Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers.... Needed for WISP related product...
But that's the same complaints a lot of people have when comparing the legacy UBNT and MT. UBNT is basically plug and play while MT is virtually limitless on your configuration options. I can train even my wife to install a backhaul and could do it within an hour but the complexity of Mikrotik adds significantly to the learning curve. If you want quick and easy, plug and play, Ubiquiti. Complexity, MT. But I'm not meaning to discourage you whatsoever. It's the little guy in the corner who comes up with real innovation. The big guys tend to swoop down and claim it once it looks good. :) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of MDK Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 12:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers Needed for WISP related product... Actually, it's far better than cost-effective. It's flexible, in both hardware and capabilities.Firewall, routing, routing daemons, and other things. Frankly, I find the physical aspects of the Airmax stuff frustratingly limited. I've grown fond of my immense ability to do creative stuff with Star-OS and a wide array of physical forms - especially since much of my network relies on low power consumption. AirMax, deployed as an AP and clients... seems ok.But that's only a small part of a good network. -- From: Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 8:51 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers Needed for WISP related product... Availability is supposedly resolved. We'll see. Routing... there is a full SDK. You can do anything you want on those things. The new ones have 400+MHz proc's, plenty to do some routing/firewalling. I just can't see a home grown solution like you're proposing being cost-effective. We spent about 2 months on a project just like this, and started to have some pretty awesome performance and results. Then UBNT stuff came out. On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 9:39 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Given UBNT's record of unavailability of product, and the inability to route via the interface, I vastly prefer this to UBNT's products. Now, mind you, I'm not really putting them down, but this is an excellent infrastructure tool...Routing and other capabilities that vastly exceed some better known... -- From: Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 8:25 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers Needed for WISP related product... Is there really much need for this, given the new AirMax product line? I'm just saying... On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 9:19 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: What would you call a totally proprietary, TDMA based protocol, without ACK or CSMA? Doesn't look a whole lot like 802.11x, but if you wish to say it is, then, for you it is :) -- From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 7:36 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers Needed for WISP related product... If you are using Atheros based hardware, it's still 802.11... regardless of what software you put on top of it. Travis Microserv MDK wrote: If you're a WISP and have interest in using commodity - off the shelf - Atheros based hardware to achieve higher than ethernet speeds over wireless... This is not a tweak of 802.11, it is a completely different mode... There is currently an opportunity to do so, where most of the work has been done by various others in the FreeBSd community, but it is not integrated or packaged as a useful WISP product, and that's what needs to be done. This does not need to result in an open source release, due to the relaxed BSD license. Or, it can. But I'm looking for some people who have experience with freebsd, and have an interest in integrating what could be an awesome performing product using inexpensive commodity hardware. email me at pda at neofast dot net or mark at neofast dot net -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers.... Needed for WISP related product...
But I also have a few scripts that will make all of the changes I need, sans the SSID, Frequency, IP address. There is still a little bit of a learning curve, but for the basic setups you don't have to teach them more than the variables. -Kevin On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 7:05 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: But that's the same complaints a lot of people have when comparing the legacy UBNT and MT. UBNT is basically plug and play while MT is virtually limitless on your configuration options. I can train even my wife to install a backhaul and could do it within an hour but the complexity of Mikrotik adds significantly to the learning curve. If you want quick and easy, plug and play, Ubiquiti. Complexity, MT. But I'm not meaning to discourage you whatsoever. It's the little guy in the corner who comes up with real innovation. The big guys tend to swoop down and claim it once it looks good. :) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of MDK Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 12:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers Needed for WISP related product... Actually, it's far better than cost-effective. It's flexible, in both hardware and capabilities. Firewall, routing, routing daemons, and other things. Frankly, I find the physical aspects of the Airmax stuff frustratingly limited. I've grown fond of my immense ability to do creative stuff with Star-OS and a wide array of physical forms - especially since much of my network relies on low power consumption. AirMax, deployed as an AP and clients... seems ok. But that's only a small part of a good network. -- From: Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 8:51 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers Needed for WISP related product... Availability is supposedly resolved. We'll see. Routing... there is a full SDK. You can do anything you want on those things. The new ones have 400+MHz proc's, plenty to do some routing/firewalling. I just can't see a home grown solution like you're proposing being cost-effective. We spent about 2 months on a project just like this, and started to have some pretty awesome performance and results. Then UBNT stuff came out. On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 9:39 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Given UBNT's record of unavailability of product, and the inability to route via the interface, I vastly prefer this to UBNT's products. Now, mind you, I'm not really putting them down, but this is an excellent infrastructure tool... Routing and other capabilities that vastly exceed some better known... -- From: Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 8:25 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers Needed for WISP related product... Is there really much need for this, given the new AirMax product line? I'm just saying... On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 9:19 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: What would you call a totally proprietary, TDMA based protocol, without ACK or CSMA? Doesn't look a whole lot like 802.11x, but if you wish to say it is, then, for you it is :) -- From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 7:36 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers Needed for WISP related product... If you are using Atheros based hardware, it's still 802.11... regardless of what software you put on top of it. Travis Microserv MDK wrote: If you're a WISP and have interest in using commodity - off the shelf - Atheros based hardware to achieve higher than ethernet speeds over wireless... This is not a tweak of 802.11, it is a completely different mode... There is currently an opportunity to do so, where most of the work has been done by various others in the FreeBSd community, but it is not integrated or packaged as a useful WISP product, and that's what needs to be done. This does not need to result in an open source release, due to the relaxed BSD license. Or, it can. But I'm looking for some people who have experience with freebsd, and have an interest in integrating what could be an awesome performing product using inexpensive commodity hardware. email me at pda at neofast dot net or mark at neofast dot net -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers.... Needed for WISP related product...
