Re: [WISPA] tower height near airport
http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/AsrSearch/towairSearch.jsp will give you a quick read on the need for an FAA. http://wireless.fcc.gov/outreach/index.htm?job=tower_notification will get you started on a NEPA and SHPA - but using it is voluntary. The NEPA and SHPA I would not build a new tower without having done. https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/portal.jsp Will allow you file online (at no cost) for your FAA. Personally, it only takes 10 minutes to do the FAA, I would do it just to be safe. If you do, fill out all the frequencies listed as being in use. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Jay DeBoer jdeb...@summitdigital.us To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 8:37 AM Subject: [WISPA] tower height near airport I've got a buisness that wants me to setup a ptp link for them I did the path study and need to be about 50' in the air to get line of site clearance. The problem is the road right next to them (road is about 200 yards east and the runway starts about 400 yards north.) dead-ends into a grass run-way for the airport (small town). and its also prettly close to perpendicular from the main run-way thats probably around 1000 yards away. I'm assuming it would have to be permitted through FAA and all the wonderful paperwork that way. I don't think zoning will be an issue but I'm more concerned about the tower height in relation to the airport. -- Jay DeBoer Chief Engineer Summit Digital Holdings, Inc. 100 N Roland St, Suite B McBain, MI 49657 Office: 231-825-2500 Direct: 231-908-0033 Fax: 231-908-0039 jdeb...@summitdigital.us ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ping
Nope. Never saw it. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Victoria Proffer victo...@stlbroadband.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 8:22 AM Subject: [WISPA] Ping Is this making it to the list? Thanks, Victoria Proffer St. Louis Broadband, LLC http://stlbroadband.com/ 314-974-5600 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] population density map for Washington.
Man, with 21 per square mile in your county, and even 5 per square mile in Lincoln, you guys are in the big city. Sandhills Wireless in Cherry County NE has 1 per square mile, 6148 square miles! Big county, very rural. (Got a tower raw land site there) Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181) o...@odessaoffice.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 10:31 AM Subject: [WISPA] population density map for Washington. This is very interesting. http://wabroadbandmapping.org/PDF/Statewide/Population_Density_2010.pdf I'm in Lincoln Co. Us and Douglas probably have the lowest population density in the entire state. I'd love to compare that to a state like Vermont or something. People like to talk about rural access. Man, I can tell you *all* about rural access! grin marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Open Range communications
Open range is now looking to sell equipment - focusing first on the equipment on the towers, then the other stuff. Please let him know you got this info from me. They are really looking to deal. Contact, Chris (Open Range Restructuring Officer) Chris LeWand Senior Managing Director | Corporate Finance F T I 303.689.8839 direct 720.253.3060 mobile chris.lew...@fticonsulting.com 1001 17th Street, Suite 1100 Denver, CO 80202 Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Real enemy
http://cooldudereal.blogspot.com/2011/11/new-wifi-minded-carrier-offers.html Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon wants a piece of our pie
Cellular systems in urban areas are built for capacity. Thats why you have so many low level sites, frequency reuse. Capacity rules king. In rural areas, coverage rules. That is why they use a lot of intellirepeater sites, that actually work off close existing sites, with very minimal capacity. Often limited to one outdoor cabinet and 3 panels. (and in some cases a mag mount antenna on the cabinet for the donor site to be able to talk to it) Capacity of varying sites changes also on a network. While one site may have X capacity with X transcievers, the one 5 miles away, same network, may have twice that number. They may look alike from the outside, but the equipment inside is different TOE. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon wants a piece of our pie I have a dissenting opinion... It all comes down to a simple economics in the end. Who can most cost effectively provide broadband. A cellular network is built for coverage Additionally, large companies, from a scale and operations perspective, will tend to put the same equipment everywhere What that means is in order to offer the nationwide network, that the tower in the rural area that's required to cover that stretch of highway where there's only a town of 1,000 people will have the same equipment and capacity as the tower in downtown Chicago that has 1,000 simultaneous users So in rural areas, where the costs of the tower, backhaul and base station have already been amortized and paid for to fulfill their coverage requirements, but many of these towers are sitting at 5-10% capacity In their mind, to add another 100 or so fixed wireless users off an AP and putting them in a lower QoS bucket (so the primary mobile customers aren't affected when fixed customers start slamming Netflix) is found money -- self installs are quite nice when putting out +60 dBi EIRP at the tower with 700 MHz on licensed spectrum with zero noise floor -Charles / WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Open Range VS USDA
http://www.wirelessestimator.com/breaking_news.cfm#ATC_CMS USDA is first in line to get back their loan money, or at least what they might be able to find. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wispalooza!
Just as a note - people should consider package tours, like Sun Country Airlines. 2 people, airfare from NYC, 3 nights room at Circus Circus, 1050.00 total. same thing from Orlando, 6 nights, around 1300 total. Funjet gets you cheaper. True, there is no first class on most of them, and you will most likely end up with a room view of a wall, but who spends that much time in their room? Some of the best trade show times I ever had were spent dancing on the stage I mean in the audience learning in LV! Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Drew Lentz d...@drewlentz.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wispalooza! Oh God no .. please don't drop the coffee.. I applaud the work that goes into doing this, especially in Vegas. It's tough to work with, but Vegas knows that it is the best spot in the country for meetings like this. I remember all the hoopla a couple of years ago at CES. $12 turkey sandwiches that normally went for $6, $400 / night hotel rooms, etc. I can't imagine what it's like cost wise to produce the event. Overall though, it looks like it is going to be fantastic. I can't wait to see everyone there J -drew From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 11:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Bulk] Re: Wispalooza! Drop the coffee. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net wrote: Maybe if we put slot machines next to the coffee service we can get a discount ;) On 10/5/11 11:35 AM, chris cooper wrote: A 12 oz cup of coffee costs $10.22? And this from a place that will give you all the Johnnie Walker you can drink for free? cc Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Alltel towers
Most of the steel went to either American Tower via an agreement to allow ATC to manage/lease or Verizon. Many will state something along the line of Michigan RSA #9, DBA Alltell - those are normally towers owned by Verizon. Of course, the actual wording will change depending on the state and RSA. Even the vast majority of those are still managed by ATC. If you want to email me particulars I can find out who the owner is fairly quickly. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: m...@tc3net.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 8:09 AM Subject: [WISPA] Alltel towers Does anyone have up to date contact info for the current owner of the former Alltel's towers? Not having much luck searching. Regards Michael Baird WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ATT Landline Divestiture
Although it may or may not make sense to get rid of the old cable plant, and wireline service, it may not be the best idea as they are plowing tons of money into U-Verse, and will need much of that plant as well as old right of ways etc. I can't think for the life of me who would make it a merger condition insofar as regulatory, as it is not a technology that T-Mobile is bringing anything to the table with, the feds will care less. Possibly T-Mobile is scared of the wired plants future? Frontier will have a hard time getting through each states regulatory process for a variety of problems. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Rick Harnish rharn...@wispa.org To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] ATT Landline Divestiture Why wouldn't they? They are giving up a high maintenance rapidly eroding technology and USF subsidies that are also eroding with the customer base. At the same time they are lobbying Congress and the FCC to move USF subsidies to mobile and fiber broadband technologies. Let the Buyer Beware! This trend will continue. Rick From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 11:46 AM To: memb...@wispa.org; FISPA Members List; WISPA General List; us...@wug.cc; motor...@afmug.com Subject: [WISPA] ATT Landline Divestiture A little bird told me that ATT may divorce its legacy landline copper business as a merger condition with T-mobile.thoughts / comments? What about Frontier taking over the landline world? -Charles WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Thanks to those concerned
To all affected in Northern AL. I know often the supplies run short in an affected area, I am coming over 72, then across through Fort Payne in about 4 hours. If there is anything I can stop in Memphis to get and bring to you, please let me know and I will do so. I will be in a large pickup with very little onboard. I will be checking this list for mail. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Cyber Broadband Equipment Needs Update
How tall a portable tower? We may have one available - rent free. And what size gennys? Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Rick Harnish rharn...@wispa.org To: memb...@wispa.org; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org; motor...@afmug.com; us...@wug.cc Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 5:53 PM Subject: [Motorola II] Cyber Broadband Equipment Needs Update Everyone, Thank you all so much for the many contributions that have been made today. I think it looks like all of the immediate equipment needs that Jay needed have been met and hopefully are being shipped. We have accumulated $2350 in a reserve account for any cash needs he may have next week. He is looking for a mobile tower and I hope to make some calls tomorrow to locate one. I'm guessing that renting that tower will pretty well exhaust the fund temporarily. We did have three companies who donated $500 each to this cause. I never imagined we would get donations that large but I want to say THANK YOU to each of them, although I won't name them. Jay says that there are 4-5 blocks that will need to be bulldozed out and rebuilt completely. They are struggling with no power for 5 days or more in some places and gasoline is very hard to get. Long lines exist up to 50 miles away. He was unaware of how big the Birmingham/Tuscaloosa tornado was. He only knew that there were quite a few deaths from tornados around the state. Most of the news he gets is through his smartphone which surprisingly allows him to get emails and get on Facebook but does not support Voice or Text traffic. HE would like me to pass along his gratitude and said, the WISPA community has been awesome and with that help, we will be more than fine. He said the radio station owner thought they would have the tower rebuilt in a week but Jay has his doubts. He thinks he can get 90% of his customers back by moving some equipment to a nearby rooftop temporarily. Jay doesn't have any generators in his business yet, so Josh Luthman and Mike Chadwick are coordinating together to deliver 3-4 portables to him in the next day or so. UPS and Fedex are delivering packages to the area. Jay's batteries have now run down and he is without communication until he can find someone that has enough generator power to charge him back up. I am still going to come knocking on a few doors asking some of you to take part on the Disaster Fund Committee. J This fund's work is never done, it only has lapses until the next disaster hits a WISP in a neighborhood near you! Respectfully, Rick Harnish Executive Director WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 Option 2 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Rope
Amen. A smaller rope should be in everyones arsenal. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: lakel...@gbcx.net To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 6:37 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rope Having one rope might work in 90 percent of the situations but its those oh sh#t moments where having a throw line makes life easy and expedites the project. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New self-supporting tower
who does not have them? My supplier does. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Kevin Sullivan kevin.sulli...@alyrica.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 4:56 PM Subject: [WISPA] New self-supporting tower Hello, We're looking for a 150' free standing tower. Who do you guys go to for those? We've only really used Rohn in the past, and they don't really seem to have those. Kevin WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Safety Harness
At the risk of this being called an ad, I have a large box of brand new in the bag equipment fall protection harnesses. $40.00 includes priorty shipping. As one can see, this is not a money maker at this price, but if it can help people comply, and get them out of my warehouse all is good. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: rwf ralphli...@bsrg.org To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 7:22 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Safety Harness Martha Is this a climbing harness or a safety harness for a platform/bucket truck/aerial lift/roof etc? Others told you about the tower ones (I happen to prefer the DBI Sala for that) But the simpler one with only the rear D ring that is for the equipment I mentioned can also be had at Home Depot in a pinch. About $70.00 Reason I mention this is that some of us have bucket trucks or rent lifts as well and OSHA watches them too. We were just field inspected a few weeks ago. Ralph From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Martha Huizenga Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 10:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Safety Harness Can anyone tell me where they purchase Safety Harnesses? Is there a special kind or brand I should be looking for? Thanks Martha -- Martha Huizenga DC Access, LLC http://www.dcaccess.net 202-546-5898 Friendly, Local, Affordable, Internet! Connecting the Capitol Hill Community Join us on http://www.facebook.com/DCAccess Facebookor follow us on http://twitter.com/dcaccess Twitter WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] tower down, Raleigh NC
Some trees clipped guy-wires that supported the transmission tower for WCLY-AM and WQDR-AM, toppling the tower http://www.wral.com/weather/story/9455980/ Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Gigabit Router or L3 Switch?
