Re: [WISPA] GPS synced systems
I can confirm Redline can use GPS. Jeremie Chism wrote: Pretty sure redline does also. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 14, 2010, at 11:38 AM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Redline 3.65? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 9:20 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] GPS synced systems Other than Canopy, what systems also use GPS sync? -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fw: FM choke
Hi Rick, I bought a couple of those beads that you linked to a few weeks ago when this was a hot topic -- but my outdoor (24 gauge) cable is too large to fit in them (i.e., the enclosure doesn't snap closed). Do you use an outdoor cable of smaller diameter than 24 gauge, or do you tape the ferrite bead enclosure closed or something? Thanks! RickG wrote: Yes, I put them on the power side of the Ethernet cable running up to the radios. On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 8:29 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I was thinking 1 would be needed per line, but only based on where I've seen ferrite in the past. You are saying you do it on the power side of the poe, right? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 7:56 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: I put them on the end at the ground before the POE. Not sure if two would make any difference. On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 2:42 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: For these ferrite chokes do you put one on the cable anywhere? At one end? Two (one at each end)? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 8:44 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: I use them on Skywalker direct burial ethernet cable. On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 8:36 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Can anyone confirm if these size ferrite pieces will work on direct buriel cat5 cable (like Mohawk or Superior Essex)? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 8:27 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: A little less $ here: http://www.ambientweather.com/am273105.html -RickG On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: From Mouser http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Fair-Rite/0431164181/?qs=KmHvPbTOE4SbzMQqE%2fOkzw%3d%3d Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: fyi marlon Dexter Magnetic Technologies 847-956-1140 0431164181 Ferrite Bead Assembly Apryl Kuch Office Manager Odessa Office Equipment/Accima Box 489 Odessa, Wa 99159 509 982-2181 M-F 9:00 - 3:00 www.odessaoffice.com www.accima.com - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: Odessa Office 509-982-2181 off...@odessaoffice.com Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FM choke Apryl? Where do we get those ferrite beads from? marlon - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 12:04 PM Subject: [WISPA] FM choke Hi, A while ago someone (Marlon?) posted a website that sells Ferrite chokes specifically for eliminating FM radio station RF in ethernet cables. Anyone have that link? Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fw: FM choke
No prob Rick -- yeah it could be that, it's Mohawk outdoor ethernet (don't know the specific model # off hand). Could also be since they only had two left in stock when I ordered that by the time my order was processed they slipped me another, smaller sized model shrugs :-) Thanks. RickG wrote: Sorry to hear that. My cable is 24 gauge, cat5e outdoor grade and the beads do fit. Maybe your cable has a thicker jacket? On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 11:02 PM, Steven G McGehee stev...@qx.net wrote: Hi Rick, I bought a couple of those beads that you linked to a few weeks ago when this was a hot topic -- but my outdoor (24 gauge) cable is too large to fit in them (i.e., the enclosure doesn't snap closed). Do you use an outdoor cable of smaller diameter than 24 gauge, or do you tape the ferrite bead enclosure closed or something? Thanks! RickG wrote: Yes, I put them on the power side of the Ethernet cable running up to the radios. On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 8:29 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I was thinking 1 would be needed per line, but only based on where I've seen ferrite in the past. You are saying you do it on the power side of the poe, right? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 7:56 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: I put them on the end at the ground before the POE. Not sure if two would make any difference. On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 2:42 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: For these ferrite chokes do you put one on the cable anywhere? At one end? Two (one at each end)? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 8:44 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: I use them on Skywalker direct burial ethernet cable. On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 8:36 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Can anyone confirm if these size ferrite pieces will work on direct buriel cat5 cable (like Mohawk or Superior Essex)? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 8:27 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: A little less $ here: http://www.ambientweather.com/am273105.html -RickG On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: From Mouser http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Fair-Rite/0431164181/?qs=KmHvPbTOE4SbzMQqE%2fOkzw%3d%3d Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: fyi marlon Dexter Magnetic Technologies 847-956-1140 0431164181 Ferrite Bead Assembly Apryl Kuch Office Manager Odessa Office Equipment/Accima Box 489 Odessa, Wa 99159 509 982-2181 M-F 9:00 - 3:00 www.odessaoffice.com www.accima.com - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: Odessa Office 509-982-2181 off...@odessaoffice.com Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FM choke Apryl? Where do we get those ferrite beads from? marlon - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 12:04 PM Subject: [WISPA] FM choke Hi, A while ago someone (Marlon?) posted a website that sells Ferrite chokes specifically for eliminating FM radio station RF in ethernet cables. Anyone have that link? Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http
[WISPA] Lists
I was curious to what other e-mail lists that people on WISPA follow related to the industry? Off hand, I know of / use WISPA and TowerTalk. What are some of your other favorites, including vendor specific ones? Thank you in advance. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Painting
Had a question about painting outdoor ethernet cable -- we've actually never had to do it before, but did today for a particular install that required us transitioning from one flat roof straight down to another flat roof about 35ft below. The brick was near-white, our cable was black, so I went with a nearly matching an exterior latex paint and it seemed to take to the Mohawk outdoor ethernet cable well. My question is, is Krylon (I think that's the name) spray paint a better option than exterior latex paint applied heavily with a brush? I'm not concerned with cost since this was a rare occasion for us, and it didn't take too long to paint with a brush. I'm just wanting to find the best method to ensure the cable stays painted for as long as possible in the weather. Thanks. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Documentation Methods
Thought of another question I wanted to pose to you gents regarding documentation on installations, primarily customer installations (as opposed to PoP/tower installations). I was curious what methods you employed during and/or after the install to best 'capture' the details of the installation. For example, some of the things we do are take notes of any specific 'gotchas' on site like needing to park in a certain area, what type of ladder or roof access there is, if you have to sign in or be escorted by a rep. of the business - etc. We also take photos of the installation when we're finished and write up notes afterwards on their account detailing the length and path of the cable that goes from the unit into the structure, what other PoPs we could see at the time, what signal/speeds we were getting, etc. If any of you would share your methods on what you do, I'd appreciate it. I think we're doing enough, but I'm always open to other suggestions and interested in seeing what others in the business are doing. Thanks. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Painting
Haha, that's a good point. One of the criteria we look at during site surveys is how can we best position the mount/unit for optimal performance but also least visibility from the ground? We're always trying to keep it hidden from the street or parking lot. Also thanks for the response Bob -- in about a year or so we'll probably check back to see if that cable is visible. It's somewhat hard to explain, but the cable sits far back enough from the parking lot/front of the building and there are so many other objects to look at that I wonder how truly noticeable our 24 gauge cable would be against the building if the latex coat did wear off shrugs -- time will tell, but I think if this comes up in the future we'll definitely go Krylon. Thanks. Scott Carullo wrote: Sorry I'm not answering your question but I had to mention this... Don't you find it odd that people always try to hide our stuff? Poles, antennas, ethernet cables etc.. Then you look right there to the left and theres the power company giant ugly wires coming from the pole to the large rusty pole on the building, the large solver box with the meter below etc. To the right is the cable company wires running across the entire roof from the far side down the wall around the gutter then through the hole the guy drilled behind the phone closet. Then there are the phone wires etc Is this not logical or is it just me :) They want us to make it invisible but don't care what the cable, power or phone companies do. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 From: Steven G McGehee stev...@qx.net Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 10:56 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Painting Had a question about painting outdoor ethernet cable -- we've actually never had to do it before, but did today for a particular install that required us transitioning from one flat roof straight down to another flat roof about 35ft below. The brick was near-white, our cable was black, so I went with a nearly matching an exterior latex paint and it seemed to take to the Mohawk outdoor ethernet cable well. My question is, is Krylon (I think that's the name) spray paint a better option than exterior latex paint applied heavily with a brush? I'm not concerned with cost since this was a rare occasion for us, and it didn't take too long to paint with a brush. I'm just wanting to find the best method to ensure the cable stays painted for as long as possible in the weather. Thanks. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Documentation Methods
haha, yeah we're considering shoulder cams. I'd love to see some installs from a first person, Blair Witch kind of perspective. lol, jk. Scott Carullo wrote: Next your going to have your camera man go with you to record the whole adventure complete with audio... I always like answering the (does it work in bad weather) and (how big is the antenna) questions. A1 - as long as it doesn't rain too hard...(always like their expression, I'm in FL) and A2 - its just a regular 12 foot satellite dish, you know the ones you have seen in peoples yard for satellite tv sits right up there on your roof, no worries we have very large screws that drill right down into the roof into the trusses... lol Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 11:19 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Documentation Methods OH! Something I recently started doing, a signed OK for any hole drilled BEFORE it's drilled. A suggestion from my insurance boy., Sounded like a good idea. - Original Message - From: Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 11:12 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Documentation Methods You should add (in my opinion): (1) photo of installation location BEFORE you do the install, not just a post install photo. (2) a sign-off from the customer saying your installation was acceptable. That goes a LONG ways when the wife gets home and complains. You got the husband's sign-off (or vice versa). Chuck On Apr 22, 2010, at 11:05 PM, Steven G McGehee wrote: Thought of another question I wanted to pose to you gents regarding documentation on installations, primarily customer installations (as opposed to PoP/tower installations). I was curious what methods you employed during and/or after the install to best 'capture' the details of the installation. For example, some of the things we do are take notes of any specific 'gotchas' on site like needing to park in a certain area, what type of ladder or roof access there is, if you have to sign in or be escorted by a rep. of the business - etc. We also take photos of the installation when we're finished and write up notes afterwards on their account detailing the length and path of the cable that goes from the unit into the structure, what other PoPs we could see at the time, what signal/speeds we were getting, etc. If any of you would share your methods on what you do, I'd appreciate it. I think we're doing enough, but I'm always open to other suggestions and interested in seeing what others in the business are doing. Thanks. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 When the stars threw down their spears, and water'd heaven with their tears, Did He smile, His work to see? Did He who made the Lamb make thee? From William Blake's Tiger!, Tiger! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Cheap Bird Deterrent Methods
We don't have a major problem with that thankfully, but I will say a nearby tower uses one of those small (I think it's roughly 6 cube-shaped) boxes that make an awful bird cawing racket every few minutes. It can startle humans as well as birds if you're close enough to it :-) Robert West wrote: Birds suck. Bird crap all over the new sectors, grids, everything. Tired of coming home smelling of bird crap. I prefer my usual stink. Is anyone using the plastic owls or any other weird thing to keep those flying crap machines off the AP's? i think of it everytime I climb a grain leg but never do anything about it. This is the year! Oh, and racoons. One AP is a 100 foot grain bin with steps up the side. Racoon poop (i only imagine that it what it is) on every other step. That I can deal with, I have kids afterall. But the birds just need to stop. Bob- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Service in London, KY?
