Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality & bandwidth providers
I talked to a reporter on Net Neutrality yesterday, and this is one of the things I highlighted, as a scenario in which an ISP could help customers after Title II no longer applied. Like, "I know your Internet stinks right now; it's your XBox updates and your Windows updates, and that's the reason you can't stream Netflix. I can't manage traffic priorities during peak hours for you." I had a customer call for support because their PS4 was uploading and saturating their upstream. We ended the call with all electronics in his house in a pile in the living room to prove that it was one of his devices and not my service. tim -- Tim Cailloux t...@southern-internet.com (404) 406-9911 On Fri, Dec 15, 2017, at 12:55, Vance Shipley wrote: > Good story. This is the stuff that people don't understand. Policy > enforcement is good for everyone, including the enforcee! Net > neutrality, as imagined by it's staunch supporters, is a really bad > idea. They imagine it's about "big corporate" stifling competition and > innovation but the very real everyday impact of real "neutrality" > would be normal people suffering poor service so the geeky few could > pay less for their consumption and no back pressure on abuse.> > > On Dec 15, 2017 21:34, "Kris McElroy" > <kmcel...@threesixtycomm.net> wrote:>> I would agree with Adair, Torrent is a > non-issue for us. We have >> seen more complaints from Windows Update and Xbox Live Updates >> impacting customers connections, meaning they call in and say “I am >> paying for 20 Meg service and when I run a speed test I am only >> seeing 2 Meg Down or wny is my Netflix buffering”. We go and look >> and they will have a windows update running in the background taking >> 18-19 Meg of their connection up and you have to explain that to >> them, same way with Xbox accept all our gamers have our 50 Meg plan >> and it will chew up 30 to 40 Meg downloading an update or game. >> Luckily, we can manage this with our Procera now so we don’t hear >> from customers as much.>> __ __ >> Kris McElroy >> __ __ >> __ __ >> __ __ >> *From: *<wireless-boun...@wispa.org> on behalf of Mike Hammett >> <wispawireless@ics- >> il.net> *Reply-To: *WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org> *Date: >> *Friday, December 15, 2017 at 9:51 AM *To: *WISPA General List >> <wireless@wispa.org> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality & >> bandwidth providers>> __ __ >> Fair how? >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions[1] mage removed by >> sender.mage removed by sender.mage removed by sender.mage removed by >> sender. Midwest Internet Exchange[2] mage removed by sender.mage >> removed by sender.mage removed by sender. The Brothers WISP[3] mage >> removed by sender.mage removed by sender.>> >> *From: *"Vance Shipley" <van...@sigscale.com> *To: *"WISPA General >> List" <wireless@wispa.org> *Sent: *Friday, December 15, 2017 9:43:31 >> AM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality & bandwidth providers>> Because >> it's the fair thing to do. As a neighbour I would greatly >> appreciate it.>> __ __ >> On Dec 15, 2017 21:05, "Mike Hammett" <wispawirel...@ics-il.net> >> wrote:>>> Why? >>> >>> >>> - >>> Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions[4] mage removed by >>> sender.mage removed by sender.mage removed by sender.mage removed >>> by sender. Midwest Internet Exchange[5] mage removed by sender.mage >>> removed by sender.mage removed by sender. The Brothers WISP[6] mage >>> removed by sender.mage removed by sender.>>> >>> *From: *"Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net> *To: *"WISPA General >>> List" <wireless@wispa.org> *Sent: *Wednesday, December 13, 2017 >>> 11:04:43 AM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality & bandwidth >>> providers >>> >>> I want to be able to throttle torrent users. Beyond that, I don't >>> think it will affect us much in areas of high-competition. >>> >>> Rory >>> >>> -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org >>> [mailto:wireless- >>> boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen Sent: Tuesday, >>> December 12, 2017 6:57 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: >>> [WISPA] Net neutrality & bandwidth providers >>> >>> On 12/10/17 2:44 PM, Chadwick Wachs wrote: >>> > What are the
Re: [WISPA] New NEC rule it may hurt WISPs
What's the differentiation for CATV? Are they assuming it's analog? There are very few 100% analog CATV systems left, and they're going away. So, even they'll have a Set-Top Box connected to coax and AC power at the same time. Then what's the distinction between that and having the analog CATV connected to my TV instead of the STB? What's the line that distinguishes CATV from what we do? If it's power sent up the cable, then that impacts any satellite provider. So, Dish/AT/Comcast/Cox/Charter are going to have all their installers certified become electricians? It's what the state inspector says, but... If that's their interpretation, I expect their lobbying to kick into full force to get the rules changed. tim -- Tim Cailloux t...@southern-internet.com (404) 406-9911 On Fri, May 12, 2017, at 13:32, Mitch wrote: > Just got off the phone with our local State Inspector > His take is if the device is outside and NOT getting power > from inside the property it is located at then it is exempt (such as> telco > and CATV). > If the outdoor device gets power from inside the property > then it is NOT exempt. > This is how I read it > Mitch > > > > On 05/12/2017 11:16 AM, garrettshan...@vabb.com wrote: >> >> Considering V.A. doesn't have a separate certification for low >> voltage, I certainly hope we're excluded. It would be difficult to >> get all of our technicians though a 3 year apprenticeship as required >> by law for a full certification.>> >> >> >> -Original Message- From: "Matt Hoppes" >> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 >> 12:10pm To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Subject: Re: >> [WISPA] New NEC rule it may hurt WISPs>> Ummm. We are exclusively excluded. >> You even highlighted it. >> >> On May 12, 2017, at 11:50 AM, Mitch >> <mi...