Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Ghz
As an aside, even for public safety users, a PtP link under the 4.9 GHz rules is only temporary and/or secondary to any multipoint use. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 11:37 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Ghz Only state, county and municipal entities can be a 4.9 GHz license holder. Non-governmental public safety organizations can use the spectrum under the umbrella of a license holder. For example a private ambulance service can request the use of 4.9 GHz from a county sheriff's department who is a license holder. There is NO provision for the use of 4.9 GHz outside of public safety. A private, non public safety company cannot use the spectrum in any way even if they are providing service to a government public safety agency. Best Regards Mark W. Crabtree Director of Sales Direct Line (858) 642-2727 Main Line (858) 450-1220 ext 3027 Blackberry (858) 334-8358 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blake Bowers Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 11:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 4.9 Ghz I have been asked by some folks in an adjoining state how they would find out if a group is using 4.9 for their for-profit backbone, while they provide space for public safety on the 4.9 system also. Any ideas? Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Ghz
Is the 4.9 link a dedicated BH from one of the towers terminating at the City agency? If so then it's legit. If it's a link from one tower to another that feeds a switch which feeds the City Agency AND any other commercial traffic then it's not legit. Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blake Bowers Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 11:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Ghz I really guess I did not make myself clear enough. I - and the people asking - totally understand that they cannot use the 4.9 for anything other than public safety. They were given the equipment for some PTP links in exchange for providing the company free space on their towers. The company provided the equipment, set it up, and is maintaining it. The concern is - how does this technically unknowledgable public safety group ensure that only their traffic is going out over the 4.9 system. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Mark mcrabt...@solectek.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 1:36 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Ghz Only state, county and municipal entities can be a 4.9 GHz license holder. Non-governmental public safety organizations can use the spectrum under the umbrella of a license holder. For example a private ambulance service can request the use of 4.9 GHz from a county sheriff's department who is a license holder. There is NO provision for the use of 4.9 GHz outside of public safety. A private, non public safety company cannot use the spectrum in any way even if they are providing service to a government public safety agency. Best Regards Mark W. Crabtree Director of Sales Direct Line (858) 642-2727 Main Line (858) 450-1220 ext 3027 Blackberry (858) 334-8358 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blake Bowers Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 11:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 4.9 Ghz I have been asked by some folks in an adjoining state how they would find out if a group is using 4.9 for their for-profit backbone, while they provide space for public safety on the 4.9 system also. Any ideas? Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Ghz
I give up. Thanks to all that responded. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Ghz Is the 4.9 link a dedicated BH from one of the towers terminating at the City agency? If so then it's legit. If it's a link from one tower to another that feeds a switch which feeds the City Agency AND any other commercial traffic then it's not legit. Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blake Bowers Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 11:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Ghz I really guess I did not make myself clear enough. I - and the people asking - totally understand that they cannot use the 4.9 for anything other than public safety. They were given the equipment for some PTP links in exchange for providing the company free space on their towers. The company provided the equipment, set it up, and is maintaining it. The concern is - how does this technically unknowledgable public safety group ensure that only their traffic is going out over the 4.9 system. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Mark mcrabt...@solectek.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 1:36 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Ghz Only state, county and municipal entities can be a 4.9 GHz license holder. Non-governmental public safety organizations can use the spectrum under the umbrella of a license holder. For example a private ambulance service can request the use of 4.9 GHz from a county sheriff's department who is a license holder. There is NO provision for the use of 4.9 GHz outside of public safety. A private, non public safety company cannot use the spectrum in any way even if they are providing service to a government public safety agency. Best Regards Mark W. Crabtree Director of Sales Direct Line (858) 642-2727 Main Line (858) 450-1220 ext 3027 Blackberry (858) 334-8358 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blake Bowers Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 11:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 4.9 Ghz I have been asked by some folks in an adjoining state how they would find out if a group is using 4.9 for their for-profit backbone, while they provide space for public safety on the 4.9 system also. Any ideas? Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Ghz
Can you somehow tap the ethernet and watch the traffic - like with a mikrotik bridge inline? Randy Blake Bowers wrote: I give up. Thanks to all that responded. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Ghz Is the 4.9 link a dedicated BH from one of the towers terminating at the City agency? If so then it's legit. If it's a link from one tower to another that feeds a switch which feeds the City Agency AND any other commercial traffic then it's not legit. Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blake Bowers Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 11:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Ghz I really guess I did not make myself clear enough. I - and the people asking - totally understand that they cannot use the 4.9 for anything other than public safety. They were given the equipment for some PTP links in exchange for providing the company free space on their towers. The company provided the equipment, set it up, and is maintaining it. The concern is - how does this technically unknowledgable public safety group ensure that only their traffic is going out over the 4.9 system. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Mark mcrabt...@solectek.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 1:36 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Ghz Only state, county and municipal entities can be a 4.9 GHz license holder. Non-governmental public safety organizations can use the spectrum under the umbrella of a license holder. For example a private ambulance service can request the use of 4.9 GHz from a county sheriff's department who is a license holder. There is NO provision for the use of 4.9 GHz outside of public safety. A private, non public safety company cannot use the spectrum in any way even if they are providing service to a government public safety agency. Best Regards Mark W. Crabtree Director of Sales Direct Line (858) 642-2727 Main Line (858) 450-1220 ext 3027 Blackberry (858) 334-8358 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blake Bowers Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 11:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 4.9 Ghz I have been asked by some folks in an adjoining state how they would find out if a group is using 4.9 for their for-profit backbone, while they provide space for public safety on the 4.9 system also. Any ideas? Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Ghz
Aren't you glad you asked? :-) -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 11:44:08 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Ghz That is exactly correct. Turns out, the situation may have rectified itself. Thanks all. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 10:22 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Ghz If I understand it correctly, it's all the same system and the public safety agency wants to ensure that only eligible data is routed over that spectrum? If they aren't cooperative, you can't without at minimum a visual inspection to discover the absence of any other possibility. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 1:44 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Ghz I really guess I did not make myself clear enough. I - and the people asking - totally understand that they cannot use the 4.9 for anything other than public safety. They were given the equipment for some PTP links in exchange for providing the company free space on their towers. The company provided the equipment, set it up, and is maintaining it. The concern is - how does this technically unknowledgable public safety group ensure that only their traffic is going out over the 4.9 system. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Mark mcrabt...@solectek.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 1:36 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Ghz Only state, county and municipal entities can be a 4.9 GHz license holder. Non-governmental public safety organizations can use the spectrum under the umbrella of a license holder. For example a private ambulance service can request the use of 4.9 GHz from a county sheriff's department who is a license holder. There is NO provision for the use of 4.9 GHz outside of public safety. A private, non public safety company cannot use the spectrum in any way even if they are providing service to a government public safety agency. Best Regards Mark W. Crabtree Director of Sales Direct Line (858) 642-2727 Main Line (858) 450-1220 ext 3027 Blackberry (858) 334-8358 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blake Bowers Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 11:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 4.9 Ghz I have been asked by some folks in an adjoining state how they would find out if a group is using 4.9 for their for-profit backbone, while they provide space for public safety on the 4.9 system also. Any ideas? Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http
Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Ghz
Insofar as the problem, yes, it being remedied is a direct result of the posting. Insofar as the damage to my head from beating it on my desk? Ouch Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: lakel...@gbcx.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Ghz Aren't you glad you asked? :-) a.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Ghz
Sorry if I was being obtuse. Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications Sent Mobile (Probably one handed) From: Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 10:57 AM To: lakel...@gbcx.net lakel...@gbcx.net; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Ghz Insofar as the problem, yes, it being remedied is a direct result of the posting. Insofar as the damage to my head from beating it on my desk? Ouch Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: lakel...@gbcx.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Ghz Aren't you glad you asked? :-) a.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] 4.9 Ghz
I have been asked by some folks in an adjoining state how they would find out if a group is using 4.9 for their for-profit backbone, while they provide space for public safety on the 4.9 system also. Any ideas? Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Ghz
Can't. :-) Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 13:16:50 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] 4.9 Ghz I have been asked by some folks in an adjoining state how they would find out if a group is using 4.9 for their for-profit backbone, while they provide space for public safety on the 4.9 system also. Any ideas? Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Ghz
Sounds like an investigative effort. Find out where they provide commercial service and then SA the POP to see if they are only using 4.9 for backhaul. Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications Sent Mobile (Probably one handed) From: lakel...@gbcx.net lakel...@gbcx.net Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 11:19 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Ghz Can't. :-) Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 13:16:50 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] 4.9 Ghz I have been asked by some folks in an adjoining state how they would find out if a group is using 4.9 for their for-profit backbone, while they provide space for public safety on the 4.9 system also. Any ideas? Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Ghz
Only state, county and municipal entities can be a 4.9 GHz license holder. Non-governmental public safety organizations can use the spectrum under the umbrella of a license holder. For example a private ambulance service can request the use of 4.9 GHz from a county sheriff's department who is a license holder. There is NO provision for the use of 4.9 GHz outside of public safety. A private, non public safety company cannot use the spectrum in any way even if they are providing service to a government public safety agency. Best Regards Mark W. Crabtree Director of Sales Direct Line (858) 642-2727 Main Line (858) 450-1220 ext 3027 Blackberry (858) 334-8358 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blake Bowers Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 11:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 4.9 Ghz I have been asked by some folks in an adjoining state how they would find out if a group is using 4.9 for their for-profit backbone, while they provide space for public safety on the 4.9 system also. Any ideas? Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Ghz
