Re: [WISPA] FW: End of Life Performant R-Flo Prodcust Line
Wait what product is available then? I thought it was just getting moved under the Accedian name? On 6/30/14, 8:32 AM, Gino Villarini wrote: FYI Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Larry Asten las...@accedian.com mailto:las...@accedian.com Date: Sunday, June 29, 2014 at 10:22 PM To: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com Cc: Luis Cintron lcint...@aeronetpr.com mailto:lcint...@aeronetpr.com, Scott Sumner ssum...@accedian.com mailto:ssum...@accedian.com, gsp...@accedian.com mailto:gsp...@accedian.com gsp...@accedian.com mailto:gsp...@accedian.com, Douglas Smidl dsm...@accedian.com mailto:dsm...@accedian.com, Tom Gill tg...@accedian.com mailto:tg...@accedian.com, Ken Gold kg...@accedian.com mailto:kg...@accedian.com Subject: Enmd of Life Performant R-Flo Prodcust Line Gino, Good morning. I want to advise you , that the Performant R-Flo product line has been discontinued effective 7-1-2014. Please review Product End of Life Notice EOLN20140626 , which is attached , for details on last buy and other key elements of the discontinuation. I also attached the discontinuation notice. Tom and I will remain your account team , moving forward. Let me know Gino if I can answer any questions – gracias. My regards. Larry Asten Regional Sales Director Southeastern Caribbean Region las...@accedian.com mailto:las...@accedian.com 770-757-1751 Cell 1-866-685-8181 Technical Support 530 Champions Hills Drive Alpharetta , Georgia 30004 HQ: 2351 Alfred-Nobel, Suite N-410 St,-Laurent,QC Canadan H4S 2A9 www.accedian.com http://www.accedian.com Description: Description: Description: cid:image003.png@01CD8913.26105180 Accedian Networks, Inc http://www.Accedian.com. 2351 Alfred-Nobel, Suite N-410 St. Laurent QC, H4S 2A9 Canada /Accedian Networks™ is the leading provider of High Performance Service Assurance™ solutions for Carrier Ethernet networks. Our family of wire-speed service demarcation and performance monitoring equipment consistently outperforms switches or routers. With a unique hardware-based FastPAAs™ processor at the core of every product, you get the lowest possible latency, most accurate and granular service performance monitoring and traffic conditioning currently available. Accedian Networks. We ARE performance!/ Avis de confidentialité Les informations contenues dans le présent message et dans toute pièce qui lui est jointe sont confidentielles et peuvent être protégées par le secret professionnel. Ces informations sont à l’usage exclusif de son ou de ses destinataires. Si vous recevez ce message par erreur, veuillez s’il vous plait communiquer immédiatement avec l’expéditeur et en détruire tout exemplaire. De plus, il vous est strictement interdit de le divulguer, de le distribuer ou de le reproduire sans l’autorisation de l’expéditeur. Merci. Confidentiality notice This e-mail message and any attachment hereto contain confidential information which may be privileged and which is intended for the exclusive use of its addressee(s). If you receive this message in error, please inform sender immediately and destroy any copy thereof. Furthermore, any disclosure, distribution or copying of this message and/or any attachment hereto without the consent of the sender is strictly prohibited. Thank you. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] FW: End of Life Performant R-Flo Prodcust Line
That's what I'm confused about. I just did a demo with them and they assured me the product wasn't going anywhere... On Jun 30, 2014 8:05 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: Wait what product is available then? I thought it was just getting moved under the Accedian name? On 6/30/14, 8:32 AM, Gino Villarini wrote: FYI Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Larry Asten las...@accedian.com mailto:las...@accedian.com Date: Sunday, June 29, 2014 at 10:22 PM To: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com Cc: Luis Cintron lcint...@aeronetpr.com mailto:lcint...@aeronetpr.com, Scott Sumner ssum...@accedian.com mailto:ssum...@accedian.com, gsp...@accedian.com mailto:gsp...@accedian.com gsp...@accedian.com mailto:gsp...@accedian.com, Douglas Smidl dsm...@accedian.com mailto:dsm...@accedian.com, Tom Gill tg...@accedian.com mailto:tg...@accedian.com, Ken Gold kg...@accedian.com mailto:kg...@accedian.com Subject: Enmd of Life Performant R-Flo Prodcust Line Gino, Good morning. I want to advise you , that the Performant R-Flo product line has been discontinued effective 7-1-2014. Please review Product End of Life Notice EOLN20140626 , which is attached , for details on last buy and other key elements of the discontinuation. I also attached the discontinuation notice. Tom and I will remain your account team , moving forward. Let me know Gino if I can answer any questions – gracias. My regards. Larry Asten Regional Sales Director Southeastern Caribbean Region las...@accedian.com mailto:las...@accedian.com 770-757-1751 Cell 1-866-685-8181 Technical Support 530 Champions Hills Drive Alpharetta , Georgia 30004 HQ: 2351 Alfred-Nobel, Suite N-410 St,-Laurent,QC Canadan H4S 2A9 www.accedian.com http://www.accedian.com Description: Description: Description: cid:image003.png@01CD8913.26105180 Accedian Networks, Inc http://www.Accedian.com. 2351 Alfred-Nobel, Suite N-410 St. Laurent QC, H4S 2A9 Canada /Accedian Networks™ is the leading provider of High Performance Service Assurance™ solutions for Carrier Ethernet networks. Our family of wire-speed service demarcation and performance monitoring equipment consistently outperforms switches or routers. With a unique hardware-based FastPAAs™ processor at the core of every product, you get the lowest possible latency, most accurate and granular service performance monitoring and traffic conditioning currently available. Accedian Networks. We ARE performance!