Re: [WISPA] Filing for FCC form 477
This is one of the big reasons we started wispa. We know that we'll be regulated, the question is how to control that process. A strong association is our best chance to avoid the fate of the DSL industry. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 4:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Filing for FCC form 477 You guys all agree we should be able to build and own our own networks with as little regulation as possible but you want the government to regulate the crap out of the bigger players? I do not buy that. Give us all a level playing filed with little regulation and I think we will all win. Also, the FCC has a task force called the Wireless Broadband Access Task Force whose web site is located at www.fcc.gov/wbatf. Do you think this would exist if we did not have some people filling out their forms telling the FCC we are out here and need help? We cannot ask for representation in D.C. and then tell them they have no authority over us. This is not rational. We know the FCC has authority over what we do. We ask them for a playing field we can all play in. We get changes made and then we have people saying they refuse to fill out a form that shows what we are doing as broadband operators. I guess I just don't get it. Do you think the possibility could exist that their intentions are not sinister and may actually relate to their need for data in order to support our efforts? The government may not be your best friend but I assure you they play a big role in your business. We all need to understand the rules, follow them and try our best to make the rules work in our favor at all times. Like the form or not it is a matter of law and we need to follow the law of the land. Scriv Jeromie Reeves wrote: Under the current FCC chairman i have to agree. http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/telecom/2005-08-22-telecom-usat_x.htm?POE=MONISVA The only thing i get from that is they now want to alter the franchise process to allow telcos to do something they already can and know exactly how to do. Add this to the recent ruling that cable co's do not need to share and you got people on a grass knoll. I agree with Mark that we are being setup for a fall. Jeromie Mark Koskenmaki wrote: I'm quite sure it's only real purpose is finding out where all of us are, and where we are and who we are so we can be easily taxed and regulated. Like Congress gives a rip about small business?Only so as it gives them numbers to pontificate about. North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net Fast Internet, NO WIRES! - - Original Message - From: "Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 8:38 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Filing for FCC form 477 In this particular case it's actually a very good thing Mark. Part of what's kept us at arm's length in a number of venues is the lack of numbers. The FCC is trying to get an accurate count and this was an existing system for doing just that. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "Mark Koskenmaki" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 9:41 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Filing for FCC form 477 While you're at it, could you ask them what thier regulatory power comes from? How can they impose fines on a non-regulated business, that does not require thier action to exist? Further, what's the justification in the first place? I think this is the camel's nose and if we don't stand up and tell them to shove off, we'll be steamrollered into non-existence real fast. North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net Fast Internet, NO WIRES! -- -- - - Original Message - From: "Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181" <[EMAIL PRO
Re: [WISPA] Filing for FCC form 477
Mark, You have to use small words with Mac. :) Bo Mac Dearman wrote: Mark Koskenmaki wrote: Like Congress gives a rip about small business?Only so as it gives them numbers to pontificateabout. Ghee whiz Koskenmaki - -watch your language!! :-) "pontificate" sounds like it ought to be NASTY!! -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Filing for FCC form 477
- Original Message - From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 4:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Filing for FCC form 477 > You guys all agree we should be able to build and own our own networks > with as little regulation as possible but you want the government to > regulate the crap out of the bigger players? I do not buy that. Give us > all a level playing filed with little regulation and I think we will all > win. Also, the FCC has a task force called the Wireless Broadband Access > Task Force whose web site is located at www.fcc.gov/wbatf. Do you think > this would exist if we did not have some people filling out their forms > telling the FCC we are out here and need help? I, for one, have never asked for more regulation for anyone. I tend to agree with the deregulation of various entities... I think it makes the marketplace work more like reality. > > We cannot ask for representation in D.C. and then tell them they have no > authority over us. This is not rational. We know the FCC has authority > over what we do. We ask them for a playing field we can all play in. We > get changes made and then we have people saying they refuse to fill out > a form that shows what we are doing as broadband operators. I have no problem telling them what's going on. I have a problem telling them who I am, where I am, what zip codes, how many, even down to MY name as the person in charge.They need to know that like a fish needs a bicycle. > > I guess I just don't get it. Do you think the possibility could exist > that their intentions are not sinister and may actually relate to their > need for data in order to support our efforts? No, it hasn't occurred to me and there is not way it can be. This IS government, and by nature it is sinister to the best welfare of the people. The government may not be > your best friend but I assure you they play a big role in your