Re: [WISPA] Here comes the really BIG WAVE

[RickG]

more accurately reflects reality.
>>>
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  Now, we have services that WERE NOT
>>> EVEN CONCEIVABLE to me the year I got married.   We've come that far since
>>> then.
>>>
>>> Copper to my house?   Obsolete.
>>>
>>> Long distance?    I haven't paid that in years.     All it took was someone
>>> with a big enough club to force government to undo what it did "for" us.
>>> It could be so cheap and so competitive the cost would be trivial, but no,
>>> the pointy headed trolls in DC have to "give" us stuff.
>>>
>>> You know what?   I lived for years far beyond the end of the power and phone
>>> lines.   Guess what?   No big loss.    If we'd not subsidized bad ideas for
>>> so long, real innovation would have started LONG LONG LONG ago, to solve
>>> problems with real solutions, instead of cementing the past into stone with
>>> "good intentions".
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ++
>>> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
>>> 541-969-8200  509-386-4589
>>> ++
>>>
>>> --
>>> From: "Philip Dorr" 
>>> Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 11:02 PM
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Here comes the really BIG WAVE
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Your life? Telephone? Rural Utilities?
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Glenn Kelley 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> can you name me one thing that the government has given that it has
>>> not first taken?
>>>
>>> funny I keep asking - but never given an answer.
>>>
>>>
>>> Im with you MDK
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 16, 2010, at 1:20 AM, MDK wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The really big wave of mass stupidity.
>>>
>>> I can't imagine how ANYONE would want Congress's or the FCC's
>>> fingers on
>>> ANYTHING.    There is only ONE way to ensure that things get more
>>> expensive,
>>> cost us terribly, and work worse... and that's to put the people who
>>> know
>>> absolutely NOTHING about real life in charge  Washington DC.
>>>
>>> Please name for me anything that Washington DC has done for us, that
>>> is not
>>> a disaster of Biblical proportions.     You can't.    Absolutely
>>> everything
>>> they try to do "for" us is so horrible it's beyond insane.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ++
>>> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
>>> 541-969-8200  509-386-4589
>>> ++
>>>
>>> --
>>> From: "Jack Unger" 
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 9:26 AM
>>> To: "WISPA General List" ; 
>>> Subject: [WISPA] Here comes the really BIG WAVE
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> <http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/13/business/media/13fcc.html?hp=&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1268486085-Jt93CAOuKUSJEQR/ZmVkzg
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc.
>>> Network Design - Technical Training - Technical Writing
>>> Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities
>>> since
>>> 1993
>>> www.ask-wi.com  818-227-4220  jun...@ask-wi.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Here comes the really BIG WAVE

[Chuck Bartosch]

trivial, but no,
>> the pointy headed trolls in DC have to "give" us stuff.
>> 
>> You know what?   I lived for years far beyond the end of the power and phone
>> lines.   Guess what?   No big loss.If we'd not subsidized bad ideas for
>> so long, real innovation would have started LONG LONG LONG ago, to solve
>> problems with real solutions, instead of cementing the past into stone with
>> "good intentions".
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ++
>> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
>> 541-969-8200  509-386-4589
>> ++
>> 
>> --
>> From: "Philip Dorr" 
>> Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 11:02 PM
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Here comes the really BIG WAVE
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Your life? Telephone? Rural Utilities?
>> 
>> On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Glenn Kelley 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> can you name me one thing that the government has given that it has
>> not first taken?
>> 
>> funny I keep asking - but never given an answer.
>> 
>> 
>> Im with you MDK
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 16, 2010, at 1:20 AM, MDK wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The really big wave of mass stupidity.
>> 
>> I can't imagine how ANYONE would want Congress's or the FCC's
>> fingers on
>> ANYTHING.There is only ONE way to ensure that things get more
>> expensive,
>> cost us terribly, and work worse... and that's to put the people who
>> know
>> absolutely NOTHING about real life in charge  Washington DC.
>> 
>> Please name for me anything that Washington DC has done for us, that
>> is not
>> a disaster of Biblical proportions. You can't.Absolutely
>> everything
>> they try to do "for" us is so horrible it's beyond insane.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ++
>> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
>> 541-969-8200  509-386-4589
>> ++
>> 
>> --
>> From: "Jack Unger" 
>> Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 9:26 AM
>> To: "WISPA General List" ; 
>> Subject: [WISPA] Here comes the really BIG WAVE
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> <http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/13/business/media/13fcc.html?hp=&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1268486085-Jt93CAOuKUSJEQR/ZmVkzg
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc.
>> Network Design - Technical Training - Technical Writing
>> Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities
>> since
>> 1993
>> www.ask-wi.com  818-227-4220  jun...@ask-wi.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Here comes the really BIG WAVE