Does this rely on some unpublished feature of the current Atheros chipset which could disappear in the next evolution making the project obsolete and the effort wasted? Is there a URL for the project? Greg On Dec 1, 2009, at 12:56 AM, MDK wrote: Actually, it's far better than cost-effective. It's flexible, in both hardware and capabilities.Firewall, routing, routing daemons, and other things. Frankly, I find the physical aspects of the Airmax stuff frustratingly limited. I've grown fond of my immense ability to do creative stuff with Star-OS and a wide array of physical forms - especially since much of my network relies on low power consumption. AirMax, deployed as an AP and clients... seems ok.But that's only a small part of a good network. -- From: Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 8:51 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers Needed for WISP related product... Availability is supposedly resolved. We'll see. Routing... there is a full SDK. You can do anything you want on those things. The new ones have 400+MHz proc's, plenty to do some routing/firewalling. I just can't see a home grown solution like you're proposing being cost-effective. We spent about 2 months on a project just like this, and started to have some pretty awesome performance and results. Then UBNT stuff came out. On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 9:39 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Given UBNT's record of unavailability of product, and the inability to route via the interface, I vastly prefer this to UBNT's products. Now, mind you, I'm not really putting them down, but this is an excellent infrastructure tool...Routing and other capabilities that vastly exceed some better known... -- From: Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 8:25 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers Needed for WISP related product... Is there really much need for this, given the new AirMax product line? I'm just saying... On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 9:19 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: What would you call a totally proprietary, TDMA based protocol, without ACK or CSMA? Doesn't look a whole lot like 802.11x, but if you wish to say it is, then, for you it is :) -- From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 7:36 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers Needed for WISP related product... If you are using Atheros based hardware, it's still 802.11... regardless of what software you put on top of it. Travis Microserv MDK wrote: If you're a WISP and have interest in using commodity - off the shelf - Atheros based hardware to achieve higher than ethernet speeds over wireless... This is not a tweak of 802.11, it is a completely different mode... There is currently an opportunity to do so, where most of the work has been done by various others in the FreeBSd community, but it is not integrated or packaged as a useful WISP product, and that's what needs to be done. This does not need to result in an open source release, due to the relaxed BSD license. Or, it can. But I'm looking for some people who have experience with freebsd, and have an interest in integrating what could be an awesome performing product using inexpensive commodity hardware. email me at pda at neofast dot net or mark at neofast dot net -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives
Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers.... Needed for WISP related product...
No, I have no url for this. I'm trying to find out and see if there's enough people interested to go through that level of work. -- From: os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 12:02 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers Needed for WISP related product... Does this rely on some unpublished feature of the current Atheros chipset which could disappear in the next evolution making the project obsolete and the effort wasted? Is there a URL for the project? Greg On Dec 1, 2009, at 12:56 AM, MDK wrote: Actually, it's far better than cost-effective. It's flexible, in both hardware and capabilities.Firewall, routing, routing daemons, and other things. Frankly, I find the physical aspects of the Airmax stuff frustratingly limited. I've grown fond of my immense ability to do creative stuff with Star-OS and a wide array of physical forms - especially since much of my network relies on low power consumption. AirMax, deployed as an AP and clients... seems ok.But that's only a small part of a good network. -- From: Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 8:51 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers Needed for WISP related product... Availability is supposedly resolved. We'll see. Routing... there is a full SDK. You can do anything you want on those things. The new ones have 400+MHz proc's, plenty to do some routing/firewalling. I just can't see a home grown solution like you're proposing being cost-effective. We spent about 2 months on a project just like this, and started to have some pretty awesome performance and results. Then UBNT stuff came out. On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 9:39 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Given UBNT's record of unavailability of product, and the inability to route via the interface, I vastly prefer this to UBNT's products. Now, mind you, I'm not really putting them down, but this is an excellent infrastructure tool...Routing and other capabilities that vastly exceed some better known... -- From: Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 8:25 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers Needed for WISP related product... Is there really much need for this, given the new AirMax product line? I'm just saying... On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 9:19 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: What would you call a totally proprietary, TDMA based protocol, without ACK or CSMA? Doesn't look a whole lot like 802.11x, but if you wish to say it is, then, for you it is :) -- From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 7:36 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers Needed for WISP related product... If you are using Atheros based hardware, it's still 802.11... regardless of what software you put on top of it. Travis Microserv MDK wrote: If you're a WISP and have interest in using commodity - off the shelf - Atheros based hardware to achieve higher than ethernet speeds over wireless... This is not a tweak of 802.11, it is a completely different mode... There is currently an opportunity to do so, where most of the work has been done by various others in the FreeBSd community, but it is not integrated or packaged as a useful WISP product, and that's what needs to be done. This does not need to result in an open source release, due to the relaxed BSD license. Or, it can. But I'm looking for some people who have experience with freebsd, and have an interest in integrating what could be an awesome performing product using inexpensive commodity hardware. email me at pda at neofast dot net or mark at neofast dot net -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers.... Needed for WISP related product...
