Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Grids
Looks like metal, but it is just plastic painted silver. A feed encased in metal would not work. Phil Curnutt wrote: The 5.8's have a metal horn, not plastic. The 2.4's are plastic. Phil On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 3:31 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Probably so. The pac feed horn is fairly flimsy. I'm always afraid to put too much force on them due to the plastic seam along the side looking like it's not exactly sealed much. I always imagine the thing coming apart in my hand whenever I put the small metal deflector on the end. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 5:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Grids Not just the icing. In the last month I have replaced 2 PW 5.8 grids (29db) with 2' dishes. When the grids were installed we got signals of around -72. When we took them down, we were getting -80. The dishes are getting -69. This was 2 links, changing just one end. We had a similar problem last January. Best I can figure is the feedhorn gets water in it somehow over time. Robert West wrote: Oh, thanks! I put up a bunch of those el cheapo 5.8 pac grids this summer. Now I have all this to look forward to. Sigh :) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 3:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Grids I should note my bad experience has always been with 5.8 grids, too. Never 900 and we put up our first monster Pac 2.4 grid recently. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 2:39 PM, jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com wrote: We've noticed 5.8 grids are far more affected by icing than 2.4 or 900. Ice buildup isn't different, just attenuation is. We stick to solid dishes or flat panels for 5.8. On Tue, Dec 08, 2009 at 11:05:01AM -0500, Michael Baird wrote: I've been testing a few 5.8 grids for some p2p applications we are developing. I had some Pac Wireless 26db's from old stock, I brought in some Poynting 31's for testing, the Poynting's actually do worse then then Pac Wireless which was rated 5 db less. I'm looking for other Grids I should be looking at (reasonably priced)? From our experiences with 2.4 the Grid vendor seems to make a difference. Regards Michael Baird WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Grids
Fooled me. Phil On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 10:05 AM, ccrum cc...@dot11net.com wrote: Looks like metal, but it is just plastic painted silver. A feed encased in metal would not work. Phil Curnutt wrote: The 5.8's have a metal horn, not plastic. The 2.4's are plastic. Phil On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 3:31 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Probably so. The pac feed horn is fairly flimsy. I'm always afraid to put too much force on them due to the plastic seam along the side looking like it's not exactly sealed much. I always imagine the thing coming apart in my hand whenever I put the small metal deflector on the end. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 5:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Grids Not just the icing. In the last month I have replaced 2 PW 5.8 grids (29db) with 2' dishes. When the grids were installed we got signals of around -72. When we took them down, we were getting -80. The dishes are getting -69. This was 2 links, changing just one end. We had a similar problem last January. Best I can figure is the feedhorn gets water in it somehow over time. Robert West wrote: Oh, thanks! I put up a bunch of those el cheapo 5.8 pac grids this summer. Now I have all this to look forward to. Sigh :) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 3:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Grids I should note my bad experience has always been with 5.8 grids, too. Never 900 and we put up our first monster Pac 2.4 grid recently. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 2:39 PM, jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com wrote: We've noticed 5.8 grids are far more affected by icing than 2.4 or 900. Ice buildup isn't different, just attenuation is. We stick to solid dishes or flat panels for 5.8. On Tue, Dec 08, 2009 at 11:05:01AM -0500, Michael Baird wrote: I've been testing a few 5.8 grids for some p2p applications we are developing. I had some Pac Wireless 26db's from old stock, I brought in some Poynting 31's for testing, the Poynting's actually do worse then then Pac Wireless which was rated 5 db less. I'm looking for other Grids I should be looking at (reasonably priced)? From our experiences with 2.4 the Grid vendor seems to make a difference. Regards Michael Baird WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA
Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Grids
