Re: [WISPA] Broadband work with Indian Reservation
Dont feed the troll :) On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 6:18 PM, Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com wrote: Gosh, I just do not understand how some native American peoples could feel so territorial. What's up with that??? Forbes Mercy wrote: Travis, I totally understand since 2003 I have tried to get on tribal hills and unless I piggyback on an existing tower all I can get is we want to do Internet ourselves, I check back in every two to three years, same thing. I should feel lucky they haven't tried to ban us. Forbes On 8/13/2010 1:55 PM, Travis Johnson wrote: The reservation in our area put an actual ordinance in effect that bans all outdoor antennas on any structure (including their homes, sheds, garages, barns, etc.). We still do installs there (along with 2 or 3 other providers), but technically they could enforce it. The reason? Because they are going to do their own internet, TV and VoIP solution... they have only been talking about it for almost 6+ years and have not installed a single piece of equipment. They have two nice water towers, and a nice tower up on a 500ft tall butte right in the middle of their area... but they won't allow ANYONE on any of it because they are going to do it. This is the EXACT reason the tribes are SO FAR behind, and can't compete in the real world. They won't allow us to bring them technology that would help all their people. Instead they just built a huge new Tribal headquarters and are trying to get money to build a huge gambling casino. Travis Microserv MDK wrote: I tried to, but it fell through.They chose to spend a HUGE amount of money for Fiber to the curb and try to administer it themselves, rather than about 15% of the cost for me to bring in broadband and maintain it. As far as I know, it has been a disaster, but they're now so invested in it they won't change.This is a very small reservation, and they only wanted to get broadband to the most densely populated part of it. I may still end up putting in wireless to the remote parts, since lots of non-indians live out there. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ *From:* Rick Harnish rharn...@wispa.org *Sent:* Friday, August 13, 2010 12:28 PM *To:* memb...@wispa.org ; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org ; motor...@afmug.com *Cc:* 'A Goldman' agold.wispal...@gmail.com *Subject:* [WISPA] Broadband work with Indian Reservation I will be attending a Strategy Meeting in New York later this month which is hosted by NABA (Native American Broadband Association and Intersections International). Alex Goldman will be covering these meetings as well. Between now and then, I would like to hear from WISPs across the country that may have worked with Indian tribes in the past or are presently working with them. Part of Alex’s articles will focus on how private ISPs are successfully working with the Indian Nation, however I would also like to hear the downside of anyone’s experiences. NABA has reached out to WISPA to develop alliances and collaboration, both on the lobbying front and the development of public/private partnerships so that many of the grants awarded to the Indian tribes will have a good local ISP partner to assist in the implementation of the projects. If your ISP business is near a reservation, I would like to hear from you in the next week. Respectfully, *Rick Harnish* Executive Director WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
[WISPA] Broadband work with Indian Reservation
I will be attending a Strategy Meeting in New York later this month which is hosted by NABA (Native American Broadband Association and Intersections International). Alex Goldman will be covering these meetings as well. Between now and then, I would like to hear from WISPs across the country that may have worked with Indian tribes in the past or are presently working with them. Part of Alex's articles will focus on how private ISPs are successfully working with the Indian Nation, however I would also like to hear the downside of anyone's experiences. NABA has reached out to WISPA to develop alliances and collaboration, both on the lobbying front and the development of public/private partnerships so that many of the grants awarded to the Indian tribes will have a good local ISP partner to assist in the implementation of the projects. If your ISP business is near a reservation, I would like to hear from you in the next week. Respectfully, Rick Harnish Executive Director WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Broadband work with Indian Reservation