/ Avis de confidentialité Les informations contenues dans le présent message et dans toute pièce qui lui est jointe sont confidentielles et peuvent être protégées par le secret professionnel. Ces informations sont à l’usage exclusif de son ou de ses destinataires. Si vous recevez ce message par erreur, veuillez s’il vous plait communiquer immédiatement avec l’expéditeur et en détruire tout exemplaire. De plus, il vous est strictement interdit de le divulguer, de le distribuer ou de le reproduire sans l’autorisation de l’expéditeur. Merci. Confidentiality notice This e-mail message and any attachment hereto contain confidential information which may be privileged and which is intended for the exclusive use of its addressee(s). If you receive this message in error, please inform sender immediately and destroy any copy thereof. Furthermore, any disclosure, distribution or copying of this message and/or any attachment hereto without the consent of the sender is strictly prohibited. Thank you. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] 38GHz Spectrum Usage
Outside of the distance sensitivities, is there a clear reason why one would or would not want to use this band? If it's readily available in my area, while the FCC bands are quite congested, would there be anything in particular to compel me to keep away from it and figure out how to use one of the other FCC regulated bands (11, 18 and 23)? Thanks - Jack ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] FW: End of Life Performant R-Flo Prodcust Line
When? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Adair Winter ada...@amarillowireless.netmailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Date: Monday, June 30, 2014 at 10:07 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Cc: a...@afmug.commailto:a...@afmug.com a...@afmug.commailto:a...@afmug.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] FW: End of Life Performant R-Flo Prodcust Line That's what I'm confused about. I just did a demo with them and they assured me the product wasn't going anywhere... On Jun 30, 2014 8:05 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.commailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: Wait what product is available then? I thought it was just getting moved under the Accedian name? On 6/30/14, 8:32 AM, Gino Villarini wrote: FYI Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Larry Asten las...@accedian.commailto:las...@accedian.com mailto:las...@accedian.commailto:las...@accedian.com Date: Sunday, June 29, 2014 at 10:22 PM To: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com Cc: Luis Cintron lcint...@aeronetpr.commailto:lcint...@aeronetpr.com mailto:lcint...@aeronetpr.commailto:lcint...@aeronetpr.com, Scott Sumner ssum...@accedian.commailto:ssum...@accedian.com mailto:ssum...@accedian.commailto:ssum...@accedian.com, gsp...@accedian.commailto:gsp...@accedian.com mailto:gsp...@accedian.commailto:gsp...@accedian.com gsp...@accedian.commailto:gsp...@accedian.com mailto:gsp...@accedian.commailto:gsp...@accedian.com, Douglas Smidl dsm...@accedian.commailto:dsm...@accedian.com mailto:dsm...@accedian.commailto:dsm...@accedian.com, Tom Gill tg...@accedian.commailto:tg...@accedian.com mailto:tg...@accedian.commailto:tg...@accedian.com, Ken Gold kg...@accedian.commailto:kg...@accedian.com mailto:kg...@accedian.commailto:kg...@accedian.com Subject: Enmd of Life Performant R-Flo Prodcust Line Gino, Good morning. I want to advise you , that the Performant R-Flo product line has been discontinued effective 7-1-2014. Please review Product End of Life Notice EOLN20140626 , which is attached , for details on last buy and other key elements of the discontinuation. I also attached the discontinuation notice. Tom and I will remain your account team , moving forward. Let me know Gino if I can answer any questions – gracias. My regards. Larry Asten Regional Sales Director Southeastern Caribbean Region las...@accedian.commailto:las...@accedian.com mailto:las...@accedian.commailto:las...@accedian.com 770-757-1751tel:770-757-1751 Cell 1-866-685-8181tel:1-866-685-8181 Technical Support 530 Champions Hills Drive Alpharetta , Georgia 30004 HQ: 2351 Alfred-Nobel, Suite N-410 St,-Laurent,QC Canadan H4S 2A9 www.accedian.comhttp://www.accedian.com http://www.accedian.com Description: Description: Description: cid:image003.png@01CD8913.26105180mailto:image003.png@01CD8913.26105180 Accedian Networks, Inc http://www.Accedian.com. 2351 Alfred-Nobel, Suite N-410 St. Laurent QC, H4S 2A9 Canada /Accedian Networks™ is the leading provider of High Performance Service Assurance™ solutions for Carrier Ethernet networks. Our family of wire-speed service demarcation and performance monitoring equipment consistently outperforms switches or routers. With a unique hardware-based FastPAAs™ processor at the core of every product, you get the lowest possible latency, most accurate and granular service performance monitoring and traffic conditioning currently available. Accedian Networks. We ARE performance!/ Avis de confidentialité Les informations contenues dans le présent message et dans toute pièce qui lui est jointe sont confidentielles et peuvent être protégées par le secret professionnel. Ces informations sont à l’usage exclusif de son ou de ses destinataires. Si vous recevez ce message par erreur, veuillez s’il vous plait communiquer immédiatement avec l’expéditeur et en détruire tout exemplaire. De plus, il vous est strictement interdit de le divulguer, de le distribuer ou de le reproduire sans l’autorisation de l’expéditeur. Merci. Confidentiality notice This e-mail message and any attachment hereto contain confidential information which may be privileged and which is intended for the exclusive use of its addressee(s). If you receive this message in error, please inform sender immediately and destroy any copy thereof. Furthermore, any disclosure, distribution or copying of this message and/or any attachment hereto without the consent of the sender is strictly prohibited. Thank you. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] FW: End of Life Performant R-Flo Prodcust Line