business. > We all need to understand the rules, follow them and try our best to > make the rules work in our favor at all times. It's the 'following the rules' I have no problem with... When I become the large circle with concentric red and white rings painted on me, then I get concerned. > > Like the form or not it is a matter of law and we need to follow the law > of the land. Actually, we need to tell them to shove off.Tell them to find a way to accumulate the data without finding out who, where, what, and every other detail of our businesses. They have NO NEED OF KNOWING who my parent company is, what my legal business name is, and on and on. The ONLY reason to collect that is to make punitive regulation easier - they put the concentric rings on themselves... get them to remove them. North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net Fast Internet, NO WIRES! - > Scriv > > > > Jeromie Reeves wrote: > > > Under the current FCC chairman i have to agree. > > > > http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/telecom/2005-08-22-telecom-usat_x.htm?POE=MONISVA > > > > > > The only thing i get from that is they now want to alter the franchise > > process to allow telcos to do something > > they already can and know exactly how to do. Add this to the recent > > ruling that cable co's do not need to > > share and you got people on a grass knoll. I agree with Mark that we > > are being setup for a fall. > > > > Jeromie > > > > > > Mark Koskenmaki wrote: > > > >> I'm quite sure it's only real purpose is finding out where all of us > >> are, > >> and where we are and who we are so we can be easily taxed and > >> regulated. > >> > >> Like Congress gives a rip about small business?Only so as it > >> gives them > >> numbers to pontificate about. > >> > >> > >> North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 > >> personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net > >> sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net > >> Fast Internet, NO WIRES! > >> - --- > >> > >> - > >> - Original Message - From: "Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181" > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: "WISPA General List" > >> Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 8:38 AM > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Filing for FCC form 477 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >&
Re: [WISPA] Filing for FCC form 477
You guys all agree we should be able to build and own our own networks with as little regulation as possible but you want the government to regulate the crap out of the bigger players? I do not buy that. Give us all a level playing filed with little regulation and I think we will all win. Also, the FCC has a task force called the Wireless Broadband Access Task Force whose web site is located at www.fcc.gov/wbatf. Do you think this would exist if we did not have some people filling out their forms telling the FCC we are out here and need help? We cannot ask for representation in D.C. and then tell them they have no authority over us. This is not rational. We know the FCC has authority over what we do. We ask them for a playing field we can all play in. We get changes made and then we have people saying they refuse to fill out a form that shows what we are doing as broadband operators. I guess I just don't get it. Do you think the possibility could exist that their intentions are not sinister and may actually relate to their need for data in order to support our efforts? The government may not be your best friend but I assure you they play a big role in your business. We all need to understand the rules, follow them and try our best to make the rules work in our favor at all times. Like the form or not it is a matter of law and we need to follow the law of the land. Scriv Jeromie Reeves wrote: Under the current FCC chairman i have to agree. http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/telecom/2005-08-22-telecom-usat_x.htm?POE=MONISVA The only thing i get from that is they now want to alter the franchise process to allow telcos to do something they already can and know exactly how to do. Add this to the recent ruling that cable co's do not need to share and you got people on a grass knoll. I agree with Mark that we are being setup for a fall. Jeromie Mark Koskenmaki wrote: I'm quite sure it's only real purpose is finding out where all of us are, and where we are and who we are so we can be easily taxed and regulated. Like Congress gives a rip about small business?Only so as it gives them numbers to pontificate about. North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net Fast Internet, NO WIRES! - - Original Message - From: "Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 8:38 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Filing for FCC form 477 In this particular case it's actually a very good thing Mark. Part of what's kept us at arm's length in a number of venues is the lack of numbers. The FCC is trying to get an accurate count and this was an existing system for doing just that. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "Mark Koskenmaki" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 9:41 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Filing for FCC form 477 While you're at it, could you ask them what thier regulatory power comes from? How can they impose fines on a non-regulated business, that does not require thier action to exist? Further, what's the justification in the first place? I think this is the camel's nose and if we don't stand up and tell them to shove off, we'll be steamrollered into non-existence real fast. North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net Fast Internet, NO WIRES! -- -- - - Original Message - From: "Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 8:35 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Filing for FCC form 477 Did you understand 90% of it? We skipped a ton. And I sent a note to the FCC asking if a more isp centric form could be created. laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "Matt Larsen - Lists" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: ;
