Re: [WISPA] Legal Radio and Antenna Combos - Arethere anyin existance?

2006-01-31 Thread Tom DeReggi
ear. 
The cost to procure customers, and time to market to take them on, is more 
costly usually than the gear that serves them. Once you ahve client base, 
they can afford and can predict future revenue, to justify replacing gear 
and getting funds to finance it.


Just my 2 cents.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 1:00 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Legal Radio and Antenna Combos - Arethere anyin 
existance?



I can tell you from past experience it is a good idea to find a good brand 
and use it. One of the things I learned at the WCA show a couple of weeks 
ago was that if you want to have a business worth selling later you had 
better consider using one high-quality well-known platform instead of a 
hodge-podge of radio solutions. Alvarion is definitely one of those "good" 
brands. There are others but I am betting that many out there would choose 
to go with Alvarion from the start if they had it all to do over again. 
With that said I will not discount the value I have seen in others out 
there like Trango, Tranzeo, Waverider, Mikrotik, Star-OS, etc. The trouble 
is though that it is rare to find one brand with one management interface 
(All FCC System Certified as well) for all the different platforms you will 
need as a WISP. With Alvarion (and few if any others) you can literally 
build your entire network on one trusted platform. I went to an Alvarion 
sponsored conference on WiMAX triple play offerings in Washington D.C last 
week. that was very informative but was NOT the reason I said what I did 
about Alvarion. There was a company who specialized in WISP acquisitions at 
the WCA show that described the most important factors in determining the 
value of a company. One of the negatives about WISP operations was 
generally the frequent use of a "hodge-podge" of different incompatible 
platforms of radios. They stated this was a very big problem for WISP 
valuations. They said that using one good brand of radios was a good way to 
make your system worth its highest value. Just some food for thought here 
guys. Especially anyone who might have funding but is new to running a 
WISP. Rolling your own solution is not always the best way to go and can 
actually hurt your efforts in many cases. Find a good brand and stick to 
it.

Scriv


Kurt Fankhauser wrote:


The more you think about it the more you are going to find reasons not
to do it, what you have to do is just jump in and do it. Once you do you
will know what you want to do. Its like sky diving, you have to just
jump into it, if you stand up there and question it you will just freeze
up and not go anywhere.

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
114 S. Walnut St.
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jason Wallace
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 8:45 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Legal Radio and Antenna Combos - Are there anyin
existance?

Marlon,

   What would you suggest?  I am afraid of proprietary stuff because I 
don't know enough industry history to understand the players.

Jason

Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:


Hiya Jason,

Why not just buy ISP grade product?  Then you don't have to worry about 
all of this.


AND at 2.4 the CLIENT side isn't limited to 36 dB.  It starts there with 
a 30 dB radio with a 6 dB antenna.  For every one db of radio tx dB you 
drop you can go up 3 dB of antenna gain.


Marlon
(509) 982-2181   Equipment sales
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)And I run my own


wisp!


64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



- Original Message - From: "Jason"


<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


To: 
Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 12:26 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Legal Radio and Antenna Combos - Are there any in 
existance?





Everyone,

  I am at my wits end.  I have searched high and low for a mini-pci 
radio & sector antenna combo for an 802.11b AP that are legal under the 
current FCC rules, which by my interpretation are:


1. Total output is 36 dbm or less.

2.  Antenna characteristics must be the same as an antenna that has been 
approved for use with that radio, where TYPE refers to antennas with 
SIMILAR in and out of band radiation patterns.


3.  Antenna gain must be equal to or less than the maximum the radio has 
been approved to work with.


I can NOT find a radio that is approved for any antenna with real gain. 
I don't want to mind just the SPIRIT of the law, but the law itself.
What combos are you other guys who like building your own system.  I 
want to put together a Mikrotik with 3 radios a

RE: [WISPA] Legal Radio and Antenna Combos - Arethere anyin existance?

2006-01-31 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
agreed

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
114 S. Walnut St.
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of John Scrivner
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 10:00 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Legal Radio and Antenna Combos - Arethere anyin
existance?

I can tell you from past experience it is a good idea to find a good 
brand and use it. One of the things I learned at the WCA show a couple 
of weeks ago was that if you want to have a business worth selling later

you had better consider using one high-quality well-known platform 
instead of a hodge-podge of radio solutions. Alvarion is definitely one 
of those "good" brands. There are others but I am betting that many out 
there would choose to go with Alvarion from the start if they had it all

to do over again. With that said I will not discount the value I have 
seen in others out there like Trango, Tranzeo, Waverider, Mikrotik, 
Star-OS, etc. The trouble is though that it is rare to find one brand 
with one management interface (All FCC System Certified as well) for all

the different platforms you will need as a WISP. With Alvarion (and few 
if any others) you can literally build your entire network on one 
trusted platform. I went to an Alvarion sponsored conference on WiMAX 
triple play offerings in Washington D.C last week. that was very 
informative but was NOT the reason I said what I did about Alvarion. 
There was a company who specialized in WISP acquisitions at the WCA show

that described the most important factors in determining the value of a 
company. One of the negatives about WISP operations was generally the 
frequent use of a "hodge-podge" of different incompatible platforms of 
radios. They stated this was a very big problem for WISP valuations. 
They said that using one good brand of radios was a good way to make 
your system worth its highest value. Just some food for thought here 
guys. Especially anyone who might have funding but is new to running a 
WISP. Rolling your own solution is not always the best way to go and can

actually hurt your efforts in many cases. Find a good brand and stick to

it.
Scriv


Kurt Fankhauser wrote:

>The more you think about it the more you are going to find reasons not
>to do it, what you have to do is just jump in and do it. Once you do
you
>will know what you want to do. Its like sky diving, you have to just
>jump into it, if you stand up there and question it you will just
freeze
>up and not go anywhere.
>
>Kurt Fankhauser
>WAVELINC
>114 S. Walnut St.
>Bucyrus, OH 44820
>419-562-6405
>www.wavelinc.com
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>Behalf Of Jason Wallace
>Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 8:45 AM
>To: WISPA General List
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Legal Radio and Antenna Combos - Are there anyin
>existance?
>
>Marlon,
>
>What would you suggest?  I am afraid of proprietary stuff because I

>don't know enough industry history to understand the players. 
>
>Jason
>
>Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:
>  
>
>>Hiya Jason,
>>
>>Why not just buy ISP grade product?  Then you don't have to worry 
>>about all of this.
>>
>>AND at 2.4 the CLIENT side isn't limited to 36 dB.  It starts there 
>>with a 30 dB radio with a 6 dB antenna.  For every one db of radio tx 
>>dB you drop you can go up 3 dB of antenna gain.
>>
>>Marlon
>>(509) 982-2181   Equipment sales
>>(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
>>42846865 (icq)And I run my own
>>
>>
>wisp!
>  
>
>>64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
>>www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
>>www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam
>>
>>
>>
>>- Original Message - From: "Jason"
>>
>>
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  
>
>>To: 
>>Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 12:26 PM
>>Subject: [WISPA] Legal Radio and Antenna Combos - Are there any in 
>>existance?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Everyone,
>>>
>>>   I am at my wits end.  I have searched high and low for a mini-pci 
>>>radio & sector antenna combo for an 802.11b AP that are legal under 
>>>the current FCC rules, which by my interpretation are:
>>>
>>>1. Total output is 36 dbm or less.
>>>
>>>2.  Antenna characteristics must be the same as an antenna that has 
>>>been approved for use with that radio, where TYPE refers to antennas 
>>>with SIMILAR in and out of band radiation patterns.
>>>
>>>3.  Antenna gain must be equal to or less than