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Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)

2014-08-06 Thread Mike Hammett

No, but it is on 40. That's about all I use. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Matt Hoppes"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Wednesday, August 6, 2014 3:54:55 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) 

Yes... but not normally on 80MHz wide channels... 

On 8/6/14, 4:54 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: 
> It is by far and away the most prevalent method... ;-) 
> 
> 
> 
> - 
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> http://www.ics-il.com 
> 
> 
>  
> 
>  
> *From: *"Matt Hoppes"  
> *To: *"WISPA General List"  
> *Sent: *Wednesday, August 6, 2014 1:03:11 PM 
> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) 
> 
> I guess... all this backhauling in 5GHz is just making me nauseous. 
> 
> 
> 
> On 8/6/14, 1:48 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: 
>> Higher one way throughput. 
>> More channels to choose from. 
>> DFS hit doesn't take your link down. 
>> External antennas. 
>> Once you add in those external antennas, there are a ton of things that 
>> vary like X-pol and F/B. 
>> Lower power consumption. 
>> Standard PoE. 
>> Etc. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> - 
>> Mike Hammett 
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> http://www.ics-il.com 
>> 
>> 
> 
>  
>> 
>>  
>> *From: *"Matt Hoppes"  
>> *To: *"WISPA General List"  
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, August 6, 2014 12:40:36 PM 
>> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) 
>> 
>> THanks Josh! 
>> I'm not sure this puts the Mimosa device in a positive spot light? 
>> 
>> H/V instead of cross-slant antennas. 
>> Pretty bad F/B compared to the airFiber. 
>> And latency is higher than an airFiber 
>> 
>> What's the "amazing" thing about this new device? 
>> 
>> On 8/5/14, 6:16 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: 
>>> 
>> 
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gurmZ2nJru0e87DZuGxfipTB326NiPOTkLXNIXBDfdc/edit?usp=sharing
>  
>>> 
>>> submit comments for approval / additions please 
>>> 
>>> I'm waiting back on UBNT to help further fill in the chart, and some of 
>>> it I'm lazy on. 
>>> 
>>> TODO: For sure, add bandwidth / distance / modulation / signal / channel 
>>> width table 
>>> 
>>> Also, would like to hear Mimosa's PPS count, and see any results of an 
>>> RFC2544 test (which normally eats most wireless gear alive). 
>>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)

2014-08-06 Thread Mike Hammett

There are some parts of the country where even with 5 WISPs operating, the 5 
GHz band is less congested than the licensed bands. ;-) 




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- Original Message -

From: "Adair Winter"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Wednesday, August 6, 2014 1:39:22 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) 


I'm right there with ya Matt. 


Steve, 
Do you have any competitors in your area? City/County/Government putting up 
5ghz? 


Around here there are 7 (including us) using 5ghz in a WISP/Managed services 
capacity. Add on the city doing a 1-3 antennas on every major intersection in 
town for traffic light control plus some of their own inter building 
connections and it's VERY busy in the main part of town. It's driving us to 
licensed links to get the bandwidth out of our data center where we can use DFS 
to make short jumps to sub towers. 
Last week a competitor (wispa member) fired up a 5ghz link and took down an 
entire tower for us until we moved to a DFS channel then eventually they turned 
it off and we moved back to our original channel. 
Unfortunately because of the distance to this tower I can't use DFS legally and 
because of channel usage don't have a second link. (sucks) 



On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 1:19 PM, Matt Hoppes < mhop...@indigowireless.com > 
wrote: 


I totally understand, Steve. 

What I'm saying is now you have folks throwing up 5GHz 40MHz 
backhauls ew. I guess we'll say. It's nice the options are out 
there, but I wish they could be saved for use in the hands of WISPs only. 