Naturally - and I have stacks of 3660's that are barely above scrap value. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: John J Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, February 04, 2011 12:34 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gigabit Router or L3 Switch? Cisco 3560 series are about $4000... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Leasing towers to Cell Carriers
I will say it again, but I of course have no experience with this so I am quite sure 9809895234345 people will correct me. The best way to market your towers to cellular carriers. 1. Hang a sign. WIRELESS SPACE FOR LEASE. 2. Do an FAA on your tower. https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/portal.jsp 3. Do an FCC on your tower. http://wireless.fcc.gov/antenna/index.htm?job=home 4. Sit back and wait to become a millionare. Heck, my housekeeper has an Aunt that knows a woman at her granddaughters school whose son in law gets 18k a month from his ground lease! Almost every carrier uses a site acquisition contractor for their sites, and the FAA and FCC are the first places they look. Then they go and drive around. If there are multiple towers in their search ring, they are going to look for the friendly tower companies, ie, ones they have done business with before, or the ones that are inviting them to do business with them, ie the sign. ATT Wireless probably uses 30 different contractors alone. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 8:47 AM Subject: [WISPA] Leasing towers to Cell Carriers I have a couple of Rohn SSV-MW 250' towers located in areas with spotty cell service. I wouldn't mind getting a few carriers on these towers. I have been successful in finding contact information for ATT and T-Mobile, but nobody else. Does anyone have any contact information for these guys? Regards, Chuck WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Leasing towers to Cell Carriers
You won't find many people better than Jay. He will tell you the same thing I said about leasing. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 1:15 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Leasing towers to Cell Carriers I bought these two towers from Jay ;) Regards, Chuck On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote: I'd talk to a local tower guy. Blake Bowers, Jay Panozzo, etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutionshttp://www.ics-il.com On 1/27/2011 8:47 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote: I have a couple of Rohn SSV-MW 250' towers located in areas with spotty cell service. I wouldn't mind getting a few carriers on these towers. I have been successful in finding contact information for ATT and T-Mobile, but nobody else. Does anyone have any contact information for these guys? Regards, Chuck WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Leasing towers to Cell Carriers
Those figures are spot on. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 10:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Leasing towers to Cell Carriers I am responding to the first post in this thread, so I have no idea of what has been suggested. I am in a very rural area, I know for a fact the Crown Castle pay's $500/mth for a ground level space to lease from the land owner in this area. Crown built a 400 ft guided tower and they have Verizon on the top and U.S. Cellular at 200 ft. I would guess to estimate that they are charging at least $1200/mth to $1500/mth on each of those. I have not inquired on my cost to get to those, but the amount's I suggested are from land owner's in my area. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Leasing towers to Cell Carriers
I would venture I must be doing it wrong then. As well as other tower companies. The majority of what you mention is dependent on the age of the structure also. Chuck, if you bought those towers where they stand from Jay, then the vast majority of what is listed is grandfathered. (knowing where Jay got those from) 1. Carrier will do this themselves, no matter if you do it. 2. Phase 1 and 2, the carrier will do if they feel the need, but probably not. 3. see 2. 4. They will verify during the site acquisition process online. 5. They will verify during the site acquisition process online. 6. Given. They want to make sure you are there legally, so they can be there legally. 7 and 8 saves some time, but they will do it themselves if needed. 9. Depends on the age of the tower. If it was erected when NEPA was not required, then they will not require it. While you listed many parts of it, people should not get blown away with it anyways, it is realy a rather simple process. I use a company in TX that completes it in a short time, for a cost usually below 1k, before travel if needed. 10. If required - and they will get that information directly from the zoning agency. You can provide it, it will look pretty, but they are going to pull it themselves. 11. See 10. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Leasing towers to Cell Carriers Before a large carrier will do business with you, a bunch of things need to be squared away - here's a checklist that we follow and present when marketing our towers Required documents for Verizon, ATT, T-Mobile, ClearWire, Cricket, Lightsquared and Sprint to co-locate on an existing tower 1. Title Report (less than 6 months old) with a memo from an attorney stating all mortgages, encumberances and potential conflicts with existing easements 2. Phase 1 Environmental Site Assessment (less than 6-9 months old) performed by a licensed Environment Engineer 3. Phase 2 Environmental Site Assessment (where required) including subsurface investigation by geotechnical boring drill and lab investigation of core samples 4. FAA Determination including Survey with 1A letter performed by licensed surveyer 5. FCC Filing, including all correct notices up to date with appropriate coordination as verified by 1A letter. 6. Original lease. All agreements must be provided to the potential tenant, and the tenant may require the tower owner to obtain any required sublease consent or additional space at the tower owner's sole cost and expense. All leases must be properly notarized, signed and dated, and all exhibits must reflect the lease area and access route. 7. Original Geotechnical Survey 8. Original Tower Foundation and Structural drawings 9. National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA) checklist performed by a licensed environmental engineer and completion of the following compliance items, as required: a. Wetland determination and delination b. State Historic Preservation Officer (SHPO) Letter of No Effect c. Tribal Historic Preservation Office Approval (THPO) d. Floodplain Determination e. Archeological Survey, including subsurface investigation and lab research f.Environmental Impact Assessment filed with the FCC and evidence of the approval of that EIA is required before a tenant will co-locate on the tower 10. Zoning Approval, including the specific Conditional Use Permit, Special Use Permit, Variance, and/or Ordinance citing approval with restrictions (if any) and any other zonging entitlements 11. Building Permit Approval, including any stated restrictions for construction or future conditions on alteration of the structure 12. No tenant will agree to sign a lease with a tower owner without the receipt of all relevant documentation, the physical structure being completed, the lack of existence of favored tower companies in the given search area (typically .75 - 1.5 miles in diameter), and the budget to build sites in a given location. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 8:48 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Leasing towers to Cell Carriers I have a couple of Rohn SSV-MW 250' towers located in areas with spotty cell service. I wouldn't mind getting a few carriers on these towers. I have been successful in finding contact information for ATT and T-Mobile, but nobody else. Does anyone have any contact information for these guys? Regards, Chuck WISPA Wants You! Join today!
Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation Rules
Interesting video... Almost as good as the ones of Tower 5 and Tower 6.. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 9:15 PM Subject: [WISPA] Connected Nation Rules When WISPA decides to bow down to the wishes of Connected Nation, a well-known and well documented anti WISP organization and smack me down with parroted words that were told me also by the LATEST Connected Nation CEO boy We're done. Please remove me from the WISPA list and be happy. The world is cruel, this be true. But Connected Nation Et tu, Brute? Yes. You. I will not be controlled. I will not bow to the master Telco/Cable BS. I will, however, provide broadband internet to whoever and wherever I damn well please. Big Shot CEO of Connected Nation tonight on the cell phone as I was replacing a power supply 90 feet up in the blinding snow... Our people feel threatened by your video. So sad for them. They are threatened I bet they are. I really bet they are. Waiting for the FCC to show up.. HA! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 Cell 937-903-1286 Description: cid:image001.png@01CBB357.F6FCF250 Affordable Internet For Everyone! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Tom
Tom formally from Pittsburg KS... Give me a call. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Wireless internet service KATY TX
I need residential wireless internet service, basic service, in Katy TX. Anyone covering there? Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] What is this?
Ok, do you want me to send a box of cash too? LOL Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] What is this? It's worthless, send it to me. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 12/16/2010 12:16 AM, Blake Bowers wrote: DELL POWEREDGE 2161DS 16-PORT KVM IP SWITCH 2161-DS I just found one of these literally laying here. Can anyone tell a technology impaired person what it is? Is it still something of value? Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Colo contract language
Most tower owners will NOT give exclusives on frequency bands, prefering to go with FILO agreements in the lease for interference. Basically anyone that comes on a tower after the first user cannot make interference - if they do they have to fix it or get off. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Richey myli...@battleop.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 1:21 PM Subject: [WISPA] Colo contract language Does anyone have some language they can share on a colo agreement? I've got everything worked out except for exclusive use of the unlicensed bands at that site. I want to prevent someone from renting space and parking their gear on the same frequencies I am using. Richey AISG NetOps. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] What is this?
DELL POWEREDGE 2161DS 16-PORT KVM IP SWITCH 2161-DS I just found one of these literally laying here. Can anyone tell a technology impaired person what it is? Is it still something of value? Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT Laptops....
