Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product
Hello, it depends on what you want/can achieve and how much bandwidth you have (and the experince you want to give to the users) In few words: those boxes do not invent bandwidth they (all) try to improve how you manage it. So those boxes are managing the bandwidth with their policies that could or could not fit your policies. Some simple tricks will help you to move the traffic locally (e.g. Implementing local web-caching, local DNS, etc) but for sure you have to work on the infrastructure to optimize the traffic. The nice thing, in that case, is that you will be more aware of what your users are doing and how to make them happy; the bad part of the story is that you have to spend time (or consultants) to get it. For the hardware, many are using Mikrotik CCR or even slower/cheaper Mikrotik models. For sure investing more in infrastructure will help a lot :) Just my 2 cents Having used Allot NetEnforcer for years, then moved to Exinda for years, we are now considering removing bandwidth managers altogether and relying solely on policing on radios, QoS policies on core routers layer 3 switches, and monitoring flows using Netflow. More work, but much less $$. Allows us to invest in infrastructure rather than extraordinarily expensive bandwidth management devices. *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Larry A. Weidig *Sent:* Friday, October 24, 2014 10:17 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product Very interesting, thanks for the lead. Seems they have a product and a library available. Have contacted them for additional information. Larry A. Weidig (lwei...@excel.net mailto:lwei...@excel.net) Excel.Net, Inc. – http://www.excel.net/ (920) 452-0455 – Sheboygan/Plymouth area (888) 489-9995 – Other areas, toll-free *From: *Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com mailto:j...@spitwspots.com *To: *wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Friday, October 24, 2014 7:15:20 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product should check out ipoque and their PACE engine Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 10/24/2014 03:40 PM, Larry A. Weidig wrote: We have done some searching in this arena and have only found a couple of what seem to be similar products available: Allot Communications - NetEnforcer (does a lot, costs a lot so they live up to their name :) ) Netaxcel - Found it, did not dig far into it NetEqualizer - Reasonable, but not as featured as Procera / Allot Emerging Technologies - We used to have one of their boxes, would not EVER use again not because of the software / hardware but the owner / lead developer which may have changed as it was a long time ago we used this Overall it seemed Procera was the best solution, just having a difficult time justifying the expense as well. I say we all throw in $5K, hire some developers and get one made that we have control over :) I have to believe some decent server quality hardware running on an open source operating system with custom code could fit the bill. Just don't have time to work on this myself. Larry A. Weidig (lwei...@excel.net mailto:lwei...@excel.net) Excel.Net, Inc. – http://www.excel.net/ (920) 452-0455 – Sheboygan/Plymouth area (888) 489-9995 – Other areas, toll-free *From: *Dave Barker d...@broadlincwireless.com mailto:d...@broadlincwireless.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Friday, October 24, 2014 4:38:16 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product Back to the original question, is there anything else out there that does what Procera can do? On Oct 24, 2014, at 10:19 AM, Art Stephens asteph...@ptera.com mailto:asteph...@ptera.com wrote: I can not speak for sales since we bought our Procera through Powercode - but tech support has be very responsive using their web based support system. -- Arthur Stephens Senior Networking Technician Ptera Inc. PO Box 135 24001 E Mission Suite 50 Liberty Lake, WA 99019 509-927-7837 ptera.com http://ptera.com facebook.com/PteraInc http://facebook.com/PteraInc | twitter.com/Ptera http://twitter.com/Ptera - This message may contain confidential and/or propriety
[WISPA] here comes 100 Gpon
http://bbpmag.com/wordpress2/2014/10/huawei-announces-100g-pon-optical-access-technology/ Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] canopy 7.2.9 sw in pk2 format
When I try to unzip this file I get a corrupt header error. On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 7:09 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: https://www.dropbox.com/s/m4fhe3wuq2dacek/7.2.9_pkg2.zip?dl=0 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Oct 27, 2014 7:45 PM, Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone have a copy of this handy? Thanks in advance. -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] canopy 7.2.9 sw in pk2 format
How about this? https://www.dropbox.com/s/blkk8xxs8ywo0ms/7.2.9.zip?dl=0 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Oct 28, 2014 10:05 AM, Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com wrote: When I try to unzip this file I get a corrupt header error. On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 7:09 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: https://www.dropbox.com/s/m4fhe3wuq2dacek/7.2.9_pkg2.zip?dl=0 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Oct 27, 2014 7:45 PM, Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone have a copy of this handy? Thanks in advance. -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] here comes 100 Gpon