I tried to, but it fell through.They chose to spend a HUGE amount of money for Fiber to the curb and try to administer it themselves, rather than about 15% of the cost for me to bring in broadband and maintain it. As far as I know, it has been a disaster, but they're now so invested in it they won't change.This is a very small reservation, and they only wanted to get broadband to the most densely populated part of it. I may still end up putting in wireless to the remote parts, since lots of non-indians live out there. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ From: Rick Harnish Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 12:28 PM To: memb...@wispa.org ; 'WISPA General List' ; motor...@afmug.com Cc: 'A Goldman' Subject: [WISPA] Broadband work with Indian Reservation I will be attending a Strategy Meeting in New York later this month which is hosted by NABA (Native American Broadband Association and Intersections International). Alex Goldman will be covering these meetings as well. Between now and then, I would like to hear from WISPs across the country that may have worked with Indian tribes in the past or are presently working with them. Part of Alex's articles will focus on how private ISPs are successfully working with the Indian Nation, however I would also like to hear the downside of anyone's experiences. NABA has reached out to WISPA to develop alliances and collaboration, both on the lobbying front and the development of public/private partnerships so that many of the grants awarded to the Indian tribes will have a good local ISP partner to assist in the implementation of the projects. If your ISP business is near a reservation, I would like to hear from you in the next week. Respectfully, Rick Harnish Executive Director WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Broadband work with Indian Reservation
The reservation in our area put an actual ordinance in effect that bans all outdoor antennas on any structure (including their homes, sheds, garages, barns, etc.). We still do installs there (along with 2 or 3 other providers), but technically they could enforce it. The reason? Because they are going to do their own internet, TV and VoIP solution... they have only been talking about it for almost 6+ years and have not installed a single piece of equipment. They have two nice water towers, and a nice tower up on a 500ft tall butte right in the middle of their area... but they won't allow ANYONE on any of it because they are going to do it. This is the EXACT reason the tribes are SO FAR behind, and can't compete in the real world. They won't allow us to bring them technology that would help all their people. Instead they just built a huge new Tribal headquarters and are trying to get money to build a huge gambling casino. Travis Microserv MDK wrote: I tried to, but it fell through.They chose to spend a HUGE amount of money for Fiber to the curb and try to administer it themselves, rather than about 15% of the cost for me to bring in broadband and maintain it. As far as I know, it has been a disaster, but they're now so invested in it they won't change.This is a very small reservation, and they only wanted to get broadband to the most densely populated part of it. I may still end up putting in wireless to the remote parts, since lots of non-indians live out there. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ *From:* Rick Harnish mailto:rharn...@wispa.org *Sent:* Friday, August 13, 2010 12:28 PM *To:* memb...@wispa.org mailto:memb...@wispa.org ; 'WISPA General List' mailto:wireless@wispa.org ; motor...@afmug.com mailto:motor...@afmug.com *Cc:* 'A Goldman' mailto:agold.wispal...@gmail.com *Subject:* [WISPA] Broadband work with Indian Reservation I will be attending a Strategy Meeting in New York later this month which is hosted by NABA (Native American Broadband Association and Intersections International). Alex Goldman will be covering these meetings as well. Between now and then, I would like to hear from WISPs across the country that may have worked with Indian tribes in the past or are presently working with them. Part of Alex's articles will focus on how private ISPs are successfully working with the Indian Nation, however I would also like to hear the downside of anyone's experiences. NABA has reached out to WISPA to develop alliances and collaboration, both on the lobbying front and the development of public/private partnerships so that many of the grants awarded to the Indian tribes will have a good local ISP partner to assist in the implementation of the projects. If your ISP business is near a reservation, I would like to hear from you in the next week. Respectfully, *Rick Harnish* Executive Director WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Broadband work with Indian Reservation