[RickG]

websters.com
–give (used with object)
1.to present voluntarily and without expecting compensation; bestow:
to give a birthday present to someone.

The government cant "give" anything because they get the money to pay
for such things from us, the US taxpayer. They simply take and
transfer ownership.

On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 8:47 PM, Jack Unger  wrote:
> Chuck,
>
> Thanks. You just reminded me that the government gave us the Internet too.
> From Wikipedia -
>
> The origins of the Internet reach back to the 1960s when the United States
> funded research projects of its military agencies to build robust,
> fault-tolerant and distributed computer networks. This research and a period
> of civilian funding of a new U.S. backbone by the National Science
> Foundation spawned worldwide participation in the development of new
> networking technologies and led to the commercialization of an international
> network in the mid 1990s, and resulted in the following popularization of
> countless applications in virtually every aspect of modern human life. As of
> 2009, an estimated quarter of Earth's population uses the services of the
> Internet.
>
> jack
>
>
> Chuck Bartosch wrote:
>
> On Mar 16, 2010, at 2:27 AM, MDK wrote:
>
>
>
> Government "Gave" me my life?   Really?
>
> Telephone?   Until we got the government out of it, it was horrendously
> expensive and advanced none at all.
>
>
> That isn't really true Mark. Before the government got involved you had
> multiple non-interworking telephone systems. I remember my grandfather
> telling me when I was young that people had to have a "red telephone" and a
> "blue telephone" in Minneapolis where we grew up for the two phone companies
> if you wanted to be able to call everyone with a phone. Talk about
> horrendously expensive (and not just in cost, but in time). Government
> forced a monopoly situation that for many many decades worked to our
> advantage. Eventually that was broken up when it no longer served the
> public's interest.
>
> I also remember that friends who travelled around the world coming back
> always commenting about how much more advanced and how much more reliable
> our telecom systems were than anyone else's.
>
> And no advances? Geeze, when I was a kid everyone I knew had party lines.
> Not long before that you had operators connecting calls. There were a LOT of
> advances given the core technology that was available.
>
> It is hard to see just what kind of other advances you could have had in the
> 30's, 40's, 50's and early 60's. The internet wasn't possible back then
> because home computers didn't exist and the protocols that allowed it to
> emerge didn't exist.
>
> It wasn't until the later 60's that transistors really became viable and
> allowed a lot of the dynamic advances that breaking the monopoly enabled.
> Yes, it took a decade or two to undo the the regulatory environment that by
> that point WAS holding back progress, but I respectfully submit that doing
> it decades earlier than that would have had no particular beneficial effect
> and the original intervention was hugely beneficial.
>
> Reflexively painting everything government does as bad is simplistic though
> has the benefit that it doesn't take a lot of thought. But it's a disservice
> to your own arguments and restricts your ability to influence debate and the
> position of others. It might be more useful to take a more balanced view
> that more accurately reflects reality.
>
> Chuck
>
>
>
>   Now, we have services that WERE NOT
> EVEN CONCEIVABLE to me the year I got married.   We've come that far since
> then.
>
> Copper to my house?   Obsolete.
>
> Long distance?I haven't paid that in years. All it took was someone
> with a big enough club to force government to undo what it did "for" us.
> It could be so cheap and so competitive the cost would be trivial, but no,
> the pointy headed trolls in DC have to "give" us stuff.
>
> You know what?   I lived for years far beyond the end of the power and phone
> lines.   Guess what?   No big loss.If we'd not subsidized bad ideas for
> so long, real innovation would have started LONG LONG LONG ago, to solve
> problems with real solutions, instead of cementing the past into stone with
> "good intentions".
>
>
>
> ++
> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
> 541-969-8200  509-386-4589
> ++
>
> --
> From: "Philip Dorr" 
> Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 11:02 PM
> To: &