Stolen from? :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 8:58:42 AM Subject: [WISPA] here comes 100 Gpon http://bbpmag.com/wordpress2/2014/10/huawei-announces-100g-pon-optical-access-technology/ Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] here comes 100 Gpon
No one… Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netmailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 at 10:58 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] here comes 100 Gpon Stolen from? :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 8:58:42 AM Subject: [WISPA] here comes 100 Gpon http://bbpmag.com/wordpress2/2014/10/huawei-announces-100g-pon-optical-access-technology/ Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] awesome mount
Nothing more permanent than a temporary install. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of heith Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 11:46 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] awesome mount This was done by a former tech that forgot to fix his temp mount several years ago due to insufficient parts availability. The Canopy belongs to a computer store who called last night a few minutes before 5 PM. They were cool with us coming down at 8 this morning. A few minutes later the bar that uses the UBNT called saying their point of sale system was down during Wing Night. My tech had just left for the day to go to his martial arts class so I was stuck making the fix. Was I surprised to see this monstrosity with the bolts pulled out of the OSB board and laying on its side. Fortunately there were a few dish network roof mounts laying around with extra bricks to get me by ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] [QUAR] Re: here comes 100 Gpon
Yes.. And? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 at 11:19 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: [QUAR] Re: [WISPA] here comes 100 Gpon You saw it was Huawei right? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Oct 28, 2014 11:17 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: No one… Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netmailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 at 10:58 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] here comes 100 Gpon Stolen from? :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 8:58:42 AM Subject: [WISPA] here comes 100 Gpon http://bbpmag.com/wordpress2/2014/10/huawei-announces-100g-pon-optical-access-technology/ Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] here comes 100 Gpon
I’m guessing when this actually makes it to market you will have everyone not far behind since most use the same chipsets. Carlos Alcantar Race Communications / Race Team Member 1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010 Phone: +1 415 376 3314 / car...@race.com / http://www.race.com From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 at 8:19 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] here comes 100 Gpon You saw it was Huawei right? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Oct 28, 2014 11:17 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: No one… Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netmailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 at 10:58 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] here comes 100 Gpon Stolen from? :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 8:58:42 AM Subject: [WISPA] here comes 100 Gpon http://bbpmag.com/wordpress2/2014/10/huawei-announces-100g-pon-optical-access-technology/ Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] Change of email address
I work at GoZoe Wireless and we have been a member as long as I have been here (4 years). What is the process to change the email address for the WISPA emails? My new address is: j...@izoom4u.com Thanks, Jose -- Jose Dorado Supervisor Gozoe Wireless 903-263-6302 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Change of email address
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/options/wireless If you don't have your password, then you can put in your email for the forgot password to get it. You should be able to change your email address there. Regards, Chuck On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Do you have access to the old one? Just unsubscribe it. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Oct 28, 2014 1:13 PM, Jose Dorado j...@gozoewireless.net wrote: I work at GoZoe Wireless and we have been a member as long as I have been here (4 years). What is the process to change the email address for the WISPA emails? My new address is: j...@izoom4u.com Thanks, Jose -- Jose Dorado Supervisor Gozoe Wireless 903-263-6302 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Change of email address
