What's the differentiation for CATV? Are they assuming it's analog? There are very few 100% analog CATV systems left, and they're going away. So, even they'll have a Set-Top Box connected to coax and AC power at the same time. Then what's the distinction between that and having the analog CATV connected to my TV instead of the STB? What's the line that distinguishes CATV from what we do? If it's power sent up the cable, then that impacts any satellite provider. So, Dish/AT&T/Comcast/Cox/Charter are going to have all their installers certified become electricians? It's what the state inspector says, but... If that's their interpretation, I expect their lobbying to kick into full force to get the rules changed. tim -- Tim Cailloux t...@southern-internet.com (404) 406-9911
On Fri, May 12, 2017, at 13:32, Mitch wrote: > Just got off the phone with our local State Inspector > His take is if the device is outside and NOT getting power > from inside the property it is located at then it is exempt (such as> telco > and CATV). > If the outdoor device gets power from inside the property > then it is NOT exempt. > This is how I read it > Mitch > > > > On 05/12/2017 11:16 AM, garrettshan...@vabb.com wrote: >> >> Considering V.A. doesn't have a separate certification for low >> voltage, I certainly hope we're excluded. It would be difficult to >> get all of our technicians though a 3 year apprenticeship as required >> by law for a full certification.>> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- From: "Matt Hoppes" >> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 >> 12:10pm To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Subject: Re: >> [WISPA] New NEC rule it may hurt WISPs>> Ummm. We are exclusively excluded. >> You even highlighted it. >> >> On May 12, 2017, at 11:50 AM, Mitch >> <mi...@abetterwireless.com> wrote:>>> Looks like all installers will have to >> be licensed Electricians for >>> everything and anything that connects to a power source???? Am I >>> reading wrong? >>> >>>>>> NFPA 70: DOCUMENT SCOPE >>> >>> 90.2 Scope. >>> (A) Covered. This Code covers the installation and removal of >>> electrical conductors, equipment, and raceways; signaling and >>> communications conductors, equipment, and raceways; and optical >>> fiber cables and raceways for the following:>>> (1) Public and private >>> premises, including buildings, structures, >>> mobile homes, recreational vehicles, and floating buildings>>> (2) >>> Yards, lots, parking lots, carnivals, and industrial substations>>> (3) >>> Installations of conductors and equipment that connect to the >>> supply of electricity>>> (4) Installations used by the electric >>> utility, such as office >>> buildings, warehouses, garages, machine shops, and recreational >>> buildings, that are not an integral part of a generating plant, >>> substation, or control center>>> *(B) Not Covered. This Code does not >>> cover the following:* >>> (1) Installations in ships, watercraft other than floating >>> buildings, railway rolling stock, aircraft, or automotive >>> vehicles other than mobile homes and recreational vehicles>>> >>> Informational Note: Although the scope of this Code indicates that >>> the Code does not cover installations in ships, portions of this >>> Code are incorporated by reference into Title 46, Code of>>> Federal >>> Regulations, Parts 110–113. >>> (2) Installations underground in mines and self-propelled mobile >>> surface mining machinery and its attendant electrical trailing >>> cable>>> (3) Installations of railways for generation, transformation, >>> transmission, energy storage, or distribution of power used >>> exclusively for operation of rolling stock or installations used >>> exclusively for signaling and communications purposes>>> *(4) >>> Installations of communications equipment under the exclusive >>> control of communications utilities located outdoors or in building >>> spaces used exclusively for such installations*>>> (5) Installations under >>> the exclusive control of an electric utility >>> where such installations>>> a. Consist of service drops or service >>> laterals, and associated >>> metering, or>>> b. Are on property owned or leased by the electric >>> utility for the >>> purpose of communications, metering, generation, control, >>> transformation, transmission, energy storage, or distribution of >>> electric energy, or>>> c. Are located in legally established easements >>> or rights-of-way, or>>> d. Are located by other written agreements either >>> designated by or >>> recognized by public service commissions, utility commissions, or >>> other regulatory agencies having jurisdiction for such >>> installations. These written agreements shall be limited to >>> installations for the purpose of communications, metering, >>> generation, control, transformation, transmission, energy >>> storage, or distribution of electric energy where legally >>> established easements or rights-of-way cannot be obtained. These >>> installations shall be limited to federal lands, Native American >>> reservations through the U.S. Department of the Interior Bureau >>> of Indian Affairs, military bases, lands controlled by port >>> authorities and state agencies and departments, and lands owned >>> by railroads.>>> *Informational Note to (4) and (5): Examples of >>> utilities may >>> include those entities that are typically designated or recognized >>> by governmental law or regulation by public service/utility >>> commissions and that install, operate, and maintain electric supply >>> (such as generation, transmission, or distribution systems) or >>> communications systems (such as telephone, CATV,*>>> *_Internet, satellite, >>> or data services_). Utilities may be subject >>> to compliance with codes and standards covering their regulated >>> activities as adopted under governmental law or regulation.*>>> Additional >>> information can be found through consultation with the >>> appropriate governmental bodies, such as state regulatory >>> commissions, the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission, and the >>> Federal Communications Commission.>>> (C) Special Permission. The authority >>> having jurisdiction for >>> enforcing this Code may grant exception for the installation of >>> conductors and equipment that are not under the exclusive >>> control of the electric utilities and are used to connect the >>> electric utility supply system to the service conductors of the >>> premises served, provided such installations are outside a >>> building or structure, or terminate inside at a readily >>> accessible location nearest the point of entrance of the service >>> conductors.>>> >>> -- Mitch Koep A Better Wireless 218-851-8689 cell >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless>> >> >> _______________________________________________ Wireless mailing list >> Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> > -- Mitch Koep A Better Wireless 218-851-8689 cell > _________________________________________________ > Wireless mailing list > Wireless@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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