Re: [WISPA] Here comes the really BIG WAVE

[Jack Unger]

Chuck, 

Thanks. You just reminded me that the government gave us the Internet
too. From Wikipedia - 
The origins of the Internet reach back to the
1960s when the United States funded research projects of its military
agencies to build robust, fault-tolerant and distributed computer
networks. This research and a period of civilian funding of a new U.S. backbone by the National Science Foundation
spawned worldwide participation in the development of new networking
technologies and led to the commercialization of an international
network in the mid 1990s, and resulted in the following popularization
of countless applications in virtually every aspect of modern human
life. As of 2009, an estimated quarter of Earth's population uses the
services of the Internet.
jack


Chuck Bartosch wrote:

  On Mar 16, 2010, at 2:27 AM, MDK wrote:

  
  
Government "Gave" me my life?   Really?

Telephone?   Until we got the government out of it, it was horrendously 
expensive and advanced none at all.

  
  
That isn't really true Mark. Before the government got involved you had multiple non-interworking telephone systems. I remember my grandfather telling me when I was young that people had to have a "red telephone" and a "blue telephone" in Minneapolis where we grew up for the two phone companies if you wanted to be able to call everyone with a phone. Talk about horrendously expensive (and not just in cost, but in time). Government forced a monopoly situation that for many many decades worked to our advantage. Eventually that was broken up when it no longer served the public's interest.

I also remember that friends who travelled around the world coming back always commenting about how much more advanced and how much more reliable our telecom systems were than anyone else's.

And no advances? Geeze, when I was a kid everyone I knew had party lines. Not long before that you had operators connecting calls. There were a LOT of advances given the core technology that was available. 

It is hard to see just what kind of other advances you could have had in the 30's, 40's, 50's and early 60's. The internet wasn't possible back then because home computers didn't exist and the protocols that allowed it to emerge didn't exist.

It wasn't until the later 60's that transistors really became viable and allowed a lot of the dynamic advances that breaking the monopoly enabled. Yes, it took a decade or two to undo the the regulatory environment that by that point WAS holding back progress, but I respectfully submit that doing it decades earlier than that would have had no particular beneficial effect and the original intervention was hugely beneficial.

Reflexively painting everything government does as bad is simplistic though has the benefit that it doesn't take a lot of thought. But it's a disservice to your own arguments and restricts your ability to influence debate and the position of others. It might be more useful to take a more balanced view that more accurately reflects reality.

Chuck

  
  
  Now, we have services that WERE NOT 
EVEN CONCEIVABLE to me the year I got married.   We've come that far since 
then.

Copper to my house?   Obsolete.

Long distance?I haven't paid that in years. All it took was someone 
with a big enough club to force government to undo what it did "for" us. 
It could be so cheap and so competitive the cost would be trivial, but no, 
the pointy headed trolls in DC have to "give" us stuff.

You know what?   I lived for years far beyond the end of the power and phone 
lines.   Guess what?   No big loss.If we'd not subsidized bad ideas for 
so long, real innovation would have started LONG LONG LONG ago, to solve 
problems with real solutions, instead of cementing the past into stone with 
"good intentions".



++
Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
541-969-8200  509-386-4589
++

------------------
From: "Philip Dorr" 
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 11:02 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Here comes the really BIG WAVE



  Your life? Telephone? Rural Utilities?

On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Glenn Kelley  
wrote:
  
  
can you name me one thing that the government has given that it has
not first taken?

funny I keep asking - but never given an answer.