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone Original message From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Date:10/28/2014 12:15 PM (GMT-06:00) To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Change of email address Do you have access to the old one? Just unsubscribe it. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Oct 28, 2014 1:13 PM, Jose Dorado j...@gozoewireless.net wrote: I work at GoZoe Wireless and we have been a member as long as I have been here (4 years). What is the process to change the email address for the WISPA emails? My new address is: j...@izoom4u.com Thanks, Jose -- Jose Dorado Supervisor Gozoe Wireless 903-263-6302 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product
For those that are unaware of it you should take a look at Apple's Caching Server 2. It is pretty cool, it provides Apple software updates, iTunes content and basically anything Apple in a local cache that is transparent to the client. Apple looks at the source IP of the device asking for content and tells it to hit the local IP of your caching server. My day job is a Network Administrator at a technical college. This has prevented the APPLE DAYS OF DOOM when they release updates in regards to our open (public) wireless network. Tim Way On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 4:48 AM, Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@level7.it wrote: Hello, it depends on what you want/can achieve and how much bandwidth you have (and the experince you want to give to the users) In few words: those boxes do not invent bandwidth they (all) try to improve how you manage it. So those boxes are managing the bandwidth with their policies that could or could not fit your policies. Some simple tricks will help you to move the traffic locally (e.g. Implementing local web-caching, local DNS, etc) but for sure you have to work on the infrastructure to optimize the traffic. The nice thing, in that case, is that you will be more aware of what your users are doing and how to make them happy; the bad part of the story is that you have to spend time (or consultants) to get it. For the hardware, many are using Mikrotik CCR or even slower/cheaper Mikrotik models. For sure investing more in infrastructure will help a lot :) Just my 2 cents Having used Allot NetEnforcer for years, then moved to Exinda for years, we are now considering removing bandwidth managers altogether and relying solely on policing on radios, QoS policies on core routers layer 3 switches, and monitoring flows using Netflow. More work, but much less $$. Allows us to invest in infrastructure rather than extraordinarily expensive bandwidth management devices. *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Larry A. Weidig *Sent:* Friday, October 24, 2014 10:17 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product Very interesting, thanks for the lead. Seems they have a product and a library available. Have contacted them for additional information. Larry A. Weidig (lwei...@excel.net mailto:lwei...@excel.net) Excel.Net, Inc. – http://www.excel.net/ (920) 452-0455 – Sheboygan/Plymouth area (888) 489-9995 – Other areas, toll-free *From: *Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com mailto:j...@spitwspots.com *To: *wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Friday, October 24, 2014 7:15:20 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product should check out ipoque and their PACE engine Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 10/24/2014 03:40 PM, Larry A. Weidig wrote: We have done some searching in this arena and have only found a couple of what seem to be similar products available: Allot Communications - NetEnforcer (does a lot, costs a lot so they live up to their name :) ) Netaxcel - Found it, did not dig far into it NetEqualizer - Reasonable, but not as featured as Procera / Allot Emerging Technologies - We used to have one of their boxes, would not EVER use again not because of the software / hardware but the owner / lead developer which may have changed as it was a long time ago we used this Overall it seemed Procera was the best solution, just having a difficult time justifying the expense as well. I say we all throw in $5K, hire some developers and get one made that we have control over :) I have to believe some decent server quality hardware running on an open source operating system with custom code could fit the bill. Just don't have time to work on this myself. Larry A. Weidig (lwei...@excel.net mailto:lwei...@excel.net) Excel.Net, Inc. – http://www.excel.net/ (920) 452-0455 – Sheboygan/Plymouth area (888) 489-9995 – Other areas, toll-free *From: *Dave Barker d...@broadlincwireless.com mailto:d...@broadlincwireless.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Friday, October 24, 2014 4:38:16 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product Back to the original question, is there anything else out there that does what Procera can do? On Oct 24, 2014, at 10:19 AM, Art Stephens asteph...@ptera.com
Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product