I thought the same thing. UBNT is already trying to work the ACK out of the Airmax, was supposed to be out in the newest firmware but it's still there. So we'll see ACK gone soon already in their airmax line, which is TDMA MIMO. I'm sure someone can put their own twist on it as well for another propriety system but it would have to add a lot to what Ubiquiti is already doing to get much attention from me. Possibly as a third party open source firmware it could have a life. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 11:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers Needed for WISP related product... Is there really much need for this, given the new AirMax product line? I'm just saying... On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 9:19 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: What would you call a totally proprietary, TDMA based protocol, without ACK or CSMA? Doesn't look a whole lot like 802.11x, but if you wish to say it is, then, for you it is :) -- From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 7:36 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers Needed for WISP related product... If you are using Atheros based hardware, it's still 802.11... regardless of what software you put on top of it. Travis Microserv MDK wrote: If you're a WISP and have interest in using commodity - off the shelf - Atheros based hardware to achieve higher than ethernet speeds over wireless... This is not a tweak of 802.11, it is a completely different mode... There is currently an opportunity to do so, where most of the work has been done by various others in the FreeBSd community, but it is not integrated or packaged as a useful WISP product, and that's what needs to be done. This does not need to result in an open source release, due to the relaxed BSD license. Or, it can. But I'm looking for some people who have experience with freebsd, and have an interest in integrating what could be an awesome performing product using inexpensive commodity hardware. email me at pda at neofast dot net or mark at neofast dot net -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers.... Needed for WISP related product...
Exactly! You had how many people working on your project? What resources did you have available? Then Ubiquiti comes in and trumps it all! With that I'd just do a wait and see for what UBNT comes out with. I'm sure there isn't much they haven't been trying that we couldn't think of ourselves. I'm sure even though you feel those 2 months were wasted that you got a lot of learning from it. That's invaluable no matter how you look at it. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 11:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers Needed for WISP related product... Availability is supposedly resolved. We'll see. Routing... there is a full SDK. You can do anything you want on those things. The new ones have 400+MHz proc's, plenty to do some routing/firewalling. I just can't see a home grown solution like you're proposing being cost-effective. We spent about 2 months on a project just like this, and started to have some pretty awesome performance and results. Then UBNT stuff came out. On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 9:39 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Given UBNT's record of unavailability of product, and the inability to route via the interface, I vastly prefer this to UBNT's products. Now, mind you, I'm not really putting them down, but this is an excellent infrastructure tool...Routing and other capabilities that vastly exceed some better known... -- From: Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 8:25 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers Needed for WISP related product... Is there really much need for this, given the new AirMax product line? I'm just saying... On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 9:19 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: What would you call a totally proprietary, TDMA based protocol, without ACK or CSMA? Doesn't look a whole lot like 802.11x, but if you wish to say it is, then, for you it is :) -- From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 7:36 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers Needed for WISP related product... If you are using Atheros based hardware, it's still 802.11... regardless of what software you put on top of it. Travis Microserv MDK wrote: If you're a WISP and have interest in using commodity - off the shelf - Atheros based hardware to achieve higher than ethernet speeds over wireless... This is not a tweak of 802.11, it is a completely different mode... There is currently an opportunity to do so, where most of the work has been done by various others in the FreeBSd community, but it is not integrated or packaged as a useful WISP product, and that's what needs to be done. This does not need to result in an open source release, due to the relaxed BSD license. Or, it can. But I'm looking for some people who have experience with freebsd, and have an interest in integrating what could be an awesome performing product using inexpensive commodity hardware. email me at pda at neofast dot net or mark at neofast dot net -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers.... Needed for WISP related product...
Which isn't "true" TDMA as the term has conventionally been used. ;) Travis Microserv Randy Cosby wrote: I think what we're talking about is the TDMA package for Freebsd (which is probably exactly what is being used by UBNT). http://people.freebsd.org/~sam/TDMAPresentation-20090921.pdf Randy Travis Johnson wrote: I think everything you have described can be done now with Mikrotik routing, firewall, routing daemons, scripting, etc. also being able to use $50 boards up to $1,000 X86 based systems moving gigabits of traffic. All with standard parts. So what would this FreeBSD system bring to the table that can't be done already? Travis Microserv MDK wrote: Actually, it's far better than cost-effective. It's flexible, in both hardware and capabilities.Firewall, routing, routing daemons, and other things. Frankly, I find the physical aspects of the Airmax stuff frustratingly limited. I've grown fond of my immense ability to do creative stuff with Star-OS and a wide array of physical forms - especially since much of my network relies on low power consumption. AirMax, deployed as an AP and clients... seems ok.But that's only a small part of a good network. -- From: "Jayson Baker" jay...@spectrasurf.com Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 8:51 PM To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers Needed for WISP related product... Availability is supposedly resolved. We'll see. Routing... there is a full SDK. You can do anything you want on those things. The new ones have 400+MHz proc's, plenty to do some routing/firewalling. I just can't see a home grown solution like you're proposing being cost-effective. We spent about 2 months on a project just like this, and started to have some pretty awesome performance and results. Then UBNT stuff came out. On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 9:39 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Given UBNT's record of unavailability of product, and the inability to route via the interface, I vastly prefer this to UBNT's products. Now, mind you, I'm not really putting them down, but this is an excellent infrastructure tool...Routing and other capabilities that vastly exceed some better known... -- From: "Jayson Baker" jay...@spectrasurf.com Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 8:25 PM To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers Needed for WISP related product... Is there really much need for this, given the new AirMax product line? I'm just saying... On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 9:19 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: What would you call a totally proprietary, TDMA based protocol, without ACK or CSMA? Doesn't look a whole lot like 802.11x, but if you wish to say it is, then, for you it is :) -- From: "Travis Johnson" t...@ida.net Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 7:36 PM To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers Needed for WISP related product... If you are using Atheros based hardware, it's still 802.11... regardless of what software you put on top of it. Travis Microserv MDK wrote: If you're a WISP and have interest in using commodity - off the shelf - Atheros based hardware to achieve higher than ethernet speeds over wireless... This is not a tweak of 802.11, it is a completely different mode... There is currently an opportunity to do so, where most of the work has been done by various others in the FreeBSd community, but it is not integrated or packaged as a useful WISP product, and that's what needs to be done. This does not need to result in an open source release, due to the relaxed BSD license. Or, it can. But I'm looking for some people who have experience with freebsd, and have an interest in integrating what could be an awesome performing product using inexpensive commodity har
Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers.... Needed for WISP related product...