Im with you MDK


On Mar 16, 2010, at 1:20 AM, MDK wrote:



  The really big wave of mass stupidity.

I can't imagine how ANYONE would want Congress's or the FCC's
fingers on
ANYTHING.There is only ONE way to ensure that things get more
expensive,
cost us terribly, and work worse... and that's to put the people who
know
absolutely NOTHING about real life in charge  Washing

Re: [WISPA] Here comes the really BIG WAVE

[RickG]

Mark, I for one, care. I know most here do as well too. To the rest,
learn history and see where socialism leads to.
BTW: I was one of the "angry" mobsters at the big Tea Party in DC and
proud of it.

On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 2:16 AM, MDK  wrote:
> Count me with the founding Trolls, then, Jason.     They had a determination
> to  NOT be subject to the King.   They were fanatics... they had one thing
> in mind, they never changed their mind, and they never shut up.   I consider
> those trolls to be dang good company.   If I make half the annoyances and
> irritation and state my case 1% as well, then, thanks for the compliment.
>
> Fanaticism in the defense of our liberty to conduct business, pursue
> excellence, and preserve our nation for our children is no vice.   it is the
> essence of being responsible.    The "moderns" have had their chance at
> centrally planned nations, all kinds of wacky "modern" ideas that don't
> work, and all kinds of social and economic controls, and it's an absolute
> failure.    Every aspect of everything they do is abject failure.    It's
> time for the advocates of all these things to shut up and go away.   It's
> time to get back to what we know works, and really does and has worked.
> It's called freedom.    Either we embrace it with unreserved and unyielding
> and uncompromising determination, or there's no reason for there to even BE
> a WISPA or any of us.   If the central planners get their way, not a one of
> us will be in our own business, we'll just be cogs in their utopian machine.
>
> If you want to call for federal plans or ideas for ANY NEED of the public,
> then get the hell out.   LEAVE.  GO.   You're an enemy of the future.  I'm
> absolutely SICK of seeing my nation plundered and destroyed your types.
> It's time to take our money, autonomy, responsibility, power, and decisions
> back from Washington DC, our states, and in some cases even our
> neighborhoods and go it on our own - whether it's hard, easy, fair, unfair,
> or damn freaking crushingly miserable.    Nothing they have ever done has
> been anything but a disaster, and nothing they have in mind now is any
> better.
>
> And, no, "getting our share" of some fund is NOT acceptable.    Nor
> advocating it.   It is no different than laundering money for the mob.
> You're just enabling the monster to keep growing.    If WISPA can't take a
> stand on principle and start advocating, then... It serves no useful
> purpose.   We're in a "to the death" fight for the salvation of the country,
> and we're on the losing side at the moment, because far too many will give
> up tomorrow to make it easier today.    Well, we've charged the damn card to
> the limit, gone over the limit, and have reached bankruptcy on that plan.
> Nobody in Washington DC has the freaking idea what to do to prevent the
> worst economic and social cataclysms the world may be about to see.   This
> experiment has gone on long enough.    It's time to get back to what we
> know - and what we know is what founded the country, and it works.
> There's no time left for grandly foolish experiments.    The account is
> empty, the credit lines exhausted, the treasury sold off, and the mortgages
> so deep we're far upside down.
>
> The question is, do ANY of you actually care?
>
> ++++++++++
> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
> 541-969-8200  509-386-4589
> ++
>
> --
> From: "Jason Bailey" 
> Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 10:39 PM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Here comes the really BIG WAVE
>
>> Freedom...I'm feeding the trolls...hate to see anyone hungry?I never post
>> this much,but i love watching this list and about to join $$$ with
>> wispa.All keep it up...feeding the trolls!
>>
>> --- On Tue, 3/16/10, Glenn Kelley  wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Glenn Kelley 
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Here comes the really BIG WAVE
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Date: Tuesday, March 16, 2010, 1:31 AM
>>
>>
>> can you name me one thing that the government has given that it has
>> not first taken?
>>
>> funny I keep asking - but never given an answer.
>>
>>
>> Im with you MDK
>>
>>
>> On Mar 16, 2010, at 1:20 AM, MDK wrote:
>>
>>> The really big wave of mass stupidity.
>>>
>>> I can't imagine how ANYONE would want Congress's or the FCC's
>>> fingers on
>>> ANYTHING.    There is only ON

Re: [WISPA] Here comes the really BIG WAVE

[Chuck Bartosch]

On Mar 16, 2010, at 2:27 AM, MDK wrote:

> Government "Gave" me my life?   Really?
> 
> Telephone?   Until we got the government out of it, it was horrendously 
> expensive and advanced none at all.