I don't think many people care about caching servers in this regard. The issue isn't the upstream pipe filling up, it's all the APs. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 1:39 PM, Timothy Way t...@way.lc wrote: For those that are unaware of it you should take a look at Apple's Caching Server 2. It is pretty cool, it provides Apple software updates, iTunes content and basically anything Apple in a local cache that is transparent to the client. Apple looks at the source IP of the device asking for content and tells it to hit the local IP of your caching server. My day job is a Network Administrator at a technical college. This has prevented the APPLE DAYS OF DOOM when they release updates in regards to our open (public) wireless network. Tim Way On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 4:48 AM, Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@level7.it wrote: Hello, it depends on what you want/can achieve and how much bandwidth you have (and the experince you want to give to the users) In few words: those boxes do not invent bandwidth they (all) try to improve how you manage it. So those boxes are managing the bandwidth with their policies that could or could not fit your policies. Some simple tricks will help you to move the traffic locally (e.g. Implementing local web-caching, local DNS, etc) but for sure you have to work on the infrastructure to optimize the traffic. The nice thing, in that case, is that you will be more aware of what your users are doing and how to make them happy; the bad part of the story is that you have to spend time (or consultants) to get it. For the hardware, many are using Mikrotik CCR or even slower/cheaper Mikrotik models. For sure investing more in infrastructure will help a lot :) Just my 2 cents Having used Allot NetEnforcer for years, then moved to Exinda for years, we are now considering removing bandwidth managers altogether and relying solely on policing on radios, QoS policies on core routers layer 3 switches, and monitoring flows using Netflow. More work, but much less $$. Allows us to invest in infrastructure rather than extraordinarily expensive bandwidth management devices. *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Larry A. Weidig *Sent:* Friday, October 24, 2014 10:17 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product Very interesting, thanks for the lead. Seems they have a product and a library available. Have contacted them for additional information. Larry A. Weidig (lwei...@excel.net mailto:lwei...@excel.net) Excel.Net, Inc. – http://www.excel.net/ (920) 452-0455 – Sheboygan/Plymouth area (888) 489-9995 – Other areas, toll-free *From: *Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com mailto: j...@spitwspots.com *To: *wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Friday, October 24, 2014 7:15:20 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product should check out ipoque and their PACE engine Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 10/24/2014 03:40 PM, Larry A. Weidig wrote: We have done some searching in this arena and have only found a couple of what seem to be similar products available: Allot Communications - NetEnforcer (does a lot, costs a lot so they live up to their name :) ) Netaxcel - Found it, did not dig far into it NetEqualizer - Reasonable, but not as featured as Procera / Allot Emerging Technologies - We used to have one of their boxes, would not EVER use again not because of the software / hardware but the owner / lead developer which may have changed as it was a long time ago we used this Overall it seemed Procera was the best solution, just having a difficult time justifying the expense as well. I say we all throw in $5K, hire some developers and get one made that we have control over :) I have to believe some decent server quality hardware running on an open source operating system with custom code could fit the bill. Just don't have time to work on this myself. Larry A. Weidig (lwei...@excel.net mailto:lwei...@excel.net) Excel.Net, Inc. – http://www.excel.net/ (920) 452-0455 – Sheboygan/Plymouth area (888) 489-9995 – Other areas, toll-free *From: *Dave Barker d...@broadlincwireless.com mailto:d...@broadlincwireless.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product
My bad, I must have misunderstood. Where in the network is the congestion that these are meant to be fixed? I'm guessing it is some piece of a WISP network that is owned on both ends (customer -- tower)? Does this product somehow compress traffic to squeeze more out of a link you own both ends of? On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I don't think many people care about caching servers in this regard. The issue isn't the upstream pipe filling up, it's all the APs. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 1:39 PM, Timothy Way t...@way.lc wrote: For those that are unaware of it you should take a look at Apple's Caching Server 2. It is pretty cool, it provides Apple software updates, iTunes content and basically anything Apple in a local cache that is transparent to the client. Apple looks at the source IP of the device asking for content and tells it to hit the local IP of your caching server. My day job is a Network Administrator at a technical college. This has prevented the APPLE DAYS OF DOOM when they release updates in regards to our open (public) wireless network. Tim Way On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 4:48 AM, Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@level7.it wrote: Hello, it depends on what you want/can achieve and how much bandwidth you have (and the experince you want to give to the users) In few words: those boxes do not invent bandwidth they (all) try to improve how you manage it. So those boxes are managing the bandwidth with their policies that could or