These are all great suggestions I will arm myself with. I don't know whether it will help but it can't hurt. Rick From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 4:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Broadband work with Indian Reservation The reservation in our area put an actual ordinance in effect that bans all outdoor antennas on any structure (including their homes, sheds, garages, barns, etc.). We still do installs there (along with 2 or 3 other providers), but technically they could enforce it. The reason? Because they are going to do their own internet, TV and VoIP solution... they have only been talking about it for almost 6+ years and have not installed a single piece of equipment. They have two nice water towers, and a nice tower up on a 500ft tall butte right in the middle of their area... but they won't allow ANYONE on any of it because they are going to do it. This is the EXACT reason the tribes are SO FAR behind, and can't compete in the real world. They won't allow us to bring them technology that would help all their people. Instead they just built a huge new Tribal headquarters and are trying to get money to build a huge gambling casino. Travis Microserv MDK wrote: I tried to, but it fell through.They chose to spend a HUGE amount of money for Fiber to the curb and try to administer it themselves, rather than about 15% of the cost for me to bring in broadband and maintain it. As far as I know, it has been a disaster, but they're now so invested in it they won't change.This is a very small reservation, and they only wanted to get broadband to the most densely populated part of it. I may still end up putting in wireless to the remote parts, since lots of non-indians live out there. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ From: Rick Harnish mailto:rharn...@wispa.org Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 12:28 PM To: memb...@wispa.org ; 'WISPA General mailto:wireless@wispa.org List' ; motor...@afmug.com Cc: 'A mailto:agold.wispal...@gmail.com Goldman' Subject: [WISPA] Broadband work with Indian Reservation I will be attending a Strategy Meeting in New York later this month which is hosted by NABA (Native American Broadband Association and Intersections International). Alex Goldman will be covering these meetings as well. Between now and then, I would like to hear from WISPs across the country that may have worked with Indian tribes in the past or are presently working with them. Part of Alex's articles will focus on how private ISPs are successfully working with the Indian Nation, however I would also like to hear the downside of anyone's experiences. NABA has reached out to WISPA to develop alliances and collaboration, both on the lobbying front and the development of public/private partnerships so that many of the grants awarded to the Indian tribes will have a good local ISP partner to assist in the implementation of the projects. If your ISP business is near a reservation, I would like to hear from you in the next week. Respectfully, Rick Harnish Executive Director WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org _ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Broadband work with Indian Reservation
This seems to be a very typical scenario from most people I've talked to. I've tried working with the tribe and haven't gotten very far despite 12 meetings alone with the Tribal Utility Commission. I've taken the tact now that I work with the communities just like we've done in any other community we want to provide service in. While the potential seems to be there in working with the tribe to bring wireless to tribal land, but the reality is that the fastest way to get anything done in my opinion is to tackle the problem the same way as any other expansion area. I would love to see this collaboration with NABA bear fruit. I'm not sure what type of influence the NABA people have, but dealing with tribal government is very much like dealing with federal government, the deals take a long time to mature and to be honest, the people in power tend to change faster than it takes to get the deal done. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Travis Johnson wrote: The reservation in our area put an actual ordinance in effect that bans all outdoor antennas on any structure (including their homes, sheds, garages, barns, etc.). We still do installs there (along with 2 or 3 other providers), but technically they could enforce it. The reason? Because they are going to do their own internet, TV and VoIP solution... they have only been talking about it for almost 6+ years and have not installed a single piece of equipment. They have two nice water towers, and a nice tower up on a 500ft tall butte right in the middle of their area... but they won't allow ANYONE on any of it because they are going to do it. This is the EXACT reason the tribes are SO FAR behind, and can't compete in the real world. They won't allow us to bring them technology that would help all their people. Instead they just built a huge new Tribal headquarters and are trying to get money to build a huge gambling casino. Travis Microserv MDK wrote: I tried to, but it fell through. They chose to spend a HUGE amount of money for Fiber to the curb and try to administer it themselves, rather than about 15% of the cost for me to bring in broadband and maintain it. As far as I know, it has been a disaster, but they're now so invested in it they won't change. This is a very small reservation, and they only wanted to get broadband to the most densely populated part of it. I may still end up putting in wireless to the remote parts, since lots of non-indians live out there. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ *From:* Rick Harnish mailto:rharn...@wispa.org *Sent:* Friday, August 13, 2010 12:28 PM *To:* memb...@wispa.org mailto:memb...@wispa.org ; 'WISPA General List' mailto:wireless@wispa.org ; motor...@afmug.com mailto:motor...@afmug.com *Cc:* 'A Goldman' mailto:agold.wispal...@gmail.com *Subject:* [WISPA] Broadband work with Indian Reservation I will be attending a Strategy Meeting in New York later this month which is hosted by NABA (Native American Broadband Association and Intersections International). Alex Goldman will be covering these meetings as well. Between now and then, I would like to hear from WISPs across the country that may have worked with Indian tribes in the past or are presently working with them. Part of Alex’s articles will focus on how private ISPs are successfully working with the Indian Nation, however I would also like to hear the downside of anyone’s experiences. NABA has reached out to WISPA to develop alliances and collaboration, both on the lobbying front and the development of public/private partnerships so that many of the grants awarded to the Indian tribes will have a good local ISP partner to assist in the implementation of the projects. If your ISP business is near a reservation, I would like to hear from you in the next week. Respectfully, *Rick Harnish* Executive Director WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Broadband work with Indian Reservation
Travis, I totally understand since 2003 I have tried to get on tribal hills and unless I piggyback on an existing tower all I can get is we want to do Internet ourselves, I check back in every two to three years, same thing. I should feel lucky they haven't tried to ban us. Forbes On 8/13/2010 1:55 PM, Travis Johnson wrote: The reservation in our area put an actual ordinance in effect that bans all outdoor antennas on any structure (including their homes, sheds, garages, barns, etc.). We still do installs there (along with 2 or 3 other providers), but technically they could enforce it. The reason? Because they are going to do their own internet, TV and VoIP solution... they have only been talking about it for almost 6+ years and have not installed a single piece of equipment. They have two nice water towers, and a nice tower up on a 500ft tall butte right in the middle of their area... but they won't allow ANYONE on any of it because they are going to do it. This is the EXACT reason the tribes are SO FAR behind, and can't compete in the real world. They won't allow us to bring them technology that would help all their people. Instead they just built a huge new Tribal headquarters and are trying to get money to build a huge gambling casino. Travis Microserv MDK wrote: I tried to, but it fell through.They chose to spend a HUGE amount of money for Fiber to the curb and try to administer it themselves, rather than about 15% of the cost for me to bring in broadband and maintain it. As far as I know, it has been a disaster, but they're now so invested in it they won't change.This is a very small reservation, and they only wanted to get broadband to the most densely populated part of it. I may still end up putting in wireless to the remote parts, since lots of non-indians live out there. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ *From:* Rick Harnish mailto:rharn...@wispa.org *Sent:* Friday, August 13, 2010 12:28 PM *To:* memb...@wispa.org mailto:memb...@wispa.org ; 'WISPA General List' mailto:wireless@wispa.org ; motor...@afmug.com mailto:motor...@afmug.com *Cc:* 'A Goldman' mailto:agold.wispal...@gmail.com *Subject:* [WISPA] Broadband work with Indian Reservation I will be attending a Strategy Meeting in New York later this month which is hosted by NABA (Native American Broadband Association and Intersections International). Alex Goldman will be covering these meetings as well. Between now and then, I would like to hear from WISPs across the country that may have worked with Indian tribes in the past or are presently working with them. Part of Alex's articles will focus on how private ISPs are successfully working with the Indian Nation, however I would also like to hear the downside of anyone's experiences. NABA has reached out to WISPA to develop alliances and collaboration, both on the lobbying front and the development of public/private partnerships so that many of the grants awarded to the Indian tribes will have a good local ISP partner to assist in the implementation of the projects. If your ISP business is near a reservation, I would like to hear from you in the next week. Respectfully, *Rick Harnish* Executive Director WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless
Re: [WISPA] Broadband work with Indian Reservation