Bob, Walmart. NOS stuff, I picked one up last friday here in Missouri, runs XP. under 300 bucks. We use another of these for LMR programming, and occassional web, they work great. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: bmoldas...@gmail.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2010 9:11 PM Subject: [WISPA] OT Laptops Anyone have a source for new netbooks or small laptops with Win XP operating WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel
http://oldcomputers.net/zx81.html I ran a BBS on this one! Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: ro...@g5i.net; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 7:57 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel The VIC-20 was my second computer. This was my first: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRS-80 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRS-804k ram :) On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 8:37 PM, Roger Howard g5inter...@gmail.com wrote: My first laptop was this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodore_VIC-20 But it didn't have a screen :( On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 7:33 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: LOL! Here we go again with the dating game :) My first laptop was this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Portable http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_PortableIt was really cool but weighed as much as sewing machine which was the term we gave it. -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cisco Deal of the Day $10 Deploying License Free Wireless
17.63 on Amazon gets you a used copy, 30 bucks gets you a brand new. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 3:15 AM Subject: [WISPA] Cisco Deal of the Day $10 Deploying License Free Wireless Anyone who does not not have Jack Unger¹s book now is your time to get it. It is the eBook and the offer is only good for 24 hours. Cost is $9.99. Normally this is a $60 book. http://www.ciscopress.com/deals/index.asp -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Tower down
http://www.fox59.com/news/bloomington/wxin-tower-falls-on-bloomington-school-102610,0,7797782.story (Indiana) Communications tower falls on Bloomington elementary school. On October 26, a communications tower next to a Bloomington, Indiana school fell on top of the building as a result of a round of strong storms and high winds. It happened at Lakeview Elementary on Strain Ridge Road. No one was hurt and the school said the building only sustained minor damage to the roof. The students were in tornado mode at the time due to a warning issued by the National Weather Service. Witnesses said they heard a loud bang, like thunder, when the tower hit the building. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Grid dish material
Everyone I have seen is aluminium with some steel clamps and supports. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Mathew Howard mat...@litewire.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 9:49 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Grid dish material Depends what kind, I think they are either cast aluminum or galvanized steel. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2010 12:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Grid dish material What material are the old school 2.4 GHz grid dishes made of? -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Remote Controlled Drone
Let us all know how that works out for you. Key things I noticed when I read the FAQ, 1. the range will be greater if the AR drone is used in wide-open space with few Wi-Fi waves. Now, I am not a great technical wizard, but won't the majority of users from the WISPA mailing list have some of those pesky Wi-Fi waves kicking around? 2. the AR.Drone can maintain STABLE FLIGHT (emphasis added by me) at a height of up to 6 meters / 20 feet. Now, Stable flight would be kind of important when doing anything other than using it as a fun toy I would imagine. I don't see many water tanks under 20 feet - and if I did I carry a ladder. All I was trying to do was get a bit more info out there on the thing, it looks like a GREAT toy, and I am thinking about ordering one just to play around with, but to expect it to be a dependable tool in your toolbox? Buyer beware. They put plenty of warnings in the information on the manufacturers web page, (which is what I posted) so don't expect STABLE FLIGHT more than that 20 feet up, and be pleasently surprised if you get more than the 20 feet. What is the range of the AR.Drone? The range of the AR.Drone depends on the environment in which it is being used: the range will be greater if the AR.Drone is used in a wide-open space with few Wi-Fi waves. For information, the average range is 50 meters / 160 feet. How high can the AR.Drone fly? Thanks to its many sensors, the AR.Drone can maintain stable flight at a height of up to 6 meters / 20 feet. Since the altitude at which the AR.Drone can fly depends exclusively on the Wi-Fi range, it can fly up to a height of 50 meters / 160 feet. The Altitude limited option in the AR.Drone's settings can be adjusted to restrict the height to 3 meters / 10 feet. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 11:03 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Remote Controlled Drone Most water tanks are less than 160', so it would work fine for that. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:23 PM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: http://ardrone.parrot.com/parrot-ar-drone/uk/support/questions-answers Going to have to be a short tower. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 7:21 PM Subject: [WISPA] Remote Controlled Drone I have no idea if this would be on any use to anyone, but it seems like it might save a tower climb somewhere. http://www.brookstone.com/ar-drone-quadricopter.html?bkiid=hmpg|hdr|652479p You can remote control it with an iPhone and it has a camera. John WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon LTE
At the risk of being corrected yet again, I would recomend contacting them. I believe you will find (over time) that they are a bit more open than you believe. It is a slow process however. The big thing they are looking for are towers and backhaul. Many of the middle mile companies that have recently gotten funding are going to do quite well with this. From their web page, To learn about participating in this program, companies should contactphilip.jun...@verizonwireless.com with the following information: a.. Name and address of company b.. Contact name and title c.. Contact phone number d.. Contact E-mail address e.. Please describe your business, including the counties and states in which you operate f.. Please identify the rural areas that your business serves that you believe are in need of a 4G wireless network g.. Please provide us any comments, questions, or concerns you have about our initiative Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 7:50 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon LTE Read that to be they are working with those folks who operate their own cellular systems and are current Verizon Roaming partners……. Brian From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 8:23 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Verizon LTE Just got this from Verizon as a link on a advertisement: WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon LTE
From my conversations with VzB, folks, they understand it to be closer to the latter, with VzW doing the actual build, on infrastructure such as backhaul and towers from partners. But I could be wrong. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 7:46 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon LTE I am curious as to what this brings to the table and how the relationship actually is. Does the rural company build their own network, but with VZ's spectrum and brand of gear, then allowing full roaming? or Is this just a glorified contractor setup where the rural company is building VZ's network, but already has the towers\backhaul in place? The latter looks more attractive than the former. LTE gear probably isn't cheap, so who's going to buy it? If we're just glorified installation crews, then maybe it isn't so bad. I'm not terribly concerned about 4G network in my territory as I can quite easily build a faster fixed network. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon LTE
I guess you could think - fibertower. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 7:46 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon LTE I am curious as to what this brings to the table and how the relationship actually is. Does the rural company build their own network, but with VZ's spectrum and brand of gear, then allowing full roaming? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Remote Controlled Drone
http://ardrone.parrot.com/parrot-ar-drone/uk/support/questions-answers Going to have to be a short tower. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 7:21 PM Subject: [WISPA] Remote Controlled Drone I have no idea if this would be on any use to anyone, but it seems like it might save a tower climb somewhere. http://www.brookstone.com/ar-drone-quadricopter.html?bkiid=hmpg|hdr|652479p You can remote control it with an iPhone and it has a camera. John WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Service around Bristow, OK
Depending on where in Bristow, John at http://www.onalot.com/ may be able to help, I know there are a couple of spots where you can see one of my towers from that area, and he is on that tower. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Chris Hudson ch...@htswireless.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 11:54 AM Subject: [WISPA] Service around Bristow, OK I have a friend's sister that lives outside the town of Bristow, OK. Does anyone know who might service up there? Thanks, Chris WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Service around Bristow, OK
Give John a call. That is headed the direction of the tower. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Chris Hudson ch...@htswireless.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service around Bristow, OK She lives between Bristow and Kellyville on or near highway 66 Chris - Original Message - From: Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service around Bristow, OK Depending on where in Bristow, John at http://www.onalot.com/ may be able to help, I know there are a couple of spots where you can see one of my towers from that area, and he is on that tower. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Chris Hudson ch...@htswireless.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 11:54 AM Subject: [WISPA] Service around Bristow, OK I have a friend's sister that lives outside the town of Bristow, OK. Does anyone know who might service up there? Thanks, Chris WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Looking for a real tower????
I think Bob already mentioned that - where he said look at 170 and 186. They don't look like free standing towers though! Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 10:00 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for a real tower Look at 186, too. It is a tower almost identical to 170. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 10:17 PM, Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: I don't know if anyone is looking for real steel but here is probably a real steal if you want to take it down. http://www.bidspotter.com/forms/staticgallery.php?gallery=11885page=8 Look at items 170 and 186 If you are interested and need someone to take it down. get me off list. I can recommend a company or two. I make nothing on this. It is just a lead. -B- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Looking for a real tower????
20 feet with a good foundation? Depending on the base. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for a real tower It's not but out of curiosity what if you made 3 or 4 towers from it? What height would it become self supporting? On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 11:12 PM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: I think Bob already mentioned that - where he said look at 170 and 186. They don't look like free standing towers though! Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 10:00 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for a real tower Look at 186, too. It is a tower almost identical to 170. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 10:17 PM, Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: I don't know if anyone is looking for real steel but here is probably a real steal if you want to take it down. http://www.bidspotter.com/forms/staticgallery.php?gallery=11885page=8 Look at items 170 and 186 If you are interested and need someone to take it down. get me off list. I can recommend a company or two. I make nothing on this. It is just a lead. -B- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Looking for a real tower????
I am not really sure how you can make such a claim when the picture does not show the face, etc of the tower. I cannot imagine something like M54 tower freestanding to 70 feet with 12 feet buried in concrete. Just saying... Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 12:02 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for a real tower I've seen people (and climbed them) that had about 70 feet of tower free-standing with about 12 feet buried in a lot of cement Scott Carullo Technical Operations 877-804-3001 x102 From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 12:44 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for a real tower Thats all? Its gotta be some pretty big stuff. You'd think it could be at least 50 or more. On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 12:41 AM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: 20 feet with a good foundation? Depending on the base. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for a real tower It's not but out of curiosity what if you made 3 or 4 towers from it? What height would it become self supporting? On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 11:12 PM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: I think Bob already mentioned that - where he said look at 170 and 186. They don't look like free standing towers though! Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 10:00 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for a real tower Look at 186, too. It is a tower almost identical to 170. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 10:17 PM, Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: I don't know if anyone is looking for real steel but here is probably a real steal if you want to take it down. http://www.bidspotter.com/forms/staticgallery.php?gallery=11885page=8 Look at items 170 and 186 If you are interested and need someone to take it down. get me off list. I can recommend a company or two. I make nothing on this. It is just a lead. -B- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives
Re: [WISPA] Looking for a real tower????