could not fit your policies. Some simple tricks will help you to move the traffic locally (e.g. Implementing local web-caching, local DNS, etc) but for sure you have to work on the infrastructure to optimize the traffic. The nice thing, in that case, is that you will be more aware of what your users are doing and how to make them happy; the bad part of the story is that you have to spend time (or consultants) to get it. For the hardware, many are using Mikrotik CCR or even slower/cheaper Mikrotik models. For sure investing more in infrastructure will help a lot :) Just my 2 cents Having used Allot NetEnforcer for years, then moved to Exinda for years, we are now considering removing bandwidth managers altogether and relying solely on policing on radios, QoS policies on core routers layer 3 switches, and monitoring flows using Netflow. More work, but much less $$. Allows us to invest in infrastructure rather than extraordinarily expensive bandwidth management devices. *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Larry A. Weidig *Sent:* Friday, October 24, 2014 10:17 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product Very interesting, thanks for the lead. Seems they have a product and a library available. Have contacted them for additional information. Larry A. Weidig (lwei...@excel.net mailto:lwei...@excel.net) Excel.Net, Inc. – http://www.excel.net/ (920) 452-0455 – Sheboygan/Plymouth area (888) 489-9995 – Other areas, toll-free *From: *Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com mailto: j...@spitwspots.com *To: *wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Friday, October 24, 2014 7:15:20 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product should check out ipoque and their PACE engine Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 10/24/2014 03:40 PM, Larry A. Weidig wrote: We have done some searching in this arena and have only found a couple of what seem to be similar products available: Allot Communications - NetEnforcer (does a lot, costs a lot so they live up to their name :) ) Netaxcel - Found it, did not dig far into it NetEqualizer - Reasonable, but not as featured as Procera / Allot Emerging Technologies - We used to have one of their boxes, would not EVER use again not because of the software / hardware but the owner / lead developer which may have changed as it was a long time ago we used this Overall it seemed Procera was the best solution, just having a difficult time justifying the expense as well. I say we all throw in $5K, hire some developers and get one made that we have control over :) I have to believe some decent server quality hardware running on an open source operating system with custom code could fit the bill. Just don't have time to work on this myself. Larry A. Weidig (lwei...@excel.net mailto:lwei...@excel.net)
Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product
Procera? Limits the traffic based on rules you create. Some people drop Netflix to 1500k per customer. Some do 4/5 of an AP capacity for Netflix. I've heard several totally different methodologies. The bottle neck in most cases is the AP (last mile). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Oct 28, 2014 2:03 PM, Timothy Way t...@way.vg wrote: My bad, I must have misunderstood. Where in the network is the congestion that these are meant to be fixed? I'm guessing it is some piece of a WISP network that is owned on both ends (customer -- tower)? Does this product somehow compress traffic to squeeze more out of a link you own both ends of? On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I don't think many people care about caching servers in this regard. The issue isn't the upstream pipe filling up, it's all the APs. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 1:39 PM, Timothy Way t...@way.lc wrote: For those that are unaware of it you should take a look at Apple's Caching Server 2. It is pretty cool, it provides Apple software updates, iTunes content and basically anything Apple in a local cache that is transparent to the client. Apple looks at the source IP of the device asking for content and tells it to hit the local IP of your caching server. My day job is a Network Administrator at a technical college. This has prevented the APPLE DAYS OF DOOM when they release updates in regards to our open (public) wireless network. Tim Way On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 4:48 AM, Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@level7.it wrote: Hello, it depends on what you want/can achieve and how much bandwidth you have (and the experince you want to give to the users) In few words: those boxes do not invent bandwidth they (all) try to improve how you manage it. So those boxes are managing the bandwidth with their policies that could or could not fit your policies. Some simple tricks will help you to move the traffic locally (e.g. Implementing local web-caching, local DNS, etc) but for sure you have to work on the infrastructure to optimize the traffic. The nice thing, in that case, is that you will be more aware of what your users are doing and how to make them happy; the bad part of the story is that you have to spend time (or consultants) to get it. For the hardware, many are using Mikrotik CCR or even slower/cheaper Mikrotik models. For sure investing more in infrastructure will help a lot :) Just my 2 cents Having used Allot NetEnforcer for years, then moved to Exinda for years, we are now considering removing bandwidth managers altogether and relying solely on policing on radios, QoS policies on core routers layer 3 switches, and monitoring flows using Netflow. More work, but much less $$. Allows us to invest in infrastructure rather than extraordinarily expensive bandwidth management devices. *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Larry A. Weidig *Sent:* Friday, October 24, 2014 10:17 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product Very interesting, thanks for the lead. Seems they have a product and a library available. Have contacted them for additional information. Larry A. Weidig (lwei...