On 8/6/14, 2:17 PM, Steve Barnes wrote: 
> Matt, nausea can be fixed with realism. I have used nothing but 5GHz 
> backhauls for 8 years. Only in the last 2 years have we gone to any 5 GHz 
> Client other than business. I have 15 towers and each has at least 2 paths in 
> and out for redundancy. So that is 35+ Links. Most are 5 miles or more so not 
> an AF24 candidate in my rain zone. I can't afford to just go out and buy 
> $175,000 worth of licensed backhauls. But for the price of one Licensed link 
> I can buy 2.5- 5GHz links (AF5, Mimosa, or whoever) saving me $100,000 when 
> all is said and done. 
> 
> Would I prefer to do all licensed and save all the 5GHz for Customer? Heck 
> Yes!! But that is not the reality I live in. 
> 
> Steve Barnes 
> General Manager 
> PCSWIN.com 
> Howard LLC. 
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On 
> Behalf Of Matt Hoppes 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 2:03 PM 
> To: WISPA General List 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) 
> 
> I guess... all this backhauling in 5GHz is just making me nauseous. 
> 
> 
> 
> On 8/6/14, 1:48 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: 
>> Higher one way throughput. 
>> More channels to choose from. 
>> DFS hit doesn't take your link down. 
>> External antennas. 
>> Once you add in those external antennas, there are a ton of things 
>> that vary like X-pol and F/B. 
>> Lower power consumption. 
>> Standard PoE. 
>> Etc. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> - 
>> Mike Hammett 
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> http://www.ics-il.com 
>> 
>> < https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL >< https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentC 
>> omputingSolutionsDeKalb>< https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent- 
>> computing-solutions>< https://twitter.com/ICSIL > 
>> 
>> -- 
>> -- 
>> *From: *"Matt Hoppes" < mhop...@indigowireless.com > 
>> *To: *"WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > 
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, August 6, 2014 12:40:36 PM 
>> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) 
>> 
>> THanks Josh! 
>> I'm not sure this puts the Mimosa device in a positive spot light? 
>> 
>> H/V instead of cross-slant antennas. 
>> Pretty bad F/B compared to the airFiber. 
>> And latency is higher than an airFiber 
>> 
>> What's the "amazing" thing about this new device? 
>> 
>> On 8/5/14, 6:16 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: 
>>> 
>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gurmZ2nJru0e87DZuGxfipTB326NiP 
>> OTkLXNIXBDfdc/edit?usp=sharing 
>>> 
>>> submit comments for approval / additions please 
>>> 
>>> I'm waiting back on UBNT to help further fill in the chart, and some 
>>> of it I'm lazy on. 
>>> 
>>> TODO: For sure, add bandwidth / distance / modulation / signal / 
>>> channel width table 
>>> 
>>> Also, would like to hear Mimosa's PPS count, and see any results of 
>>> an 
>>> RFC2544 test (which normally eats most wireless gear alive). 
>>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)

2014-08-06 Thread Matt Hoppes

Yes... but not normally on 80MHz wide channels...

On 8/6/14, 4:54 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> It is by far and away the most prevalent method...  ;-)
> 
> 
> 
> -
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> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> *From: *"Matt Hoppes" 
> *To: *"WISPA General List" 
> *Sent: *Wednesday, August 6, 2014 1:03:11 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
> 
> I guess... all this backhauling in 5GHz is just making me nauseous.
> 
> 
> 
> On 8/6/14, 1:48 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>> Higher one way throughput.
>> More channels to choose from.
>> DFS hit doesn't take your link down.
>> External antennas.
>> Once you add in those external antennas, there are a ton of things that
>> vary like X-pol and F/B.
>> Lower power consumption.
>> Standard PoE.
>> Etc.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
> 
>>
>> 
>> *From: *"Matt Hoppes" 
>> *To: *"WISPA General List" 
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, August 6, 2014 12:40:36 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
>>
>> THanks Josh!
>> I'm not sure this puts the Mimosa device in a positive spot light?
>>
>> H/V instead of cross-slant antennas.
>> Pretty bad F/B compared to the airFiber.
>> And latency is higher than an airFiber
>>
>> What's the "amazing" thing about this new device?
>>
>> On 8/5/14, 6:16 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>>
>>
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gurmZ2nJru0e87DZuGxfipTB326NiPOTkLXNIXBDfdc/edit?usp=sharing
>>>
>>> submit comments for approval / additions please
>>>
>>> I'm waiting back on UBNT to help further fill in the chart, and some of
>>> it I'm lazy on.
>>>
>>> TODO: For sure, add bandwidth / distance / modulation / signal / channel
>>> width table
>>>
>>> Also, would like to hear Mimosa's PPS count, and see any results of an
>>> RFC2544 test (which normally eats most wireless gear alive).
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)

2014-08-06 Thread Mike Hammett

It is by far and away the most prevalent method... ;-) 




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- Original Message -

From: "Matt Hoppes"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Wednesday, August 6, 2014 1:03:11 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) 

I guess... all this backhauling in 5GHz is just making me nauseous. 