True, but MT has had a lot of issues over the years with N-Streme. Alvarion (AFAIK, just works). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 12:19 AM To: e...@wisp-router.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers Needed for WISP related product... On Tue, 2009-12-01 at 04:25 +, e...@wisp-router.com wrote: Tell that to Alvarion. Or Mikrotik for that matter. Nstreme != 802.11 -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers.... Needed for WISP related product...
On Tue, 2009-12-01 at 10:27 -0600, Mike Hammett wrote: True, but MT has had a lot of issues over the years with N-Streme. Alvarion (AFAIK, just works). I'm not aware of anyone wanting to go back in time. What used to be true isn't now, and I prefer living in the here and now. BTW, nstreme is the correct spelling. ;-) Either way, I was specifically addressing the question of what is (and isn't) 802.11 running on Atheros. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers.... Needed for WISP related product...
I dunno about that, Butch. I had a lot more fun in my late teens\early 20s... before I came down with the WISP illness. Sometimes I wish I could go back in time. :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 12:43 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers Needed for WISP related product... On Tue, 2009-12-01 at 10:27 -0600, Mike Hammett wrote: True, but MT has had a lot of issues over the years with N-Streme. Alvarion (AFAIK, just works). I'm not aware of anyone wanting to go back in time. What used to be true isn't now, and I prefer living in the here and now. BTW, nstreme is the correct spelling. ;-) Either way, I was specifically addressing the question of what is (and isn't) 802.11 running on Atheros. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers.... Needed for WISP related product...
On Tue, 2009-12-01 at 12:52 -0600, Mike Hammett wrote: I dunno about that, Butch. I had a lot more fun in my late teens\early 20s... before I came down with the WISP illness. Sometimes I wish I could go back in time. :-p Yeah...there's no cure for that disease, either. SIGH. You'd think I'd have formed an immunity by now. :-) -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers.... Needed for WISP related product...
Oh heck no! I'd NEVER live through it the second time! At 12:52 PM 12/1/2009, you wrote: I dunno about that, Butch. I had a lot more fun in my late teens\early 20s... before I came down with the WISP illness. Sometimes I wish I could go back in time. :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 12:43 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers Needed for WISP related product... On Tue, 2009-12-01 at 10:27 -0600, Mike Hammett wrote: True, but MT has had a lot of issues over the years with N-Streme. Alvarion (AFAIK, just works). I'm not aware of anyone wanting to go back in time. What used to be true isn't now, and I prefer living in the here and now. BTW, nstreme is the correct spelling. ;-) Either way, I was specifically addressing the question of what is (and isn't) 802.11 running on Atheros. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers.... Needed for WISP related product...
Perhaps he's now just a carrier... ;-) Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 2:59 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers Needed for WISP related product... On Tue, 2009-12-01 at 12:52 -0600, Mike Hammett wrote: I dunno about that, Butch. I had a lot more fun in my late teens\early 20s... before I came down with the WISP illness. Sometimes I wish I could go back in time. :-p Yeah...there's no cure for that disease, either. SIGH. You'd think I'd have formed an immunity by now. :-) -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers.... Needed for WISP related product...
So does page 16 imply that a GPS system could be used? It sounds like these new Atheros chipsets have TDMA hardware on them. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 12:19 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers Needed for WISP related product... I think what we're talking about is the TDMA package for Freebsd (which is probably exactly what is being used by UBNT). http://people.freebsd.org/~sam/TDMAPresentation-20090921.pdf Randy Travis Johnson wrote: I think everything you have described can be done now with Mikrotik routing, firewall, routing daemons, scripting, etc. also being able to use $50 boards up to $1,000 X86 based systems moving gigabits of traffic. All with standard parts. So what would this FreeBSD system bring to the table that can't be done already? Travis Microserv MDK wrote: Actually, it's far better than cost-effective. It's flexible, in both hardware and capabilities.Firewall, routing, routing daemons, and other things. Frankly, I find the physical aspects of the Airmax stuff frustratingly limited. I've grown fond of my immense ability to do creative stuff with Star-OS and a wide array of physical forms - especially since much of my network relies on low power consumption. AirMax, deployed as an AP and clients... seems ok.But that's only a small part of a good network. -- From: Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 8:51 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers Needed for WISP related product... Availability is supposedly resolved. We'll see. Routing... there is a full SDK. You can do anything you want on those things. The new ones have 400+MHz proc's, plenty to do some routing/firewalling. I just can't see a home grown solution like you're proposing being cost-effective. We spent about 2 months on a project just like this, and started to have some pretty awesome performance and results. Then UBNT stuff came out. On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 9:39 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Given UBNT's record of unavailability of product, and the inability to route via the interface, I vastly prefer this to UBNT's products. Now, mind you, I'm not really putting them down, but this is an excellent infrastructure tool...Routing and other capabilities that vastly exceed some better known... -- From: Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 8:25 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers Needed for WISP related product... Is there really much need for this, given the new AirMax product line? I'm just saying... On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 9:19 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: What would you call a totally proprietary, TDMA based protocol, without ACK or CSMA? Doesn't look a whole lot like 802.11x, but if you wish to say it is, then, for you it is :) -- From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 7:36 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers Needed for WISP related product... If you are using Atheros based hardware, it's still 802.11... regardless of what software you put on top of it. Travis Microserv MDK wrote: If you're a WISP and have interest in using commodity - off the shelf - Atheros based hardware to achieve higher than ethernet speeds over wireless... This is not a tweak of 802.11, it is a completely different mode... There is currently an opportunity to do so, where most of the work has been done by various others in the FreeBSd community, but it is not integrated or packaged as a useful WISP product, and that's what needs to be done. This does not need to result in an open source release, due to the relaxed BSD license. Or, it can. But I'm looking for some people who have experience with freebsd, and have an interest in integrating what could be an awesome performing product using inexpensive commodity hardware. email me at pda at neofast dot net or mark at neofast dot net -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers.... Needed for WISP related product...