@excel.net mailto:lwei...@excel.net) Excel.Net, Inc. – http://www.excel.net/ (920) 452-0455 – Sheboygan/Plymouth area (888) 489-9995 – Other areas, toll-free *From: *Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com mailto: j...@spitwspots.com *To: *wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Friday, October 24, 2014 7:15:20 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product should check out ipoque and their PACE engine Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 10/24/2014 03:40 PM, Larry A. Weidig wrote: We have done some searching in this arena and have only found a couple of what seem to be similar products available: Allot Communications - NetEnforcer (does a lot, costs a lot so they live up to their name :) ) Netaxcel - Found it, did not dig far into it NetEqualizer - Reasonable, but not as featured as Procera / Allot Emerging Technologies - We used to have one of their boxes, would not EVER use again not because of the software / hardware but the owner / lead developer which may have changed as it was a long time ago we used this Overall it seemed Procera was the best solution, just having a difficult time justifying the expense as well. I say we all throw in $5K, hire
Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product
Mostly at the access point. It allows you to implement rules that control different types of applications in any grouping you desire - most people do it at the AP. So, for example, you can create a shaper that only allows a maximum of 20Mbps of streaming video at an access point. Or only 80Mbps of software updates across a particular backhaul. Or whatever makes sense for the network. You can use it to keep your upstream from being saturated also, but that is generally not the most pressing/hard to solve issue for WISPs, since it is normally easy to increase your upstream capacity. On 10/28/2014 1:03 PM, Timothy Way wrote: My bad, I must have misunderstood. Where in the network is the congestion that these are meant to be fixed? I'm guessing it is some piece of a WISP network that is owned on both ends (customer -- tower)? Does this product somehow compress traffic to squeeze more out of a link you own both ends of? On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I don't think many people care about caching servers in this regard. The issue isn't the upstream pipe filling up, it's all the APs. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 1:39 PM, Timothy Way t...@way.lc mailto:t...@way.lc wrote: For those that are unaware of it you should take a look at Apple's Caching Server 2. It is pretty cool, it provides Apple software updates, iTunes content and basically anything Apple in a local cache that is transparent to the client. Apple looks at the source IP of the device asking for content and tells it to hit the local IP of your caching server. My day job is a Network Administrator at a technical college. This has prevented the APPLE DAYS OF DOOM when they release updates in regards to our open (public) wireless network. Tim Way On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 4:48 AM, Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@level7.it mailto:paolo.difrance...@level7.it wrote: Hello, it depends on what you want/can achieve and how much bandwidth you have (and the experince you want to give to the users) In few words: those boxes do not invent bandwidth they (all) try to improve how you manage it. So those boxes are managing the bandwidth with their policies that could or could not fit your policies. Some simple tricks will help you to move the traffic locally (e.g. Implementing local web-caching, local DNS, etc) but for sure you have to work on the infrastructure to optimize the traffic. The nice thing, in that case, is that you will be more aware of what your users are doing and how to make them happy; the bad part of the story is that you have to spend time (or consultants) to get it. For the hardware, many are using Mikrotik CCR or even slower/cheaper Mikrotik models. For sure investing more in infrastructure will help a lot :) Just my 2 cents Having used Allot NetEnforcer for years, then moved to Exinda for years, we are now considering removing bandwidth managers altogether and relying solely on policing on radios, QoS policies on core routers layer 3 switches, and monitoring flows using Netflow. More work, but much less $$. Allows us to invest in infrastructure rather than extraordinarily expensive bandwidth management devices. *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Larry A. Weidig *Sent:* Friday, October 24, 2014 10:17 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product Very interesting, thanks for the lead. Seems they have a product and a library available. Have contacted them for additional information. Larry A. Weidig (lwei...@excel.net mailto:lwei...@excel.net mailto:lwei...@excel.net mailto:lwei...@excel.net) Excel.Net, Inc. – http://www.excel.net/ (920) 452-0455 tel:%28920%29%20452-0455 – Sheboygan/Plymouth area