On 8/6/14, 1:48 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: 
> Higher one way throughput. 
> More channels to choose from. 
> DFS hit doesn't take your link down. 
> External antennas. 
> Once you add in those external antennas, there are a ton of things that 
> vary like X-pol and F/B. 
> Lower power consumption. 
> Standard PoE. 
> Etc. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> - 
> Mike Hammett 
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> http://www.ics-il.com 
> 
> 
>  
> 
>  
> *From: *"Matt Hoppes"  
> *To: *"WISPA General List"  
> *Sent: *Wednesday, August 6, 2014 12:40:36 PM 
> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) 
> 
> THanks Josh! 
> I'm not sure this puts the Mimosa device in a positive spot light? 
> 
> H/V instead of cross-slant antennas. 
> Pretty bad F/B compared to the airFiber. 
> And latency is higher than an airFiber 
> 
> What's the "amazing" thing about this new device? 
> 
> On 8/5/14, 6:16 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: 
>> 
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gurmZ2nJru0e87DZuGxfipTB326NiPOTkLXNIXBDfdc/edit?usp=sharing
>  
>> 
>> submit comments for approval / additions please 
>> 
>> I'm waiting back on UBNT to help further fill in the chart, and some of 
>> it I'm lazy on. 
>> 
>> TODO: For sure, add bandwidth / distance / modulation / signal / channel 
>> width table 
>> 
>> Also, would like to hear Mimosa's PPS count, and see any results of an 
>> RFC2544 test (which normally eats most wireless gear alive). 
>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)

2014-08-06 Thread Chris Ruschmann

Ahh. I missed that option. Thanks :)

sent from my phone!
On Aug 6, 2014 11:02 AM, "Gino Villarini"  wrote:

>   AF can operate in FDD (full MW) or TDD (hdx with sync)
>
>
>
>  Gino A. Villarini
> President
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> www.aeronetpr.com
> @aeronetpr
>
>
>
>   From: Chris Ruschmann 
> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
> Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2014 at 2:02 PM
> To: WISPA General List 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
>
>   The frequency fail over from the dual radios is a golden bonus.
>
> I am confused how AirFiber syncs. I thought these were microwave always
> on. Not tdma
>
> GPS clock sync is not the same thing on AirFiber? How are they aware of
> each others clock cycles when colocated?
>
> sent from my phone!
> On Aug 6, 2014 9:49 AM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>
>>  Higher one way throughput.
>> More channels to choose from.
>> DFS hit doesn't take your link down.
>> External antennas.
>> Once you add in those external antennas, there are a ton of things that
>> vary like X-pol and F/B.
>> Lower power consumption.
>> Standard PoE.
>> Etc.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>
>>  --
>>  *From: *"Matt Hoppes" 
>> *To: *"WISPA General List" 
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, August 6, 2014 12:40:36 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
>>
>> THanks Josh!
>> I'm not sure this puts the Mimosa device in a positive spot light?
>>
>> H/V instead of cross-slant antennas.
>> Pretty bad F/B compared to the airFiber.
>> And latency is higher than an airFiber
>>
>> What's the "amazing" thing about this new device?
>>
>> On 8/5/14, 6:16 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>> >
>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gurmZ2nJru0e87DZuGxfipTB326NiPOTkLXNIXBDfdc/edit?usp=sharing
>> >
>> > submit comments for approval / additions please
>> >
>> > I'm waiting back on UBNT to help further fill in the chart, and some of
>> > it I'm lazy on.
>> >
>> > TODO: For sure, add bandwidth / distance / modulation / signal /
>> channel
>> > width table
>> >
>> > Also, would like to hear Mimosa's PPS count, and see any results of an
>> > RFC2544 test (which normally eats most wireless gear alive).
>> >
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Re: [WISPA] [AFMUG] 5Ghz professional backhauls list

2014-08-06 Thread Colin Stanners

Gino: does this work?