On 08/13/2010 04:55 PM, Travis Johnson wrote: The reservation in our area put an actual ordinance in effect that bans all outdoor antennas on any structure (including their homes, sheds, garages, barns, etc.). We still do installs there (along with 2 or 3 other providers), but technically they could enforce it. FCC preemption here...Leon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Broadband work with Indian Reservation
One thing to keep in mind when thinking about strong arming any tribal entity, they have plenty of lawyers on staff who are more than happy to set in court and argue sovereign immunity as long as you want. You may win in the end, but at what cost? Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Leon D. Zetekoff wrote: On 08/13/2010 04:55 PM, Travis Johnson wrote: The reservation in our area put an actual ordinance in effect that bans all outdoor antennas on any structure (including their homes, sheds, garages, barns, etc.). We still do installs there (along with 2 or 3 other providers), but technically they could enforce it. FCC preemption here...Leon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Broadband work with Indian Reservation
No preemption for a sovereign nation... rules don't apply to them Brian From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Leon D. Zetekoff Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 5:42 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Broadband work with Indian Reservation On 08/13/2010 04:55 PM, Travis Johnson wrote: The reservation in our area put an actual ordinance in effect that bans all outdoor antennas on any structure (including their homes, sheds, garages, barns, etc.). We still do installs there (along with 2 or 3 other providers), but technically they could enforce it. FCC preemption here...Leon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Broadband work with Indian Reservation
Gosh, I just do not understand how some native American peoples could feel so "territorial". What's up with that??? Forbes Mercy wrote: Travis, I totally understand since 2003 I have tried to get on tribal hills and unless I piggyback on an existing tower all I can get is "we want to do Internet ourselves, I check back in every two to three years, same thing. I should feel lucky they haven't tried to ban us. Forbes On 8/13/2010 1:55 PM, Travis Johnson wrote: The reservation in our area put an actual ordinance in effect that bans all "outdoor antennas" on any structure (including their homes, sheds, garages, barns, etc.). We still do installs there (along with 2 or 3 other providers), but technically they could enforce it. The reason? Because they are going to do their "own" internet, TV and VoIP solution... they have only been talking about it for almost 6+ years and have not installed a single piece of equipment. They have two nice water towers, and a nice tower up on a 500ft tall butte right in the middle of their area... but they won't allow ANYONE on any of it because "they" are going to do it. This is the EXACT reason the tribes are SO FAR behind, and can't compete in the real world. They won't allow us to bring them technology that would help all their people. Instead they just built a huge new Tribal headquarters and are trying to get money to build a huge gambling casino. Travis Microserv MDK wrote: I tried to, but it fell through. They chose to spend a HUGE amount of money forFiber to the curband try to administer it themselves, rather than about 15% of the cost for me to bring in broadband and maintain it. As far as I know, it has been a disaster, but they're now so invested in it they won't change. This is a very small reservation, and they only wanted to get broadband to the most densely populated part of it. I may still end up putting in wireless to the "remote" parts, since lots of non-indians live out there. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ From: Rick Harnish Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 12:28 PM To: memb...@wispa.org ; 'WISPA General List' ; motor...@afmug.com Cc: 'A Goldman' Subject: [WISPA] Broadband work with Indian Reservation I will be attending a Strategy Meeting in New York later this month which is hosted by NABA (Native American Broadband Association and Intersections International). Alex Goldman will be covering these meetings as well. Between now and then, I would like to hear from WISPs across the country that may have worked with Indian tribes in the past or are presently working with them. Part of Alexs articles will focus on how private ISPs are successfully working with the Indian Nation, however I would also like to hear the downside of anyones experiences. NABA has reached out to WISPA to develop alliances and collaboration, both on the lobbying front and the development of public/private partnerships so that many of the grants awarded to the Indian tribes will have a good local ISP partner to assist in the implementation of the projects. If your ISP business is near a reservation, I would like to hear from you in the next week. Respectfully, Rick Harnish Executive Director WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -
Re: [WISPA] Broadband work with Indian Reservation
Mind you that sovereign part only applies to whatever they wish to apply it to. They're not at all, when it suits them. IN this, they have their cake, eat it, and expect us to give them an unlimited supply, as well. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ From: Jack Unger Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 3:18 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Broadband work with Indian Reservation Gosh, I just do not understand how some native American peoples could feel so territorial. What's up with that??? Forbes Mercy wrote: Travis, I totally understand since 2003 I have tried to get on tribal hills and unless I piggyback on an existing tower all I can get is we want to do Internet ourselves, I check back in every two to three years, same thing. I should feel lucky they haven't tried to ban us. Forbes On 8/13/2010 1:55 PM, Travis Johnson wrote: The reservation in our area put an actual ordinance in effect that bans all outdoor antennas on any structure (including their homes, sheds, garages, barns, etc.). We still do installs there (along with 2 or 3 other providers), but technically they could enforce it. The reason? Because they are going to do their own internet, TV and VoIP solution... they have only been talking about it for almost 6+ years and have not installed a single piece of equipment. They have two nice water towers, and a nice tower up on a 500ft tall butte right in the middle of their area... but they won't allow ANYONE on any of it because they are going to do it. This is the EXACT reason the tribes are SO FAR behind, and can't compete in the real world. They won't allow us to bring them technology that would help all their people. Instead they just built a huge new Tribal headquarters and are trying to get money to build a huge gambling casino. Travis Microserv MDK wrote: I tried to, but it fell through.They chose to spend a HUGE amount of money for Fiber to the curb and try to administer it themselves, rather than about 15% of the cost for me to bring in broadband and maintain it. As far as I know, it has been a disaster, but they're now so invested in it they won't change.This is a very small reservation, and they only wanted to get broadband to the most densely populated part of it. I may still end up putting in wireless to the remote parts, since lots of non-indians live out there. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ From: Rick Harnish Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 12:28 PM To: memb...@wispa.org ; 'WISPA General List' ; motor...@afmug.com Cc: 'A Goldman' Subject: [WISPA] Broadband work with Indian Reservation I will be attending a Strategy Meeting in New York later this month which is hosted by NABA (Native American Broadband Association and Intersections International). Alex Goldman will be covering these meetings as well. Between now and then, I would like to hear from WISPs across the country that may have worked with Indian tribes in the past or are presently working with them. Part of Alex's articles will focus on how private ISPs are successfully working with the Indian Nation, however I would also like to hear the downside of anyone's experiences. NABA has reached out to WISPA to develop alliances and collaboration, both on the lobbying front and the development of public/private partnerships so that many of the grants awarded to the Indian tribes will have a good local ISP partner to assist in the implementation of the projects. If your ISP business is near a reservation, I would like to hear from you in the next week. Respectfully, Rick Harnish Executive Director WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http
Re: [WISPA] Broadband work with Indian Reservation
Oh I don't blame them per se we all have a level of protectionism for what is ours, it's human nature. They have an advantage and they use it, I know few CEO's that wouldn't. On 8/13/2010 3:18 PM, Jack Unger wrote: Gosh, I just do not understand how some native American peoples could feel so territorial. What's up with that??? Forbes Mercy wrote: Travis, I totally understand since 2003 I have tried to get on tribal hills and unless I piggyback on an existing tower all I can get is we want to do Internet ourselves, I check back in every two to three years, same thing. I should feel lucky they haven't tried to ban us. Forbes On 8/13/2010 1:55 PM, Travis Johnson wrote: The reservation in our area put an actual ordinance in effect that bans all outdoor antennas on any structure (including their homes, sheds, garages, barns, etc.). We still do installs there (along with 2 or 3 other providers), but technically they could enforce it. The reason? Because they are going to do their own internet, TV and VoIP solution... they have only been talking about it for almost 6+ years and have not installed a single piece of equipment. They have two nice water towers, and a nice tower up on a 500ft tall butte right in the middle of their area... but they won't