It may be large, but the structural forces are very much different on a tower that was designed to hold that much down pressure while guyed and that much spread out over a self support spread base. You could go higher than 20, but stability, dependability, etc would suffer REAL quickly. The twisting that you would have on a cemented in tower base, on a guyed tower without the guys would be major. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 11:45 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for a real tower Thats all? Its gotta be some pretty big stuff. You'd think it could be at least 50 or more. On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 12:41 AM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: 20 feet with a good foundation? Depending on the base. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for a real tower It's not but out of curiosity what if you made 3 or 4 towers from it? What height would it become self supporting? On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 11:12 PM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: I think Bob already mentioned that - where he said look at 170 and 186. They don't look like free standing towers though! Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 10:00 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for a real tower Look at 186, too. It is a tower almost identical to 170. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 10:17 PM, Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: I don't know if anyone is looking for real steel but here is probably a real steal if you want to take it down. http://www.bidspotter.com/forms/staticgallery.php?gallery=11885page=8 Look at items 170 and 186 If you are interested and need someone to take it down. get me off list. I can recommend a company or two. I make nothing on this. It is just a lead. -B- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
[WISPA] Fraud?
http://www.stimulatingbroadband.com/2010/09/50-million-san-francisco-area-stimulus.html Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Morning report Copper Theft
From the DHS Morning report. I have to admit, the story gave me a bit of a chuckle - 1 million dollars worth of copper? Wow! http://www.mlive.com/news/flint/index.ssf/2010/09/copper_taken_from_communicatio.html Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Morning report Copper Theft
1 mill was a lot more fun! Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: David Hannum oujas...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 8:59 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Morning report Copper Theft Well, they corrected the value. Now they say $8k in damages . . . LOL http://www.mlive.com/news/flint/index.ssf/2010/09/copper_theft_causes_8k_in_dama.html Dave Hannum New Era Broadband, LLC On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 9:53 AM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: From the DHS Morning report. I have to admit, the story gave me a bit of a chuckle - 1 million dollars worth of copper? Wow! http://www.mlive.com/news/flint/index.ssf/2010/09/copper_taken_from_communicatio.html Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Copper Theft
From the DHS morning report September 21, Milford Daily News - (Massachusetts) Two copper thefts investigated in Milford. Police are investigating the thefts of copper from a Pine Street church and a Verizon substation in Milford, Massachusetts, sometime September 19. The police chief said someone stole $1,800 worth of the metal from the First Unitarian Universalist Church at 23 Pine St. An officer responded to the church at 12:20 p.m. September 20, when a church employee told him a copper downspout was removed from the back of the building. In his report, the officer said the copper was about 16 feet long. The employee said he noticed September 19 a different downspout had been tampered with, but not taken. Older buildings are targets for such theft. Another officer responded to the Verizon tower at 2:27 p.m. September 20 after an employee called police to report the theft. The employee said somebody cut the lock to the gate door and entered the facility sometime during the week of September 13. He said employees have reported five or six different incidents of theft over the last few weeks, and that police are looking for trucks that might be leaving the tower area. The investigation remains open. Source: http://www.milforddailynews.com/news/x1680536952/Two-copper-thefts-investigated-in-Milford Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower tool bag
Round canvas bag. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 9:42 PM Subject: [WISPA] tower tool bag I've been taking a round canvas bag with my tools in it to the top of the towers that I work on. But it gets aggravating since it is soft sided and collapses when I set it down on the top of the water tank. So, I tired a 5 gallon bucket the other day but dont like that it wants to tip whenever it hits a obstacle on the way up. So, what do you guys use? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower tool bag
Amazingly, I found the best deal on the bags to be at a Harbor Freight store! Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 10:01 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower tool bag I'd suggest two big ones. I forget where to get them, I can look tomorrow if you would like. On Sep 20, 2010 10:58 PM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: Round canvas bag. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wirele... WISPA Wan... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Commercial rooftop - Tripod
http://www.moonblinkwifi.com/pd_rohn_5.cfm This is the kind of mount we specify on the rooftops we manage - for smaller antennas. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 9:53 AM Subject: [WISPA] Commercial rooftop - Tripod I am looking to install a tripod on a commercial rooftop. It's the style with the metal framing (3' or larger spans) and just insulation and the roofing material between. What do you guys do when you have to setup a tripod on such a roof? Two legs could probably be secured to the metal framing, but what to do with the 3rd leg is what puzzles me. I have installed on this type of roof before, but it was with a DSS mount. I just sucked the 2 bolts holding the DSS down tight and used nuts and lock washers on the back side. I may have left the remaining holes unsecured. I seriously doubt I could do the same thing with a tripod. -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Fw: From Homeland Security morning report
August 27, WINK 9 Fort Meyers - (Florida) 2 charged with stealing copper wire from Collier County tower. Information sharing between law enforcement agencies and detective work in Collier County, Florida, helped lead to the arrests of two men - including a career criminal - on multiple felony charges after deputies said the men stole copper wire from a communications tower owned by Renda Broadcasting in East Naples August 26. A 28-year-old man from Golden Gate, and a 32-year-old man from Golden Gate were each charged with burglary, grand theft $300 to $5,000 and possession of burglary tools. A search of the van turned up fresh-cut copper wire and cables, along with large bolt cutters, a pry bar and large channel lock pliers. The suspects were arrested and booked into the Collier County jail. The 32-year-old suspect was additionally charged with two felony counts of possession of a controlled substance after deputies found a small plastic bag containing Xanax and Oxycontin pills in his possession during the traffic stop, according to arrest reports. Source: http://www.winknews.com/Local-Florida/2010-08-27/2-charged-with-stealing-copper-wire-from-Collier-County-tower#ixzz0xpEUUyh2 Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Tower/truck death
http://www.wirelessestimator.com/breaking_news.cfm#Minnesota_Death The Isanti County Sheriff's Office said that Mark Robert Anderson, 40, was assisting in the erection of a tower for Genesis Wireless at 3389 Helium St. NW in Wyanett Township when the Lull Telehandler - with the boom fully extended approximately 40 feet - fell over. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice
Wow. Guess the 30 or so that I have done should have all been rejected. Oops. Or maybe I read the rules, talked with APCO, and the FCC before hand. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice Did you give the lat/long for each/all stations? You will be rejected if you didn't You can't just get a 4.9 license. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice
Why? 4.9 Ghz licenses are basically automatic. If the agency already has ANY FCC license, then a 4.9 is simply an add on that has very little engineering information. By any - I mean they license they do their dispatch on. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice We are in the process here to get a license for the local Sheriff Department for 4.9ghz, it is taking way longer than anticipated. The FCC is really slow. Equipment that we were going to deploy was Motorola PMP-49400. About $1,500 per radio with integrated antenna for 21Mbps aggregate on a 10mhz channel. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steven McGehee Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 11:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice Thanks Ralph. Yeah not looking to pass commercial traffic on this, I just didn't know anything about 4.9 and wanted to get some feedback, etc., from people just like yourself. Thank you for your response, and the others, too. On 8/26/2010 22:35, Ralph wrote: So are you going to be doing some municipal video surveillance or something for the Fire or Police department? The 4.9 band is PUBLIC SAFETY only. I have deployed a lot of it in my area on surveillance projects for the PD and some at the University of Georgia (for their PD). It all has to be licensed and as was said by someone else before it CANNOT be used for regular ISP stuff. That said, I was not impressed with the performance. There seemed to be a lot of interference and I ended up only using 4 links and they were all about 2 blocks in length. There's not a lot of certified equipment out there (don't even THINK about Mikrotik) and what is there is expensive. My 2 cents worth from an actual user :-) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steven McGehee Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 9:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice Hey guys, We may be getting into some 4.9Ghz deployments soon and I thought I would check with you guys to see what sort of tips and 'gotchas' you may know of if you currently are operating in 4.9. We are having a meeting soon with the local municipality to see how we can work together to get this potentially going for the benefit of everyone in the community. Please feel free to email me directly if you'd prefer with any advice or tips in working with the local government, what equipment you recommend, maybe legal advice, etc. I know that's vague, but I hope it's specific enough as well :) .. thanks. -Steven WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice
Yes, and No. for primary status you must file each location, but hardly anyone does that. It is totally legal just to apply for a geographical license. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 9:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice Like 3650, you do have to list all the fixed radios including both ends of the link. What slows down some people's applications is that they mess up on that. The FCC takes forever to NOTIFY you that there is a problem, so you have to have someone go on line and check each day. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 4:59 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice We are in the process here to get a license for the local Sheriff Department for 4.9ghz, it is taking way longer than anticipated. The FCC is really slow. Equipment that we were going to deploy was Motorola PMP-49400. About $1,500 per radio with integrated antenna for 21Mbps aggregate on a 10mhz channel. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steven McGehee Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 11:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice Thanks Ralph. Yeah not looking to pass commercial traffic on this, I just didn't know anything about 4.9 and wanted to get some feedback, etc., from people just like yourself. Thank you for your response, and the others, too. On 8/26/2010 22:35, Ralph wrote: So are you going to be doing some municipal video surveillance or something for the Fire or Police department? The 4.9 band is PUBLIC SAFETY only. I have deployed a lot of it in my area on surveillance projects for the PD and some at the University of Georgia (for their PD). It all has to be licensed and as was said by someone else before it CANNOT be used for regular ISP stuff. That said, I was not impressed with the performance. There seemed to be a lot of interference and I ended up only using 4 links and they were all about 2 blocks in length. There's not a lot of certified equipment out there (don't even THINK about Mikrotik) and what is there is expensive. My 2 cents worth from an actual user :-) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steven McGehee Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 9:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice Hey guys, We may be getting into some 4.9Ghz deployments soon and I thought I would check with you guys to see what sort of tips and 'gotchas' you may know of if you currently are operating in 4.9. We are having a meeting soon with the local municipality to see how we can work together to get this potentially going for the benefit of everyone in the community. Please feel free to email me directly if you'd prefer with any advice or tips in working with the local government, what equipment you recommend, maybe legal advice, etc. I know that's vague, but I hope it's specific enough as well :) .. thanks. -Steven WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] Inexpensive outdoor netcam