On June 17th. On Jun 30, 2014 8:40 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: When? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Adair Winter ada...@amarillowireless.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Monday, June 30, 2014 at 10:07 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: a...@afmug.com a...@afmug.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] FW: End of Life Performant R-Flo Prodcust Line That's what I'm confused about. I just did a demo with them and they assured me the product wasn't going anywhere... On Jun 30, 2014 8:05 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: Wait what product is available then? I thought it was just getting moved under the Accedian name? On 6/30/14, 8:32 AM, Gino Villarini wrote: FYI Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Larry Asten las...@accedian.com mailto:las...@accedian.com Date: Sunday, June 29, 2014 at 10:22 PM To: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com Cc: Luis Cintron lcint...@aeronetpr.com mailto:lcint...@aeronetpr.com, Scott Sumner ssum...@accedian.com mailto:ssum...@accedian.com, gsp...@accedian.com mailto:gsp...@accedian.com gsp...@accedian.com mailto:gsp...@accedian.com, Douglas Smidl dsm...@accedian.com mailto:dsm...@accedian.com, Tom Gill tg...@accedian.com mailto:tg...@accedian.com, Ken Gold kg...@accedian.com mailto:kg...@accedian.com Subject: Enmd of Life Performant R-Flo Prodcust Line Gino, Good morning. I want to advise you , that the Performant R-Flo product line has been discontinued effective 7-1-2014. Please review Product End of Life Notice EOLN20140626 , which is attached , for details on last buy and other key elements of the discontinuation. I also attached the discontinuation notice. Tom and I will remain your account team , moving forward. Let me know Gino if I can answer any questions – gracias. My regards. Larry Asten Regional Sales Director Southeastern Caribbean Region las...@accedian.com mailto:las...@accedian.com 770-757-1751 Cell 1-866-685-8181 Technical Support 530 Champions Hills Drive Alpharetta , Georgia 30004 HQ: 2351 Alfred-Nobel, Suite N-410 St,-Laurent,QC Canadan H4S 2A9 www.accedian.com http://www.accedian.com Description: Description: Description: cid: image003.png@01CD8913.26105180 Accedian Networks, Inc http://www.Accedian.com. 2351 Alfred-Nobel, Suite N-410 St. Laurent QC, H4S 2A9 Canada /Accedian Networks™ is the leading provider of High Performance Service Assurance™ solutions for Carrier Ethernet networks. Our family of wire-speed service demarcation and performance monitoring equipment consistently outperforms switches or routers. With a unique hardware-based FastPAAs™ processor at the core of every product, you get the lowest possible latency, most accurate and granular service performance monitoring and traffic conditioning currently available. Accedian Networks. We ARE performance!/ Avis de confidentialité Les informations contenues dans le présent message et dans toute pièce qui lui est jointe sont confidentielles et peuvent être protégées par le secret professionnel. Ces informations sont à l’usage exclusif de son ou de ses destinataires. Si vous recevez ce message par erreur, veuillez s’il vous plait communiquer immédiatement avec l’expéditeur et en détruire tout exemplaire. De plus, il vous est strictement interdit de le divulguer, de le distribuer ou de le reproduire sans l’autorisation de l’expéditeur. Merci. Confidentiality notice This e-mail message and any attachment hereto contain confidential information which may be privileged and which is intended for the exclusive use of its addressee(s). If you receive this message in error, please inform sender immediately and destroy any copy thereof. Furthermore, any disclosure, distribution or copying of this message and/or any attachment hereto without the consent of the sender is strictly prohibited. Thank you. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] 38GHz Spectrum Usage
On 6/30/2014 10:24 AM, Jack Lehmann wrote: Outside of the distance sensitivities, is there a clear reason why one would or would not want to use this band? If it's readily available in my area, while the FCC bands are quite congested, would there be anything in particular to compel me to keep away from it and figure out how to use one of the other FCC regulated bands (11, 18 and 23)? Can you get permission to use 38 GHz? It is one of those strange bits of spectrum that was a auctioned off in geographic chunks, so given blocks of spectrum had exclusive owners in a given area, like cellular. I guess the idea was that they could then build ptp networks without worrying about coordination. But it never caught on. FiberTower had accumulated a lot of 38 GHz licenses and was trying to lease them out, and had a deal with Dragonwave. But they went bankrupt and the licenses were revoked in 2012. Some other license holders might however be looking to find renters. But since there's no rent on 23 GHz, and it's usually easy enough to license it, why bother? 38G is right between 23 and 60, with less rain fade than 60 and none of that oxygen attenuation (why 80 is usually better), but enough rain fade to limit it to about 2 miles reliably useful range in temperate zones (where are you?). -- Fred R. Goldstein k1io fred at interisle.net Interisle Consulting Group +1 617 795 2701 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] FW: End of Life Performant R-Flo Prodcust Line