I realize they can't - but the public safety group thinks that they are. The public safety group is only a user - they gave them tower space in exchange for a couple of PTP links on 4.9, but the public safety group is concerned. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: lakel...@gbcx.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 1:18 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Ghz Can't. :-) Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 13:16:50 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] 4.9 Ghz I have been asked by some folks in an adjoining state how they would find out if a group is using 4.9 for their for-profit backbone, while they provide space for public safety on the 4.9 system also. Any ideas? Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Ghz
Thats what I figured, not an easy way, just document the sites and see what they are using for the links. Thanks Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com To: lakel...@gbcx.net; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 1:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Ghz Sounds like an investigative effort. Find out where they provide commercial service and then SA the POP to see if they are only using 4.9 for backhaul. Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications Sent Mobile (Probably one handed) From: lakel...@gbcx.net lakel...@gbcx.net Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 11:19 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Ghz Can't. :-) Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 13:16:50 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] 4.9 Ghz I have been asked by some folks in an adjoining state how they would find out if a group is using 4.9 for their for-profit backbone, while they provide space for public safety on the 4.9 system also. Any ideas? Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Ghz
I think we all know that. The question is how to find out if someone is using that spectrum illegally. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 1:37 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Ghz Only state, county and municipal entities can be a 4.9 GHz license holder. Non-governmental public safety organizations can use the spectrum under the umbrella of a license holder. For example a private ambulance service can request the use of 4.9 GHz from a county sheriff's department who is a license holder. There is NO provision for the use of 4.9 GHz outside of public safety. A private, non public safety company cannot use the spectrum in any way even if they are providing service to a government public safety agency. Best Regards Mark W. Crabtree Director of Sales Direct Line (858) 642-2727 Main Line (858) 450-1220 ext 3027 Blackberry (858) 334-8358 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blake Bowers Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 11:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 4.9 Ghz I have been asked by some folks in an adjoining state how they would find out if a group is using 4.9 for their for-profit backbone, while they provide space for public safety on the 4.9 system also. Any ideas? Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Ghz
I really guess I did not make myself clear enough. I - and the people asking - totally understand that they cannot use the 4.9 for anything other than public safety. They were given the equipment for some PTP links in exchange for providing the company free space on their towers. The company provided the equipment, set it up, and is maintaining it. The concern is - how does this technically unknowledgable public safety group ensure that only their traffic is going out over the 4.9 system. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Mark mcrabt...@solectek.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 1:36 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Ghz Only state, county and municipal entities can be a 4.9 GHz license holder. Non-governmental public safety organizations can use the spectrum under the umbrella of a license holder. For example a private ambulance service can request the use of 4.9 GHz from a county sheriff's department who is a license holder. There is NO provision for the use of 4.9 GHz outside of public safety. A private, non public safety company cannot use the spectrum in any way even if they are providing service to a government public safety agency. Best Regards Mark W. Crabtree Director of Sales Direct Line (858) 642-2727 Main Line (858) 450-1220 ext 3027 Blackberry (858) 334-8358 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blake Bowers Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 11:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 4.9 Ghz I have been asked by some folks in an adjoining state how they would find out if a group is using 4.9 for their for-profit backbone, while they provide space for public safety on the 4.9 system also. Any ideas? Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Ghz
Blake, As Jerry suggests - investigate! Who is the system licensee? It should be a public safety agency or critical infrastructure provider. Ask their techs about the link. Follow up (if needed) with a very polite letter to the Chief of the agency requesting information and advising him of the legal uses of the link. Do your own research first so you can provide the Chief with accurate information and education. jack Jerry Richardson wrote: Sounds like an investigative effort. Find out where they provide commercial service and then SA the POP to see if they are only using 4.9 for backhaul. Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications Sent Mobile (Probably one handed) From: lakel...@gbcx.net lakel...@gbcx.net Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 11:19 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Ghz Can't. :-) Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 13:16:50 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] 4.9 Ghz I have been asked by some folks in an adjoining state how they would find out if a group is using 4.9 for their for-profit backbone, while they provide space for public safety on the 4.9 system also. Any ideas? Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com Twitter - wireless_jack WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Ghz