deer cams are available for 50 bucks from Cabellas. Makes it nice when you want a view from outside the compound. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 9:53 PM Subject: [WISPA] Inexpensive outdoor netcam I'm looking for an inexpensive outdoor netcam. Inexpensive because funds are slim as I rebuild the network I just bought. I need it because a tower of mine was vandalized today. -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tower site thefts
Or knowledge that has not been published perhaps? Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 12:33 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower site thefts Now see, you are not playing fair. The article in the link does not say that. For what you have said to be true, you must have other articles on the subject. On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 10:27 PM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: LOL... One can usually surmise pretty well when they are caught with the generators from 3 other sites, complete with serial numbers. Of course I guess someone could have slipped those monster units onto their trailer without them knowing about it. I say it again, alleged is just a nicety. (shaking my head) Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 3:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower site thefts That, and there is no proof that they ARE the ones responsible for doing it, as yet reported. Likely, since one or both of them seam loose lipped, they will confess to at least some of the sites in question. They were only caught at one site after all. On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: These guys are alleged to have ripped out AC units, and copper wire at many of the sites in question. Isn't alleged a cute word, it means they did it but to keep the attorneys at bay we use it WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tower site thefts
I went around the corner, and all that was left was a big old hole! I did hear recently about a fire hydrant that was stolen out of the ground in Northern NJ... Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 11:48 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower site thefts Who is stealing tower sites? :-p WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Tower site thefts
http://www.wirelessestimator.com/breaking_news.cfm#Generator Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tower site thefts
These guys are alleged to have ripped out AC units, and copper wire at many of the sites in question. Isn't alleged a cute word, it means they did it but to keep the attorneys at bay we use it Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 12:14 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower site thefts They should be hung from the highest..tower! On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: http://www.wirelessestimator.com/breaking_news.cfm#Generator Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tower site thefts
LOL... One can usually surmise pretty well when they are caught with the generators from 3 other sites, complete with serial numbers. Of course I guess someone could have slipped those monster units onto their trailer without them knowing about it. I say it again, alleged is just a nicety. (shaking my head) Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 3:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower site thefts That, and there is no proof that they ARE the ones responsible for doing it, as yet reported. Likely, since one or both of them seam loose lipped, they will confess to at least some of the sites in question. They were only caught at one site after all. On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: These guys are alleged to have ripped out AC units, and copper wire at many of the sites in question. Isn't alleged a cute word, it means they did it but to keep the attorneys at bay we use it WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] pole attachment discussion
http://www.rcrwireless.com/article/20100818/FACILITATORS/100819947/0 Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Longview TX
Got a call from a business needing service in Longview TX. I have no idea about how much bandwidth, but I will pass on the info to anyone that can help them out. And before the 2404850834845 questions start, I am posting this to the WIRELESS INTERNET SERVICE PROVIDERS mailing list. That would insinuate that they are wanting WIRELESS INTERNET. I know not where in Longview - all I have is the name and the phone number. Did I mention this was for WIRELESS INTERNET? Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 4G carrier for carriers
Although they do use that satellite word a lot, elsewhere in their page they talk about 40,000 cell sites - as in possibly they are doing their backhaul using satellite, but their last mile by terrestrial? I don't have a clue, but it appears they have a fairly big slug of money. One big warning flag I saw was they were talking about their satellite being built by Boeing right now - only one? No backup? Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 1:17 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4G carrier for carriers It looks like yet another attempt at satellite broadband. More big bucks to outer space! Spectrum assets and financing. *LightSquared* already owns valuable high quality spectrum assets, including 59 Mhz of nationwide ubiquitous spectrum in an advantageous frequency position. In addition to the $2.9 billion of assets already contributed by Harbinger Capital Partners and affiliates,*LightSquared* has additional debt and equity financing of up to $1.75 billion. Harbinger Capital Partners Harbinger Capital Partners is a leading private investment fund based in New York with $10 billion in assets under management. The firm was founded in 2001 and employs a fundamental approach to deep value and distressed credit investing. Harbinger is led by Philip A. Falcone, its Chief Executive Officer, who has over 20 years of investment experience across an array of market cycles. On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 1:07 AM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: http://www.lightsquared.com/about-us/ Anyone following these guys? Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Free 19 shock mounted shipping rack.
http://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/ele/1892231194.html This link may work a bit better. Anyways, I get to be the first to say it... NICE RACK! Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 10:21 PM Subject: [WISPA] Free 19 shock mounted shipping rack. I have been keeping this rack around for a long time, thinking I could use it somewhere but I have decided to give it away to anyone on the list who wants it. The guts of it are mounted on rubber shock mounts and it is about 3 feet high. It is great for making an Emergency POP in and using to drop in to a temporary location. It was designed to ship DataRadio wireless data systems in. If you want it, it is free. You'll have to pick it up near Atlanta or pay the freight charges to get it to you. One great thing is that it needs no packing. It's its own packing! If you want to see it, I have it on Craigslist locally for 25 bucks. https://post.craigslist.org/atl/S/ele/nat/x/3eFNkYeiPyQiBv3k/so7Bo Ralph WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Costs
Ok, I hope this is allowable. I have been asked by a friend - not even close to the WISP or tower industry, to provide a basic value to some equipment. Most of this is in use now, and I have no more info that what I will list. Best guess is all I can ask for. If it DOES go for sale, I will make sure it goes to this list first. Motorola access points Standard 5.8 Ghz (40?) Advantage 900 (5?) Advantage 5.8 (10?) 5 Motorola Backhaul 10 Trango backhaul 26 Soloteck backhaul 12 EXP backhauls 30 servers, consisting of mail, DNS, Billing, web, LAN, telephone, etc. No idea on what kind of software, etc. 3000 Motorola SM subscriber units, 5.8, 5.2, and 900. 2000 Trango 5.8 Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Costs
I figure it kills the value! That and the cost of taking some of those AP's down. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Matt lm7...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 4:46 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Costs Ok, I hope this is allowable. I have been asked by a friend - not even close to the WISP or tower industry, to provide a basic value to some equipment. Most of this is in use now, and I have no more info that what I will list. Best guess is all I can ask for. If it DOES go for sale, I will make sure it goes to this list first. Motorola access points Standard 5.8 Ghz (40?) Advantage 900 (5?) Advantage 5.8 (10?) 5 Motorola Backhaul 10 Trango backhaul 26 Soloteck backhaul 12 EXP backhauls 30 servers, consisting of mail, DNS, Billing, web, LAN, telephone, etc. No idea on what kind of software, etc. 3000 Motorola SM subscriber units, 5.8, 5.2, and 900. 2000 Trango 5.8 Hmm, are truck rolls required to pull sm's? Could really hurt value. Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Lightening protection
I start looking for a marching band with 76 trombones Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 11:02 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lightening protection NEVER THE TOP! Top starts with T and that rhymes with me and I'm TROUBLE! Trouble with a capital T. Happens. Sorry. Been a long month. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Lightening protection
BTW, you would not believe what I found at a tower site the other day, a riding lawn mower! Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 11:40 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lightening protection I hear ya. I'll be glad when September rolls around. Moving this office is killing me. HEY! Shot my left index finger with the framing nailer! One hole in, one hole out. 2 for 1. I should learn to hire others to shoot their own fingers. Then I could laugh at their misfortune. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance
We are cash pay. Regular DR visits are half of what the quoted rate is. Hospital is pretty much the same way. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 10:19 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance That is very interesting... it is the first time I am hearing as such... Our experience has been on the contrary... Without the insurance company's pre-netogitated discounts, it is impossible to get a reasonable bill.. more like.. They stick to you as a cash paying customer.. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 7/30/2010 9:20 PM, Roger Howard wrote: I had a friend who had a triple heart bypass. They gave him the bill for loadsa money, assuming he would pay it over a long period of time. When he said he was paying cash outright, it cost a tiny fraction of the amount the bill was for. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
Is that for a set, or a pole and a set? Pole and a set, that is a steal! Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 5:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations No, but I have friends/customers with really big bucket trucks. They are tree guys. Also, the local electric utility usually sets my poles. I have customers there too. The company charged me $250.00 for a 65 footer a few months back. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 5:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations Must not have any lineman friends. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 7/19/2010 4:53 PM, Mike wrote: Fred: I have some poles on my network. They are hard to climb and service would be the only caveats I'd share. Consider windmills. The ones they sell to keep ponds aerated are aesthetically pleasing and not too expensive. Friendly Regards, Mike Mike Gilchrist Disruptive Technologist Advanced Wireless Express P.O. Box 255 Toledo, IA 52342 239.770.6203 m...@aweiowa.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Fred R. Goldstein Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 3:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not farmland. It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to cover the planned turf. Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in the loose sense) and access antennas. The obvious place to put these is atop utility poles. I think the local electric cooperative will cooperate and let us rent pole space. We may however need to put additional poles in some places. They seem cheaper than metal towers and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows. Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of arrangement? We're in the budgeting stage now. I have an idea what the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal. The big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber installs, not WISP-style radios. So we may also want to bring in someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or setup with us too. Thanks. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Interference on 11GHz
Hauling any public safety on those links? Even the local FD that you give free service to... Otherwise, good luck getting any real response from the FCC. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: can...@believewireless.net p...@believewireless.net To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 4:04 PM Subject: [WISPA] Interference on 11GHz Anyone know who we would contact at the FCC to help determine what is causing us interference on our 11GHz link? Seems to have started as soon as Clear started putting a ton of 11GHz gear on one of our broadcast points. They are saying they conducted a study and no interference was found. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Leasing Companies
