[WISPA] Horizontal vs. Vertical

2007-11-14 Thread Mike Hammett
Why are horizontal antenna some times fewer db gain than vertical?

I'm planning for a new tower and the MTI antennas have a 4 db difference 
between polarizations.  I always thought horizontal had better propagation 
characteristics, but is it enough to make up for the 4 db lower antenna gain?


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Re: [WISPA] Horizontal vs. Vertical

2007-11-14 Thread Marlon K. Schafer

Gain comes from coverage area.

When comparing them make sure that they have the same horizontal AND 
vertical coverage zones


Maybe this will help:
http://www.odessaoffice.com/wireless/antenna/how_to_pick_the_right_antenna.htm

laters,
marlon


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Why are horizontal antenna some times fewer db gain than vertical?

I'm planning for a new tower and the MTI antennas have a 4 db difference 
between polarizations.  I always thought horizontal had better propagation 
characteristics, but is it enough to make up for the 4 db lower antenna 
gain?



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Re: [WISPA] Horizontal vs. Vertical

2007-11-14 Thread Tom DeReggi
Are you sure that is accurate? MTI makes several size antenna. You might be 
confusng dissimilar models?

I've seen 1-2 db difference between polarity on occassion, but never 4 db.
Horizontal itself, is NOT plaqued by having less DB. It is most likely a 
circumstance related to the design of the specific MTI antenna in question.


However, Horizontal and Verticle POL do bounce differently. One way to 
receive lesser gain is if the polarity of the received signal is out of 
polarity.
For example, in an Urban environment will tall brick tenant buildings... a / 
polarity might bounce back as a \ polarity. Where as a --- polarity might 
just interfere with itself.  One idea is that the  Verticle pol wave is more 
likely to slide between building walls or Tree trunks, with the wave being 
unobstructed, compared to a horizontal.  This principle also could be 
effected differently based on the size of the obstructions and the 
wavelength of the wave.  In practical purposes, in most cases there should 
be little or no difference between the received signal of a Horizontal or 
Verticle Pol wave, based on the small wave length. I'm not sure what the 
wavelength of a 5.8Ghz wave, but its less than 3 inches, considering 900Mhz 
is around 1 ft or so.


But I often wonder... Why companies like Alvarion, Proxim, and Motorola 
started our making Verticle POL antennas as standard. The most obvious 
reason was they are less expensive to make, and they tend to have less 
windload due to their thin design.  So its logical to assume... Save dollars 
on the high volume components, and then use more expesnive and unsightly 
Horizontal on Lower volume backhauls.  But in Urban NLOS environments I have 
seen slightly better performance with Verticle.


So, I guess I';m saying... Waves got a mind of their own, and hard to know 
for sure, whether its fiction or fact (Verticle vs Horizontal).


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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Subject: [WISPA] Horizontal vs. Vertical


Why are horizontal antenna some times fewer db gain than vertical?

I'm planning for a new tower and the MTI antennas have a 4 db difference 
between polarizations.  I always thought horizontal had better propagation 
characteristics, but is it enough to make up for the 4 db lower antenna 
gain?



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