Re: [WISPA] Filing for FCC form 477
Barry at Mutual Data wrote: Hello Jeromie, First, I'm with Mark on this issue. This form sucks lemons. Same Here. But on to the article, I see no reason why I need to submit to a city if I wish to send video over my system. We are not talking YOUR system. We are talking about COAX/FIBER on/in the ROW. I am an information packet sending service. What business is it of theirs? Who cares what is in each packet. The whole "franchise" thing, IMNSHO, should be a dead issue Sure, we dont need ROW access (I could use it very well and put the local cable and telco out of business, but lets dump it nad give them more of a monopoly) (like telco monopolies should be) since many companies NOW want to build out systems. Back in 1960whatever I can see why a franchise would have been needed to help the cable company bring in video. But those days are over. Did you miss what a franchise is? A franchise gets you right of way access to pull your copper/fiber on poles or trench it. You do NOT need one if you use wireless. If I stream video who cares.. On wireless, no one. Oh they want a cut of the business but not provide one iota of risk or effort to make it work. ROW access is risky for the city, and you. I think that is the definition of parasite. Large Goverment also A better solution would have muni's building open systems that anyone can access, who cares what info is being sent to the customer. I dunno, smells fishy to me and takes control of the network away from me. Not what I want. Hell, I want to build a head end just to be able to stream 100 channels of video to my customers. Sheesh its just MTV, go shoot me.. Please what wireless system are you using that can support 100 channels at the same time??? If your thinking of pulling cable on poles you gotta have permission in the form of a franchise with the city. Same for digging. Yup they take anyplace up to 10% (some places might be more, all ive seen so far my self is 4 to 7.5%). Jeromie Barry Wednesday, August 24, 2005, 1:29:10 PM, you wrote: JR> Under the current FCC chairman i have to agree. JR> http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/telecom/2005-08-22-telecom-usat_x.htm?POE=MONISVA JR> The only thing i get from that is they now want to alter the franchise JR> process to allow telcos to do something JR> they already can and know exactly how to do. Add this to the recent JR> ruling that cable co's do not need to JR> share and you got people on a grass knoll. I agree with Mark that we are JR> being setup for a fall. JR> Jeromie JR> Mark Koskenmaki wrote: I'm quite sure it's only real purpose is finding out where all of us are, and where we are and who we are so we can be easily taxed and regulated. Like Congress gives a rip about small business?Only so as it gives them numbers to pontificate about. North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net Fast Internet, NO WIRES! - - Original Message - From: "Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 8:38 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Filing for FCC form 477 In this particular case it's actually a very good thing Mark. Part of what's kept us at arm's length in a number of venues is the lack of numbers. The FCC is trying to get an accurate count and this was an existing system for doing just that. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "Mark Koskenmaki" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 9:41 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Filing for FCC form 477 While you're at it, could you ask them what thier regulatory power comes from? How can they impose fines on a non-regulated business, that does not require thier action to exist? Further, what's the justification in the first place? I think this is the camel's nose and if we don't stand up and tell them to shove off, we'll be steamrollered into non-existence real fast. North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net Fast Internet, NO WIRES! -- -- - - Origi
Re[2]: [WISPA] Filing for FCC form 477
Hello Jeromie, First, I'm with Mark on this issue. This form sucks lemons. But on to the article, I see no reason why I need to submit to a city if I wish to send video over my system. I am an information packet sending service. What business is it of theirs? Who cares what is in each packet. The whole "franchise" thing, IMNSHO, should be a dead issue (like telco monopolies should be) since many companies NOW want to build out systems. Back in 1960whatever I can see why a franchise would have been needed to help the cable company bring in video. But those days are over. If I stream video who cares.. Oh they want a cut of the business but not provide one iota of risk or effort to make it work. I think that is the definition of parasite. A better solution would have muni's building open systems that anyone can access, who cares what info is being sent to the customer. Hell, I want to build a head end just to be able to stream 100 channels of video to my customers. Sheesh its just MTV, go shoot me.. Barry Wednesday, August 24, 2005, 1:29:10 PM, you wrote: JR> Under the current FCC chairman i have to agree. JR> http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/telecom/2005-08-22-telecom-usat_x.htm?POE=MONISVA JR> The only thing i get from that is they now want to alter the franchise JR> process to allow telcos to do something JR> they already can and know exactly how to do. Add this to the recent JR> ruling that cable co's do not need to JR> share and you got people on a grass knoll. I agree with Mark that we are JR> being setup for a fall. JR> Jeromie JR> Mark Koskenmaki wrote: >>I'm quite sure it's only real purpose is finding out where all of us are, >>and where we are and who we are so we can be easily taxed and regulated. >> >>Like Congress gives a rip about small business?Only so as it gives them >>numbers to pontificate about. >> >> >>North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 >>personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net >>sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net >>Fast Internet, NO WIRES! >> >>- >>- Original Message - >>From: "Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>To: "WISPA General List" >>Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 8:38 AM >>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Filing for FCC form 477 >> >> >> >> >>>In this particular case it's actually a very good thing Mark. >>> >>>Part of what's kept us at arm's length in a number of venues is the lack >>> >>> >>of >> >> >>>numbers. The FCC is trying to get an accurate count and this was an >>>existing system for doing just that. >>> >>>Marlon >>>(509) 982-2181 Equipment sales >>>(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services >>>42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp! >>>64.146.146.12 (net meeting) >>>www.odessaoffice.com/wireless >>>www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam >>> >>> >>> >>>- Original Message - >>>From: "Mark Koskenmaki" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>To: "WISPA General List" >>>Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 9:41 AM >>>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Filing for FCC form 477 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>While you're at it, could you ask them what thier regulatory power comes >>>>from? How can they impose fines on a non-regulated business, that does >>>>not >>>>require thier action to exist? >>>> >>>>Further, what's the justification in the first place? I think this is >>>>the >>>>camel's nose and if we don't stand up and tell them to shove off, we'll >>>> >>>> >>be >> >> >>>>steamrollered into non-existence real fast. >>>> >>>> >>>>North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 >>>>personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net >>>>sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net >>>>Fast Internet, NO WIRES! >>>> >>>> >>>-- >>> >>> >>-- >> >> >>>>- >>>>- Original Message - >>>>From: "Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>&
Re: [WISPA] Filing for FCC form 477
Under the current FCC chairman i have to agree. http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/telecom/2005-08-22-telecom-usat_x.htm?POE=MONISVA The only thing i get from that is they now want to alter the franchise process to allow telcos to do something they already can and know exactly how to do. Add this to the recent ruling that cable co's do not need to share and you got people on a grass knoll. I agree with Mark that we are being setup for a fall. Jeromie Mark Koskenmaki wrote: I'm quite sure it's only real purpose is finding out where all of us are, and where we are and who we are so we can be easily taxed and regulated. Like Congress gives a rip about small business?Only so as it gives them numbers to pontificate about. North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net Fast Internet, NO WIRES! - - Original Message - From: "Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 8:38 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Filing for FCC form 477 In this particular case it's actually a very good thing Mark. Part of what's kept us at arm's length in a number of venues is the lack of numbers. The FCC is trying to get an accurate count and this was an existing system for doing just that. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "Mark Koskenmaki" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 9:41 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Filing for FCC form 477 While you're at it, could you ask them what thier regulatory power comes from? How can they impose fines on a non-regulated business, that does not require thier action to exist? Further, what's the justification in the first place? I think this is the camel's nose and if we don't stand up and tell them to shove off, we'll be steamrollered into non-existence real fast. North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net Fast Internet, NO WIRES! -- -- - - Original Message - From: "Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 8:35 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Filing for FCC form 477 Did you understand 90% of it? We skipped a ton. And I sent a note to the FCC asking if a more isp centric form could be created. laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "Matt Larsen - Lists" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: ; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 3:00 PM Subject: [WISPA] Filing for FCC form 477 For those of you in the states...remember that you have to file form 477 with the FCC by September 1. Here is a link to the form: http://www.fcc.gov/formpage.html#477 Took me about 30 minutes to get mine done. Cheers, Matt Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Filing for FCC form 477
Mark Koskenmaki wrote: Like Congress gives a rip about small business?Only so as it gives them numbers to pontificateabout. Ghee whiz Koskenmaki - -watch your language!! :-) "pontificate" sounds like it ought to be NASTY!! -- Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC. www.inetsouth.com 318-728-8600 - Rayville 318-303-4229 318-303-4231 318-450-4349 - Monroe, La 318-303-4227 - NOC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Filing for FCC form 477