That isn't really true Mark. Before the government got involved you had 
multiple non-interworking telephone systems. I remember my grandfather telling 
me when I was young that people had to have a "red telephone" and a "blue 
telephone" in Minneapolis where we grew up for the two phone companies if you 
wanted to be able to call everyone with a phone. Talk about horrendously 
expensive (and not just in cost, but in time). Government forced a monopoly 
situation that for many many decades worked to our advantage. Eventually that 
was broken up when it no longer served the public's interest.

I also remember that friends who travelled around the world coming back always 
commenting about how much more advanced and how much more reliable our telecom 
systems were than anyone else's.

And no advances? Geeze, when I was a kid everyone I knew had party lines. Not 
long before that you had operators connecting calls. There were a LOT of 
advances given the core technology that was available. 

It is hard to see just what kind of other advances you could have had in the 
30's, 40's, 50's and early 60's. The internet wasn't possible back then because 
home computers didn't exist and the protocols that allowed it to emerge didn't 
exist.

It wasn't until the later 60's that transistors really became viable and 
allowed a lot of the dynamic advances that breaking the monopoly enabled. Yes, 
it took a decade or two to undo the the regulatory environment that by that 
point WAS holding back progress, but I respectfully submit that doing it 
decades earlier than that would have had no particular beneficial effect and 
the original intervention was hugely beneficial.

Reflexively painting everything government does as bad is simplistic though has 
the benefit that it doesn't take a lot of thought. But it's a disservice to 
your own arguments and restricts your ability to influence debate and the 
position of others. It might be more useful to take a more balanced view that 
more accurately reflects reality.

Chuck

>   Now, we have services that WERE NOT 
> EVEN CONCEIVABLE to me the year I got married.   We've come that far since 
> then.
> 
> Copper to my house?   Obsolete.
> 
> Long distance?I haven't paid that in years. All it took was someone 
> with a big enough club to force government to undo what it did "for" us. 
> It could be so cheap and so competitive the cost would be trivial, but no, 
> the pointy headed trolls in DC have to "give" us stuff.
> 
> You know what?   I lived for years far beyond the end of the power and phone 
> lines.   Guess what?   No big loss.If we'd not subsidized bad ideas for 
> so long, real innovation would have started LONG LONG LONG ago, to solve 
> problems with real solutions, instead of cementing the past into stone with 
> "good intentions".
> 
> 
> 
> ++
> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
> 541-969-8200  509-386-4589
> ++
> 
> --
> From: "Philip Dorr" 
> Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 11:02 PM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Here comes the really BIG WAVE
> 
>> Your life? Telephone? Rural Utilities?
>> 
>> On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Glenn Kelley  
>> wrote:
>>> can you name me one thing that the government has given that it has
>>> not first taken?
>>> 
>>> funny I keep asking - but never given an answer.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Im with you MDK
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mar 16, 2010, at 1:20 AM, MDK wrote:
>>> 
>>>> The really big wave of mass stupidity.
>>>> 
>>>> I can't imagine how ANYONE would want Congress's or the FCC's
>>>> fingers on
>>>> ANYTHING.There is only ONE way to ensure that things get more
>>>> expensive,
>>>> cost us terribly, and work worse... and that's to put the people who
>>>> know
>>>> absolutely NOTHING about real life in charge  Washington DC.
>>>> 
>>>> Please name for me anything that Washington DC has done for us, that
>>>> is not
>>>> a disaster of Biblical proportions. You can't.Absolutely
>>>> everything
>>>> they try to do "for" us is so horrible it's beyond insane.
>>>> 
>>>> 

Re: [WISPA] Here comes the really BIG WAVE

[MDK]

Government "Gave" me my life?   Really?