It is often tough for a local bank to make a loan for towers, at least one that values it correctly. Bankers for the most part do not understand the industry. Now, if someone has a contract where a cell company is leasing space, that can be converted to cash quickly. (Like JG Wentworth says, Its your money, and you want it now!) Leases can be sold on terms to work with your operation. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Leasing Companies Charles, yeah, thats the problem In these loans, the product being bought is a large part of the colladeral securing the loan. Banks dont have a problem using land, and Physical infrastrucure like buildings or towers purchased as colladeral. I'm guessing they are not likely to approve a transaction that was primarilly wireless gear, because the pruchased product would not be looked at as safe colladeral. (unless borrower was heavilly coladeralized). If the loan was granted, then the borrower would have a high dollar liabilty on their personal report, possibly making it harder to obtain future fnancing for things like operating capitol. I'm finding there are tons of programs for everything except what we actually need. AKA a small loan for wireless gear, without overly burdening the borrower with large debt, that can be expanded on every 3-5 months or so as borrower learns what they need that specific time period. I hate having to forcast what gear I might need one year in advance, half of it could end up just sitting on the shelf, or making it harder to save the cash for the product you end up needing.. Unfortuntately, basic Fixed Rate Line of Credits are the hardest type of financing to get. :-( However, for your intended use, as you explained it, what a wonderful program! I can see how it could benefit many Rural WISPs, if they took advantage of it.. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 8:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Leasing Companies I'm using this money to buy hard assets -- e.g., land/tower/infrastructure - there are some radios / routers / backhauls in it, but that's probably less than 20% of the total amount These also ARE NOT working capital loans, and I doubt it would cover a spectrum lease The way it works is your bank puts in 50%, the CDC (via the SBA) puts in 40%, and you put in 10% The bank takes the first lien and the SBA takes a subordinate position Say you take a loan for $100k You'll put down $10k, the bank puts up $50k and the SBA puts up the remaining $40k In the event of default, the bank liquidates your assets...as long as the assets can be liquidated for at least $50k, the bank is whole We're using this money mostly for towers to reduce operating expenses (e.g., where I might pay $1,000 / month for tower rent, I now go spend $80k to go buy something...my monthly payment on that over a 10 year amortization comes out to about $750 / month, so I'm actually $250 / month ahead and now I can put whatever I want on it =) Then, sometimes you strike gold and get an unexpected call from US Cellular who's willing to pay $1-2k / month to put their stuff on your tower =) -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 4:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Leasing Companies Charles, Thanks for the Info/Link. In 2009, SBA had a great program based on a ARRA program, for a basic small business loan for any purpose. They were increasing the SBA guarantee to 90% of loan value (instead of I think it used to be 80% or less). That made it way easy to obtain a bank loan, with only 10% down, because it was 100% risk-free for the bank. But lke any government program lots of paperwork was required. Unforunteately, I did not learn about it until last few weeks of December 2009, and I was not able to compelte all teh requirements in time to submit an application. In 2010, that program expired. :-( The CDC program link you attached, inferred it could be 100% guaranteed by SBA. Wow. But trying to find the catch, of what would disqualify someone? For example. The CDC/504 loan program is a long-term financing tool for economic development within a community. So what qualifies as Economic development? Does this mean that a plan need to be pre defined for loan proceeds to apply to equipment to be used only in the one specific Area/Community, that meets an specific economic profile? For
Re: [WISPA] Insurance carriers (I need one)
http://www.towerinsurance.net/ Ask for David Saul. David is recognized quickly by any of the tower companies, and completely trusted. I believe he can take care of all your needs. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 9:59 AM Subject: [WISPA] Insurance carriers (I need one) I'm having a hard time finding someone to insure us for the requirements below... Employer's liability insurance in an amount not less than $1,000,000 each occurrence. Commercial General Liability (including completed operations and contractual liability) on an occurrence basis with limits of not less than $5,000,000 per occurrence which can be achieved through a combination of primary and excess liability (umbrella) policies. Comprehensive form automobile liability covering owned, hired and non-owned vehicles with limits of not less than $5,000,000 combined single limit each accident which can be achieved through a combination of primary and excess liability (umbrella) policies. All-risk or special causes of loss property insurance covering the Site Equipment and appurtenant personal property for full replacement cost. All policies required hereunder shall be written by an insurer having a policyholder rating (Best Rating) of at least A- or better and be assigned a financial size category of at least Class VIII as rated in the most recent edition of Best's Key Rating Guide for insurance companies, and be authorized to do business within the State of FL. Such commercial general liability and property insurance policies shall name Licensor and the Site Manager (and such other parties as Licensor may reasonably specify from time to time) as additional insureds. Anyone have any suggestions of a carrier that understands our industry and the fact that an antenna on a building or tower would probably never cause any claims to be submitted... Just there cause the lessor needs the paperwork. Thanks. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] and you think we have it bad
http://www.wirelessestimator.com/breaking_news.cfm Entire tower crew killed Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Water Tower on fire! (With Cellular involved)
http://www.channel3000.com/news/23558364/detail.html Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids
After getting 4 kids into their 20's, and learning from my own mistakes (A LOT of them) this is what I have come up with. TRUST. As soon as you expressly forbid them to do something, you have waived that red flag in front of them, and they will find a way. And you know, with the Zunes, Ipods, Cell phones, PSP's, etc, all with internet access, as well as library computers, school computers (the password to unlock the browsing safety program is well known) friends computers, etc, kids will access the net without you knowing about it, and they will do some stupid things. Teach them the consequences, both from you and from the real world, what can happen, and then be there. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: sp-...@sp-ceo.com Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 12:49 AM Subject: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Hi All, Here's the scenario. My kids are expressly forbidden from having email addresses outside my domain. They are forbidden from having myspace, facebook etc. sites. If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on. If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can delete things from. I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet that might bite them in the butt later. The days of people eventually forgetting the stupidity of youth or passion are long gone. Anyway, my 13 year old has a myspace account. He used a hotmail email address to get it. He had permission to use neither of them. I finally found out about the myspace account and went in to check out what he'd been saying. His trash and sent messages had both been erased between when I got the password out of him and when I had time to check on it. (I didn't know that his zune, a video player would ALSO allow him to get on the net and work on his page, talk to his friends etc. deep sigh) So, I contacted myspace, using his account, and asked for all of the deleted information. I explained that I was the father of a minor and that he had no permission to use their site and I wanted to know what was being hidden from me. I gave my full name AND phone number as well as my email address. They were very good about contacting me quickly about this issue. However they flatly refused to provide me with any information! They had NO proof of age etc. on the account. Nothing to verify that the child was over 18 etc. And *I* as the PARENT am prevented from accessing the account information! go get it from your teen is basically what I was told. WTF is this??? Absolutly amazing. So, what do the rest of you do to try to protect or control your kids these days? thanks marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: Rohn 25G Tower Help
SHUDDER Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com To: motor...@afmug.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 10:53 AM Subject: [WISPA] OT: Rohn 25G Tower Help We purchased a WISP and are doing tower maintenance on one of their towers. I was going to replace the guy wires, bolts, redo the anchors (not a big fan of how it is done), install guy wire brackets, etc. Essentially it is a complete overhaul of the tower. The tower is 150' Rohn 25G. The guy anchors are placed at 51', 51', and 44' from the base (can't be any more because of the lot). Rohn used to have a PDF document going over the requirements for anchors, guy wires, etc. for different guy anchor positions. I cannot find this document, and all I can find is the standard one with the standard 120' anchor placement from the base. Do any of you have any recommendations or documentation on how to figure out the correct materials to be used to support this tower? Moving the guy anchor positions out is not an option. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Does anybody have any ideas?
70KW linears? I throw the BS flag on that one. 500 miles with no skip? That pesky law of physics throws the BS flag on that one. I would LOVE to see a mobile antenna capable of handling 70KW. Much less the power source, as well as the feedline. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Chuck Profito cprof...@cv-access.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 8:48 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Does anybody have any ideas? Forbes, Hope the rest of the list doesn't think I'm nuts: Do you see any large, hi gain CB or Ham beam antennas or Truckers from the southern area parked or loading nearby? Within say 1/4 mile of B tower? The new mobile 70KW class C Linear's are about as dirty as they come. Some of those drivers from Mexico and AZ are talking direct, no skip, 500 miles on the lower vertical channels. That much bleed over in radiated power may trip ground on your switch and or MT boards. It could come right thru your tower grounding, let alone your antennas and CAt5. Could you try batteries there? Say a smart charger thru a UPS, then to batteries. i.e. no common ground. Chuck Profito -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 10:06 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Does anybody have any ideas? We have been plagued with an ongoing issue in our Mikrotik backhauls. It happens about once a month and only on three radios that feed each other, all other sites work fine. Site A is my head end, it is a Mikrotik 433 with an XR5 chip that feeds about five miles to another site to Site B. Site B has the same equipment that goes through a managed switch then passes on to Site C about 7 miles further. What happens is we are suddenly paged that all three are down. Sometimes Site A stays up, most times not, we can get into Site A since it's the head end and we reboot it, it comes right back up. Site B and C stay down, we have to drive to Site B and reboot it, it comes back up but Site C stays down. We have a remote reboot for it from a redundant feed so after rebooting it C reconnects to B and they are all up. This will happen three or four more times in a single day or not at all again for a month, it's totally unpredictable. The boards are up but not communicating, it also takes down the other 2.4 Mikortik AP's at Site B and that has to be rebooted. We normally run arp -d to clear up any residual, it sure appears to be traffic related and we are on a bridged not routed network. The only similarities is it's only this feed, it usually happens in spurts of a day or two then stops for a long time, it always happens during the working day leading me to believe it's coming from a day user. We run Wireshark but see nothing, we torch the towers and they don't show much unusual. We're thinking it might be a deluge of traffic between Site B and C and are thinking of putting a PC at the C tower to run diagnostics there. This is very manpower heavy as we have to send people two places and average down time is one hour to do this. We are going to turn our network into a routed network this Summer but that doesn't help now. Any ideas would be appreciated. Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?!