Hi all, I was just wondering if anyone provides wireless connectivity in London, KY? Or are planning to offer service there within the next 12-18 months? Thanks. -Steven WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
Hi Kurt, What we decided to do a few years ago was let the residential users go, basically. We knew we couldn't compete with the telcos/cable co. increasingly lower prices so our sales guys (I'm a tech) changed tactics and just focused on businesses -- offering them multi-megabit upstream speeds, carrier grade uptime with SLAs whereby they get a credit for every hour they're down (which is quite rare, but customers like the sound of it). We often also throw offer a second backup wireless link (usually connecting on to a different PoP on a different frequency) and setup EIGRP for them. Hosting/email services/24-7 monitoring/colocation/voip are on the menu too so those get put into negotiations with the potential clients. Residential users don't have a need for a lot of that though, so we too were wondering how to compete. While we still do dialup/DSL for them, our strategy was to go for the businesses...a few years behind us, we're happy with that decision. Good luck! -Steven Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Local phone company here just expanded their DSL coverage area and mailed out fliers to everyone for $15 DSL. I see no mention of it being a promotional price. One person said as long as you have it they will not raise the rate from $15. Think its for 768k service. Anyways we are getting about 1 person a day switching from our $35/month/768k wireless service to this DSL. Does anyone have any suggestions as to how to retain these customers They are not even giving us a chance to offer them a lower price as they all already have the DSL turned on and been using it for a month before they cancel ours. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
That's a great point and we've noticed that too -- in fact, some of our phone techs will inform us that customers stuck with us or even switched back to us after dealing with poor (phone) support from the bigger companies. It's a good feeling, and it does still mean a lot to many people out there. Jayson Baker wrote: We offer something the telco never will... A local business with local, friendly support staff. All calls are answered and handled locally. We promote this heavily--and a lot of people are willing to pay more for it. On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 9:24 AM, Steven G McGehee stev...@qx.net wrote: Hi Kurt, What we decided to do a few years ago was let the residential users go, basically. We knew we couldn't compete with the telcos/cable co. increasingly lower prices so our sales guys (I'm a tech) changed tactics and just focused on businesses -- offering them multi-megabit upstream speeds, carrier grade uptime with SLAs whereby they get a credit for every hour they're down (which is quite rare, but customers like the sound of it). We often also throw offer a second backup wireless link (usually connecting on to a different PoP on a different frequency) and setup EIGRP for them. Hosting/email services/24-7 monitoring/colocation/voip are on the menu too so those get put into negotiations with the potential clients. Residential users don't have a need for a lot of that though, so we too were wondering how to compete. While we still do dialup/DSL for them, our strategy was to go for the businesses...a few years behind us, we're happy with that decision. Good luck! -Steven Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Local phone company here just expanded their DSL coverage area and mailed out fliers to everyone for $15 DSL. I see no mention of it being a promotional price. One person said as long as you have it they will not raise the rate from $15. Think its for 768k service. Anyways we are getting about 1 person a day switching from our $35/month/768k wireless service to this DSL. Does anyone have any suggestions as to how to retain these customers They are not even giving us a chance to offer them a lower price as they all already have the DSL turned on and been using it for a month before they cancel ours. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.4 legal ptp radios
I can say that Redline's AN80i 5.4Ghz units setup as a Bridge can use a 40Mhz channel with a theoretical speed of 108Mbps. Sector Controllers/APs utilize 20Mhz channels for up to 54Mbps. Hope that helps. Nathan Stooke wrote: Hello, I am glad I was wrong, I have been looking for a BH solution in the 5.4 gHz range at the price range of Tranzeo. How much bandwidth can you push in the 5.4 range. Can it use 20mhz cannels or 40 mhz or can you select that? Thanks -Original Message- From: Kurt Fankhauser [mailto:k...@wavelinc.com] Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 2:52 PM To: nstooke...