Telephone?   Until we got the government out of it, it was horrendously 
expensive and advanced none at all.   Now, we have services that WERE NOT 
EVEN CONCEIVABLE to me the year I got married.   We've come that far since 
then.

Copper to my house?   Obsolete.

Long distance?I haven't paid that in years. All it took was someone 
with a big enough club to force government to undo what it did "for" us. 
It could be so cheap and so competitive the cost would be trivial, but no, 
the pointy headed trolls in DC have to "give" us stuff.

You know what?   I lived for years far beyond the end of the power and phone 
lines.   Guess what?   No big loss.If we'd not subsidized bad ideas for 
so long, real innovation would have started LONG LONG LONG ago, to solve 
problems with real solutions, instead of cementing the past into stone with 
"good intentions".



++
Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
541-969-8200  509-386-4589
++

--
From: "Philip Dorr" 
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 11:02 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Here comes the really BIG WAVE

> Your life? Telephone? Rural Utilities?
>
> On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Glenn Kelley  
> wrote:
>> can you name me one thing that the government has given that it has
>> not first taken?
>>
>> funny I keep asking - but never given an answer.
>>
>>
>> Im with you MDK
>>
>>
>> On Mar 16, 2010, at 1:20 AM, MDK wrote:
>>
>>> The really big wave of mass stupidity.
>>>
>>> I can't imagine how ANYONE would want Congress's or the FCC's
>>> fingers on
>>> ANYTHING.There is only ONE way to ensure that things get more
>>> expensive,
>>> cost us terribly, and work worse... and that's to put the people who
>>> know
>>> absolutely NOTHING about real life in charge  Washington DC.
>>>
>>> Please name for me anything that Washington DC has done for us, that
>>> is not
>>> a disaster of Biblical proportions. You can't.Absolutely
>>> everything
>>> they try to do "for" us is so horrible it's beyond insane.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ++
>>> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
>>> 541-969-8200  509-386-4589
>>> ++
>>>
>>> --
>>> From: "Jack Unger" 
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 9:26 AM
>>> To: "WISPA General List" ; 
>>> Subject: [WISPA] Here comes the really BIG WAVE
>>>
>>>>
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>>>> >
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Re: [WISPA] Here comes the really BIG WAVE

[MDK]

Count me with the founding Trolls, then, Jason. They had a determination 
to  NOT be subject to the King.   They were fanatics... they had one thing 
in mind, they never changed their mind, and they never shut up.   I consider 
those trolls to be dang good company.   If I make half the annoyances and 
irritation and state my case 1% as well, then, thanks for the compliment.

Fanaticism in the defense of our liberty to conduct business, pursue 
excellence, and preserve our nation for our children is no vice.   it is the 
essence of being responsible.The "moderns" have had their chance at 
centrally planned nations, all kinds of wacky "modern" ideas that don't 
work, and all kinds of social and economic controls, and it's an absolute 
failure.Every aspect of everything they do is abject failure.It's 
time for the advocates of all these things to shut up and go away.   It's 
time to get back to what we know works, and really does and has worked. 
It's called freedom.Either we embrace it with unreserved and unyielding 
and uncompromising determination, or there's no reason for there to even BE 
a WISPA or any of us.   If the central planners get their way, not a one of 
us will be in our own business, we'll just be cogs in their utopian machine.

If you want to call for federal plans or ideas for ANY NEED of the public, 
then get the hell out.   LEAVE.  GO.   You're an enemy of the future.  I'm 
absolutely SICK of seeing my nation plundered and destroyed your types. 
It's time to take our money, autonomy, responsibility, power, and decisions 
back from Washington DC, our states, and in some cases even our 
neighborhoods and go it on our own - whether it's hard, easy, fair, unfair, 
or damn freaking crushingly miserable.Nothing they have ever done has 
been anything but a disaster, and nothing they have in mind now is any 
better.