I think it's a fairly big project, although a lot of the fine work has been done. I started drooling when reading the paper a few weeks ago. It would be a kicker to have an open-source multi-platform TDMA implementation. UBNT has encouraged open source firmware on their platforms for a long time, and a RouterBoard implementation would be sweet. Getting synch on backhaul links would be killer for example. Unfortunately I wouldn't recognize FreeBSD if I tripped over it, so can't be much help there. George -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 4:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers Needed for WISP related product... So does page 16 imply that a GPS system could be used? It sounds like these new Atheros chipsets have TDMA hardware on them. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 12:19 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers Needed for WISP related product... I think what we're talking about is the TDMA package for Freebsd (which is probably exactly what is being used by UBNT). http://people.freebsd.org/~sam/TDMAPresentation-20090921.pdf Randywireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers.... Needed for WISP related product...
I don't think so. Page 17 contrasts the FreeBSD implementation with most implementations on page 16. Mike Hammett wrote: So does page 16 imply that a GPS system could be used? It sounds like these new Atheros chipsets have TDMA hardware on them. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 12:19 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers Needed for WISP related product... I think what we're talking about is the TDMA package for Freebsd (which is probably exactly what is being used by UBNT). http://people.freebsd.org/~sam/TDMAPresentation-20090921.pdf Randy Travis Johnson wrote: I think everything you have described can be done now with Mikrotik routing, firewall, routing daemons, scripting, etc. also being able to use $50 boards up to $1,000 X86 based systems moving gigabits of traffic. All with standard parts. So what would this FreeBSD system bring to the table that can't be done already? Travis Microserv MDK wrote: Actually, it's far better than cost-effective. It's flexible, in both hardware and capabilities.Firewall, routing, routing daemons, and other things. Frankly, I find the physical aspects of the Airmax stuff frustratingly limited. I've grown fond of my immense ability to do creative stuff with Star-OS and a wide array of physical forms - especially since much of my network relies on low power consumption. AirMax, deployed as an AP and clients... seems ok.But that's only a small part of a good network. -- From: Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 8:51 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers Needed for WISP related product... Availability is supposedly resolved. We'll see. Routing... there is a full SDK. You can do anything you want on those things. The new ones have 400+MHz proc's, plenty to do some routing/firewalling. I just can't see a home grown solution like you're proposing being cost-effective. We spent about 2 months on a project just like this, and started to have some pretty awesome performance and results. Then UBNT stuff came out. On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 9:39 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Given UBNT's record of unavailability of product, and the inability to route via the interface, I vastly prefer this to UBNT's products. Now, mind you, I'm not really putting them down, but this is an excellent infrastructure tool...Routing and other capabilities that vastly exceed some better known... -- From: Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 8:25 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers Needed for WISP related product... Is there really much need for this, given the new AirMax product line? I'm just saying... On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 9:19 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: What would you call a totally proprietary, TDMA based protocol, without ACK or CSMA? Doesn't look a whole lot like 802.11x, but if you wish to say it is, then, for you it is :) -- From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 7:36 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers Needed for WISP related product... If you are using Atheros based hardware, it's still 802.11... regardless of what software you put on top of it. Travis Microserv MDK wrote: If you're a WISP and have interest in using commodity - off the shelf - Atheros based hardware to achieve higher than ethernet speeds over wireless... This is not a tweak of 802.11, it is a completely different mode... There is currently an opportunity to do so, where most of the work has been done by various others in the FreeBSd community, but it is not integrated or packaged as a useful WISP product, and that's what needs to be done. This does not need to result in an open source release, due to the relaxed BSD license. Or, it can. But I'm looking for some people who have experience with freebsd, and have an interest in integrating what could be an awesome performing product using inexpensive commodity hardware. email me at pda at neofast dot net or mark at neofast dot net
[WISPA] FreeBSD hackers.... Needed for WISP related product...
If you're a WISP and have interest in using commodity - off the shelf - Atheros based hardware to achieve higher than ethernet speeds over wireless... This is not a tweak of 802.11, it is a completely different mode... There is currently an opportunity to do so, where most of the work has been done by various others in the FreeBSd community, but it is not integrated or packaged as a useful WISP product, and that's what needs to be done. This does not need to result in an open source release, due to the relaxed BSD license. Or, it can. But I'm looking for some people who have experience with freebsd, and have an interest in integrating what could be an awesome performing product using inexpensive commodity hardware. email me at pda at neofast dot net or mark at neofast dot net -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers.... Needed for WISP related product...