@wisperisp.com; 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] 5.4 legal ptp radios Just hooked up a Tranzeo link between two buildings using two TR-5A-24's. These models did have the DFS built into them. I set the band to 5.4ghz and there is no other channel selection available. The Tranzeo decides what channel it will be on. And you do not have the ability to set Transmit Power in the wireless configuration page anymore. This is how it works. When the AP radio boots up it starts listening on a random channel. After 60 seconds of not hearing any of the 5.4ghz radar signatures it will then start broadcasting its SSID and then the client will connect. Its kind of annoying at fisrt cause you don't know if you have the AP/Clients configured correctly until at least 60 seconds have gone by but I have gotten used to it now. Now if it detects radar in the 60 second window it will go to the next channel and start the process over again. If it goes through all the channels and they all have radar present the radio will stop searching for clean channels after 30 minutes and then start all over again. The link I set up was about 150 yards so the TR-5A-24's were overkill. But the good thing is under the DFS configuration page you do have the ability to turn your EIRP power down. The Tranzeo will not allow itself to have more EIRP than 1 watt. It knows that it has a 24db antenna and will adjust the radio accordingly. However you can force the power to be less than 1 watt EIRP by setting the Transmit Power Control to MANUAL instead of AUTOMATIC. The link between the two buildings has their Transmit Power Control set at 10dBm which automatically turns the radio output power to -14db. So -14db transmit power plus 24db antenna gain = 10dBm EIRP = 1/100th of a watt :) Even at 1/100th of a watt on this short of a link the signals are still at -55db on each side. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nathan Stooke Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 1:06 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.4 legal ptp radios Hello, As far as I know the Tranzeo TR-5A is not approved in the US. While the radio can do it physically it does not have DFS and has not been approved for use in the US. I hope I am wrong. Any have the FCC doc to show it is OK to use in the US? I have not searched the FCC site for them. Thanks -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 10:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 5.4 legal ptp radios I'm trying to compile a list of options for FCC certified 5.4 ptp radios for short backhaul links. Off the top of my head, I can remember: Tranzeo TR-5A Trango TrangoLINK-45 Radwin 2000 (has mimo as well) Motorola PTP 100, 200, 300, 500, 600 Any others I'm not aware of? Sure would be nice to see more mimo/N radios certified in 5.4. Anyone working through the approval process (ligowave?). WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] EMR Suit usage?
Thanks Ralph, yeah that 'xmrack.jpg' is precisely what I see in the penthouse of this building, too. I didn't get a chance to check out those EMR suits though, to see what material they're made of, but that's on the docket for tomorrow. So on similar note, how many of you folks use Personal RF Monitors, and if so, what brands/models do you recommend? I just didn't know if NARDAlert was the go to brand for this or if others have had experience with alternate brands. Thanks. ralphlists wrote: I grabbed the photos and moved them over to our site. I thought they were a little better shots than they are, though. Try these links: The indoor transmitter with air conditioner http://brightlan.net/xmrack.jpg Their elliptical 6 waveguide and connector http://brightlan.net/xmwaveguide.jpg Their elliptical waveguide, air dryer, and connector http://brightlan.net/xmwaveguide2.jpg Just their logo http://brightlan.net/xmlogo.jpg Ralph -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy Parr Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 8:50 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] EMR Suit usage? It looks like his links are broken. Are you using IE or Firefox? From my Blackberry, the path appears to be servername\/xm/image.jpg, notice the double slash. On 3/3/10, ralphlists ralphli...@bsrg.org wrote: Hmm I just tried it again and they were OK. http://jawga.com/radio.php -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steven G McGehee Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 11:59 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] EMR Suit usage? Hm, I think you're right -- I thought that's what the suit I was looking at was made of, I'll look again tomorrow. Thanks for the link, but all of the pictures appear to be broken. As for the XM repeater, a co-worker spoke with the XM engineer who reported that the unit they have in place on this rooftop is doing a total EIRP of just 200 watts, which is comforting compared to what they can get up to. Thanks again. ralphlists wrote: I don't think Nomex has anything to do with RF suits or EMR suits. They are fire retardant suits for people who fly and do other things where they don't want to get burned up. As to your XM transmitter, I have one at one of my sites. My friend put some pics on his web page. http://jawga.com/radio.php Here are some guidelines we got when they put one on one of our towers. XM Radio Freq Frequency: 2332.5-2345 MHz To accomplish this, XM-Radio alone will set up about 1,500 high-power terrestrial repeaters. Each market will typically have dual repeaters at 2337.485 MHz and 2340.015 MHz. CAUTION: STAY CLEAR OF XM-RADIO SIRIUS TRANSMIT ANTENNAS The radiation in an operational system is similar to that of a MICROWAVE OVEN! Avoid the main lobe while servicing equipment on your tower. Ralph -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steven G McGehee Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 2:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] EMR Suit usage? Hi all, I was curious if you guys used EMR suits (i.e., suits made with Nomex or similar material). If so, under what circumstances, and if not, why not? :-) Basically I'm just wanting to get an idea on people's thoughts on how important these suits are to wear and when, and any other thoughts on the matter. Whether it be around cellular equipment, AM/FM/XM stations, etc. Thanks in advance. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] EMR Suit usage?