And, no, "getting our share" of some fund is NOT acceptable.Nor 
advocating it.   It is no different than laundering money for the mob. 
You're just enabling the monster to keep growing.If WISPA can't take a 
stand on principle and start advocating, then... It serves no useful 
purpose.   We're in a "to the death" fight for the salvation of the country, 
and we're on the losing side at the moment, because far too many will give 
up tomorrow to make it easier today.Well, we've charged the damn card to 
the limit, gone over the limit, and have reached bankruptcy on that plan. 
Nobody in Washington DC has the freaking idea what to do to prevent the 
worst economic and social cataclysms the world may be about to see.   This 
experiment has gone on long enough.It's time to get back to what we 
know - and what we know is what founded the country, and it works. 
There's no time left for grandly foolish experiments.The account is 
empty, the credit lines exhausted, the treasury sold off, and the mortgages 
so deep we're far upside down.

The question is, do ANY of you actually care?

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------------------
From: "Jason Bailey" 
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 10:39 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Here comes the really BIG WAVE

> Freedom...I'm feeding the trolls...hate to see anyone hungry?I never post 
> this much,but i love watching this list and about to join $$$ with 
> wispa.All keep it up...feeding the trolls!
>
> --- On Tue, 3/16/10, Glenn Kelley  wrote:
>
>
> From: Glenn Kelley 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Here comes the really BIG WAVE
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Date: Tuesday, March 16, 2010, 1:31 AM
>
>
> can you name me one thing that the government has given that it has
> not first taken?
>
> funny I keep asking - but never given an answer.
>
>
> Im with you MDK
>
>
> On Mar 16, 2010, at 1:20 AM, MDK wrote:
>
>> The really big wave of mass stupidity.
>>
>> I can't imagine how ANYONE would want Congress's or the FCC's
>> fingers on
>> ANYTHING.There is only ONE way to ensure that things get more
>> expensive,
>> cost us terribly, and work worse... and that's to put the people who
>> know
>> absolutely NOTHING about real life in charge  Washington DC.
>>
>> Please name for me anything that Washington DC has done for us, that
>> is not
>> a disaster of Biblical proportions. You can't.Absolutely
>> everything
>> they try to do "for" us is so horrible it's beyond insane.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ++
>> Neofast, Inc, Making 

Re: [WISPA] Here comes the really BIG WAVE

[Philip Dorr]

Your life? Telephone? Rural Utilities?

On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Glenn Kelley  wrote:
> can you name me one thing that the government has given that it has
> not first taken?
>
> funny I keep asking - but never given an answer.
>
>
> Im with you MDK
>
>
> On Mar 16, 2010, at 1:20 AM, MDK wrote:
>
>> The really big wave of mass stupidity.
>>
>> I can't imagine how ANYONE would want Congress's or the FCC's
>> fingers on
>> ANYTHING.    There is only ONE way to ensure that things get more
>> expensive,
>> cost us terribly, and work worse... and that's to put the people who
>> know
>> absolutely NOTHING about real life in charge  Washington DC.
>>
>> Please name for me anything that Washington DC has done for us, that
>> is not
>> a disaster of Biblical proportions.     You can't.    Absolutely
>> everything
>> they try to do "for" us is so horrible it's beyond insane.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ++
>> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
>> 541-969-8200  509-386-4589
>> ++++++++++++++++++
>>
>> --
>> From: "Jack Unger" 
>> Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 9:26 AM
>> To: "WISPA General List" ; 
>> Subject: [WISPA] Here comes the really BIG WAVE
>>
>>>
>>> <http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/13/business/media/13fcc.html?hp=&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1268486085-Jt93CAOuKUSJEQR/ZmVkzg
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc.
>>> Network Design - Technical Training - Technical Writing
>>> Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities
>>> since
>>> 1993
>>> www.ask-wi.com  818-227-4220  jun...@ask-wi.com
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Here comes the really BIG WAVE

[Jason Bailey]

Freedom...I'm feeding the trolls...hate to see anyone hungry?I never post this 
much,but i love watching this list and about to join $$$ with wispa.All keep it 
up...feeding the trolls!