If you are using Atheros based hardware, it's still 802.11... regardless of what software you put on top of it. Travis Microserv MDK wrote: If you're a WISP and have interest in using commodity - off the shelf - Atheros based hardware to achieve higher than ethernet speeds over wireless... This is not a tweak of 802.11, it is a completely different mode... There is currently an opportunity to do so, where most of the work has been done by various others in the FreeBSd community, but it is not integrated or packaged as a useful WISP product, and that's what needs to be done. This does not need to result in an open source release, due to the relaxed BSD license. Or, it can. But I'm looking for some people who have experience with freebsd, and have an interest in integrating what could be an awesome performing product using inexpensive commodity hardware. email me at pda at neofast dot net or mark at neofast dot net -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers.... Needed for WISP related product...
What would you call a totally proprietary, TDMA based protocol, without ACK or CSMA? Doesn't look a whole lot like 802.11x, but if you wish to say it is, then, for you it is :) -- From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 7:36 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers Needed for WISP related product... If you are using Atheros based hardware, it's still 802.11... regardless of what software you put on top of it. Travis Microserv MDK wrote: If you're a WISP and have interest in using commodity - off the shelf - Atheros based hardware to achieve higher than ethernet speeds over wireless... This is not a tweak of 802.11, it is a completely different mode... There is currently an opportunity to do so, where most of the work has been done by various others in the FreeBSd community, but it is not integrated or packaged as a useful WISP product, and that's what needs to be done. This does not need to result in an open source release, due to the relaxed BSD license. Or, it can. But I'm looking for some people who have experience with freebsd, and have an interest in integrating what could be an awesome performing product using inexpensive commodity hardware. email me at pda at neofast dot net or mark at neofast dot net -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers.... Needed for WISP related product...
Is there really much need for this, given the new AirMax product line? I'm just saying... On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 9:19 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: What would you call a totally proprietary, TDMA based protocol, without ACK or CSMA? Doesn't look a whole lot like 802.11x, but if you wish to say it is, then, for you it is :) -- From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 7:36 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers Needed for WISP related product... If you are using Atheros based hardware, it's still 802.11... regardless of what software you put on top of it. Travis Microserv MDK wrote: If you're a WISP and have interest in using commodity - off the shelf - Atheros based hardware to achieve higher than ethernet speeds over wireless... This is not a tweak of 802.11, it is a completely different mode... There is currently an opportunity to do so, where most of the work has been done by various others in the FreeBSd community, but it is not integrated or packaged as a useful WISP product, and that's what needs to be done. This does not need to result in an open source release, due to the relaxed BSD license. Or, it can. But I'm looking for some people who have experience with freebsd, and have an interest in integrating what could be an awesome performing product using inexpensive commodity hardware. email me at pda at neofast dot net or mark at neofast dot net -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers.... Needed for WISP related product...
Tell that to Alvarion. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 20:36:28 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers Needed for WISP related product... If you are using Atheros based hardware, it's still 802.11... regardless of what software you put on top of it. Travis Microserv MDK wrote: If you're a WISP and have interest in using commodity - off the shelf - Atheros based hardware to achieve higher than ethernet speeds over wireless... This is not a tweak of 802.11, it is a completely different mode... There is currently an opportunity to do so, where most of the work has been done by various others in the FreeBSd community, but it is not integrated or packaged as a useful WISP product, and that's what needs to be done. This does not need to result in an open source release, due to the relaxed BSD license. Or, it can. But I'm looking for some people who have experience with freebsd, and have an interest in integrating what could be an awesome performing product using inexpensive commodity hardware. email me at pda at neofast dot net or mark at neofast dot net -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers.... Needed for WISP related product...
Actually, it's far better than cost-effective. It's flexible, in both hardware and capabilities.Firewall, routing, routing daemons, and other things. Frankly, I find the physical aspects of the Airmax stuff frustratingly limited. I've grown fond of my immense ability to do creative stuff with Star-OS and a wide array of physical forms - especially since much of my network relies on low power consumption. AirMax, deployed as an AP and clients... seems ok.But that's only a small part of a good network. -- From: Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 8:51 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers Needed for WISP related product... Availability is supposedly resolved. We'll see. Routing... there is a full SDK. You can do anything you want on those things. The new ones have 400+MHz proc's, plenty to do some routing/firewalling. I just can't see a home grown solution like you're proposing being cost-effective. We spent about 2 months on a project just like this, and started to have some pretty awesome performance and results. Then UBNT stuff came out. On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 9:39 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Given UBNT's record of unavailability of product, and the inability to route via the interface, I vastly prefer this to UBNT's products. Now, mind you, I'm not really putting them down, but this is an excellent infrastructure tool...Routing and other capabilities that vastly exceed some better known... -- From: Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 8:25 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers Needed for WISP related product... Is there really much need for this, given the new AirMax product line? I'm just saying... On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 9:19 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: What would you call a totally proprietary, TDMA based protocol, without ACK or CSMA? Doesn't look a whole lot like 802.11x, but if you wish to say it is, then, for you it is :) -- From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 7:36 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers Needed for WISP related product... If you are using Atheros based hardware, it's still 802.11... regardless of what software you put on top of it. Travis Microserv MDK wrote: If you're a WISP and have interest in using commodity - off the shelf - Atheros based hardware to achieve higher than ethernet speeds over wireless... This is not a tweak of 802.11, it is a completely different mode... There is currently an opportunity to do so, where most of the work has been done by various others in the FreeBSd community, but it is not integrated or packaged as a useful WISP product, and that's what needs to be done. This does not need to result in an open source release, due to the relaxed BSD license. Or, it can. But I'm looking for some people who have experience with freebsd, and have an interest in integrating what could be an awesome performing product using inexpensive commodity hardware. email me at pda at neofast dot net or mark at neofast dot net -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join
Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers.... Needed for WISP related product...