Has anyone ever seen the SAF Freemile 5's approximate price?

Also sending to WISPA wireless list where more brands seem to be known.


5Ghz professional backhauls list.xlsx
Description: MS-Excel 2007 spreadsheet
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Re: [WISPA] [AFMUG] 5Ghz professional backhauls list

2014-08-06 Thread Gino Villarini

I think so..



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President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr



From: Colin Stanners mailto:cstann...@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: "a...@afmug.com" 
mailto:a...@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2014 at 3:32 PM
To: "a...@afmug.com" 
mailto:a...@afmug.com>>, 
"wireless@wispa.org" 
mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5Ghz professional backhauls list

Gino: does this work?

Has anyone ever seen the SAF Freemile 5's approximate price?

Also sending to WISPA wireless list where more brands seem to be known.
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Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)

2014-08-06 Thread Gino Villarini

AF can operate in FDD (full MW) or TDD (hdx with sync)

Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr

From: Chris Ruschmann mailto:ch...@scsalaska.net>>
Reply-To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2014 at 2:02 PM
To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)

The frequency fail over from the dual radios is a golden bonus.

I am confused how AirFiber syncs. I thought these were microwave always on. Not 
tdma

GPS clock sync is not the same thing on AirFiber? How are they aware of each 
others clock cycles when colocated?

sent from my phone!

On Aug 6, 2014 9:49 AM, "Mike Hammett" 
mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
Higher one way throughput.
More channels to choose from.
DFS hit doesn't take your link down.
External antennas.
Once you add in those external antennas, there are a ton of things that vary 
like X-pol and F/B.
Lower power consumption.
Standard PoE.
Etc.

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From: "Matt Hoppes" 
mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com>>
To: "WISPA General List" mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
Sent: Wednesday, August 6, 2014 12:40:36 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)

THanks Josh!
I'm not sure this puts the Mimosa device in a positive spot light?

H/V instead of cross-slant antennas.
Pretty bad F/B compared to the airFiber.
And latency is higher than an airFiber

What's the "amazing" thing about this new device?

On 8/5/14, 6:16 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gurmZ2nJru0e87DZuGxfipTB326NiPOTkLXNIXBDfdc/edit?usp=sharing
>
> submit comments for approval / additions please
>
> I'm waiting back on UBNT to help further fill in the chart, and some of
> it I'm lazy on.
>
> TODO: For sure, add bandwidth / distance / modulation / signal / channel
> width table
>
> Also, would like to hear Mimosa's PPS count, and see any results of an
> RFC2544 test (which normally eats most wireless gear alive).
>
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Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)

2014-08-06 Thread Chris Ruschmann

The frequency fail over from the dual radios is a golden bonus.

I am confused how AirFiber syncs. I thought these were microwave always on.
Not tdma

GPS clock sync is not the same thing on AirFiber? How are they aware of
each others clock cycles when colocated?

sent from my phone!
On Aug 6, 2014 9:49 AM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

> Higher one way throughput.
> More channels to choose from.
> DFS hit doesn't take your link down.
> External antennas.
> Once you add in those external antennas, there are a ton of things that
> vary like X-pol and F/B.
> Lower power consumption.
> Standard PoE.
> Etc.
>
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
> --
> *From: *"Matt Hoppes" 
> *To: *"WISPA General List" 
> *Sent: *Wednesday, August 6, 2014 12:40:36 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
>
> THanks Josh!
> I'm not sure this puts the Mimosa device in a positive spot light?
>
> H/V instead of cross-slant antennas.
> Pretty bad F/B compared to the airFiber.
> And latency is higher than an airFiber
>
> What's the "amazing" thing about this new device?
>
> On 8/5/14, 6:16 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
> >
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gurmZ2nJru0e87DZuGxfipTB326NiPOTkLXNIXBDfdc/edit?usp=sharing
> >
> > submit comments for approval / additions please
> >
> > I'm waiting back on UBNT to help further fill in the chart, and some of
> > it I'm lazy on.
> >
> > TODO: For sure, add bandwidth / distance / modulation / signal / channel
> > width table
> >
> > Also, would like to hear Mimosa's PPS count, and see any results of an
> > RFC2544 test (which normally eats most wireless gear alive).
> >
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Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)

2014-08-06 Thread Steve Barnes

No I wrapped of the County and the City for the most they use me.