I'm quite sure it's only real purpose is finding out where all of us are, and where we are and who we are so we can be easily taxed and regulated. Like Congress gives a rip about small business?Only so as it gives them numbers to pontificate about. North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net Fast Internet, NO WIRES! - - Original Message - From: "Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 8:38 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Filing for FCC form 477 > In this particular case it's actually a very good thing Mark. > > Part of what's kept us at arm's length in a number of venues is the lack of > numbers. The FCC is trying to get an accurate count and this was an > existing system for doing just that. > > Marlon > (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales > (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services > 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! > 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) > www.odessaoffice.com/wireless > www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam > > > > - Original Message - > From: "Mark Koskenmaki" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 9:41 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Filing for FCC form 477 > > > > While you're at it, could you ask them what thier regulatory power comes > > from? How can they impose fines on a non-regulated business, that does > > not > > require thier action to exist? > > > > Further, what's the justification in the first place? I think this is > > the > > camel's nose and if we don't stand up and tell them to shove off, we'll be > > steamrollered into non-existence real fast. > > > > > > North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 > > personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net > > sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net > > Fast Internet, NO WIRES! > > ---------------------- -- > > - > > - Original Message - > > From: "Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "WISPA General List" > > Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 8:35 AM > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Filing for FCC form 477 > > > > > >> Did you understand 90% of it? We skipped a ton. And I sent a note to > >> the > >> FCC asking if a more isp centric form could be created. > >> > >> laters, > >> Marlon > >> (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales > >> (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services > >> 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! > >> 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) > >> www.odessaoffice.com/wireless > >> www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam > >> > >> > >> > >> - Original Message - > >> From: "Matt Larsen - Lists" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: ; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 3:00 PM > >> Subject: [WISPA] Filing for FCC form 477 > >> > >> > >> > For those of you in the states...remember that you have to file form > >> > 477 > >> > with the FCC by September 1. > >> > > >> > Here is a link to the form: > >> > > >> > http://www.fcc.gov/formpage.html#477 > >> > > >> > Took me about 30 minutes to get mine done. > >> > > >> > Cheers, > >> > > >> > Matt Larsen > >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > > >> > -- > >> > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >> > > >> > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > >> > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >> > > >> > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > >> > >> -- > >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >> > >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >> > >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > -- > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Filing for FCC form 477
In this particular case it's actually a very good thing Mark. Part of what's kept us at arm's length in a number of venues is the lack of numbers. The FCC is trying to get an accurate count and this was an existing system for doing just that. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "Mark Koskenmaki" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 9:41 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Filing for FCC form 477 While you're at it, could you ask them what thier regulatory power comes from? How can they impose fines on a non-regulated business, that does not require thier action to exist? Further, what's the justification in the first place? I think this is the camel's nose and if we don't stand up and tell them to shove off, we'll be steamrollered into non-existence real fast. North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net Fast Internet, NO WIRES! - - Original Message - From: "Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 8:35 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Filing for FCC form 477 Did you understand 90% of it? We skipped a ton. And I sent a note to the FCC asking if a more isp centric form could be created. laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "Matt Larsen - Lists" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: ; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 3:00 PM Subject: [WISPA] Filing for FCC form 477 > For those of you in the states...remember that you have to file form > 477 > with the FCC by September 1. > > Here is a link to the form: > > http://www.fcc.gov/formpage.html#477 > > Took me about 30 minutes to get mine done. > > Cheers, > > Matt Larsen > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Filing for FCC form 477
Sure would be nice if the font was bigger. Mike Bushard Jr Reliable Internet Services 1st Rate Computers 320-352-7880 Phone 320-352-7890 Fax 320-980-2678 Cell -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 12:33 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Filing for FCC form 477 Todd, Yes, this report is filed twice a year. March 1st and September 1st are the deadlines. Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband & Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Office 260-307-4000 Cell 260-918-4340 VoIP www.oibw.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Todd Barber Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 11:49 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Filing for FCC form 477 I filled this out in Feb of this year. Is this a twice a year requirement? Do I need to file again for 2005? Todd Barber Skylink Broadband Internet [EMAIL PROTECTED] 970-454-9499 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 9:35 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Filing for FCC form 477 Did you understand 90% of it? We skipped a ton. And I sent a note to the FCC asking if a more isp centric form could be created. laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "Matt Larsen - Lists" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: ; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 3:00 PM Subject: [WISPA] Filing for FCC form 477 > For those of you in the states...remember that you have to file form 477 > with the FCC by September 1. > > Here is a link to the form: > > http://www.fcc.gov/formpage.html#477 > > Took me about 30 minutes to get mine done. > > Cheers, > > Matt Larsen > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Filing for FCC form 477