[WISPA] ISP Radio Wednesday -- 11CST/9PST - Jeff Kohler From Jab Wireless - Acquisitions
http://www.ispradio.com/ http://www.ispradio.com/images/ispLogoWoodWhite.PNGTomorrow we Jack Lehmann from Straight Path. We will be talking about 29/38Ghz Licensed options that you don’t have to deal with the FCC on! 11am CST, 9am PST ! Don’t forgot you can download the previous episodes to put on your media player and listen while in your car free of charge by going to www.ispradio.com Remember to sign into the live chat to ask questions! n UPCOMMING SHOWS! n Oct 29th – 29/38 GHz Licensed Options with http://spathinc.com/ Straight Path n Nov 5th – Surge Protection and Grounding with Citel, Inc n Nov 12th – Nathan with SWG Dennis Burgess, Co-Host of ISP Radio! http://www.ispradio.com ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] ISP Radio Wednesday -- 11CST/9PST - Jeff Kohler From Jab Wireless - Acquisitions
Is it Jack Lehmann or Jeff Kohler tomorrow? signature Martha Huizenga 202-546-5898 */DC Access, LLC http://www.dcaccess.net/ Friendly, Local, Affordable, Internet! Connecting the Capitol Hill Community Join us on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/DCAccess or follow us on Twitter http://twitter.com/dcaccess /* */Is your Message Lost in Cyberspace? Promote your business locally with HillAds http://www.hillads.com/* On 10/28/2014 2:53 PM, Dennis Burgess wrote: http://www.ispradio.com/images/ispLogoWoodWhite.PNG http://www.ispradio.com/*Tomorrow we Jack Lehmann from Straight Path. We will be talking about 29/38Ghz Licensed options that you don’t have to deal with the FCC on! * ** *_11am CST, 9am PST ! _* Don’t forgot you can download the previous episodes to put on your media player and listen while in your car free of charge by going to www.ispradio.com http://www.ispradio.com Remember to sign into the live chat to ask questions! n*UPCOMMING SHOWS!* nOct 29^th – 29/38 GHz Licensed Options with Straight Path http://spathinc.com/ nNov 5^th – Surge Protection and Grounding with Citel, Inc nNov 12^th – Nathan with SWG ** Dennis Burgess, Co-Host of ISP Radio! http://www.ispradio.com ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] ISP Radio Wednesday -- 11CST/9PST - Strightpath 29/38ghz!
http://www.ispradio.com/ http://www.ispradio.com/images/ispLogoWoodWhite.PNGTomorrow we Jack Lehmann from Straight Path. We will be talking about 29/38Ghz Licensed options that you don’t have to deal with the FCC on! 11am CST, 9am PST ! Don’t forgot you can download the previous episodes to put on your media player and listen while in your car free of charge by going to http://www.ispradio.com www.ispradio.com Remember to sign into the live chat to ask questions! n UPCOMMING SHOWS! n Oct 29th – 29/38 GHz Licensed Options with http://spathinc.com/ Straight Path n Nov 5th – Surge Protection and Grounding with Citel, Inc n Nov 12th – Nathan with SWG Dennis Burgess, Co-Host of ISP Radio! http://www.ispradio.com http://www.ispradio.com ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] ISP Radio Wednesday -- 11CST/9PST - Jeff Kohler From Jab Wireless - Acquisitions
Jeff was on 10/8. Jack is tomorrow. You can download the show Jeff done here: http://www.ispradio.com/archive.asp?file=48 Thx, Jim Patient Office: 314-735-0270 linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ towercoverage.com http://www.towercoverage.com/ ispradio.com http://www.ispradio.com/ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Martha Huizenga Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 2:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] ISP Radio Wednesday -- 11CST/9PST - Jeff Kohler From Jab Wireless - Acquisitions Is it Jack Lehmann or Jeff Kohler tomorrow? Martha Huizenga 202-546-5898 DC Access, LLC http://www.dcaccess.net/ Friendly, Local, Affordable, Internet! Connecting the Capitol Hill Community Join us on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/DCAccess or follow us on Twitter http://twitter.com/dcaccess Is your Message Lost in Cyberspace? Promote your business locally with HillAds http://www.hillads.com On 10/28/2014 2:53 PM, Dennis Burgess wrote: http://www.ispradio.com/ http://www.ispradio.com/ http://www.ispradio.com/ Tomorrow we Jack Lehmann from Straight Path. We will be talking about 29/38Ghz Licensed options that you don’t have to deal with the FCC on! 11am CST, 9am PST ! Don’t forgot you can download the previous episodes to put on your media player and listen while in your car free of charge by going to www.ispradio.com Remember to sign into the live chat to ask questions! n UPCOMMING SHOWS! n Oct 29th – 29/38 GHz Licensed Options with Straight Path http://spathinc.com/ n Nov 5th – Surge Protection and Grounding with Citel, Inc n Nov 12th – Nathan with SWG Dennis Burgess, Co-Host of ISP Radio! http://www.ispradio.com ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
