering GigE Full Duplex (and it is an unlicensed band). Assuming your links are temporary... then 5GHz radios are your best bet. Guaranteeing 200Mbps Full Duplex will be hard to do though without knowing the noise floor in your area you will deploy (and of course... since the band is unlicensed, someone can fire up a transmitter the next day that may knock you off the air). 24GHz... even in the best of cases... is not a good solution at that distance. 24GHz should be a 3 mile and under band... 5 miles best case. If they are permanent... 11GHz licensed radios would be the best way to guarantee 200Mbps Full Duplex service. [cid:image001.jpg@01CE2975.BD4B6370] Daniel White | Sales Manager West Southeast USA SAF North America LLC Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 Skype: danieldwhite E-mail: daniel.wh...@saftehnika.commailto:daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ian Framson Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2014 6:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Advice Needed on 200 Mbps FDX Radios Hi Wisps, We are looking for a pair of radios that can do 200 Mbps FDX over 11 miles (real world, not manufacturer's theoretical marketing promises). We are looking at using an unlicensed link (most likely 5 GHz) due to the time constraints, although we're open to suggestions. The make/model we were considering was Motorola PTP650 with 450 Mbps upgrade license. We are not wed to Motorola, however. The cost seems to be the limiting factor at this point. Another WISP I spoke with mentioned Bridgewave TD60 might be 1 possibility. Your thoughts? Ian Framson Co-founder [Trade Show Internet logo]http://s.wisestamp.com/links?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tradeshowinternet.com www.tradeshowinternet.comhttp://s.wisestamp.com/links?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tradeshowinternet.com%2F i...@tradeshowinternet.comhttp://s.wisestamp.com/links?url=mailto%3Aian%40tradeshowinternet.com (866) 385-1504 x701 (818) 590-7475 mobile (415) 704-3153 fax Connect With Us [LinkedIn] http://s.wisestamp.com/links?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fin%2Fianframson [Facebook] http://s.wisestamp.com/links?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2FTradeShowInternet [Google Plus Page] http://s.wisestamp.com/links?url=https%3A%2F%2Fplus.google.com%2F115903484193884732934 [Twitter] http://s.wisestamp.com/links?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FTSInternet inline: image001.jpg___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