Steve Barnes
General Manager
PCSWIN.com
Howard LLC.

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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)

I'm right there with ya Matt.

Steve,
Do you have any competitors in your area? City/County/Government putting up 
5ghz?

Around here there are 7 (including us) using 5ghz in a WISP/Managed services 
capacity. Add on the city doing a 1-3 antennas on every major intersection in 
town for traffic light control plus some of their own inter building 
connections and it's VERY busy in the main part of town. It's driving us to 
licensed links to get the bandwidth out of our data center where we can use DFS 
to make short jumps to sub towers.
Last week a competitor (wispa member) fired up a 5ghz link and took down an 
entire tower for us until we moved to a DFS channel then eventually they turned 
it off and we moved back to our original channel.
Unfortunately because of the distance to this tower I can't use DFS legally and 
because of channel usage don't have a second link. (sucks)

On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 1:19 PM, Matt Hoppes 
mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com>> wrote:
I totally understand, Steve.

What I'm saying is now you have folks throwing up 5GHz 40MHz
backhauls ew.  I guess we'll say.  It's nice the options are out
there, but I wish they could be saved for use in the hands of WISPs only.


On 8/6/14, 2:17 PM, Steve Barnes wrote:
> Matt, nausea can be fixed with realism. I have used nothing but 5GHz 
> backhauls for 8 years. Only in the last 2 years have we gone to any 5 GHz 
> Client other than business.  I have 15 towers and each has at least 2 paths 
> in and out for redundancy.  So that is 35+ Links.  Most are 5 miles or more 
> so not an AF24 candidate in my rain zone.  I can't afford to just go out and 
> buy $175,000 worth of licensed backhauls.  But for the price of one Licensed 
> link I can buy 2.5- 5GHz links (AF5, Mimosa, or whoever)  saving me $100,000 
> when all is said and done.
>
> Would I prefer to do all licensed and save all the 5GHz for Customer?  Heck 
> Yes!!  But that is not the reality I live in.
>
> Steve Barnes
> General Manager
> PCSWIN.com
> Howard LLC.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 2:03 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
>
> I guess... all this backhauling in 5GHz is just making me nauseous.
>
>
>
> On 8/6/14, 1:48 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>> Higher one way throughput.
>> More channels to choose from.
>> DFS hit doesn't take your link down.
>> External antennas.
>> Once you add in those external antennas, there are a ton of things
>> that vary like X-pol and F/B.
>> Lower power consumption.
>> Standard PoE.
>> Etc.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> > omputingSolutionsDeKalb>> computing-solutions>
>>
>> --
>> --
>> *From: *"Matt Hoppes" 
>> mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com>>
>> *To: *"WISPA General List" mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, August 6, 2014 12:40:36 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
>>
>> THanks Josh!
>> I'm not sure this puts the Mimosa device in a positive spot light?
>>
>> H/V instead of cross-slant antennas.
>> Pretty bad F/B compared to the airFiber.
>> And latency is higher than an airFiber
>>
>> What's the "amazing" thing about this new device?
>>
>> On 8/5/14, 6:16 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>>
>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gurmZ2nJru0e87DZuGxfipTB326NiP
>> OTkLXNIXBDfdc/edit?usp=sharing
>>>
>>> submit comments for approval / additions please
>>>
>>> I'm waiting back on UBNT to help further fill in the chart, and some
>>> of it I'm lazy on.
>>>
>>> TODO: For sure, add bandwidth / distance / modulation / signal /
>>> channel width table
>>>
>>> Also, would like to hear Mimosa's PPS count, and see any results of
>>> an
>>> RFC2544 test (which normally eats most wireless gear alive).
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)

2014-08-06 Thread Adair Winter

I'm right there with ya Matt.

