Re: [WISPA] LigoWave proprietary PtP (was Re: Radio VendorSuggestions)
What kind of floor noise did you have during your test? That's my biggest issue here is noise. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 8:31 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] LigoWave proprietary PtP (was Re: Radio VendorSuggestions) Straight 802.11a systems do not pass. A modified MAC seems to be required. -Matt On Apr 25, 2008, at 5:00 AM, Gino Villarini wrote: Matt, have you run this tests in similar 802.11a based systems? Mikrotik? OSBridge? StarOS? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 6:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] LigoWave proprietary PtP (was Re: Radio Vendor Suggestions) Our office is in the same city as Deliberant, so we have been able to test their new proprietary PtP radios quite extensively. We don't test for raw throughput; we focus on consistent payload with low latency, low jitter and the ability to handle a lot of PPS. While I don't claim to no the limits of their radios, I can tell you that we setup an emulated DS1 (CESoPSN) through their radios with a testset running quasi. The test completed without errors during a 30min run. The test subjected to the radios to 2000pps aggregate with an IP payload size of 192k. Latency was as expected given the distance we were testing (1 mile) and jitter averaged 0.7ms. The performance was in excess of what we have seen with 802.11a-based radios, which I believe speaks positively to the MAC changes they made. Again, we didn't test to see what they were capable of; only that they would meet our minimum requirements, which many radios do not. -Matt On Apr 24, 2008, at 6:26 PM, Harold Bledsoe wrote: The 70Mbps is a 40Mhz channel. We get around 40Mbps on a 20MHz channel. The PTP product is not an 11a mac as that has been rewritten by us to improve performance, especially over distance and to allow for better 2-way traffic handling, among other things. 70Mbps over distance (and higher) is possible with MIMO technologies in a 20MHz channel though. -Hal -Original Message- From: Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Radio Vendor Suggestions Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 17:45:52 -0400 I wouldn't count on any 802.11a hitting 70 mbps in a 20 mhz channel maybe on a 40 mhz channel if you do some atheros tricks, if you have the cpu power and if you have enough fade margin Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 5:40 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Radio Vendor Suggestions Ligowave is real close. 2.4, 5.8 in the same box. 900MHz solution. 70MBps PtP, but not sure distance on that. 5.3 and 5.4 are coming very soon from what I hear but don't know that for sure. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 4:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Radio Vendor Suggestions If you discover a radio that will do what you are looking for here (ptmp assumed) please let me know. - Original Message - From: Zachery Wolfinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 12:00 PM Subject: [WISPA] Radio Vendor Suggestions Our company has used a single radio vendor exclusively for the last 6 years. My VP has instructed me to start trials with other vendors. Who do you all suggest for: Unlicensed 60+ Mbps up to 25 mile links 5.4 / 5.8GHz (same vendor should also offer 5.3 GHz for shorter links) same vendor should also offer a 900MHz solution for neighborhood coverage (2-3 mile radius) Thank you, Zak Wolfinger IT Director - Cyberlink 888-293-3693 Ext 4357 -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe
Re: [WISPA] LigoWave proprietary PtP (was Re: Radio VendorSuggestions)
There were no noise issues during the test. It has been our finding that you can't properly emulate a DS1 over fixed wireless if there is any significant noise. -Matt On Apr 25, 2008, at 9:36 AM, Jason Hensley wrote: What kind of floor noise did you have during your test? That's my biggest issue here is noise. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 8:31 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] LigoWave proprietary PtP (was Re: Radio VendorSuggestions) Straight 802.11a systems do not pass. A modified MAC seems to be required. -Matt On Apr 25, 2008, at 5:00 AM, Gino Villarini wrote: Matt, have you run this tests in similar 802.11a based systems? Mikrotik? OSBridge? StarOS? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 6:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] LigoWave proprietary PtP (was Re: Radio Vendor Suggestions) Our office is in the same city as Deliberant, so we have been able to test their new proprietary PtP radios quite extensively. We don't test for raw throughput; we focus on consistent payload with low latency, low jitter and the ability to handle a lot of PPS. While I don't claim to no the limits of their radios, I can tell you that we setup an emulated DS1 (CESoPSN) through their radios with a testset running quasi. The test completed without errors during a 30min run. The test subjected to the radios to 2000pps aggregate with an IP payload size of 192k. Latency was as expected given the distance we were testing (1 mile) and jitter averaged 0.7ms. The performance was in excess of what we have seen with 802.11a-based radios, which I believe speaks positively to the MAC changes they made. Again, we didn't test to see what they were capable of; only that they would meet our minimum requirements, which many radios do not. -Matt On Apr 24, 2008, at 6:26 PM, Harold Bledsoe wrote: The 70Mbps is a 40Mhz channel. We get around 40Mbps on a 20MHz channel. The PTP product is not an 11a mac as that has been rewritten by us to improve performance, especially over distance and to allow for better 2-way traffic handling, among other things. 70Mbps over distance (and higher) is possible with MIMO technologies in a 20MHz channel though. -Hal -Original Message- From: Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Radio Vendor Suggestions Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 17:45:52 -0400 I wouldn't count on any 802.11a hitting 70 mbps in a 20 mhz channel maybe on a 40 mhz channel if you do some atheros tricks, if you have the cpu power and if you have enough fade margin Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 5:40 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Radio Vendor Suggestions Ligowave is real close. 2.4, 5.8 in the same box. 900MHz solution. 70MBps PtP, but not sure distance on that. 5.3 and 5.4 are coming very soon from what I hear but don't know that for sure. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 4:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Radio Vendor Suggestions If you discover a radio that will do what you are looking for here (ptmp assumed) please let me know. - Original Message - From: Zachery Wolfinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 12:00 PM Subject: [WISPA] Radio Vendor Suggestions Our company has used a single radio vendor exclusively for the last 6 years. My VP has instructed me to start trials with other vendors. Who do you all suggest for: Unlicensed 60+ Mbps up to 25 mile links 5.4 / 5.8GHz (same vendor should also offer 5.3 GHz for shorter links) same vendor should also offer a 900MHz solution for neighborhood coverage (2-3 mile radius) Thank you, Zak Wolfinger IT Director - Cyberlink 888-293-3693 Ext 4357 -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] LigoWave proprietary PtP (was Re: Radio VendorSuggestions)
I don't know anything about OSBridge, but it is to my understanding that Mikrotik and StarOS both are modified with Mikrotik's N-Streme and whatever Star calls theirs. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 8:30 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] LigoWave proprietary PtP (was Re: Radio VendorSuggestions) Straight 802.11a systems do not pass. A modified MAC seems to be required. -Matt On Apr 25, 2008, at 5:00 AM, Gino Villarini wrote: Matt, have you run this tests in similar 802.11a based systems? Mikrotik? OSBridge? StarOS? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 6:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] LigoWave proprietary PtP (was Re: Radio Vendor Suggestions) Our office is in the same city as Deliberant, so we have been able to test their new proprietary PtP radios quite extensively. We don't test for raw throughput; we focus on consistent payload with low latency, low jitter and the ability to handle a lot of PPS. While I don't claim to no the limits of their radios, I can tell you that we setup an emulated DS1 (CESoPSN) through their radios with a testset running quasi. The test completed without errors during a 30min run. The test subjected to the radios to 2000pps aggregate with an IP payload size of 192k. Latency was as expected given the distance we were testing (1 mile) and jitter averaged 0.7ms. The performance was in excess of what we have seen with 802.11a-based radios, which I believe speaks positively to the MAC changes they made. Again, we didn't test to see what they were capable of; only that they would meet our minimum requirements, which many radios do not. -Matt On Apr 24, 2008, at 6:26 PM, Harold Bledsoe wrote: The 70Mbps is a 40Mhz channel. We get around 40Mbps on a 20MHz channel. The PTP product is not an 11a mac as that has been rewritten by us to improve performance, especially over distance and to allow for better 2-way traffic handling, among other things. 