I'm going to step in here and say my piece, since I believe I'm allowed to now since the company and product is defunct. Accedian upper management is delusional, and makes decisions like a bipolar woman during menopause. Scott Sumner is amazing at marketing, is smart, and is very personable. I think he did the best he could with the resources he had in creating Performant. They did well establishing the brand, and made decent progress getting into the WISP market. I think he was fighting a very tough uphill battle though. They were taking a product which was based on standards not familiar to the wisp market, making it proprietary, and selling it for a very high price (for wisps). They had plans to make several different hardware versions as well, including a smaller/cheaper line, as well as a larger port count product. Scott wasn't given the proper resources to do this. Accedian believed they were going to be the next Ubiquiti somehow -- that their product was going to sell like hotcakes to every Joe Blow. I tried to talk them into lowering the price point, but it wasn't possible with the hardware design... Very well made, Japanese caps, good FPGAs, great board design, nebs3 compliant... But the majority of the wisp market doesn't care about those things... They just want something cheap that works. Unfortunately, anything G8032v2 based is very limiting. I realized this the first time I tried to overlay ospf on top of a rflo ring as part as a use case for a customer. The interface creation for the routers was absolutely insane, and not efficient in any way. The design is very limiting. We have two rings here at SPITwSPOTS, and I spent roughly 20 hours this weekend fighting design issues to do simple things that would be easy on any other type of design topology. I begged them over a year ago to move to what I called RFLOv2, which I suggested should be built on top of SPB, with the same type of wireless link monitoring. This is totally possible, and would have been an amazing product. Traditional mesh design would have worked.The chips were available in quantity even then, but upper management didn't see my vision. A week after I started at performant, I got a phone call from Jason L and Robert Pera. I was to take over as the FedEx Forum guy and design the network there. I passed, because I had just taken the job with performant, and didn't want to be the guy that company hops (performant also was paying me VERY well...). I declined the offer, Greg Sowell took it, and the rest is history. I was told performant had 3 years to turn a profit. About 5 months into working there, i was axed along with 147 employees of accedian by their HR manager. I was told performant was untouchable by accedian HR, and that the performant core team was going to be left alone while it grew. They lied. A few months later, our marketing guy from Motorola / Cambium was fired. He had no idea it was coming. I don't know if accedian did that to anybody else on the performant side, but I know Scott was very unhappy about those decisions. He was lied to as well I think. So anyway, in short, their patents are amazing. The hardware is great. The software, for us, has been very buggy. We had less issues with STP, and less downtime. I guess we'll be moving to MPLS. :) I think they just believed the product would sell like hotcakes, but they really don't understand the wisp market very well. /endrant I wish the people at performant the best. Very talented. Accedian? They can take a hike. On June 30, 2014 6:44:24 AM AKDT, Adair Winter ada...@amarillowireless.net wrote: On June 17th. On Jun 30, 2014 8:40 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: When? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Adair Winter ada...@amarillowireless.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Monday, June 30, 2014 at 10:07 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: a...@afmug.com a...@afmug.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] FW: End of Life Performant R-Flo Prodcust Line That's what I'm confused about. I just did a demo with them and they assured me the product wasn't going anywhere... On Jun 30, 2014 8:05 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: Wait what product is available then? I thought it was just getting moved under the Accedian name? On 6/30/14, 8:32 AM, Gino Villarini wrote: FYI Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Larry Asten las...@accedian.com mailto:las...@accedian.com Date: Sunday, June 29, 2014 at 10:22 PM To: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com Cc: Luis Cintron lcint...@aeronetpr.com mailto:lcint...@aeronetpr.com, Scott Sumner ssum...@accedian.com mailto:ssum...@accedian.com, gsp...@accedian.com mailto:gsp...@accedian.com gsp...@accedian.com
Re: [WISPA] FW: End of Life Performant R-Flo Prodcust Line