Steve,
Do you have any competitors in your area? City/County/Government putting up
5ghz?

Around here there are 7 (including us) using 5ghz in a WISP/Managed
services capacity. Add on the city doing a 1-3 antennas on every major
intersection in town for traffic light control plus some of their own inter
building connections and it's VERY busy in the main part of town. It's
driving us to licensed links to get the bandwidth out of our data center
where we can use DFS to make short jumps to sub towers.
Last week a competitor (wispa member) fired up a 5ghz link and took down an
entire tower for us until we moved to a DFS channel then eventually they
turned it off and we moved back to our original channel.
Unfortunately because of the distance to this tower I can't use DFS legally
and because of channel usage don't have a second link. (sucks)


On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 1:19 PM, Matt Hoppes 
wrote:

> I totally understand, Steve.
>
> What I'm saying is now you have folks throwing up 5GHz 40MHz
> backhauls ew.  I guess we'll say.  It's nice the options are out
> there, but I wish they could be saved for use in the hands of WISPs only.
>
>
> On 8/6/14, 2:17 PM, Steve Barnes wrote:
> > Matt, nausea can be fixed with realism. I have used nothing but 5GHz
> backhauls for 8 years. Only in the last 2 years have we gone to any 5 GHz
> Client other than business.  I have 15 towers and each has at least 2 paths
> in and out for redundancy.  So that is 35+ Links.  Most are 5 miles or more
> so not an AF24 candidate in my rain zone.  I can't afford to just go out
> and buy $175,000 worth of licensed backhauls.  But for the price of one
> Licensed link I can buy 2.5- 5GHz links (AF5, Mimosa, or whoever)  saving
> me $100,000 when all is said and done.
> >
> > Would I prefer to do all licensed and save all the 5GHz for Customer?
>  Heck Yes!!  But that is not the reality I live in.
> >
> > Steve Barnes
> > General Manager
> > PCSWIN.com
> > Howard LLC.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 2:03 PM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
> >
> > I guess... all this backhauling in 5GHz is just making me nauseous.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 8/6/14, 1:48 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> >> Higher one way throughput.
> >> More channels to choose from.
> >> DFS hit doesn't take your link down.
> >> External antennas.
> >> Once you add in those external antennas, there are a ton of things
> >> that vary like X-pol and F/B.
> >> Lower power consumption.
> >> Standard PoE.
> >> Etc.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -
> >> Mike Hammett
> >> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> >> http://www.ics-il.com
> >>
> >>  >> omputingSolutionsDeKalb> >> computing-solutions>
> >>
> >> --
> >> --
> >> *From: *"Matt Hoppes" 
> >> *To: *"WISPA General List" 
> >> *Sent: *Wednesday, August 6, 2014 12:40:36 PM
> >> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
> >>
> >> THanks Josh!
> >> I'm not sure this puts the Mimosa device in a positive spot light?
> >>
> >> H/V instead of cross-slant antennas.
> >> Pretty bad F/B compared to the airFiber.
> >> And latency is higher than an airFiber
> >>
> >> What's the "amazing" thing about this new device?
> >>
> >> On 8/5/14, 6:16 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
> >>>
> >> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gurmZ2nJru0e87DZuGxfipTB326NiP
> >> OTkLXNIXBDfdc/edit?usp=sharing
> >>>
> >>> submit comments for approval / additions please
> >>>
> >>> I'm waiting back on UBNT to help further fill in the chart, and some
> >>> of it I'm lazy on.
> >>>
> >>> TODO: For sure, add bandwidth / distance / modulation / signal /
> >>> channel width table
> >>>
> >>> Also, would like to hear Mimosa's PPS count, and see any results of
> >>> an
> >>> RFC2544 test (which normally eats most wireless gear alive).
> >>>
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Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)

2014-08-06 Thread Matt Hoppes

I totally understand, Steve.

What I'm saying is now you have folks throwing up 5GHz 40MHz
backhauls ew.  I guess we'll say.  It's nice the options are out
there, but I wish they could be saved for use in the hands of WISPs only.