@abetterwireless.com> wrote:>>> Looks like all installers will have to >> be licensed Electricians for >>> everything and anything that connects to a power source Am I >>> reading wrong? >>> >>>>>> NFPA 70: DOCUMENT SCOPE >>> >>> 90.2 Scope. >>> (A) Covered. This Code covers the installation and removal of >>> electrical conductors, equipment, and raceways; signaling and >>> communications conductors, equipment, and raceways; and optical >>> fiber cables and raceways for the following:>>> (1) Public and private >>> premises, including buildings, structures, >>> mobile homes, recreational vehicles, and floating buildings>>> (2) >>> Yards, lots, parking lots, carnivals, and industrial substations>>> (3) >>> Installations of conductors and equipment that connect to the >>> supply of electricity>>> (4) Installations used by the electric >>> utility, such as office >>> buildings, warehouses, garages, machine shops, and recreational >>> buildings, that are not an integral part of a generating plant, >>> substation, or control center>>> *(B) Not Covered. This Code does not >>> cover the following:* >>> (1) Installations in ships, watercraft other than floating >>> buildings, railway rolling stock, aircraft, or automotive >>> vehicles other than mobile homes and recreational vehicles>>> >>> Informational Note: Although the scope of this Code indicates that >>> the Code does not cover installations in ships, portions of this >>> Code are incorporated by reference into Title 46, Code of>>> Federal >>> Regulations, Parts 110–113. >>> (2) Installations underground in mines and self-propelled mobile >>> surface mining machinery and its attendant electrical trailing >>> cable>>> (3) Installations of railways for generation, transformation, >>> transmission, energy storage, or distribution of power used >>> exclusively for operation of rolling stock or installations used >>> exclusively for signaling and communications purposes>>> *(4) >>> Installations of communications equipment under the exclusive >>> control of communications utilities located outdoors or in building >>> spaces used exclusively for such installations*>>> (5) Installations under >>> the exclusive control of an electric utility >>> where such installations>>> a. Consist of service drops or service >>> laterals, and associated >>>metering, or>>> b. Are on property owned or leased by the electri
Re: [WISPA] Query to the group
I thought Apple pretty well pissed on this concept of user tracking (at least with iPhone users) by psuedo-randomizing the MAC when scanning for WiFi networks? I never paid enough attention to how well it worked, but I saw it as a pretty big anti-tracking feature. (Not sure about Android. I never had an Android phone I liked. They exist, I'm sure, but I had bad luck.) tim -- Tim Cailloux t...@southern-internet.com (404) 406-9911 On Thu, May 11, 2017, at 17:19, Nick Bright wrote: > It's a widely used strategy in hotspot markets and large retail > chains to track movement within facilities. Since the data is all > anonymized, there's not any serious privacy issues; but the potential > for abuse is there.> > We do utilize a similar system in one of our wifi projects, to > provide the city with analytic data on their down town area; it > provides them with information that helps with chamber of commerce > initiatives, public safety planning, and festival analytic data. > When used responsibly, this anonymized data does not pose any > privacy risk.> > However, I do have say that the domain that original email was sent > from does seem dubious - it goes to a link farm landing page. It > makes me wonder "Who is really asking, and what is their real > motivation?"> > On 5/11/2017 2:11 PM, garrettshan...@vabb.com wrote: >> >> Jokes aside: >> >> >> That sounds too "gray area" for my liking personally. While it's >> all "technically" legal but still pushes some ethical issues with >> potential collection of MAC addresses from unwitting parties.>> >> Not that Lowe's and Target have any trouble with similar techniques.>> >> >> -Original Message- From: "Jan-OOLLC" >> <j.vank...@oregononline.net> Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 2:48pm To: >> wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Query to the group>> Maybe he owns >> a donut store? >> Jan V >> On 05/11/2017 05:53 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: >> >>> "FBI Surveilance [sic] Van 7"? >>> >>> ;-) >>> >>> >>> >>> - >>> Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions[1] >>> >>> Midwest Internet Exchange[2] >>> >>> The Brothers WISP[3]>>> >>> *From: *"Chris Stradtman" <cstradt...@greenpointcommunications.com> >>> *To: *"WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> *Sent: *Thursday, >>> May 11, 2017 1:04:41 AM *Subject: *[WISPA] Query to the group >>>>>> Hi Everyone, >>> I'm looking to this group to feel out the feasibility of an idea. >>> I'm working with a project that is looking at doing a sort of >>> "analytics". One of the possible things this would involve would>>> be >>> paying WISPs to collect data on a particular SSID (this SSID >>> would be controlled by the project I'm working with, so this isn't >>> going into>>> any gray privacy grounds). The group would want to get the >>> content >>> of the beacons seen with this particular SSID(s). It could either >>> be done through>>> vendor equipment that would support it, or it could be >>> done via a >>> passive probe colocated with the WISP's gear.>>> I thought I would float >>> this idea out to the group to see how it is >>> received.>>> Thanks in advance, >>> Chris Stradtman >>> >>> ___ >>> Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless>>> >>> >>> ___ Wireless mailing >>> list Wireless@wispa.org >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless>> >> >> ___ Wireless mailing list >> Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> > > -- --- - Nick Bright > - - Vice President of Technology - - Valnet -=- We > Connect You -=- - - Tel 888-332-1616 x 315 / Fax 620-331- > 0789 - - Web http://www.valnet.net/ - > --- > - Are your files safe?- - Valnet Vault - > Secure Cloud Backup - - More information & 30 day free trial > at - - http://www.valnet.net/services/valnet-vault - > --- > This email message and
