Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs
Maybe it uses GPS sync? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 10:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs Travis, One of the limits with 3650 WiMax is that we have our three channels of 15mbps each. What is the deal with Clearwire 2.5G spectrum? How wide are their channels? Do they also jsut have 25mhz of spectrum per cell, limited to (7 Mhz) 15-18mbps sectors max? At the conference today (State of Mobility), there was a lot of support suggesting LTE becoming the dominant standard world wide for carriers. Anyone know how much channel width the carriers have in the US for LTE? Is taht what Verizon is going to use for 700Mhz? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 10:05 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs When there are 3 or 4 other wireless providers, cable, and two DSL providers, as well as 5 fiber-optic providers, the numbers don't add up. They are using Alvarion 2.5ghz licensed, and they are still having to roll a truck and do an outdoor install on a large percentage of their customers. I heard CPE was $400 each and they are doing free installs right now. And their network is awful... I have one of their modems for testing, and the latency is between 60-100ms and speeds are all over the place from minute to minute. It's funny, because I just got a call today from a current BridgeMaxx customer that is ready to pull her hair out. They are trying to run a small business (5 computers) and most of the time they can't connect at all. Travis Microserv Tom DeReggi wrote: From what I heard Digital Bridge has a very well performing network. The question is not whether the spent $100, it should be, how many of those 50,000 will their network and market competition allow them to serve? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: sc...@brevardwireless.com ; WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 5:11 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs Yup and the next one (not as big as Clearwire) is BridgeMaxx, also called Digital Bridge Communications. They blew through investor money like it was falling from the sky... spending almost $1,000,000 just on the infrastructure equipment (backhauls, AP's, routers, etc.) to cover a city of 50,000 population. Travis Microserv Scott Carullo wrote: Wireless AOL lol Thats good news for us... It was obvious long ago this was a take the investors money and run mission Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 4:36 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs Nothing could ever possibly worse then AOL. Could it..? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Doug Ratcliffe do...@dwwfl.com wrote: Clearwire would list coverage available and even if you called to cancel the day after you took your modem home for poor service, they would send out a tech, and even stick your modem in a plastic bag, hanging outside your window 100 feet across your house just to say it works and you wouldn't be allowed to terminate. If you complained about the wire, they would sell you HomePlug powerline adapters, or sell you a wireless router. It was worse than cancelling AOL, even worse than the cell phone companies. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs Clearwire isn't always on? I bet these are customers that outside of the coverage zone... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 4:16 PM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.net wrote: http://www.cellular-news.com/story/37150.php Customers in four states are filing suit against Clearwire for false-advertising, and to get out of paying ETFs. They advertised
[WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs
http://www.cellular-news.com/story/37150.php Customers in four states are filing suit against Clearwire for false-advertising, and to get out of paying ETFs. They advertised their service as an always-on service, comparable to DSL or cable modem; consumers say the service is hit-or-miss, often was comparable to dial-up, and that since Clearwire didn't hold up their end of the deal, subscribers shouldn't have to pay early termination fees. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs
Clearwire isn't always on? I bet these are customers that outside of the coverage zone... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 4:16 PM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.net wrote: http://www.cellular-news.com/story/37150.php Customers in four states are filing suit against Clearwire for false-advertising, and to get out of paying ETFs. They advertised their service as an always-on service, comparable to DSL or cable modem; consumers say the service is hit-or-miss, often was comparable to dial-up, and that since Clearwire didn't hold up their end of the deal, subscribers shouldn't have to pay early termination fees. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs
Clearwire would list coverage available and even if you called to cancel the day after you took your modem home for poor service, they would send out a tech, and even stick your modem in a plastic bag, hanging outside your window 100 feet across your house just to say it works and you wouldn't be allowed to terminate. If you complained about the wire, they would sell you HomePlug powerline adapters, or sell you a wireless router. It was worse than cancelling AOL, even worse than the cell phone companies. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs Clearwire isn't always on? I bet these are customers that outside of the coverage zone... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 4:16 PM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.net wrote: http://www.cellular-news.com/story/37150.php Customers in four states are filing suit against Clearwire for false-advertising, and to get out of paying ETFs. They advertised their service as an always-on service, comparable to DSL or cable modem; consumers say the service is hit-or-miss, often was comparable to dial-up, and that since Clearwire didn't hold up their end of the deal, subscribers shouldn't have to pay early termination fees. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs
I predict Clearwire will implode before the end of the year. __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Doug Ratcliffe Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 1:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs Clearwire would list coverage available and even if you called to cancel the day after you took your modem home for poor service, they would send out a tech, and even stick your modem in a plastic bag, hanging outside your window 100 feet across your house just to say it works and you wouldn't be allowed to terminate. If you complained about the wire, they would sell you HomePlug powerline adapters, or sell you a wireless router. It was worse than cancelling AOL, even worse than the cell phone companies. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs Clearwire isn't always on? I bet these are customers that outside of the coverage zone... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 4:16 PM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.net wrote: http://www.cellular-news.com/story/37150.php Customers in four states are filing suit against Clearwire for false-advertising, and to get out of paying ETFs. They advertised their service as an always-on service, comparable to DSL or cable modem; consumers say the service is hit-or-miss, often was comparable to dial-up, and that since Clearwire didn't hold up their end of the deal, subscribers shouldn't have to pay early termination fees. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs
Nothing could ever possibly worse then AOL. Could it..? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Doug Ratcliffe do...@dwwfl.com wrote: Clearwire would list coverage available and even if you called to cancel the day after you took your modem home for poor service, they would send out a tech, and even stick your modem in a plastic bag, hanging outside your window 100 feet across your house just to say it works and you wouldn't be allowed to terminate. If you complained about the wire, they would sell you HomePlug powerline adapters, or sell you a wireless router. It was worse than cancelling AOL, even worse than the cell phone companies. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs Clearwire isn't always on? I bet these are customers that outside of the coverage zone... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 4:16 PM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.net wrote: http://www.cellular-news.com/story/37150.php Customers in four states are filing suit against Clearwire for false-advertising, and to get out of paying ETFs. They advertised their service as an always-on service, comparable to DSL or cable modem; consumers say the service is hit-or-miss, often was comparable to dial-up, and that since Clearwire didn't hold up their end of the deal, subscribers shouldn't have to pay early termination fees. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs
Wireless AOL lol Thats good news for us... It was obvious long ago this was a take the investors money and run mission Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 4:36 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs Nothing could ever possibly worse then AOL. Could it..? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Doug Ratcliffe do...@dwwfl.com wrote: Clearwire would list coverage available and even if you called to cancel the day after you took your modem home for poor service, they would send out a tech, and even stick your modem in a plastic bag, hanging outside your window 100 feet across your house just to say it works and you wouldn't be allowed to terminate. If you complained about the wire, they would sell you HomePlug powerline adapters, or sell you a wireless router. It was worse than cancelling AOL, even worse than the cell phone companies. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs Clearwire isn't always on? I bet these are customers that outside of the coverage zone... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 4:16 PM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.net wrote: http://www.cellular-news.com/story/37150.php Customers in four states are filing suit against Clearwire for false-advertising, and to get out of paying ETFs. They advertised their service as an always-on service, comparable to DSL or cable modem; consumers say the service is hit-or-miss, often was comparable to dial-up, and that since Clearwire didn't hold up their end of the deal, subscribers shouldn't have to pay early termination fees. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs
Yup and the next one (not as big as Clearwire) is BridgeMaxx, also called Digital Bridge Communications. They blew through investor money like it was falling from the sky... spending almost $1,000,000 just on the infrastructure equipment (backhauls, AP's, routers, etc.) to cover a city of 50,000 population. Travis Microserv Scott Carullo wrote: Wireless AOL lol Thats good news for us... It was obvious long ago this was a "take the investors money and run" mission Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: "Josh Luthman" j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 4:36 PM To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs Nothing could ever possibly worse then AOL. Could it..? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Doug Ratcliffe do...@dwwfl.com wrote: Clearwire would list coverage available and even if you called to cancel the day after you took your modem home for poor service, they would send out a tech, and even stick your modem in a plastic bag, hanging outside your window 100 feet across your house just to say "it works" and you wouldn't be allowed to terminate. If you complained about the wire, they would sell you HomePlug powerline adapters, or sell you a wireless router. It was worse than cancelling AOL, even worse than the cell phone companies. - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs Clearwire isn't always on? I bet these are customers that outside of the coverage zone... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 4:16 PM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.net wrote: http://www.cellular-news.com/story/37150.php Customers in four states are filing suit against Clearwire for false-advertising, and to get out of paying ETFs. They advertised their service as an always-on service, comparable to DSL or cable modem; consumers say the service is hit-or-miss, often was comparable to dial-up, and that since Clearwire didn't hold up their end of the deal, subscribers shouldn't have to pay early termination fees. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -
Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs
Government investment? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 5:11 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: Yup and the next one (not as big as Clearwire) is BridgeMaxx, also called Digital Bridge Communications. They blew through investor money like it was falling from the sky... spending almost $1,000,000 just on the infrastructure equipment (backhauls, AP's, routers, etc.) to cover a city of 50,000 population. Travis Microserv Scott Carullo wrote: Wireless AOL lol Thats good news for us... It was obvious long ago this was a take the investors money and run mission Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 4:36 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs Nothing could ever possibly worse then AOL. Could it..? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Doug Ratcliffe do...@dwwfl.com do...@dwwfl.com wrote: Clearwire would list coverage available and even if you called to cancel the day after you took your modem home for poor service, they would send out a tech, and even stick your modem in a plastic bag, hanging outside your window 100 feet across your house just to say it works and you wouldn't be allowed to terminate. If you complained about the wire, they would sell you HomePlug powerline adapters, or sell you a wireless router. It was worse than cancelling AOL, even worse than the cell phone companies. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs Clearwire isn't always on? I bet these are customers that outside of the coverage zone... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 4:16 PM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.net d...@mvn.net wrote: http://www.cellular-news.com/story/37150.php Customers in four states are filing suit against Clearwire for false-advertising, and to get out of paying ETFs. They advertised their service as an always-on service, comparable to DSL or cable modem; consumers say the service is hit-or-miss, often was comparable to dial-up, and that since Clearwire didn't hold up their end of the deal, subscribers shouldn't have to pay early termination fees. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!http
Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs
This is just another case where if it isn't your blood that's flowing out to purchase equipment it isn't well spent. The problem, these situations make our industry look like we are limited on size and feasibility. I applaud those of you who are large and able to do it right. As a small WISP the idea of investors scare me. I have a boss to be accountable too. But to have 10 or 20 bosses who's goal is big ROI, you can keep it. Steve Barnes RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 5:12 PM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs Yup and the next one (not as big as Clearwire) is BridgeMaxx, also called Digital Bridge Communications. They blew through investor money like it was falling from the sky... spending almost $1,000,000 just on the infrastructure equipment (backhauls, AP's, routers, etc.) to cover a city of 50,000 population. Travis Microserv Scott Carullo wrote: Wireless AOL lol Thats good news for us... It was obvious long ago this was a take the investors money and run mission Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 4:36 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs Nothing could ever possibly worse then AOL. Could it..? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Doug Ratcliffe do...@dwwfl.commailto:do...@dwwfl.com wrote: Clearwire would list coverage available and even if you called to cancel the day after you took your modem home for poor service, they would send out a tech, and even stick your modem in a plastic bag, hanging outside your window 100 feet across your house just to say it works and you wouldn't be allowed to terminate. If you complained about the wire, they would sell you HomePlug powerline adapters, or sell you a wireless router. It was worse than cancelling AOL, even worse than the cell phone companies. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs Clearwire isn't always on? I bet these are customers that outside of the coverage zone... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 4:16 PM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.netmailto:d...@mvn.net wrote: http://www.cellular-news.com/story/37150.php Customers in four states are filing suit against Clearwire for false-advertising, and to get out of paying ETFs. They advertised their service as an always-on service, comparable to DSL or cable modem; consumers say the service is hit-or-miss, often was comparable to dial-up, and that since Clearwire didn't hold up their end of the deal, subscribers shouldn't have to pay early termination fees. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs
All of us small WISPs have a customer base that really appreciates that, too. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: This is just another case where if it isn't your blood that's flowing out to purchase equipment it isn't well spent. The problem, these situations make our industry look like we are limited on size and feasibility. I applaud those of you who are large and able to do it right. As a small WISP the idea of investors scare me. I have a boss to be accountable too. But to have 10 or 20 bosses who's goal is big ROI, you can keep it. Steve Barnes RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 5:12 PM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs Yup and the next one (not as big as Clearwire) is BridgeMaxx, also called Digital Bridge Communications. They blew through investor money like it was falling from the sky... spending almost $1,000,000 just on the infrastructure equipment (backhauls, AP's, routers, etc.) to cover a city of 50,000 population. Travis Microserv Scott Carullo wrote: Wireless AOL lol Thats good news for us... It was obvious long ago this was a take the investors money and run mission Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto: j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 4:36 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs Nothing could ever possibly worse then AOL. Could it..? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Doug Ratcliffe do...@dwwfl.commailto: do...@dwwfl.com wrote: Clearwire would list coverage available and even if you called to cancel the day after you took your modem home for poor service, they would send out a tech, and even stick your modem in a plastic bag, hanging outside your window 100 feet across your house just to say it works and you wouldn't be allowed to terminate. If you complained about the wire, they would sell you HomePlug powerline adapters, or sell you a wireless router. It was worse than cancelling AOL, even worse than the cell phone companies. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto: j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs Clearwire isn't always on? I bet these are customers that outside of the coverage zone... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 4:16 PM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.netmailto: d...@mvn.net wrote: http://www.cellular-news.com/story/37150.php Customers in four states are filing suit against Clearwire for false-advertising, and to get out of paying ETFs. They advertised their service as an always-on service, comparable to DSL or cable modem; consumers say the service is hit-or-miss, often was comparable to dial-up, and that since Clearwire didn't hold up their end of the deal, subscribers shouldn't have to pay early termination fees. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs
Well, most of the customer base... there are always a few ryan Josh Luthman wrote: All of us small WISPs have a customer base that really appreciates that, too. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: This is just another case where if it isn't your blood that's flowing out to purchase equipment it isn't well spent. The problem, these situations make our industry look like we are limited on size and feasibility. I applaud those of you who are large and able to do it right. As a small WISP the idea of investors scare me. I have a boss to be accountable too. But to have 10 or 20 bosses who's goal is big ROI, you can keep it. Steve Barnes RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 5:12 PM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs Yup and the next one (not as big as Clearwire) is BridgeMaxx, also called Digital Bridge Communications. They blew through investor money like it was falling from the sky... spending almost $1,000,000 just on the infrastructure equipment (backhauls, AP's, routers, etc.) to cover a city of 50,000 population. Travis Microserv Scott Carullo wrote: Wireless AOL lol Thats good news for us... It was obvious long ago this was a take the investors money and run mission Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto: j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 4:36 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs Nothing could ever possibly worse then AOL. Could it..? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Doug Ratcliffe do...@dwwfl.commailto: do...@dwwfl.com wrote: Clearwire would list coverage available and even if you called to cancel the day after you took your modem home for poor service, they would send out a tech, and even stick your modem in a plastic bag, hanging outside your window 100 feet across your house just to say it works and you wouldn't be allowed to terminate. If you complained about the wire, they would sell you HomePlug powerline adapters, or sell you a wireless router. It was worse than cancelling AOL, even worse than the cell phone companies. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto: j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs Clearwire isn't always on? I bet these are customers that outside of the coverage zone... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 4:16 PM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.netmailto: d...@mvn.net wrote: http://www.cellular-news.com/story/37150.php Customers in four states are filing suit against Clearwire for false-advertising, and to get out of paying ETFs. They advertised their service as an always-on service, comparable to DSL or cable modem; consumers say the service is hit-or-miss, often was comparable to dial-up, and that since Clearwire didn't hold up their end of the deal, subscribers shouldn't have to pay early termination fees. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http
Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs
Scott Carullo wrote: Thats good news for us... It was obvious long ago this was a take the investors money and run mission You have an interesting definition of good news. Anyone who sees this story (and I found it on consumerist.com, not an industry source) will just see wireless = unreliable and bad. Obviously there are about a thousand technical distinctions between their service and most of ours (different gear, different spectrum, and of course everyone on this list does their own thing in a different way), but all that will be glossed over, if it's mentioned at all, by any mainstream press outlets that report on this. One big wireless provider may have shot the rest of us in the feet, and I forgot to wear the steel-toed boots today. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs
I disagree with your assessment but to each his own... Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: David E. Smith d...@mvn.net Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 5:41 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs Scott Carullo wrote: Thats good news for us... It was obvious long ago this was a take the investors money and run mission You have an interesting definition of good news. Anyone who sees this story (and I found it on consumerist.com, not an industry source) will just see wireless = unreliable and bad. Obviously there are about a thousand technical distinctions between their service and most of ours (different gear, different spectrum, and of course everyone on this list does their own thing in a different way), but all that will be glossed over, if it's mentioned at all, by any mainstream press outlets that report on this. One big wireless provider may have shot the rest of us in the feet, and I forgot to wear the steel-toed boots today. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs
to explain... Would you rather have clearwire move into your service area with a million dollars for advertising and $35 service or would you rather have them in the news as a shoddy company... Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 5:48 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs I disagree with your assessment but to each his own... Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: David E. Smith d...@mvn.net Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 5:41 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs Scott Carullo wrote: Thats good news for us... It was obvious long ago this was a take the investors money and run mission You have an interesting definition of good news. Anyone who sees this story (and I found it on consumerist.com, not an industry source) will just see wireless = unreliable and bad. Obviously there are about a thousand technical distinctions between their service and most of ours (different gear, different spectrum, and of course everyone on this list does their own thing in a different way), but all that will be glossed over, if it's mentioned at all, by any mainstream press outlets that report on this. One big wireless provider may have shot the rest of us in the feet, and I forgot to wear the steel-toed boots today. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs
I don't think this hurts anyone. Nobody hardly knows about this and there is lots of lawsuites. One of my customers has been sued twice now because she owns an elder care facility that caters to alzhiemers and dimensia folks who's family can no longer care for them. Both suites are My Mother died in your facility because you didn't care for her with attendent on a 24/7 basis. Reality, the family can't care for them either and there is no one on one 24 hour day a week facility. And they were at deaths door which is why they are there, but just the same a lawyer has the people suing for the loss of a loved one, because maybe if they posted a nurse 24/7 at your moms side she would not have died as quick. Stupid frivilous lawsuites. Getting back to Clearwire. I have met several people who have it and like it. It's on par with cheap dsl and works well for some. So, they are making hay. I don't think they are a scam, just a very sophisticated game plan, they got sprint on their side. maybe soon it will sprint wire or clear sprint. Who knows, but I would hate for people to have false sense of security. I think they will be around a long time. Scott Carullo wrote: I disagree with your assessment but to each his own... Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: David E. Smith d...@mvn.net Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 5:41 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs Scott Carullo wrote: Thats good news for us... It was obvious long ago this was a take the investors money and run mission You have an interesting definition of good news. Anyone who sees this story (and I found it on consumerist.com, not an industry source) will just see wireless = unreliable and bad. Obviously there are about a thousand technical distinctions between their service and most of ours (different gear, different spectrum, and of course everyone on this list does their own thing in a different way), but all that will be glossed over, if it's mentioned at all, by any mainstream press outlets that report on this. One big wireless provider may have shot the rest of us in the feet, and I forgot to wear the steel-toed boots today. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs
Nope... all private money. Travis Josh Luthman wrote: Government investment? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 5:11 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: Yup and the next one (not as big as Clearwire) is BridgeMaxx, also called Digital Bridge Communications. They blew through investor money like it was falling from the sky... spending almost $1,000,000 just on the infrastructure equipment (backhauls, AP's, routers, etc.) to cover a city of 50,000 population. Travis Microserv Scott Carullo wrote: Wireless AOL lol Thats good news for us... It was obvious long ago this was a "take the investors money and run" mission Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: "Josh Luthman" j...@imaginenetworksllc.com j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 4:36 PM To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs Nothing could ever possibly worse then AOL. Could it..? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Doug Ratcliffe do...@dwwfl.com do...@dwwfl.com wrote: Clearwire would list coverage available and even if you called to cancel the day after you took your modem home for poor service, they would send out a tech, and even stick your modem in a plastic bag, hanging outside your window 100 feet across your house just to say "it works" and you wouldn't be allowed to terminate. If you complained about the wire, they would sell you HomePlug powerline adapters, or sell you a wireless router. It was worse than cancelling AOL, even worse than the cell phone companies. - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" j...@imaginenetworksllc.com j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs Clearwire isn't always on? I bet these are customers that outside of the coverage zone... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 4:16 PM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.net d...@mvn.net wrote: http://www.cellular-news.com/story/37150.php Customers in four states are filing suit against Clearwire for false-advertising, and to get out of paying ETFs. They advertised their service as an always-on service, comparable to DSL or cable modem; consumers say the service is hit-or-miss, often was comparable to dial-up, and that since Clearwire didn't hold up their end of the deal, subscribers shouldn't have to pay early termination fees. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs
Not according to them. I spoke on a panel at a mobility conference in DC today with Clearwire. From what I understand, they are planning to replace all pre-wimax gear in 49 markets, with 802.16e mobile gear. I asked, will they expand to new markets first, or convert their network? and the answer was... convert our network. They need to be ALL MOBILE, it is the direction they are going. Maybe the fixed business was not as gravy as they thought? But I can tell you, they aren;t going away. I made a big case for small WISPs that engineer each install, focusing on QOS. That that market was also a market that wasn't going away. I guess this lawsuit proves my point. However, there was one testimoial from a Clearwire user stating Clearwire was everything they said it was, but more. Only thing we regret is that they only deployed in the city next door, and never made it to our city. What do we need to do to get them to come. I told them, don't wait, call your local WISP, there are lots of providers that can do it. . Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 4:35 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs I predict Clearwire will implode before the end of the year. __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Doug Ratcliffe Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 1:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs Clearwire would list coverage available and even if you called to cancel the day after you took your modem home for poor service, they would send out a tech, and even stick your modem in a plastic bag, hanging outside your window 100 feet across your house just to say it works and you wouldn't be allowed to terminate. If you complained about the wire, they would sell you HomePlug powerline adapters, or sell you a wireless router. It was worse than cancelling AOL, even worse than the cell phone companies. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs Clearwire isn't always on? I bet these are customers that outside of the coverage zone... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 4:16 PM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.net wrote: http://www.cellular-news.com/story/37150.php Customers in four states are filing suit against Clearwire for false-advertising, and to get out of paying ETFs. They advertised their service as an always-on service, comparable to DSL or cable modem; consumers say the service is hit-or-miss, often was comparable to dial-up, and that since Clearwire didn't hold up their end of the deal, subscribers shouldn't have to pay early termination fees. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs
From what I heard Digital Bridge has a very well performing network. The question is not whether the spent $100, it should be, how many of those 50,000 will their network and market competition allow them to serve? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: sc...@brevardwireless.com ; WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 5:11 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs Yup and the next one (not as big as Clearwire) is BridgeMaxx, also called Digital Bridge Communications. They blew through investor money like it was falling from the sky... spending almost $1,000,000 just on the infrastructure equipment (backhauls, AP's, routers, etc.) to cover a city of 50,000 population. Travis Microserv Scott Carullo wrote: Wireless AOL lol Thats good news for us... It was obvious long ago this was a take the investors money and run mission Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 4:36 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs Nothing could ever possibly worse then AOL. Could it..? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Doug Ratcliffe do...@dwwfl.com wrote: Clearwire would list coverage available and even if you called to cancel the day after you took your modem home for poor service, they would send out a tech, and even stick your modem in a plastic bag, hanging outside your window 100 feet across your house just to say it works and you wouldn't be allowed to terminate. If you complained about the wire, they would sell you HomePlug powerline adapters, or sell you a wireless router. It was worse than cancelling AOL, even worse than the cell phone companies. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs Clearwire isn't always on? I bet these are customers that outside of the coverage zone... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 4:16 PM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.net wrote: http://www.cellular-news.com/story/37150.php Customers in four states are filing suit against Clearwire for false-advertising, and to get out of paying ETFs. They advertised their service as an always-on service, comparable to DSL or cable modem; consumers say the service is hit-or-miss, often was comparable to dial-up, and that since Clearwire didn't hold up their end of the deal, subscribers shouldn't have to pay early termination fees. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs
When there are 3 or 4 other wireless providers, cable, and two DSL providers, as well as 5 fiber-optic providers, the numbers don't add up. They are using Alvarion 2.5ghz licensed, and they are still having to roll a truck and do an outdoor install on a large percentage of their customers. I heard CPE was $400 each and they are doing free installs right now. And their network is awful... I have one of their modems for testing, and the latency is between 60-100ms and speeds are all over the place from minute to minute. It's funny, because I just got a call today from a current BridgeMaxx customer that is ready to pull her hair out. They are trying to run a small business (5 computers) and most of the time they can't connect at all. Travis Microserv Tom DeReggi wrote: From what I heard Digital Bridge has a very well performing network. The question is not whether the spent $100, it should be, how many of those 50,000 will their network and market competition allow them to serve? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: sc...@brevardwireless.com ; WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 5:11 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs Yup and the next one (not as big as Clearwire) is BridgeMaxx, also called Digital Bridge Communications. They blew through investor money like it was falling from the sky... spending almost $1,000,000 just on the infrastructure equipment (backhauls, AP's, routers, etc.) to cover a city of 50,000 population. Travis Microserv Scott Carullo wrote: Wireless AOL lol Thats good news for us... It was obvious long ago this was a take the investors money and run mission Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 4:36 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs Nothing could ever possibly worse then AOL. Could it..? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Doug Ratcliffe do...@dwwfl.com wrote: Clearwire would list coverage available and even if you called to cancel the day after you took your modem home for poor service, they would send out a tech, and even stick your modem in a plastic bag, hanging outside your window 100 feet across your house just to say it works and you wouldn't be allowed to terminate. If you complained about the wire, they would sell you HomePlug powerline adapters, or sell you a wireless router. It was worse than cancelling AOL, even worse than the cell phone companies. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs Clearwire isn't always on? I bet these are customers that outside of the coverage zone... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 4:16 PM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.net wrote: http://www.cellular-news.com/story/37150.php Customers in four states are filing suit against Clearwire for false-advertising, and to get out of paying ETFs. They advertised their service as an always-on service, comparable to DSL or cable modem; consumers say the service is hit-or-miss, often was comparable to dial-up, and that since Clearwire didn't hold up their end of the deal, subscribers shouldn't have to pay early termination fees. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs
Travis, One of the limits with 3650 WiMax is that we have our three channels of 15mbps each. What is the deal with Clearwire 2.5G spectrum? How wide are their channels? Do they also jsut have 25mhz of spectrum per cell, limited to (7 Mhz) 15-18mbps sectors max? At the conference today (State of Mobility), there was a lot of support suggesting LTE becoming the dominant standard world wide for carriers. Anyone know how much channel width the carriers have in the US for LTE? Is taht what Verizon is going to use for 700Mhz? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 10:05 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs When there are 3 or 4 other wireless providers, cable, and two DSL providers, as well as 5 fiber-optic providers, the numbers don't add up. They are using Alvarion 2.5ghz licensed, and they are still having to roll a truck and do an outdoor install on a large percentage of their customers. I heard CPE was $400 each and they are doing free installs right now. And their network is awful... I have one of their modems for testing, and the latency is between 60-100ms and speeds are all over the place from minute to minute. It's funny, because I just got a call today from a current BridgeMaxx customer that is ready to pull her hair out. They are trying to run a small business (5 computers) and most of the time they can't connect at all. Travis Microserv Tom DeReggi wrote: From what I heard Digital Bridge has a very well performing network. The question is not whether the spent $100, it should be, how many of those 50,000 will their network and market competition allow them to serve? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: sc...@brevardwireless.com ; WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 5:11 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs Yup and the next one (not as big as Clearwire) is BridgeMaxx, also called Digital Bridge Communications. They blew through investor money like it was falling from the sky... spending almost $1,000,000 just on the infrastructure equipment (backhauls, AP's, routers, etc.) to cover a city of 50,000 population. Travis Microserv Scott Carullo wrote: Wireless AOL lol Thats good news for us... It was obvious long ago this was a take the investors money and run mission Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 4:36 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs Nothing could ever possibly worse then AOL. Could it..? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Doug Ratcliffe do...@dwwfl.com wrote: Clearwire would list coverage available and even if you called to cancel the day after you took your modem home for poor service, they would send out a tech, and even stick your modem in a plastic bag, hanging outside your window 100 feet across your house just to say it works and you wouldn't be allowed to terminate. If you complained about the wire, they would sell you HomePlug powerline adapters, or sell you a wireless router. It was worse than cancelling AOL, even worse than the cell phone companies. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs Clearwire isn't always on? I bet these are customers that outside of the coverage zone... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 4:16 PM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.net wrote: http://www.cellular-news.com/story/37150.php Customers in four states are filing suit against Clearwire for false-advertising, and to get out of paying ETFs. They advertised their service as an always-on service, comparable to DSL or cable modem; consumers say the service is hit-or-miss, often was comparable to dial-up, and that since Clearwire didn't hold up their end of the deal, subscribers shouldn't have to pay early termination fees. David Smith MVN.net