Hm, I think you're right -- I thought that's what the suit I was looking at was made of, I'll look again tomorrow. Thanks for the link, but all of the pictures appear to be broken. As for the XM repeater, a co-worker spoke with the XM engineer who reported that the unit they have in place on this rooftop is doing a total EIRP of just 200 watts, which is comforting compared to what they can get up to. Thanks again. ralphlists wrote: I don't think Nomex has anything to do with RF suits or EMR suits. They are fire retardant suits for people who fly and do other things where they don't want to get burned up. As to your XM transmitter, I have one at one of my sites. My friend put some pics on his web page. http://jawga.com/radio.php Here are some guidelines we got when they put one on one of our towers. XM Radio Freq Frequency: 2332.5-2345 MHz To accomplish this, XM-Radio alone will set up about 1,500 high-power terrestrial repeaters. Each market will typically have dual repeaters at 2337.485 MHz and 2340.015 MHz. CAUTION: STAY CLEAR OF XM-RADIO SIRIUS TRANSMIT ANTENNAS The radiation in an operational system is similar to that of a MICROWAVE OVEN! Avoid the main lobe while servicing equipment on your tower. Ralph -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steven G McGehee Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 2:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] EMR Suit usage? Hi all, I was curious if you guys used EMR suits (i.e., suits made with Nomex or similar material). If so, under what circumstances, and if not, why not? :-) Basically I'm just wanting to get an idea on people's thoughts on how important these suits are to wear and when, and any other thoughts on the matter. Whether it be around cellular equipment, AM/FM/XM stations, etc. Thanks in advance. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] EMR Suit usage?
Hi all, I was curious if you guys used EMR suits (i.e., suits made with Nomex or similar material). If so, under what circumstances, and if not, why not? :-) Basically I'm just wanting to get an idea on people's thoughts on how important these suits are to wear and when, and any other thoughts on the matter. Whether it be around cellular equipment, AM/FM/XM stations, etc. Thanks in advance. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] EMR Suit usage?
Thank you for the response Bob. We never have to work in front of cell antennas (behind them, but not in front), but one of our locations is on a colocated rooftop that has an FM station. Any time we go up to that rooftop though, we turn down the FM's transmitter from 100% to about 20%, and generally aren't up there for more than an hour at a time. There's an XM station (not sure if station is the right term) up there as well, and we don't disable that. We also aren't within 10-15ft of it very often. Is it right to assume that it's a using a very high frequency and probably has a small beamwidth, so it's safe to be in the area of it of, or..? Thanks again. Bob Moldashel wrote: Steve, There is no reason why someone in this industry should be wearing RF suit. A few quick notes: 1. Stay away from the front of all cell panel antennas and commercial microwave dishes. RF fields directly in front of these exceed that allowable under the standards. 2. Stay away from ALL broadcast antennas regardless if they are TV, Radio or low power educational or non-profit stations. These stations usually have RF guidelines for working around their equipment. They should be posted at the site but in many cases are not. 3. Keep a few (6) feet between yourself and most two-way radio whip antennas. If climbing you should be safe passing them. Try not to work on the same plane for an extended period of time. And don't use antennas for balance or grab points. Especially aluminum antennas. 4. Anyone working around this equipment should have RF awareness training which includes education on RF safety, emergencies, use of a PASS alarm system and RF suit usage. If you think you need to wear a suit you probably should not be near the equipment. In the cell industry we have the carrier shut the sector or site down when working in front of the antennas. In broadcast the transmitters are either shut down or the power is greatly reduced. This requires alot of work at night in the dark. FYI -B- Steven G McGehee wrote: Hi all, I was curious if you guys used EMR suits (i.e., suits made with Nomex or similar material). If so, under what circumstances, and if not, why not? :-) Basically I'm just wanting to get an idea on people's thoughts on how important these suits are to wear and when, and any other thoughts on the matter. Whether it be around cellular equipment, AM/FM/XM stations, etc. Thanks in advance. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] EMR Suit usage?