Also put in a call to the FCC. If they are illegally using the spectrum, the feds will most likely want to know. Jack Unger wrote: Blake, As Jerry suggests - investigate! Who is the system licensee? It should be a public safety agency or critical infrastructure provider. Ask their techs about the link. Follow up (if needed) with a very polite letter to the Chief of the agency requesting information and advising him of the legal uses of the link. Do your own research first so you can provide the Chief with accurate information and education. jack Jerry Richardson wrote: Sounds like an investigative effort. Find out where they provide commercial service and then SA the POP to see if they are only using 4.9 for backhaul. Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications Sent Mobile (Probably one handed) From: lakel...@gbcx.net lakel...@gbcx.net Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 11:19 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Ghz Can't. :-) Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 13:16:50 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] 4.9 Ghz I have been asked by some folks in an adjoining state how they would find out if a group is using 4.9 for their for-profit backbone, while they provide space for public safety on the 4.9 system also. Any ideas? Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Ghz
If you have access to the link just put a hub between the radio and switch to create a monitor port. Then use Wireshark to see what is going where. Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications Sent Mobile (Probably one handed) From: Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 11:41 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Ghz Thats what I figured, not an easy way, just document the sites and see what they are using for the links. Thanks Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com To: lakel...@gbcx.net; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 1:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Ghz Sounds like an investigative effort. Find out where they provide commercial service and then SA the POP to see if they are only using 4.9 for backhaul. Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications Sent Mobile (Probably one handed) From: lakel...@gbcx.net lakel...@gbcx.net Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 11:19 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Ghz Can't. :-) Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 13:16:50 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] 4.9 Ghz I have been asked by some folks in an adjoining state how they would find out if a group is using 4.9 for their for-profit backbone, while they provide space for public safety on the 4.9 system also. Any ideas? Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Ghz
I have no idea what the equipment is that they are using but it may be possible to turn off the equipment at the end points and then maybe, if the equipment on the tower by chance has an activity light, to see if it's passing traffic. But it's all ify. Is this company also providing the broadband access or are they using from one of the customers end points? If from the customer site, just turn off the remote sites and see if the gateway is passing traffic maybe. It's all a maybe. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blake Bowers Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 2:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Ghz I really guess I did not make myself clear enough. I - and the people asking - totally understand that they cannot use the 4.9 for anything other than public safety. They were given the equipment for some PTP links in exchange for providing the company free space on their towers. The company provided the equipment, set it up, and is maintaining it. The concern is - how does this technically unknowledgable public safety group ensure that only their traffic is going out over the 4.9 system. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Mark mcrabt...@solectek.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 1:36 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Ghz Only state, county and municipal entities can be a 4.9 GHz license holder. Non-governmental public safety organizations can use the spectrum under the umbrella of a license holder. For example a private ambulance service can request the use of 4.9 GHz from a county sheriff's department who is a license holder. There is NO provision for the use of 4.9 GHz outside of public safety. A private, non public safety company cannot use the spectrum in any way even if they are providing service to a government public safety agency. Best Regards Mark W. Crabtree Director of Sales Direct Line (858) 642-2727 Main Line (858) 450-1220 ext 3027 Blackberry (858) 334-8358 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blake Bowers Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 11:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 4.9 Ghz I have been asked by some folks in an adjoining state how they would find out if a group is using 4.9 for their for-profit backbone, while they provide space for public safety on the 4.9 system also. Any ideas? Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Ghz
To manage it themselves. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 2:44 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Ghz I really guess I did not make myself clear enough. I - and the people asking - totally understand that they cannot use the 4.9 for anything other than public safety. They were given the equipment for some PTP links in exchange for providing the company free space on their towers. The company provided the equipment, set it up, and is maintaining it. The concern is - how does this technically unknowledgable public safety group ensure that only their traffic is going out over the 4.9 system. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Mark mcrabt...@solectek.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 1:36 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Ghz Only state, county and municipal entities can be a 4.9 GHz license holder. Non-governmental public safety organizations can use the spectrum under the umbrella of a license holder. For example a private ambulance service can request the use of 4.9 GHz from a county sheriff's department who is a license holder. There is NO provision for the use of 4.9 GHz outside of public safety. A private, non public safety company cannot use the spectrum in any way even if they are providing service to a government public safety agency. Best Regards Mark W. Crabtree Director of Sales Direct Line (858) 642-2727 Main Line (858) 450-1220 ext 3027 Blackberry (858) 334-8358 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blake Bowers Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 11:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 4.9 Ghz I have been asked by some folks in an adjoining state how they would find out if a group is using 4.9 for their for-profit backbone, while they provide space for public safety on the 4.9 system also. Any ideas? Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