I think everything you have described can be done now with Mikrotik routing, firewall, routing daemons, scripting, etc. also being able to use $50 boards up to $1,000 X86 based systems moving gigabits of traffic. All with standard parts. So what would this FreeBSD system bring to the table that can't be done already? Travis Microserv MDK wrote: Actually, it's far better than cost-effective. It's flexible, in both hardware and capabilities.Firewall, routing, routing daemons, and other things. Frankly, I find the physical aspects of the Airmax stuff frustratingly limited. I've grown fond of my immense ability to do creative stuff with Star-OS and a wide array of physical forms - especially since much of my network relies on low power consumption. AirMax, deployed as an AP and clients... seems ok.But that's only a small part of a good network. -- From: "Jayson Baker" jay...@spectrasurf.com Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 8:51 PM To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers.... Needed for WISP related product... Availability is supposedly resolved. We'll see. Routing... there is a full SDK. You can do anything you want on those things. The new ones have 400+MHz proc's, plenty to do some routing/firewalling. I just can't see a home grown solution like you're proposing being cost-effective. We spent about 2 months on a project just like this, and started to have some pretty awesome performance and results. Then UBNT stuff came out. On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 9:39 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Given UBNT's record of unavailability of product, and the inability to route via the interface, I vastly prefer this to UBNT's products. Now, mind you, I'm not really putting them down, but this is an excellent infrastructure tool...Routing and other capabilities that vastly exceed some better known... -- From: "Jayson Baker" jay...@spectrasurf.com Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 8:25 PM To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers Needed for WISP related product... Is there really much need for this, given the new AirMax product line? I'm just saying... On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 9:19 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: What would you call a totally proprietary, TDMA based protocol, without ACK or CSMA? Doesn't look a whole lot like 802.11x, but if you wish to say it is, then, for you it is :) -- From: "Travis Johnson" t...@ida.net Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 7:36 PM To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers Needed for WISP related product... If you are using Atheros based hardware, it's still 802.11... regardless of what software you put on top of it. Travis Microserv MDK wrote: If you're a WISP and have interest in using commodity - off the shelf - Atheros based hardware to achieve higher than ethernet speeds over wireless... This is not a tweak of 802.11, it is a completely different mode... There is currently an opportunity to do so, where most of the work has been done by various others in the FreeBSd community, but it is not integrated or packaged as a useful WISP product, and that's what needs to be done. This does not need to result in an open source release, due to the relaxed BSD license. Or, it can. But I'm looking for some people who have experience with freebsd, and have an interest in integrating what could be an awesome performing product using inexpensive commodity hardware. email me at pda at neofast dot net or mark at neofast dot net -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/w
Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers.... Needed for WISP related product...
I think what we're talking about is the TDMA package for Freebsd (which is probably exactly what is being used by UBNT). http://people.freebsd.org/~sam/TDMAPresentation-20090921.pdf Randy Travis Johnson wrote: I think everything you have described can be done now with Mikrotik routing, firewall, routing daemons, scripting, etc. also being able to use $50 boards up to $1,000 X86 based systems moving gigabits of traffic. All with standard parts. So what would this FreeBSD system bring to the table that can't be done already? Travis Microserv MDK wrote: Actually, it's far better than cost-effective. It's flexible, in both hardware and capabilities.Firewall, routing, routing daemons, and other things. Frankly, I find the physical aspects of the Airmax stuff frustratingly limited. I've grown fond of my immense ability to do creative stuff with Star-OS and a wide array of physical forms - especially since much of my network relies on low power consumption. AirMax, deployed as an AP and clients... seems ok.But that's only a small part of a good network. -- From: Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 8:51 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers Needed for WISP related product... Availability is supposedly resolved. We'll see. Routing... there is a full SDK. You can do anything you want on those things. The new ones have 400+MHz proc's, plenty to do some routing/firewalling. I just can't see a home grown solution like you're proposing being cost-effective. We spent about 2 months on a project just like this, and started to have some pretty awesome performance and results. Then UBNT stuff came out. On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 9:39 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Given UBNT's record of unavailability of product, and the inability to route via the interface, I vastly prefer this to UBNT's products. Now, mind you, I'm not really putting them down, but this is an excellent infrastructure tool...Routing and other capabilities that vastly exceed some better known... -- From: Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 8:25 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers Needed for WISP related product... Is there really much need for this, given the new AirMax product line? I'm just saying... On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 9:19 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: What would you call a totally proprietary, TDMA based protocol, without ACK or CSMA? Doesn't look a whole lot like 802.11x, but if you wish to say it is, then, for you it is :) -- From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 7:36 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers Needed for WISP related product... If you are using Atheros based hardware, it's still 802.11... regardless of what software you put on top of it. Travis Microserv MDK wrote: If you're a WISP and have interest in using commodity - off the shelf - Atheros based hardware to achieve higher than ethernet speeds over wireless... This is not a tweak of 802.11, it is a completely different mode... There is currently an opportunity to do so, where most of the work has been done by various others in the FreeBSd community, but it is not integrated or packaged as a useful WISP product, and that's what needs to be done. This does not need to result in an open source release, due to the relaxed BSD license. Or, it can. But I'm looking for some people who have experience with freebsd, and have an interest in integrating what could be an awesome performing product using inexpensive commodity hardware. email me at pda at neofast dot net or mark at neofast dot net -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe
Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers.... Needed for WISP related product...
How is Nstreme working now days? I have not tried it on anything except PTP for a few years now. The last time I tried it on an AP it was pretty rough. Latency was very unstable and throughput wasn't all that great. I had read that there was a new version in the test package a while back but never got around to trying it again. Chadd -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 12:20 AM To: e...@wisp-router.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers Needed for WISP related product... On Tue, 2009-12-01 at 04:25 +, e...@wisp-router.com wrote: Tell that to Alvarion. Or Mikrotik for that matter. Nstreme != 802.11 -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.88/2537 - Release Date: 11/30/09 21:05:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers.... Needed for WISP related product...