If you have any public safety people using your system, even just for their offices, mention that public safety is being interfered with. Watch them move into HIGH gear then. We have to call them every once and a while for public safety issues, and they are tremendous to deal with. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?! I get what you are saying Bob. But sometimes it's more about knowing WHO to call. I just had a guy call with a similar problem. You all know him and I'd drop his name but I don't want to tip off the dirt bag operator. When he first called the FCC he ended up at the wrong place. They told him that there was nothing they could do. I had him call back and specifically ask for the enforcement folks NOT the consumer complaint folks. He had pictures, spectrum analyzer, radio screen shots etc. that showed, clearly, that the other guy was aiming antennas right at his. When the good guy moved channels the bad guy moved with him, within days. He was also able to get together with another local WISP who added his name to the complaint. This did take a couple of months to work through the system but last I'd heard the FCC HAD been working on this complaint. Perhaps it's far enough along that the good guy can tell you a bit more. 1-800-call-fcc Ask for ENFORCEMENT. You need to have your documentation in order first. It's true that we all have to accept interference. It's also true that we can't CAUSE it maliciously. They also have a hissy fit when we go over the allowable power levels. For what it's worth, nearly all of my systems are below, often well below, legal levels. They tend to work better that way anyhow. Use bigger antennas not more power. Range and reliability is about SNR. You can get that in two ways. More power is one. Better ears is another. Better ears also mean narrower beams which usually means less interference which also means greater SNR which means longer ranges which means less AP's which means less interference etc. etc. etc. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Lakeland lakel...@gbcx.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 12:40 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?! Marlon, You have personal contacts. That's cheating. I have contacts too and could probably get action if I needed it but I am talking the regular Wisp calling the field office. Unless you have an inside number at the field office you usually only get the recorded TV interference message. Maybe I'm just totally wrong. -B- Marlon K. Schafer writes: H, I've had much better luck that than Bob. marlon - Original Message - From: Lakeland lakel...@gbcx.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?! Sorry I side with Travis. I have quite a few experiences with Enforcement Bureau out of NY, Philly and DC and I know with the tremendous reduction of their budget and workforce they are having enough issues just trying to do FM/AM/TV inspections that they are required by law to do. There is no manpower for chasing down unlicensed operations unless they are causing interference to a licensed operation like weather radar or some other priority service. Forget pursuing an interference complaint between two Part 15 issues especially if any travel is involved. Thats the reality of the matter. -B- Jerry Richardson writes: Gotta keep bringing it up. eventually they will respond. Squeaky wheel gets the grease. Ideally a host of documentation including letters to the offending ISP, previous reports to the FCC, etc will build the case. Gotta prove that they are operating over 36dB and that they are affecting other legitimate users of the band. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 2:38 PM To: wa4...@arrl.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?! Negative. I know of an ISP using 5 watt amps on 2.4ghz omni antennas. They have been reported several times to the FCC, and nothing happens. Travis Microserv Leon D. Zetekoff wrote: On 03/27/2010 03:58 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Regarding the competetor, if you can prove that your competetor is intentionally interfering with you, the FCC will actually get involved but it will take a long and painful paper-trail to build a strong enough case. if
Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest
But don't expect any of them to be anywhere close to Dayton. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Philip Dorr wirel...@judgementgaming.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 5:16 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest to find some other hamfests you can use http://www.arrl.org/hamfests.html On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 8:18 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: OK, I got invited from a good friend to go to Ham Fest in Dayton in May. Anyone else going? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest
Lets see... 300 rolls, 1200 feet each, total of 360,000 feet of rope. 68 miles of rope. Y=number of people with antenna mounted on hats at Dayton. 10 feet per person. I don't think we will have enough. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Lakeland lakel...@gbcx.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 9:01 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest That's great. Then we will have something to tie up every guy that walks by with a base ball cap that has a rubber duckie antenna sticking out of it ! LOL! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest
If I don't get rid of some more of this rope I may have a 21 foot trailer full of it at the flea market at Dayton. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 9:18 PM Subject: [WISPA] Ham Fest OK, I got invited from a good friend to go to Ham Fest in Dayton in May. Anyone else going? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest
I have about 300 rolls available of 3/8 propylene rope. 1200 foot on a roll, all NOS - in original shipping boxes on spools. This can be had in black or in that special yellow. (Everyone knows how special yellow rope is, sort of like a yellow housecat...) Tug with it, pull with it, lift with it, tag with it. Works great. Did I mention it was NEW old stock? Now - the best part. $100.00 per roll. Can you believe the madness? How can he sell it so low you ask? Cause it's crazy Blakes, and we are positively INSANE! Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 10:55 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest What's the rope? On 3/25/10, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: If I don't get rid of some more of this rope I may have a 21 foot trailer full of it at the flea market at Dayton. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 9:18 PM Subject: [WISPA] Ham Fest OK, I got invited from a good friend to go to Ham Fest in Dayton in May. Anyone else going? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest
Crud... Broken spool number 2. I know if you pull from the plastic of the spool, it will come apart. Were you able to get the rope off? Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 11:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest I've got a buyer for you! Can you bring it? If so, I'll buy another. That way the spool wont be broken from the shipping. On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 11:45 PM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: If I don't get rid of some more of this rope I may have a 21 foot trailer full of it at the flea market at Dayton. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 9:18 PM Subject: [WISPA] Ham Fest OK, I got invited from a good friend to go to Ham Fest in Dayton in May. Anyone else going? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest
Tell you what, if enough people go - and I decide to go - I will provide a hospitality area for anyone from the WISPA general list. Free soft drinks, chairs, etc. I usually get 4 stalls, and have room left over. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 11:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest I've got a buyer for you! Can you bring it? If so, I'll buy another. That way the spool wont be broken from the shipping. On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 11:45 PM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: If I don't get rid of some more of this rope I may have a 21 foot trailer full of it at the flea market at Dayton. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 9:18 PM Subject: [WISPA] Ham Fest OK, I got invited from a good friend to go to Ham Fest in Dayton in May. Anyone else going? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] VZ Tower Contact
I am a bit confused here. Did you have a bad experience? KGI Wireless manages many of the Verizon sites, and are somewhat OK to deal with. http://www.kgiwireless.com/Documents/QueryVerizonWirelessPublicSiteList.asp They can be a little stiff - but they know what a WISP is. Back in 2000 ATC signed an agreement to sublease all the space on over 2000 Alltel towers till 2015, making them the contact for Verizon/Alltel in a lot of the country. Chris, these would probably be your best routes, if it did not help please drop me a line in email. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Gary Garrett ggarr...@nidaho.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 9:27 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VZ Tower Contact Co-locate with Verizon? ha ha ha ha ha ! HA HA HA HA HA!!~!! I hope you have applied for CLEC status and have a BIG BIG bank account! On 3/16/2010 6:54 AM, chris cooper wrote: Does anyone have a good contact for VZ tower Co-lo in the Midwest? Thanks Chris Cooper Intelliwave WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Hardinsburg KY
Now for a twist Got a customer with a need for a small tower spot in or close to Hardinsburg KY. They will also need a T1. The antenna will be a two way radio LMR antenna. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Your experiences - RB750/RB750G Durability
Having worked for a major metro EMS service, as well as a major metro Fire service, as well as presently being the Chief of a rural department, and president of our local Chiefs association, I can tell you - you are a dick. But I digress. Lots of volunteer fire departments out there are doing tremendous jobs, espically in the rural world where they cannot afford the money to have paid people. Saving property, saving lives. Judging from your comment about being on digital yet, I presume you think that is the thing. NFPA, as well as many other fire service groups are warning NOT to go digital yet, at least for fireground purposes at a minimum, due to the issues with digital vocoders. Have a nice day. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 10:24 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Your experiences - RB750/RB750G Durability Being an old EMS and Fire Chief I can tell you - chances are it could be their cruddy equipment. Its obvious they are not on digital yet... I could tell you some really big horror stories from my EMS days ... Volunteer Dept's are even more fun (done both sides of the fence) If you really want to pick his britches... next time your there pick up the phone and dial 390 ask for a volunteer carpenter ... then dial 829 and ask for a volunteer plumber... finally dial 911 and ask for a volunteer Fire Fighter... (ok bad joke) I love the volunteers - they are what made every department I was part of so great... without them - the departments imho are worthless... but it sure is fun to get that volly chief all up in a tiffy ! ;-) Now - if we could only get our equipment to push tones out - we could have some real fun.. and page them any time of the day.. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Your experiences - RB750/RB750G Durability
With apologies to all on the list, I meant to send that privately. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 11:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Your experiences - RB750/RB750G Durability Having worked for a major metro EMS service, as well as a WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Your experiences - RB750/RB750G Durability
Absolutley. Digital is coming, but it ain't ready for prime time, at least for the Fire Service. Thanks. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Jason Bailey j284...@yahoo.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 11:20 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Your experiences - RB750/RB750G Durability As a ran out of job by nextel moto radio tech,the problems generated can be a simple harmonic,but ,neverthless!most departments operate vhf analog systems,and cannot justify digital systems...they suck!! and are very expensive!!and I as a wisp know that if i were causing harmful interference to my local vol/paid department,my customers would understand me shutting down the computer ...if it meant saving a life...and this is real world stuff!!!Just remember one thing,,a wisp needs networking pro's...i am not one..but i am a real world rf guy,and the most important thing in the world is that the two-tone dispatch reaches our crew in time to save my house...or my family..Please take seriously any possible rf concerns,as they may affect the life of someone you may/may not knowJason --- On Tue, 3/16/10, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: From: Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] Your experiences - RB750/RB750G Durability To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tuesday, March 16, 2010, 12:09 AM Having worked for a major metro EMS service, as well as a WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Your experiences - RB750/RB750G Durability