--- On Tue, 3/16/10, Glenn Kelley  wrote:


From: Glenn Kelley 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Here comes the really BIG WAVE
To: "WISPA General List" 
Date: Tuesday, March 16, 2010, 1:31 AM


can you name me one thing that the government has given that it has  
not first taken?

funny I keep asking - but never given an answer.


Im with you MDK


On Mar 16, 2010, at 1:20 AM, MDK wrote:

> The really big wave of mass stupidity.
>
> I can't imagine how ANYONE would want Congress's or the FCC's  
> fingers on
> ANYTHING.    There is only ONE way to ensure that things get more  
> expensive,
> cost us terribly, and work worse... and that's to put the people who  
> know
> absolutely NOTHING about real life in charge  Washington DC.
>
> Please name for me anything that Washington DC has done for us, that  
> is not
> a disaster of Biblical proportions.     You can't.    Absolutely  
> everything
> they try to do "for" us is so horrible it's beyond insane.
>
>
>
>
> ++
> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
> 541-969-8200  509-386-4589
> ++
>
> --------------
> From: "Jack Unger" 
> Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 9:26 AM
> To: "WISPA General List" ; 
> Subject: [WISPA] Here comes the really BIG WAVE
>
>>
>> <http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/13/business/media/13fcc.html?hp=&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1268486085-Jt93CAOuKUSJEQR/ZmVkzg
>>  
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc.
>> Network Design - Technical Training - Technical Writing
>> Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities  
>> since
>> 1993
>> www.ask-wi.com  818-227-4220  jun...@ask-wi.com
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Here comes the really BIG WAVE

[Glenn Kelley]

can you name me one thing that the government has given that it has  
not first taken?

funny I keep asking - but never given an answer.


Im with you MDK


On Mar 16, 2010, at 1:20 AM, MDK wrote:

> The really big wave of mass stupidity.
>
> I can't imagine how ANYONE would want Congress's or the FCC's  
> fingers on
> ANYTHING.There is only ONE way to ensure that things get more  
> expensive,
> cost us terribly, and work worse... and that's to put the people who  
> know
> absolutely NOTHING about real life in charge  Washington DC.
>
> Please name for me anything that Washington DC has done for us, that  
> is not
> a disaster of Biblical proportions. You can't.Absolutely  
> everything
> they try to do "for" us is so horrible it's beyond insane.
>
>
>
>
> ++
> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
> 541-969-8200  509-386-4589
> ++
>
> ------
> From: "Jack Unger" 
> Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 9:26 AM
> To: "WISPA General List" ; 
> Subject: [WISPA] Here comes the really BIG WAVE
>
>>
>> <http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/13/business/media/13fcc.html?hp=&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1268486085-Jt93CAOuKUSJEQR/ZmVkzg
>>  
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc.
>> Network Design - Technical Training - Technical Writing
>> Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities  
>> since
>> 1993
>> www.ask-wi.com  818-227-4220  jun...@ask-wi.com
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Here comes the really BIG WAVE

[MDK]

The really big wave of mass stupidity.

I can't imagine how ANYONE would want Congress's or the FCC's fingers on 
ANYTHING.There is only ONE way to ensure that things get more expensive, 
cost us terribly, and work worse... and that's to put the people who know 
absolutely NOTHING about real life in charge  Washington DC.

Please name for me anything that Washington DC has done for us, that is not 
a disaster of Biblical proportions. You can't.Absolutely everything 
they try to do "for" us is so horrible it's beyond insane.




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Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 9:26 AM
To: "WISPA General List" ; 
Subject: [WISPA] Here comes the really BIG WAVE

>
> <http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/13/business/media/13fcc.html?hp=&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1268486085-Jt93CAOuKUSJEQR/ZmVkzg>
>
>
>
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> Network Design - Technical Training - Technical Writing
> Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities since 
> 1993
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