Me too! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Phil Curnutt Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 9:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Grids Fooled me. Phil On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 10:05 AM, ccrum cc...@dot11net.com wrote: Looks like metal, but it is just plastic painted silver. A feed encased in metal would not work. Phil Curnutt wrote: The 5.8's have a metal horn, not plastic. The 2.4's are plastic. Phil On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 3:31 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Probably so. The pac feed horn is fairly flimsy. I'm always afraid to put too much force on them due to the plastic seam along the side looking like it's not exactly sealed much. I always imagine the thing coming apart in my hand whenever I put the small metal deflector on the end. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 5:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Grids Not just the icing. In the last month I have replaced 2 PW 5.8 grids (29db) with 2' dishes. When the grids were installed we got signals of around -72. When we took them down, we were getting -80. The dishes are getting -69. This was 2 links, changing just one end. We had a similar problem last January. Best I can figure is the feedhorn gets water in it somehow over time. Robert West wrote: Oh, thanks! I put up a bunch of those el cheapo 5.8 pac grids this summer. Now I have all this to look forward to. Sigh :) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 3:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Grids I should note my bad experience has always been with 5.8 grids, too. Never 900 and we put up our first monster Pac 2.4 grid recently. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 2:39 PM, jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com wrote: We've noticed 5.8 grids are far more affected by icing than 2.4 or 900. Ice buildup isn't different, just attenuation is. We stick to solid dishes or flat panels for 5.8. On Tue, Dec 08, 2009 at 11:05:01AM -0500, Michael Baird wrote: I've been testing a few 5.8 grids for some p2p applications we are developing. I had some Pac Wireless 26db's from old stock, I brought in some Poynting 31's for testing, the Poynting's actually do worse then then Pac Wireless which was rated 5 db less. I'm looking for other Grids I should be looking at (reasonably priced)? From our experiences with 2.4 the Grid vendor seems to make a difference. Regards Michael Baird WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Grids
I've got five in the back of the truck. I'll check it out. Phil On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 7:25 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Me too! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Phil Curnutt Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 9:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Grids Fooled me. Phil On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 10:05 AM, ccrum cc...@dot11net.com wrote: Looks like metal, but it is just plastic painted silver. A feed encased in metal would not work. Phil Curnutt wrote: The 5.8's have a metal horn, not plastic. The 2.4's are plastic. Phil On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 3:31 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Probably so. The pac feed horn is fairly flimsy. I'm always afraid to put too much force on them due to the plastic seam along the side looking like it's not exactly sealed much. I always imagine the thing coming apart in my hand whenever I put the small metal deflector on the end. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 5:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Grids Not just the icing. In the last month I have replaced 2 PW 5.8 grids (29db) with 2' dishes. When the grids were installed we got signals of around -72. When we took them down, we were getting -80. The dishes are getting -69. This was 2 links, changing just one end. We had a similar problem last January. Best I can figure is the feedhorn gets water in it somehow over time. Robert West wrote: Oh, thanks! I put up a bunch of those el cheapo 5.8 pac grids this summer. Now I have all this to look forward to. Sigh :) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 3:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Grids I should note my bad experience has always been with 5.8 grids, too. Never 900 and we put up our first monster Pac 2.4 grid recently. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 2:39 PM, jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com wrote: We've noticed 5.8 grids are far more affected by icing than 2.4 or 900. Ice buildup isn't different, just attenuation is. We stick to solid dishes or flat panels for 5.8. On Tue, Dec 08, 2009 at 11:05:01AM -0500, Michael Baird wrote: I've been testing a few 5.8 grids for some p2p applications we are developing. I had some Pac Wireless 26db's from old stock, I brought in some Poynting 31's for testing, the Poynting's actually do worse then then Pac Wireless which was rated 5 db less. I'm looking for other Grids I should be looking at (reasonably priced)? From our experiences with 2.4 the Grid vendor seems to make a difference. Regards Michael Baird WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Maine http://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Grids
I'm not a big fan of grids - especially for ptp links. Ice is your enemy. I really like the ARC 5ghz 23dbi panels (they do 4.9 to 6ghz I think). Small, strong and have worked very well for me. I use the rb411 and have 3 or 4 ptp links up right now. Probably going to be putting up another one soon. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 11:05 AM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: I've been testing a few 5.8 grids for some p2p applications we are developing. I had some Pac Wireless 26db's from old stock, I brought in some Poynting 31's for testing, the Poynting's actually do worse then then Pac Wireless which was rated 5 db less. I'm looking for other Grids I should be looking at (reasonably priced)? From our experiences with 2.4 the Grid vendor seems to make a difference. Regards Michael Baird WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Grids