On 8/6/14, 2:17 PM, Steve Barnes wrote:
> Matt, nausea can be fixed with realism. I have used nothing but 5GHz 
> backhauls for 8 years. Only in the last 2 years have we gone to any 5 GHz 
> Client other than business.  I have 15 towers and each has at least 2 paths 
> in and out for redundancy.  So that is 35+ Links.  Most are 5 miles or more 
> so not an AF24 candidate in my rain zone.  I can't afford to just go out and 
> buy $175,000 worth of licensed backhauls.  But for the price of one Licensed 
> link I can buy 2.5- 5GHz links (AF5, Mimosa, or whoever)  saving me $100,000 
> when all is said and done.  
> 
> Would I prefer to do all licensed and save all the 5GHz for Customer?  Heck 
> Yes!!  But that is not the reality I live in.
> 
> Steve Barnes
> General Manager
> PCSWIN.com
> Howard LLC.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 2:03 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
> 
> I guess... all this backhauling in 5GHz is just making me nauseous.
> 
> 
> 
> On 8/6/14, 1:48 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>> Higher one way throughput.
>> More channels to choose from.
>> DFS hit doesn't take your link down.
>> External antennas.
>> Once you add in those external antennas, there are a ton of things 
>> that vary like X-pol and F/B.
>> Lower power consumption.
>> Standard PoE.
>> Etc.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> > omputingSolutionsDeKalb>> computing-solutions>
>>
>> --
>> --
>> *From: *"Matt Hoppes" 
>> *To: *"WISPA General List" 
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, August 6, 2014 12:40:36 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
>>
>> THanks Josh!
>> I'm not sure this puts the Mimosa device in a positive spot light?
>>
>> H/V instead of cross-slant antennas.
>> Pretty bad F/B compared to the airFiber.
>> And latency is higher than an airFiber
>>
>> What's the "amazing" thing about this new device?
>>
>> On 8/5/14, 6:16 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>>
>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gurmZ2nJru0e87DZuGxfipTB326NiP
>> OTkLXNIXBDfdc/edit?usp=sharing
>>>
>>> submit comments for approval / additions please
>>>
>>> I'm waiting back on UBNT to help further fill in the chart, and some 
>>> of it I'm lazy on.
>>>
>>> TODO: For sure, add bandwidth / distance / modulation / signal / 
>>> channel width table
>>>
>>> Also, would like to hear Mimosa's PPS count, and see any results of 
>>> an
>>> RFC2544 test (which normally eats most wireless gear alive).
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)

2014-08-06 Thread Steve Barnes

Matt, nausea can be fixed with realism. I have used nothing but 5GHz backhauls 
for 8 years. Only in the last 2 years have we gone to any 5 GHz Client other 
than business.  I have 15 towers and each has at least 2 paths in and out for 
redundancy.  So that is 35+ Links.  Most are 5 miles or more so not an AF24 
candidate in my rain zone.  I can't afford to just go out and buy $175,000 
worth of licensed backhauls.  But for the price of one Licensed link I can buy 
2.5- 5GHz links (AF5, Mimosa, or whoever)  saving me $100,000 when all is said 
and done.  

Would I prefer to do all licensed and save all the 5GHz for Customer?  Heck 
Yes!!  But that is not the reality I live in.

Steve Barnes
General Manager
PCSWIN.com
Howard LLC.

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 2:03 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)

I guess... all this backhauling in 5GHz is just making me nauseous.



On 8/6/14, 1:48 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> Higher one way throughput.
> More channels to choose from.
> DFS hit doesn't take your link down.
> External antennas.
> Once you add in those external antennas, there are a ton of things 
> that vary like X-pol and F/B.
> Lower power consumption.
> Standard PoE.
> Etc.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
> 
>  omputingSolutionsDeKalb> computing-solutions>
> 
> --
> --
> *From: *"Matt Hoppes" 
> *To: *"WISPA General List" 
> *Sent: *Wednesday, August 6, 2014 12:40:36 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
> 
> THanks Josh!
> I'm not sure this puts the Mimosa device in a positive spot light?
> 
> H/V instead of cross-slant antennas.
> Pretty bad F/B compared to the airFiber.
> And latency is higher than an airFiber
> 
> What's the "amazing" thing about this new device?
> 
> On 8/5/14, 6:16 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gurmZ2nJru0e87DZuGxfipTB326NiP
> OTkLXNIXBDfdc/edit?usp=sharing
>>
>> submit comments for approval / additions please
>>
>> I'm waiting back on UBNT to help further fill in the chart, and some 
>> of it I'm lazy on.
>>
>> TODO: For sure, add bandwidth / distance / modulation / signal / 
>> channel width table
>>
>> Also, would like to hear Mimosa's PPS count, and see any results of 
>> an
>> RFC2544 test (which normally eats most wireless gear alive).
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)