Josh Thanks for the feedback. Although wasn’t employed by them, we feel in a similar way. We have poured long hours on the product. We took the units in very early stage and my eng team spent long hours every week with the development tema, doing lots of tests, sorting out bugs and trialling different use cases and designs… Well, time to jump ship I like your idea on SPB and MW. Maybe port this to a HW platform and come with a product! Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.commailto:j...@spitwspots.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Date: Monday, June 30, 2014 at 11:59 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org, Adair Winter ada...@amarillowireless.netmailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net Cc: a...@afmug.commailto:a...@afmug.com a...@afmug.commailto:a...@afmug.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] FW: End of Life Performant R-Flo Prodcust Line I'm going to step in here and say my piece, since I believe I'm allowed to now since the company and product is defunct. Accedian upper management is delusional, and makes decisions like a bipolar woman during menopause. Scott Sumner is amazing at marketing, is smart, and is very personable. I think he did the best he could with the resources he had in creating Performant. They did well establishing the brand, and made decent progress getting into the WISP market. I think he was fighting a very tough uphill battle though. They were taking a product which was based on standards not familiar to the wisp market, making it proprietary, and selling it for a very high price (for wisps). They had plans to make several different hardware versions as well, including a smaller/cheaper line, as well as a larger port count product. Scott wasn't given the proper resources to do this. Accedian believed they were going to be the next Ubiquiti somehow -- that their product was going to sell like hotcakes to every Joe Blow. I tried to talk them into lowering the price point, but it wasn't possible with the hardware design... Very well made, Japanese caps, good FPGAs, great board design, nebs3 compliant... But the majority of the wisp market doesn't care about those things... They just want something cheap that works. Unfortunately, anything G8032v2 based is very limiting. I realized this the first time I tried to overlay ospf on top of a rflo ring as part as a use case for a customer. The interface creation for the routers was absolutely insane, and not efficient in any way. The design is very limiting. We have two rings here at SPITwSPOTS, and I spent roughly 20 hours this weekend fighting design issues to do simple things that would be easy on any other type of design topology. I begged them over a year ago to move to what I called RFLOv2, which I suggested should be built on top of SPB, with the same type of wireless link monitoring. This is totally possible, and would have been an amazing product. Traditional mesh design would have worked.The chips were available in quantity even then, but upper management didn't see my vision. A week after I started at performant, I got a phone call from Jason L and Robert Pera. I was to take over as the FedEx Forum guy and design the network there. I passed, because I had just taken the job with performant, and didn't want to be the guy that company hops (performant also was paying me VERY well...). I declined the offer, Greg Sowell took it, and the rest is history. I was told performant had 3 years to turn a profit. About 5 months into working there, i was axed along with 147 employees of accedian by their HR manager. I was told performant was untouchable by accedian HR, and that the performant core team was going to be left alone while it grew. They lied. A few months later, our marketing guy from Motorola / Cambium was fired. He had no idea it was coming. I don't know if accedian did that to anybody else on the performant side, but I know Scott was very unhappy about those decisions. He was lied to as well I think. So anyway, in short, their patents are amazing. The hardware is great. The software, for us, has been very buggy. We had less issues with STP, and less downtime. I guess we'll be moving to MPLS. :) I think they just believed the product would sell like hotcakes, but they really don't understand the wisp market very well. /endrant I wish the people at performant the best. Very talented. Accedian? They can take a hike. On June 30, 2014 6:44:24 AM AKDT, Adair Winter ada...@amarillowireless.netmailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net wrote: On June 17th. On Jun 30, 2014 8:40 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: When? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Adair Winter
[WISPA] question for the group
Hi all, Is anybody aware of any manufacturers making PtMP gear in the 70/80/90 ghz ranges? All I can seem to find is PtP Thanks, Chris ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] question for the group
I could be wrong, but I thought I read someone saying those bands are not allowed to be used for ptmp purposes in FCC land. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 12:10 PM, Chris Stradtman cstradt...@greenpointcommunications.com wrote: Hi all, Is anybody aware of any manufacturers making PtMP gear in the 70/80/90 ghz ranges? All I can seem to find is PtP Thanks, Chris ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] question for the group
I hadn't heard that, but that might explain why I can't find any then :-) Thx Chris sent from my moto-X On Jun 30, 2014 12:13 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I could be wrong, but I thought I read someone saying those bands are not allowed to be used for ptmp purposes in FCC land. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 12:10 PM, Chris Stradtman cstradt...@greenpointcommunications.com wrote: Hi all, Is anybody aware of any manufacturers making PtMP gear in the 70/80/90 ghz ranges? All I can seem to find is PtP Thanks, Chris ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] 38GHz Spectrum Usage