We've noticed 5.8 grids are far more affected by icing than 2.4 or 900. Ice buildup isn't different, just attenuation is. We stick to solid dishes or flat panels for 5.8. On Tue, Dec 08, 2009 at 11:05:01AM -0500, Michael Baird wrote: I've been testing a few 5.8 grids for some p2p applications we are developing. I had some Pac Wireless 26db's from old stock, I brought in some Poynting 31's for testing, the Poynting's actually do worse then then Pac Wireless which was rated 5 db less. I'm looking for other Grids I should be looking at (reasonably priced)? From our experiences with 2.4 the Grid vendor seems to make a difference. Regards Michael Baird WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Grids
I should note my bad experience has always been with 5.8 grids, too. Never 900 and we put up our first monster Pac 2.4 grid recently. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 2:39 PM, jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com wrote: We've noticed 5.8 grids are far more affected by icing than 2.4 or 900. Ice buildup isn't different, just attenuation is. We stick to solid dishes or flat panels for 5.8. On Tue, Dec 08, 2009 at 11:05:01AM -0500, Michael Baird wrote: I've been testing a few 5.8 grids for some p2p applications we are developing. I had some Pac Wireless 26db's from old stock, I brought in some Poynting 31's for testing, the Poynting's actually do worse then then Pac Wireless which was rated 5 db less. I'm looking for other Grids I should be looking at (reasonably priced)? From our experiences with 2.4 the Grid vendor seems to make a difference. Regards Michael Baird WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Grids
Oh, thanks! I put up a bunch of those el cheapo 5.8 pac grids this summer. Now I have all this to look forward to. Sigh :) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 3:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Grids I should note my bad experience has always been with 5.8 grids, too. Never 900 and we put up our first monster Pac 2.4 grid recently. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 2:39 PM, jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com wrote: We've noticed 5.8 grids are far more affected by icing than 2.4 or 900. Ice buildup isn't different, just attenuation is. We stick to solid dishes or flat panels for 5.8. On Tue, Dec 08, 2009 at 11:05:01AM -0500, Michael Baird wrote: I've been testing a few 5.8 grids for some p2p applications we are developing. I had some Pac Wireless 26db's from old stock, I brought in some Poynting 31's for testing, the Poynting's actually do worse then then Pac Wireless which was rated 5 db less. I'm looking for other Grids I should be looking at (reasonably priced)? From our experiences with 2.4 the Grid vendor seems to make a difference. Regards Michael Baird WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Grids
Not just the icing. In the last month I have replaced 2 PW 5.8 grids (29db) with 2' dishes. When the grids were installed we got signals of around -72. When we took them down, we were getting -80. The dishes are getting -69. This was 2 links, changing just one end. We had a similar problem last January. Best I can figure is the feedhorn gets water in it somehow over time. Robert West wrote: Oh, thanks! I put up a bunch of those el cheapo 5.8 pac grids this summer. Now I have all this to look forward to. Sigh :) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 3:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Grids I should note my bad experience has always been with 5.8 grids, too. Never 900 and we put up our first monster Pac 2.4 grid recently. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 2:39 PM, jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com wrote: We've noticed 5.8 grids are far more affected by icing than 2.4 or 900. Ice buildup isn't different, just attenuation is. We stick to solid dishes or flat panels for 5.8. On Tue, Dec 08, 2009 at 11:05:01AM -0500, Michael Baird wrote: I've been testing a few 5.8 grids for some p2p applications we are developing. I had some Pac Wireless 26db's from old stock, I brought in some Poynting 31's for testing, the Poynting's actually do worse then then Pac Wireless which was rated 5 db less. I'm looking for other Grids I should be looking at (reasonably priced)? From our experiences with 2.4 the Grid vendor seems to make a difference. Regards Michael Baird WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Grids
Probably so. The pac feed horn is fairly flimsy. I'm always afraid to put too much force on them due to the plastic seam along the side looking like it's not exactly sealed much. I always imagine the thing coming apart in my hand whenever I put the small metal deflector on the end. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 5:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Grids Not just the icing. In the last month I have replaced 2 PW 5.8 grids (29db) with 2' dishes. When the grids were installed we got signals of around -72. When we took them down, we were getting -80. The dishes are getting -69. This was 2 links, changing just one end. We had a similar problem last January. Best I can figure is the feedhorn gets water in it somehow over time. Robert West wrote: Oh, thanks! I put up a bunch of those el cheapo 5.8 pac grids this summer. Now I have all this to look forward to. Sigh :) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 3:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Grids I should note my bad experience has always been with 5.8 grids, too. Never 900 and we put up our first monster Pac 2.4 grid recently. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 2:39 PM, jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com wrote: We've noticed 5.8 grids are far more affected by icing than 2.4 or 900. Ice buildup isn't different, just attenuation is. We stick to solid dishes or flat panels for 5.8. On Tue, Dec 08, 2009 at 11:05:01AM -0500, Michael Baird wrote: I've been testing a few 5.8 grids for some p2p applications we are developing. I had some Pac Wireless 26db's from old stock, I brought in some Poynting 31's for testing, the Poynting's actually do worse then then Pac Wireless which was rated 5 db less. I'm looking for other Grids I should be looking at (reasonably priced)? From our experiences with 2.4 the Grid vendor seems to make a difference. Regards Michael Baird WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe
Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Grids
The 5.8's have a metal horn, not plastic. The 2.4's are plastic. Phil On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 3:31 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Probably so. The pac feed horn is fairly flimsy. I'm always afraid to put too much force on them due to the plastic seam along the side looking like it's not exactly sealed much. I always imagine the thing coming apart in my hand whenever I put the small metal deflector on the end. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 5:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Grids Not just the icing. In the last month I have replaced 2 PW 5.8 grids (29db) with 2' dishes. When the grids were installed we got signals of around -72. When we took them down, we were getting -80. The dishes are getting -69. This was 2 links, changing just one end. We had a similar problem last January. Best I can figure is the feedhorn gets water in it somehow over time. Robert West wrote: Oh, thanks! I put up a bunch of those el cheapo 5.8 pac grids this summer. Now I have all this to look forward to. Sigh :) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 3:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Grids I should note my bad experience has always been with 5.8 grids, too. Never 900 and we put up our first monster Pac 2.4 grid recently. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 2:39 PM, jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com wrote: We've noticed 5.8 grids are far more affected by icing than 2.4 or 900. Ice buildup isn't different, just attenuation is. We stick to solid dishes or flat panels for 5.8. On Tue, Dec 08, 2009 at 11:05:01AM -0500, Michael Baird wrote: I've been testing a few 5.8 grids for some p2p applications we are developing. I had some Pac Wireless 26db's from old stock, I brought in some Poynting 31's for testing, the Poynting's actually do worse then then Pac Wireless which was rated 5 db less. I'm looking for other Grids I should be looking at (reasonably priced)? From our experiences with 2.4 the Grid vendor seems to make a difference. Regards Michael Baird WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Grids
All of the 5.8's I put up are plastic on the end. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Phil Curnutt Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 6:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Grids The 5.8's have a metal horn, not plastic. The 2.4's are plastic. Phil On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 3:31 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Probably so. The pac feed horn is fairly flimsy. I'm always afraid to put too much force on them due to the plastic seam along the side looking like it's not exactly sealed much. I always imagine the thing coming apart in my hand whenever I put the small metal deflector on the end. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 5:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Grids Not just the icing. In the last month I have replaced 2 PW 5.8 grids (29db) with 2' dishes. When the grids were installed we got signals of around -72. When we took them down, we were getting -80. The dishes are getting -69. This was 2 links, changing just one end. We had a similar problem last January. Best I can figure is the feedhorn gets water in it somehow over time. Robert West wrote: Oh, thanks! I put up a bunch of those el cheapo 5.8 pac grids this summer. Now I have all this to look forward to. Sigh :) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 3:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Grids I should note my bad experience has always been with 5.8 grids, too. Never 900 and we put up our first monster Pac 2.4 grid recently. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 2:39 PM, jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com wrote: We've noticed 5.8 grids are far more affected by icing than 2.4 or 900. Ice buildup isn't different, just attenuation is. We stick to solid dishes or flat panels for 5.8. On Tue, Dec 08, 2009 at 11:05:01AM -0500, Michael Baird wrote: I've been testing a few 5.8 grids for some p2p applications we are developing. I had some Pac Wireless 26db's from old stock, I brought in some Poynting 31's for testing, the Poynting's actually do worse then then Pac Wireless which was rated 5 db less. I'm looking for other Grids I should be looking at (reasonably priced)? From our experiences with 2.4 the Grid vendor seems to make a difference. Regards Michael Baird WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http