Well, for starters, it is NOT MikroTik. That alone is worth more than a Visa commercial From: Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 10:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers Needed for WISP related product... I think everything you have described can be done now with Mikrotik routing, firewall, routing daemons, scripting, etc. also being able to use $50 boards up to $1,000 X86 based systems moving gigabits of traffic. All with standard parts. So what would this FreeBSD system bring to the table that can't be done already? Travis Microserv MDK wrote: Actually, it's far better than cost-effective. It's flexible, in both hardware and capabilities.Firewall, routing, routing daemons, and other things. Frankly, I find the physical aspects of the Airmax stuff frustratingly limited. I've grown fond of my immense ability to do creative stuff with Star-OS and a wide array of physical forms - especially since much of my network relies on low power consumption. AirMax, deployed as an AP and clients... seems ok.But that's only a small part of a good network. -- From: Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 8:51 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers Needed for WISP related product... Availability is supposedly resolved. We'll see. Routing... there is a full SDK. You can do anything you want on those things. The new ones have 400+MHz proc's, plenty to do some routing/firewalling. I just can't see a home grown solution like you're proposing being cost-effective. We spent about 2 months on a project just like this, and started to have some pretty awesome performance and results. Then UBNT stuff came out. On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 9:39 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Given UBNT's record of unavailability of product, and the inability to route via the interface, I vastly prefer this to UBNT's products. Now, mind you, I'm not really putting them down, but this is an excellent infrastructure tool...Routing and other capabilities that vastly exceed some better known... -- From: Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 8:25 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers Needed for WISP related product... Is there really much need for this, given the new AirMax product line? I'm just saying... On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 9:19 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: What would you call a totally proprietary, TDMA based protocol, without ACK or CSMA? Doesn't look a whole lot like 802.11x, but if you wish to say it is, then, for you it is :) -- From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 7:36 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers Needed for WISP related product... If you are using Atheros based hardware, it's still 802.11... regardless of what software you put on top of it. Travis Microserv MDK wrote: If you're a WISP and have interest in using commodity - off the shelf - Atheros based hardware to achieve higher than ethernet speeds over wireless... This is not a tweak of 802.11, it is a completely different mode... There is currently an opportunity to do so, where most of the work has been done by various others in the FreeBSd community, but it is not integrated or packaged as a useful WISP product, and that's what needs to be done. This does not need to result in an open source release, due to the relaxed BSD license. Or, it can. But I'm looking for some people who have experience with freebsd, and have an interest in integrating what could be an awesome performing product using inexpensive commodity hardware. email me at pda at neofast dot net or mark at neofast dot net -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers.... Needed for WISP related product...
I don't think UBNT is using it. -- From: Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 10:19 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers Needed for WISP related product... I think what we're talking about is the TDMA package for Freebsd (which is probably exactly what is being used by UBNT). http://people.freebsd.org/~sam/TDMAPresentation-20090921.pdf Randy Travis Johnson wrote: I think everything you have described can be done now with Mikrotik routing, firewall, routing daemons, scripting, etc. also being able to use $50 boards up to $1,000 X86 based systems moving gigabits of traffic. All with standard parts. So what would this FreeBSD system bring to the table that can't be done already? Travis Microserv MDK wrote: Actually, it's far better than cost-effective. It's flexible, in both hardware and capabilities.Firewall, routing, routing daemons, and other things. Frankly, I find the physical aspects of the Airmax stuff frustratingly limited. I've grown fond of my immense ability to do creative stuff with Star-OS and a wide array of physical forms - especially since much of my network relies on low power consumption. AirMax, deployed as an AP and clients... seems ok.But that's only a small part of a good network. -- From: Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 8:51 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers Needed for WISP related product... Availability is supposedly resolved. We'll see. Routing... there is a full SDK. You can do anything you want on those things. The new ones have 400+MHz proc's, plenty to do some routing/firewalling. I just can't see a home grown solution like you're proposing being cost-effective. We spent about 2 months on a project just like this, and started to have some pretty awesome performance and results. Then UBNT stuff came out. On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 9:39 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Given UBNT's record of unavailability of product, and the inability to route via the interface, I vastly prefer this to UBNT's products. Now, mind you, I'm not really putting them down, but this is an excellent infrastructure tool...Routing and other capabilities that vastly exceed some better known... -- From: Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 8:25 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers Needed for WISP related product... Is there really much need for this, given the new AirMax product line? I'm just saying... On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 9:19 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: What would you call a totally proprietary, TDMA based protocol, without ACK or CSMA? Doesn't look a whole lot like 802.11x, but if you wish to say it is, then, for you it is :) -- From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 7:36 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers Needed for WISP related product... If you are using Atheros based hardware, it's still 802.11... regardless of what software you put on top of it. Travis Microserv MDK wrote: If you're a WISP and have interest in using commodity - off the shelf - Atheros based hardware to achieve higher than ethernet speeds over wireless... This is not a tweak of 802.11, it is a completely different mode... There is currently an opportunity to do so, where most of the work has been done by various others in the FreeBSd community, but it is not integrated or packaged as a useful WISP product, and that's what needs to be done. This does not need to result in an open source release, due to the relaxed BSD license. Or, it can. But I'm looking for some people who have experience with freebsd, and have an interest in integrating what could be an awesome performing product using inexpensive commodity hardware. email me at pda at neofast dot net or mark at neofast dot net -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