Your most difficult part might be finding vendors that actually (not just say) manufacturer equipment for the band and then of course stock it. SAF for the record does both - and we work with both of the major spectrum holders in the US (FiberTower and Straight Path). In fact, we have a strategic partnership with Straight Path where you can purchase our equipment and a 5 year license together: https://www.saftehnika.com/en/news/2014#news-344 Performance wise it will be a little bit less than 23GHz. So it will still be a short range frequency but frequency coordination can happen as quick as 24 hours so time to deploy is awesome. Back in my ISP days 38GHz was a key part of our network. Of course those were different times (spectrum congestion wasn't the issue, but we got a lot of 38GHz gear on the cheap (thanks WinStar!) and the license costs were still very low. 38/39GHz (depending on who you talk to) is a very popular frequency band for SAF in Germany specifically, but we also sell a considerable amount of it in the US and Canada. We maintain the band as an in stock product here. Integra (our latest product) will be shipping in 38GHz in the next few weeks. If you have more questions... I'm happy to discuss! [cid:image001.jpg@01CE2975.BD4B6370] Daniel White | Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: (303) 746-3590 Skype: danieldwhite E-mail: daniel.wh...@saftehnika.commailto:daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com SAF Tehnika Integra Introduction Video - http://youtu.be/xqrXOq4Uzgg Spectrum Compact Introduction Video - http://youtu.be/2GoNP974B4k [cid:40B6B97A-78D8-4322-9584-2247AEDCEC32] https://www.facebook.com/SAFTehnika [cid:C62FF935-06DE-41B5-8D9C-6CDF5978E509] https://twitter.com/SAFTehnika [cid:A57FE05F-BC56-4980-982F-1E3DA8E28EBE] http://www.linkedin.com/company/saf-tehnika-jsc [cid:0F4D1499-0C92-4A56-9097-3F468F84263A] http://www.youtube.com/user/SAFTehnika SAF Tehnika JSC www.saftehnika.comapplewebdata://BB026C49-6C28-4CBB-9885-D4B87260AB34/www.saftehnika.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Lehmann Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 10:25 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] 38GHz Spectrum Usage Outside of the distance sensitivities, is there a clear reason why one would or would not want to use this band? If it's readily available in my area, while the FCC bands are quite congested, would there be anything in particular to compel me to keep away from it and figure out how to use one of the other FCC regulated bands (11, 18 and 23)? Thanks - Jack ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] 38GHz Spectrum Usage
Fred, FiberTower was given the majority of the spectrum licenses back FYI [cid:image001.jpg@01CE2975.BD4B6370] Daniel White | Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: (303) 746-3590 Skype: danieldwhite E-mail: daniel.wh...@saftehnika.commailto:daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com SAF Tehnika Integra Introduction Video - http://youtu.be/xqrXOq4Uzgg Spectrum Compact Introduction Video - http://youtu.be/2GoNP974B4k [cid:40B6B97A-78D8-4322-9584-2247AEDCEC32] https://www.facebook.com/SAFTehnika [cid:C62FF935-06DE-41B5-8D9C-6CDF5978E509] https://twitter.com/SAFTehnika [cid:A57FE05F-BC56-4980-982F-1E3DA8E28EBE] http://www.linkedin.com/company/saf-tehnika-jsc [cid:0F4D1499-0C92-4A56-9097-3F468F84263A] http://www.youtube.com/user/SAFTehnika SAF Tehnika JSC www.saftehnika.comapplewebdata://BB026C49-6C28-4CBB-9885-D4B87260AB34/www.saftehnika.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Fred Goldstein Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 10:58 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 38GHz Spectrum Usage On 6/30/2014 10:24 AM, Jack Lehmann wrote: Outside of the distance sensitivities, is there a clear reason why one would or would not want to use this band? If it's readily available in my area, while the FCC bands are quite congested, would there be anything in particular to compel me to keep away from it and figure out how to use one of the other FCC regulated bands (11, 18 and 23)? Can you get permission to use 38 GHz? It is one of those strange bits of spectrum that was a auctioned off in geographic chunks, so given blocks of spectrum had exclusive owners in a given area, like cellular. I guess the idea was that they could then build ptp networks without worrying about coordination. But it never caught on. FiberTower had accumulated a lot of 38 GHz licenses and was trying to lease them out, and had a deal with Dragonwave. But they went bankrupt and the licenses were revoked in 2012. Some other license holders might however be looking to find renters. But since there's no rent on 23 GHz, and it's usually easy enough to license it, why bother? 38G is right between 23 and 60, with less rain fade than 60 and none of that oxygen attenuation (why 80 is usually better), but enough rain fade to limit it to about 2 miles reliably useful range in temperate zones (where are you?). -- Fred R. Goldstein k1io fred at interisle.net Interisle Consulting Group +1 617 795 2701 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Wireless Digest, Vol 29, Issue 56