Bob, Fortunately, the FM station I am referring to only has a 3.7kW license, according to the information available on FCC.gov. Their antenna probably gives them a good amount of gain, not sure how much, so their ERP is likely double (I'm estimating, need to find out more). As for the XM repeater -- I need to do more research to make sure it's active. I'm trying to find an updated list of terrestrial repeaters. I have also yet to find anything on FCC's site regarding these repeaters' locations, but that's probably because they're kept private. The facility did have an RF Study done, but it's from 2003-2004, possibly before the XM Station was put in, I need to check on that. Thanks again! -Steven Bob Moldashel wrote: Steve, The XM Radio ground repeater is just as dangerous as the FM station. If this equipment is located on a rooftop the property owner as well as the station operator is responsible for the safe operation of the station. Usually there is an RF safety study done for the site. The report will state the safe zones for operation and any measures that need to be performed for the safe operation and working distances from the antennas. The XM transmitter is probably around 100 watts pumped into an 8 or 10 dB gain antenna and it operates somewhere around 2.33 Ghz. So in theory you are talking 800 watts ERP near the XM antenna in the microwave spectrum. How well would your stuff work if you could generate a 800 watt ERP signal? Turning the transmitter down on the FM station is a good start but if its a 100 kW transmitter and they turn it down to 20 kW (20%) thats still alot of power to be radiating all over the place. http://www.narda-sts.us/products_personal_main.php You need one of these before you need a suit. This goes off, you leave the area and let the appropriate people know there is an issue. I guarantee this sucker will be screaming within 30 feet of the XM antenna. Be safe -B- Steven G McGehee wrote: Thank you for the response Bob. We never have to work in front of cell antennas (behind them, but not in front), but one of our locations is on a colocated rooftop that has an FM station. Any time we go up to that rooftop though, we turn down the FM's transmitter from 100% to about 20%, and generally aren't up there for more than an hour at a time. There's an XM station (not sure if station is the right term) up there as well, and we don't disable that. We also aren't within 10-15ft of it very often. Is it right to assume that it's a using a very high frequency and probably has a small beamwidth, so it's safe to be in the area of it of, or..? Thanks again. Bob Moldashel wrote: Steve, There is no reason why someone in this industry should be wearing RF suit. A few quick notes: 1. Stay away from the front of all cell panel antennas and commercial microwave dishes. RF fields directly in front of these exceed that allowable under the standards. 2. Stay away from ALL broadcast antennas regardless if they are TV, Radio or low power educational or non-profit stations. These stations usually have RF guidelines for working around their equipment. They should be posted at the site but in many cases are not. 3. Keep a few (6) feet between yourself and most two-way radio whip antennas. If climbing you should be safe passing them. Try not to work on the same plane for an extended period of time. And don't use antennas for balance or grab points. Especially aluminum antennas. 4. Anyone working around this equipment should have RF awareness training which includes education on RF safety, emergencies, use of a PASS alarm system and RF suit usage. If you think you need to wear a suit you probably should not be near the equipment. In the cell industry we have the carrier shut the sector or site down when working in front of the antennas. In broadcast the transmitters are either shut down or the power is greatly reduced. This requires alot of work at night in the dark. FYI -B- Steven G McGehee wrote: Hi all, I was curious if you guys used EMR suits (i.e., suits made with Nomex or similar material). If so, under what circumstances, and if not, why not? :-) Basically I'm just wanting to get an idea on people's thoughts on how important these suits are to wear and when, and any other thoughts on the matter. Whether it be around cellular equipment, AM/FM/XM stations, etc. Thanks in advance. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] 11Ghz BH comparison-