70Mbps over distance (and higher) is possible with MIMO technologies in a 20MHz channel though. -Hal -Original Message- From: Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Radio Vendor Suggestions Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 17:45:52 -0400 I wouldn't count on any 802.11a hitting 70 mbps in a 20 mhz channel maybe on a 40 mhz channel if you do some atheros tricks, if you have the cpu power and if you have enough fade margin Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 5:40 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Radio Vendor Suggestions Ligowave is real close. 2.4, 5.8 in the same box. 900MHz solution. 70MBps PtP, but not sure distance on that. 5.3 and 5.4 are coming very soon from what I hear but don't know that for sure. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 4:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Radio Vendor Suggestions If you discover a radio that will do what you are looking for here (ptmp assumed) please let me know. - Original Message - From: Zachery Wolfinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 12:00 PM Subject: [WISPA] Radio Vendor Suggestions Our company has used a single radio vendor exclusively for the last 6 years. My VP has instructed me to start trials with other vendors. Who do you all suggest for: Unlicensed 60+ Mbps up to 25 mile links 5.4 / 5.8GHz (same vendor should also offer 5.3 GHz for shorter links) same vendor should also offer a 900MHz solution for neighborhood coverage (2-3 mile radius) Thank you, Zak Wolfinger IT Director - Cyberlink 888-293-3693 Ext 4357 -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] LigoWave proprietary PtP (was Re: Radio VendorSuggestions)
Well all of them have modified mac Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 9:31 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] LigoWave proprietary PtP (was Re: Radio VendorSuggestions) Straight 802.11a systems do not pass. A modified MAC seems to be required. -Matt On Apr 25, 2008, at 5:00 AM, Gino Villarini wrote: Matt, have you run this tests in similar 802.11a based systems? Mikrotik? OSBridge? StarOS? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 6:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] LigoWave proprietary PtP (was Re: Radio Vendor Suggestions) Our office is in the same city as Deliberant, so we have been able to test their new proprietary PtP radios quite extensively. We don't test for raw throughput; we focus on consistent payload with low latency, low jitter and the ability to handle a lot of PPS. While I don't claim to no the limits of their radios, I can tell you that we setup an emulated DS1 (CESoPSN) through their radios with a testset running quasi. The test completed without errors during a 30min run. The test subjected to the radios to 2000pps aggregate with an IP payload size of 192k. Latency was as expected given the distance we were testing (1 mile) and jitter averaged 0.7ms. The performance was in excess of what we have seen with 802.11a-based radios, which I believe speaks positively to the MAC changes they made. Again, we didn't test to see what they were capable of; only that they would meet our minimum requirements, which many radios do not. -Matt On Apr 24, 2008, at 6:26 PM, Harold Bledsoe wrote: The 70Mbps is a 40Mhz channel. We get around 40Mbps on a 20MHz channel. The PTP product is not an 11a mac as that has been rewritten by us to improve performance, especially over distance and to allow for better 2-way traffic handling, among other things. 70Mbps over distance (and higher) is possible with MIMO technologies in a 20MHz channel though. -Hal -Original Message- From: Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Radio Vendor Suggestions Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 17:45:52 -0400 I wouldn't count on any 802.11a hitting 70 mbps in a 20 mhz channel maybe on a 40 mhz channel if you do some atheros tricks, if you have the cpu power and if you have enough fade margin Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 5:40 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Radio Vendor Suggestions Ligowave is real close. 2.4, 5.8 in the same box. 900MHz solution. 70MBps PtP, but not sure distance on that. 5.3 and 5.4 are coming very soon from what I hear but don't know that for sure. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 4:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Radio Vendor Suggestions If you discover a radio that will do what you are looking for here (ptmp assumed) please let me know. - Original Message - From: Zachery Wolfinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 12:00 PM Subject: [WISPA] Radio Vendor Suggestions Our company has used a single radio vendor exclusively for the last 6 years. My VP has instructed me to start trials with other vendors. Who do you all suggest for: Unlicensed 60+ Mbps up to 25 mile links 5.4 / 5.8GHz (same vendor should also offer 5.3 GHz for shorter links) same vendor should also offer a 900MHz solution for neighborhood coverage (2-3 mile radius) Thank you, Zak Wolfinger IT Director - Cyberlink 888-293-3693 Ext 4357 -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