PtMP is becoming available in 28GHz now. Testing is currently being done with a 2 or 3 manufacturers. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of wireless-requ...@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 12:54 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Wireless Digest, Vol 29, Issue 56 Send Wireless mailing list submissions to wireless@wispa.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to wireless-requ...@wispa.org You can reach the person managing the list at wireless-ow...@wispa.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Wireless digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: question for the group (Josh Luthman) 2. Re: question for the group (Chris Stradtman) 3. Re: 38GHz Spectrum Usage (Daniel White) -- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2014 12:12:40 -0400 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] question for the group To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Message-ID: can9qwj-acs42oinfxg+omayd4+8o+i0w0oflh6khsln3xrz...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I could be wrong, but I thought I read someone saying those bands are not allowed to be used for ptmp purposes in FCC land. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 12:10 PM, Chris Stradtman cstradt...@greenpointcommunications.com wrote: Hi all, Is anybody aware of any manufacturers making PtMP gear in the 70/80/90 ghz ranges? All I can seem to find is PtP Thanks, Chris ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/attachments/20140630/e6953cde/atta chment-0001.html -- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2014 12:27:50 -0400 From: Chris Stradtman cstradt...@greenpointcommunications.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] question for the group To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Message-ID: cajqf+d99duknhayyg0mkut4xd6v8mdjtxp1ck4r2jff+t2y...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I hadn't heard that, but that might explain why I can't find any then :-) Thx Chris sent from my moto-X On Jun 30, 2014 12:13 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I could be wrong, but I thought I read someone saying those bands are not allowed to be used for ptmp purposes in FCC land. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 12:10 PM, Chris Stradtman cstradt...@greenpointcommunications.com wrote: Hi all, Is anybody aware of any manufacturers making PtMP gear in the 70/80/90 ghz ranges? All I can seem to find is PtP Thanks, Chris ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/attachments/20140630/e252f258/atta chment-0001.html -- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2014 16:54:26 + From: Daniel White daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] 38GHz Spectrum Usage To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Message-ID: cd74f3a4067a8b469944b36650c584e51bd59...@exchange.saf.lan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Your most difficult part might be finding vendors that actually (not just say) manufacturer equipment for the band and then of course stock it. SAF for the record does both - and we work with both of the major spectrum holders in the US (FiberTower and Straight Path). In fact, we have a strategic partnership with Straight Path where you can purchase our equipment and a 5 year license together: https://www.saftehnika.com/en/news/2014#news-344 Performance wise it will be a little bit less than 23GHz. So it will still be a short range frequency but frequency coordination can happen as quick as 24 hours so time to deploy is awesome. Back in my ISP days 38GHz was a key part of our network. Of course those were different times (spectrum congestion wasn't the issue, but we got a lot of 38GHz gear on the cheap (thanks WinStar!) and the license costs were still very low. 38/39GHz (depending on who you talk to) is a very popular frequency band for SAF in Germany specifically, but we also sell a considerable amount
Re: [WISPA] question for the group
Not that I am aware of. There are a lot of challenges besides range. Sector antennas become very narrow for instance. A 2ft parabola at this frequency band has a 0.6 degree main lobe. And as Josh said, 80GHz is licensed under Part 101 regulations in the US for PtP applications only, so you wouldn’t be able to deploy even if you found the gear. But there are some countries where the bands are legal (just 70GHz, or say 70/80 in Mexico) for PtMP use. 60GHz is much more likely long term. [cid:image001.jpg@01CE2975.BD4B6370] Daniel White | Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: (303) 746-3590 Skype: danieldwhite E-mail: daniel.wh...@saftehnika.commailto:daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chris Stradtman Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 12:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] question for the group Hi all, Is anybody aware of any manufacturers making PtMP gear in the 70/80/90 ghz ranges? All I can seem to find is PtP Thanks, Chris ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] 38GHz Spectrum Usage
Whats the widest channel on this band? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: daniel.wh...@saftehnika.commailto:daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com daniel.wh...@saftehnika.commailto:daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Date: Monday, June 30, 2014 at 12:54 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 38GHz Spectrum Usage Your most difficult part might be finding vendors that actually (not just say) manufacturer equipment for the band and then of course stock it. SAF for the record does both – and we work with both of the major spectrum holders in the US (FiberTower and Straight Path). In fact, we have a strategic partnership with Straight Path where you can purchase our equipment and a 5 year license together: https://www.saftehnika.com/en/news/2014#news-344 Performance wise it will be a little bit less than 23GHz. So it will still be a short range frequency but frequency coordination can happen as quick as 24 hours so time to deploy is awesome. Back in my ISP days 38GHz was a key part of our network. Of course those were different times (spectrum congestion wasn’t the issue, but we got a lot of 38GHz gear on the cheap (thanks WinStar!) and the license costs were still very low. 38/39GHz (depending on who you talk to) is a very popular frequency band for SAF in Germany specifically, but we also sell a considerable amount of it in the US and Canada. We maintain the band as an in stock product here. Integra (our latest product) will be shipping in 38GHz in the next few weeks. If you have more questions… I’m happy to discuss! [cid:image001.jpg@01CE2975.BD4B6370] Daniel White | Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: (303) 746-3590 Skype: danieldwhite E-mail: daniel.wh...