Todd, Yes, this report is filed twice a year. March 1st and September 1st are the deadlines. Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband & Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Office 260-307-4000 Cell 260-918-4340 VoIP www.oibw.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Todd Barber Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 11:49 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Filing for FCC form 477 I filled this out in Feb of this year. Is this a twice a year requirement? Do I need to file again for 2005? Todd Barber Skylink Broadband Internet [EMAIL PROTECTED] 970-454-9499 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 9:35 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Filing for FCC form 477 Did you understand 90% of it? We skipped a ton. And I sent a note to the FCC asking if a more isp centric form could be created. laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "Matt Larsen - Lists" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: ; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 3:00 PM Subject: [WISPA] Filing for FCC form 477 > For those of you in the states...remember that you have to file form 477 > with the FCC by September 1. > > Here is a link to the form: > > http://www.fcc.gov/formpage.html#477 > > Took me about 30 minutes to get mine done. > > Cheers, > > Matt Larsen > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Filing for FCC form 477
I filled this out in Feb of this year. Is this a twice a year requirement? Do I need to file again for 2005? Todd Barber Skylink Broadband Internet [EMAIL PROTECTED] 970-454-9499 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 9:35 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Filing for FCC form 477 Did you understand 90% of it? We skipped a ton. And I sent a note to the FCC asking if a more isp centric form could be created. laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "Matt Larsen - Lists" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: ; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 3:00 PM Subject: [WISPA] Filing for FCC form 477 > For those of you in the states...remember that you have to file form 477 > with the FCC by September 1. > > Here is a link to the form: > > http://www.fcc.gov/formpage.html#477 > > Took me about 30 minutes to get mine done. > > Cheers, > > Matt Larsen > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Filing for FCC form 477
While you're at it, could you ask them what thier regulatory power comes from? How can they impose fines on a non-regulated business, that does not require thier action to exist? Further, what's the justification in the first place? I think this is the camel's nose and if we don't stand up and tell them to shove off, we'll be steamrollered into non-existence real fast. North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net Fast Internet, NO WIRES! - - Original Message - From: "Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 8:35 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Filing for FCC form 477 > Did you understand 90% of it? We skipped a ton. And I sent a note to the > FCC asking if a more isp centric form could be created. > > laters, > Marlon > (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales > (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services > 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! > 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) > www.odessaoffice.com/wireless > www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam > > > > - Original Message - > From: "Matt Larsen - Lists" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: ; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 3:00 PM > Subject: [WISPA] Filing for FCC form 477 > > > > For those of you in the states...remember that you have to file form 477 > > with the FCC by September 1. > > > > Here is a link to the form: > > > > http://www.fcc.gov/formpage.html#477 > > > > Took me about 30 minutes to get mine done. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Matt Larsen > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > -- > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Filing for FCC form 477
Did you understand 90% of it? We skipped a ton. And I sent a note to the FCC asking if a more isp centric form could be created. laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "Matt Larsen - Lists" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: ; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 3:00 PM Subject: [WISPA] Filing for FCC form 477 For those of you in the states...remember that you have to file form 477 with the FCC by September 1. Here is a link to the form: http://www.fcc.gov/formpage.html#477 Took me about 30 minutes to get mine done. Cheers, Matt Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Filing for FCC form 477
Pretty sure I should have done this on the 30th. Seems like it would have been easier. Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: For those of you in the states...remember that you have to file form 477 with the FCC by September 1. Here is a link to the form: http://www.fcc.gov/formpage.html#477 Took me about 30 minutes to get mine done. Cheers, Matt Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Filing for FCC form 477
For those of you in the states...remember that you have to file form 477 with the FCC by September 1. Here is a link to the form: http://www.fcc.gov/formpage.html#477 Took me about 30 minutes to get mine done. Cheers, Matt Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