To all, Glenn and I have worked this out via email. I have apologized. Back to the Ethernet issues! Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 11:46 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Your experiences - RB750/RB750G Durability I would agree - was joking... Ask Atlantic City how well Digital worked... I can tell you from personal experience. Ask Philadelphia City how well digital has worked... Trunking on the scene can be scary... Roll me a field Com and day Cincinnati Fire - just this January was screaming for a fix ... anyhow - as for the other... I agree its an issue w/ ethernet... On Mar 16, 2010, at 12:26 AM, Blake Bowers wrote: igital is coming, but it ain't ready for prime time, at least for the Fire Service. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Rope for sale
Everything I have is exactly what is in the pictures, save for the color difference. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 10:32 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rope for sale Is everything you have twisted, or do you have some braided? Blake Bowers wrote: Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rope for sale Lets see these fancy pictures Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 12:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rope for sale Twisted or braided? On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:26 AM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: As I do not normally sell rope, but this is a great deal for the benefit of WISP's, I hope that this posting one time will be acceptable. If not, please state my punishment so I can take it like a man. ROPE FOR SALE I have about 300 rolls available of 3/8 propylene rope. 1200 foot on a roll, all NOS - in original shipping boxes on spools. This can be had in black or in that special yellow. (Everyone knows how special yellow rope is, sort of like a yellow housecat...) Tug with it, pull with it, lift with it, tag with it. Works great. Did I mention it was NEW old stock? Now - the best part. $100.00 per roll. Can you believe the madness? How can he sell it so low you ask? Cause it's crazy Blakes, and we are positively INSANE! We can even offer quanity discounts at over 20 rolls. Shipping will be from the actual shipping quote - or you can pick up - or I can deliver if you are in my forecast travels (pretty much only in Missouri and Oklahoma this month). You can also buy the rope and just abandon it also Rope is located in southern Missouri. Pictures are available in case you have not seen such rope before. Payment is via paypal upon order of rope. Please reply to bl...@frostytowers.com for timely reply, or 417-293-0773 * Legal warning. Use of such rope demands proper training in its handling, storage, care, and use. Failure to have that knowledge does not constitute failure on our part to warn you or to prepare you for the ownership of such rope. Although use of rope as a sexual aid is done, we are not suggesting that it be used as such, nor are we suggesting that you do not use it as such. Practice safe rope. Peeing up a rope is still not suggested in any way. Use of this rope as a end to it all is never suggested. This rope is NOT suitable for pushing UP a tower. Your mileage may vary, void where prohibited, do not remove tag under penalty of law. * Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
[WISPA] Rope for sale
As I do not normally sell rope, but this is a great deal for the benefit of WISP's, I hope that this posting one time will be acceptable. If not, please state my punishment so I can take it like a man. ROPE FOR SALE I have about 300 rolls available of 3/8 propylene rope. 1200 foot on a roll, all NOS - in original shipping boxes on spools. This can be had in black or in that special yellow. (Everyone knows how special yellow rope is, sort of like a yellow housecat...) Tug with it, pull with it, lift with it, tag with it. Works great. Did I mention it was NEW old stock? Now - the best part. $100.00 per roll. Can you believe the madness? How can he sell it so low you ask? Cause it's crazy Blakes, and we are positively INSANE! We can even offer quanity discounts at over 20 rolls. Shipping will be from the actual shipping quote - or you can pick up - or I can deliver if you are in my forecast travels (pretty much only in Missouri and Oklahoma this month). You can also buy the rope and just abandon it also Rope is located in southern Missouri. Pictures are available in case you have not seen such rope before. Payment is via paypal upon order of rope. Please reply to bl...@frostytowers.com for timely reply, or 417-293-0773 * Legal warning. Use of such rope demands proper training in its handling, storage, care, and use. Failure to have that knowledge does not constitute failure on our part to warn you or to prepare you for the ownership of such rope. Although use of rope as a sexual aid is done, we are not suggesting that it be used as such, nor are we suggesting that you do not use it as such. Practice safe rope. Peeing up a rope is still not suggested in any way. Use of this rope as a end to it all is never suggested. This rope is NOT suitable for pushing UP a tower. Your mileage may vary, void where prohibited, do not remove tag under penalty of law. * Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Rope for sale
No, but I do have some spiffy pictures. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Philip Dorr wirel...@judgementgaming.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 10:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rope for sale Do you know the test strength of the rope? On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 8:26 AM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: As I do not normally sell rope, but this is a great deal for the benefit of WISP's, I hope that this posting one time will be acceptable. If not, please state my punishment so I can take it like a man. ROPE FOR SALE I have about 300 rolls available of 3/8 propylene rope. 1200 foot on a roll, all NOS - in original shipping boxes on spools. This can be had in black or in that special yellow. (Everyone knows how special yellow rope is, sort of like a yellow housecat...) Tug with it, pull with it, lift with it, tag with it. Works great. Did I mention it was NEW old stock? Now - the best part. $100.00 per roll. Can you believe the madness? How can he sell it so low you ask? Cause it's crazy Blakes, and we are positively INSANE! We can even offer quanity discounts at over 20 rolls. Shipping will be from the actual shipping quote - or you can pick up - or I can deliver if you are in my forecast travels (pretty much only in Missouri and Oklahoma this month). You can also buy the rope and just abandon it also Rope is located in southern Missouri. Pictures are available in case you have not seen such rope before. Payment is via paypal upon order of rope. Please reply to bl...@frostytowers.com for timely reply, or 417-293-0773 * Legal warning. Use of such rope demands proper training in its handling, storage, care, and use. Failure to have that knowledge does not constitute failure on our part to warn you or to prepare you for the ownership of such rope. Although use of rope as a sexual aid is done, we are not suggesting that it be used as such, nor are we suggesting that you do not use it as such. Practice safe rope. Peeing up a rope is still not suggested in any way. Use of this rope as a end to it all is never suggested. This rope is NOT suitable for pushing UP a tower. Your mileage may vary, void where prohibited, do not remove tag under penalty of law. * Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower contracts
I made the comment to an attorney the other day, that I don't drive in the same block as the courthouse any more without an attorney. Contracts are an agreement - they are not ironclad. You can discuss putting all sorts of stuff in a contract, but just because it is in the contract does not make it binding. If you put something in the contract that is contrary to state, federal, local or even case law, than it is just not valid. If the city already has imunity from liability, then nothing you put in there will change that. My contracts with WISP's are gentlemans agreements. My contracts with cell carriers are puffery. Well written by expensive attornies, but puffery none the less. If I read all this right, the OP has a deal where for no cost he can get on a city water tower, sites that he has been working on for two years. Is the contract perfect? Is any contract perfect? Is it a good deal for the WISP? Yeah, I would specify a limit on the free service. The other stuff, I would probably just sign and run with. The matter of what is included? Get them using your service and they will let you do whatever you need to do - within reason of course. It is not costing you any monthly money! That is considered a hell of a deal in a lot of places! I guess the litmus test would be, does your attorney play golf with the city attorney? Do you play golf with the city attorney? Really. If you have a relationship, or your attorney does, then making changes is easy. If no relationship, minor changes are viewed as more of a pain in the butt. There is a popular saying, that a man who is his own lawyer has a fool for his client. Surely you have have an attorney. It is well worth the money for his review. Bob's comment about a seperate corp for each tower site? Not a bad idea - often you will find a company has a few sites under each corp. For this to be really effective though you must not allow the corporate veil to be pierced, so you have to have seperate financials for each corp, annual meetings, corp book, etc. (we hold all of ours one after another on new years day) And corporations take different forms, which one is right for you? S chapter? LLC, etc? Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 8:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower contracts I am sure Blake will agree with me. No two contracts are the same especially in the tower business and especially when dealing with municipalities. If you don't like a clause submit a change request. Their will either entertain it or say no. The other thing that might happen is they just stop talking to you. I don't know what you are paying them, if anything, but I would run with this. Its not out of the norm but it would be nice to have the reciprocity in case they do something that makes you liable. If you are that worried, open another corporation and sign the lease under that one. Lease network services to you existing company and if something ever happens you have the buffer. Slimy but its done every day. -B- RickG wrote: One of our favorite topics :) So, I've had fairly good luck with the tower agreements that I've posted until lately. It seems people are getting real particular these days, which is fine. After two years of discusions, I've finally made some progress of getting on a nearby towns water tank. My issue is that they have scrapped my contract and come up with an easement contract of their own. Its not too bad but I'm concerned about the indemification section. Basically, it reads as follows: INDEMNIFICATION: The Grantee does hereby agree to defend, hold harmless, and indemnify Grantor, its successors and assigns, from any claim of liability or any other claim involving the access, utilities, or arising out of the Grantee's use of the easement described above, unless caused by Grantor's negligent or willful conduct or Grantor's failure to fulfill its maintenance obligations as set forth in Paragraph 6 above. As a government. the Grantor reserves all rights afford under its Sovereign Immunity. Basically, it protects them but not me. LOL, normally my contract does the reverse! Thoughts? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bloomfield MO
Very possibly. Smartest person I can find to talk to! Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 9:00 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bloomfield MO Yourself? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 11:05 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Bloomfield MO Ok, I am embaressed, or just really tired. who was I talking to about Bloomfield MO tower site? Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Great marketing
No tape, etc. Just no information. It just sounds unlikely to have it permanently done like that just to minimize phone calls when you are out of your area. Flying under the radar to avoid business licenses? They would have to prove that I did business in their town, just driving through it just is not going to work. I don't know what the deal is - but it sure looked strange. Marketing to me seems to be a big failing for many small businesses, and a lot of WISP's. Web pages without coverage maps (Afraid your competition may find out? Puhleaze...) Web pages without city and state, or telephone number? I see it all the time.. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 7:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Great marketing Um, maybe they were completely out of their area and had taped over the address/number. I've done that when pulling my trailer for other purposes. I didn't want everybody on Interstate 35 between Ames and Minneapolis who needed Internet to call. Once I got back home, the tape came off. Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blake Bowers Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 11:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Great marketing I was out running around some new tower sites, I think I was on I70 between Ft Riley and Topeka. I passed a red pickup truck, with big signs on the rear and sides, that said RURAL INTERNET PROVIDER. Thats it. Nothing more. No phone number, no name, no nothing. At the risk of offending someone on the list who owns that pickup, what is the point? Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Bloomfield MO
Ok, I am embaressed, or just really tired. who was I talking to about Bloomfield MO tower site? Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Great marketing
I was out running around some new tower sites, I think I was on I70 between Ft Riley and Topeka. I passed a red pickup truck, with big signs on the rear and sides, that said RURAL INTERNET PROVIDER. Thats it. Nothing more. No phone number, no name, no nothing. At the risk of offending someone on the list who owns that pickup, what is the point? Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