allow ANYONE on any of it because they are going to do it. This is the EXACT reason the tribes are SO FAR behind, and can't compete in the real world. They won't allow us to bring them technology that would help all their people. Instead they just built a huge new Tribal headquarters and are trying to get money to build a huge gambling casino. Travis Microserv MDK wrote: I tried to, but it fell through.They chose to spend a HUGE amount of money for Fiber to the curb and try to administer it themselves, rather than about 15% of the cost for me to bring in broadband and maintain it. As far as I know, it has been a disaster, but they're now so invested in it they won't change. This is a very small reservation, and they only wanted to get broadband to the most densely populated part of it. I may still end up putting in wireless to the remote parts, since lots of non-indians live out there. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ *From:* Rick Harnish mailto:rharn...@wispa.org *Sent:* Friday, August 13, 2010 12:28 PM *To:* memb...@wispa.org mailto:memb...@wispa.org ; 'WISPA General List' mailto:wireless@wispa.org ; motor...@afmug.com mailto:motor...@afmug.com *Cc:* 'A Goldman' mailto:agold.wispal...@gmail.com *Subject:* [WISPA] Broadband work with Indian Reservation I will be attending a Strategy Meeting in New York later this month which is hosted by NABA (Native American Broadband Association and Intersections International). Alex Goldman will be covering these meetings as well. Between now and then, I would like to hear from WISPs across the country that may have worked with Indian tribes in the past or are presently working with them. Part of Alex's articles will focus on how private ISPs are successfully working with the Indian Nation, however I would also like to hear the downside of anyone's experiences. NABA has reached out to WISPA to develop alliances and collaboration, both on the lobbying front and the development of public/private partnerships so that many of the grants awarded to the Indian tribes will have a good local ISP partner to assist in the implementation of the projects. If your ISP business is near a reservation, I would like to hear from you in the next week. Respectfully, *Rick Harnish* Executive Director WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http
Re: [WISPA] Broadband work with Indian Reservation
About six years or so I assisted several members of the Tuscarawas tribe on their reservation outside of Niagara Falls, New York in getting just basic dial up speeds via their tethered cell phones. (I was considered a genius for that basic work around) The council elders banned phone lines on the reservation (but power lines were okay???) so it could only be obtained via cell service. I was the unofficial Computer Guy for the tribe on that particular reservation. Very nice people. The only negative I saw was that there was one small group of people in the tribe that controlled the money and they also had say over the land which the individual tribe members did not own. The members that I dealt with expressed to me that they could be uprooted at any time if they pissed off the wrong big shot elder. Everything is politics and the reservations are no exception and have taken it to even greater heights. If you have any infrastructure that you need to put in, be ready to grease palms and involve whoever is in control of the cigarette and gasoline sales. You also need to pay attention to your contract wording because it may not apply on the reservation. Be mindful of who even signs. They may not have the correct authority in their power structure and would be worthless if it came to enforcement. Sad but true. I moved away but still get phone calls from a few tribal members. Bob- What-da-hey. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 3:29 PM To: memb...@wispa.org; 'WISPA General List'; motor...@afmug.com Cc: 'A Goldman' Subject: [WISPA] Broadband work with Indian Reservation I will be attending a Strategy Meeting in New York later this month which is hosted by NABA (Native American Broadband Association and Intersections International). Alex Goldman will be covering these meetings as well. Between now and then, I would like to hear from WISPs across the country that may have worked with Indian tribes in the past or are presently working with them. Part of Alex's articles will focus on how private ISPs are successfully working with the Indian Nation, however I would also like to hear the downside of anyone's experiences. NABA has reached out to WISPA to develop alliances and collaboration, both on the lobbying front and the development of public/private partnerships so that many of the grants awarded to the Indian tribes will have a good local ISP partner to assist in the implementation of the projects. If your ISP business is near a reservation, I would like to hear from you in the next week. Respectfully, Rick Harnish Executive Director WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