I agree with Randy, definitely some quirks in the firmware, although I've been told by them that v1.23 is in the works. In terms of actual performance, assuming a solid deployment, etc., the Apexes work great. We have several DW in 11Ghz as well, which in comparison have given us zero problem. But, the Apexes are a lot cheaper and if they didn't have a quirky firmware and some hardware design issues, I'd come extremely close to considering them as solid as a Dragonwave. ..and by hardware design issues, I just really disliked the placement of the ports. If you're running direct power or using fiber, the ports are a real pain to get to. They're covered up by the same grommet/weathering as the Atlas/T-Link45 bridges, but the spacing is /really/ tight to try to get anything larger than a 16 awg power cable in, much less that and fiber. It uses the same type of molex power-plug that the Bridgewaves do, but it's much harder to get plugged in. Additionally, the Data and Management (copper) ports are at a 90 degree angle to one another on the actual unit, so one faces down, and the other faces left or right, depending on how you have it attached to the antenna. How you rotate the Apex determines its polarity (like a BW, etc), but due to the hardware design and having a port facing left or right, this means that it's impossible to plug into said port when you're mounting it in such a way that this port faces your mast, because the weathering piece (same type as the DWs come with) is too large. Dragonwave did it right by having both ports next to one another and on a plane of the unit that is free and clear of obstruction. Hope that helps -- bottomline, these work great but they still do need some important firmware tweaks and can be a pain during install. If you can get by with that, give them a serious look. Overall, we've been happy with our 4 pairs. Thanks. Randy Cosby wrote: The one I have up works fine. There are quirks in the firmware, but no show-stoppers. Inband management is still a work in progress. Don't particularly care for the fiber port cover design, but if you're using copper, it's fine (unless you use extra-large / heavy ethernet that may not fit). Randy On 2/11/2010 4:28 PM, Luke Pack wrote: We have quite a few Dragon wave 11Ghz links deployed right now. We are looking at another path of 11Ghz now and have come across the apex system by Trango. We use the Trangolink45s on many links off the licensed path currently. I'm looking for people's real-world experience with the Trango Apex system (since they are relatively new) and a contrast of this system to the Horizon Compacts from Dragonwave. I know their implementation is similar to that of the horizon units however, what seems to be the Apex failure rate, software features, hitless adaptive modulation success, etc. Thanks all! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Redline AN80i PMP firmware question
Hello, Was curious if anyone here uses Redline AN80i hardware, and if so, if you had upgraded to the new firmware version that came out late December. Specifically, I'm referring to version RL80PMPZ__1200_46.zip. We've been having several miscellaneous, bad firmware problems with a sector running v11.2x and plan on upgrading. Does anyone have any experience with this firmware version? Any idTable issues? DFS problems? Any and all input on the matter is appreciated. Thanks in advance. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Short range backhaul
Bridgewave is a good pick for that type of shot, we have a few 60 and 80GHz links setup at short range. I don't know what they go for these days, but they were expensive a few years ago. They're also tough to align at distance, but for such a short short, you should be safe from rain fade and alignment ought not take very long. Good luck! Josh Luthman wrote: What's the price on bridgewave? It will do gigabit. On 1/30/10, Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com wrote: I have a pop across the street from one of my towers. The phone company there is giving me a great deal on bandwidth but I have to get it across to the tower. Any recommendations for something reliable at that range. Sent from my iPhone WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Spectrum Analyzer Recommendation?
Hi all, Was wondering if any of you have owned or used a spectrum analyzer for common WISP frequencies like 3.3-3.8Ghz, 5Ghz, as well as 11, 18, 23, and 24Ghz. I'm primarily interested in 3.3-3.8Ghz and the complete 5Ghz range. Something that could analyze as low as 900Mhz and as high as the 60-80Ghz would be nice too, but not as important. I've tinkered with a Bumblebee device before in 5Ghz, but wondered what analyzers you folks would recommend. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks! -Steven WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