@saftehnika.commailto:daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com SAF Tehnika Integra Introduction Video –http://youtu.be/xqrXOq4Uzgg Spectrum Compact Introduction Video – http://youtu.be/2GoNP974B4k [cid:40B6B97A-78D8-4322-9584-2247AEDCEC32] https://www.facebook.com/SAFTehnika [cid:C62FF935-06DE-41B5-8D9C-6CDF5978E509] https://twitter.com/SAFTehnika [cid:A57FE05F-BC56-4980-982F-1E3DA8E28EBE] http://www.linkedin.com/company/saf-tehnika-jsc [cid:0F4D1499-0C92-4A56-9097-3F468F84263A] http://www.youtube.com/user/SAFTehnika SAF Tehnika JSC www.saftehnika.comapplewebdata://BB026C49-6C28-4CBB-9885-D4B87260AB34/www.saftehnika.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Lehmann Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 10:25 AM To: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] 38GHz Spectrum Usage Outside of the distance sensitivities, is there a clear reason why one would or would not want to use this band? If it's readily available in my area, while the FCC bands are quite congested, would there be anything in particular to compel me to keep away from it and figure out how to use one of the other FCC regulated bands (11, 18 and 23)? Thanks - Jack ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Wireless Digest, Vol 29, Issue 56
Sure. 28GHz/38GHz are both available for PtMP use. Both those are area licenses. Daniel White - Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: (303) 746-3590 Skype: danieldwhite daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Lehmann Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 12:57 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wireless Digest, Vol 29, Issue 56 PtMP is becoming available in 28GHz now. Testing is currently being done with a 2 or 3 manufacturers. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of wireless-requ...@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 12:54 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Wireless Digest, Vol 29, Issue 56 Send Wireless mailing list submissions to wireless@wispa.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to wireless-requ...@wispa.org You can reach the person managing the list at wireless-ow...@wispa.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Wireless digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: question for the group (Josh Luthman) 2. Re: question for the group (Chris Stradtman) 3. Re: 38GHz Spectrum Usage (Daniel White) -- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2014 12:12:40 -0400 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] question for the group To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Message-ID: CAN9qwJ- acs42oinfxg+omayd4+8o+i0w0oflh6khsln3xrz...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I could be wrong, but I thought I read someone saying those bands are not allowed to be used for ptmp purposes in FCC land. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 12:10 PM, Chris Stradtman cstradt...@greenpointcommunications.com wrote: Hi all, Is anybody aware of any manufacturers making PtMP gear in the 70/80/90 ghz ranges? All I can seem to find is PtP Thanks, Chris ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/attachments/20140630/e6953cde/a tta chment-0001.html -- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2014 12:27:50 -0400 From: Chris Stradtman cstradt...@greenpointcommunications.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] question for the group To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Message-ID: CAJqf+d99dUKNHayyg0MkuT4XD6V8mdjTxp1cK4r2jFf+T2ytFQ@ma il.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I hadn't heard that, but that might explain why I can't find any then :-) Thx Chris sent from my moto-X On Jun 30, 2014 12:13 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I could be wrong, but I thought I read someone saying those bands are not allowed to be used for ptmp purposes in FCC land. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 12:10 PM, Chris Stradtman cstradt...@greenpointcommunications.com wrote: Hi all, Is anybody aware of any manufacturers making PtMP gear in the 70/80/90 ghz ranges? All I can seem to find is PtP Thanks, Chris ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/attachments/20140630/e252f258/a tta chment-0001.html -- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2014 16:54:26 + From: Daniel White daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] 38GHz Spectrum Usage To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Message-ID: cd74f3a4067a8b469944b36650c584e51bd59...@exchange.saf.lan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Your most difficult part might be finding vendors that actually (not just say) manufacturer equipment for the band and then of course stock it. SAF for the record does both - and we work with both of the major spectrum holders in the US (FiberTower and Straight Path). In fact, we have a strategic partnership with Straight Path where you can purchase our equipment and a 5 year license