2014-08-06 Thread Matt Hoppes

I guess... all this backhauling in 5GHz is just making me nauseous.



On 8/6/14, 1:48 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> Higher one way throughput.
> More channels to choose from.
> DFS hit doesn't take your link down.
> External antennas.
> Once you add in those external antennas, there are a ton of things that
> vary like X-pol and F/B.
> Lower power consumption.
> Standard PoE.
> Etc.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> *From: *"Matt Hoppes" 
> *To: *"WISPA General List" 
> *Sent: *Wednesday, August 6, 2014 12:40:36 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
> 
> THanks Josh!
> I'm not sure this puts the Mimosa device in a positive spot light?
> 
> H/V instead of cross-slant antennas.
> Pretty bad F/B compared to the airFiber.
> And latency is higher than an airFiber
> 
> What's the "amazing" thing about this new device?
> 
> On 8/5/14, 6:16 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gurmZ2nJru0e87DZuGxfipTB326NiPOTkLXNIXBDfdc/edit?usp=sharing
>>
>> submit comments for approval / additions please
>>
>> I'm waiting back on UBNT to help further fill in the chart, and some of
>> it I'm lazy on.
>>
>> TODO: For sure, add bandwidth / distance / modulation / signal / channel
>> width table
>>
>> Also, would like to hear Mimosa's PPS count, and see any results of an
>> RFC2544 test (which normally eats most wireless gear alive).
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)

2014-08-06 Thread Mike Hammett

Higher one way throughput. 
More channels to choose from. 
DFS hit doesn't take your link down. 
External antennas. 
Once you add in those external antennas, there are a ton of things that vary 
like X-pol and F/B. 
Lower power consumption. 
Standard PoE. 
Etc. 

- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Matt Hoppes"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Wednesday, August 6, 2014 12:40:36 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) 

THanks Josh! 
I'm not sure this puts the Mimosa device in a positive spot light? 

H/V instead of cross-slant antennas. 
Pretty bad F/B compared to the airFiber. 
And latency is higher than an airFiber 

What's the "amazing" thing about this new device? 

On 8/5/14, 6:16 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: 
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gurmZ2nJru0e87DZuGxfipTB326NiPOTkLXNIXBDfdc/edit?usp=sharing
>  
> 
> submit comments for approval / additions please 
> 
> I'm waiting back on UBNT to help further fill in the chart, and some of 
> it I'm lazy on. 
> 
> TODO: For sure, add bandwidth / distance / modulation / signal / channel 
> width table 
> 
> Also, would like to hear Mimosa's PPS count, and see any results of an 
> RFC2544 test (which normally eats most wireless gear alive). 
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)

2014-08-06 Thread Matt Hoppes

THanks Josh!
I'm not sure this puts the Mimosa device in a positive spot light?

H/V instead of cross-slant antennas.
Pretty bad F/B compared to the airFiber.
And latency is higher than an airFiber

What's the "amazing" thing about this new device?

On 8/5/14, 6:16 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gurmZ2nJru0e87DZuGxfipTB326NiPOTkLXNIXBDfdc/edit?usp=sharing
> 
> submit comments for approval / additions please
> 
> I'm waiting back on UBNT to help further fill in the chart, and some of 
> it I'm lazy on.
> 
> TODO: For sure, add bandwidth / distance / modulation / signal / channel 
> width table
> 
> Also, would like to hear Mimosa's PPS count, and see any results of an 
> RFC2544 test (which normally eats most wireless gear alive).
> 
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