Re: [WISPA] Network Neutrality talking points

2017-12-16 Thread Seth Mattinen 
On 12/16/17 9:39 AM, Vance Shipley wrote:
> 
> Sure they did. What would you do if a "customer" (from your perspective) 
> said to you that they were special and you shouldn't charge them anything?
> 
> A) you would ignore them, or B) you would give them a price. Either way 
> it's your choice, at least it should be anyway.
> 


C) neither, if you have an open peering policy.
___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Re: [WISPA] Network Neutrality talking points

2017-12-16 Thread Rowell Dionicio 
I agree. Prioritizing VoIP is to provide a better quality phone call for
the user.

On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 9:17 AM Marco Coelho  wrote:

> There is nothing wrong with prioritizing one type of service over another
> (VOIP vs FTP).  It leads to a better quality of service for the end user.
> Where this was going sideways earlier was when the big ISP companies were
> going to charge Netflix and Hulu directly if they wanted priority on their
> backbones.
>
> On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 7:48 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> Yes but do you prioritize vonage over ooma???
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>> [Sent from mobile]
>>
>> On Dec 15, 2017, at 6:33 PM, James Wilson  wrote:
>>
>> Don't we prioritize VoIP?
>>
>> On Dec 15, 2017 4:04 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This is fantastic.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Dec 15, 2017 3:53 PM, "Mark Radabaugh"  wrote:
>>>
 For your use, re-posted from last week:


 *Talking Points for WISPA Members on “Net Neutrality” and “Internet
 Freedom” *

 December 2017



 *Overview for WISPA Members *



 ·   These talking points are *not* intended to be used
 proactively. WISPA is not taking a proactive role in advocacy on this
 issue, and we do not recommend that you do.

 ·   The intent is to help you be prepared for media and public
 inquiries if they do come in.

 ·   If you receive a query about your company’s position on net
 neutrality, or WISPA’s position, we encourage you to refer it to us to
 handle. Please send it to:

 o   Dale Curtis, WISPA Communications Support,
 d...@dalecurtiscommunications.com

 ·   If you do choose to answer a media or public query:

 o   Please let us know, preferably in advance; and

 o   Please stick to this script; going off script could create
 problems for you and your business.



 *General Tips *



 ·   Any statements you make must be 100% truthful and backed-up
 with facts; so please don’t say anything that is untrue or unsupportable
 with facts.

 ·   If you don’t know the answer to a question, just say so. A
 convenient way to say it is: “I don’t know about *that*, but what I do
 know is …”

 ·   Don’t bring up other issues.



 *Talking Points *



 ·   *Let’s be clear: We support a free and open internet. *

 o   We don’t block, throttle, or prioritize any content.

 o   We disclose our terms of service in plain English.

 o   We support robust privacy protections for our customers.

 o   Those are the core elements of “net neutrality,” and we support
 them.



 ·   *We believe you can have a free and open internet without
 heavy-handed regulation and enforcement that is ill-suited for small
 providers. *



 ·   What was wrong with the way the internet was regulated up
 until two years ago? It worked well then, and it will again.



 ·   FCC regulations designed to treat all internet providers like
 large monopoly utilities – with open-ended and vaguely worded requirements,
 all subject to bureaucratic whim – are taking resources away from
 investment in under-served areas and diverting them instead toward lawyers
 and compliance consultants.



 ·   When our compliance costs go up because of government action,
 we either have to reduce investment in our business or pass those costs on
 to our customers.



 ___
 Wireless mailing list
 Wireless@wispa.org
 http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless


>>> ___
>>> Wireless mailing list
>>> Wireless@wispa.org
>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>>>
>>> ___
>> Wireless mailing list
>> Wireless@wispa.org
>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>>
>>
>> ___
>> Wireless mailing list
>> Wireless@wispa.org
>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Marco C. Coelho
> Argon Technologies Inc.
> POB 875
> Greenville, TX 75403-0875
> 903-455-5036
> ___
> Wireless mailing list
> Wireless@wispa.org
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>
-- 
Rowell Dionicio, CWNE #210
Managing Director
Packet6
Tel: (408)-766-1026
Web: https://packet6.com
___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] Network Neutrality talking points

2017-12-16 Thread Jared Brown 
On December 16, 2017, "Vance Shipley"  wrote:
> ... however if you agree that you'll save money on your upstream and want to 
> install a shared cost, meet in the middle, peering with 
> Netflix (Google, Amazon, Acme startup, ...) you've created a "fast lane" and 
> are now the enemy of ignorant net neutrality advocates.
  I don't see how peering constitutes creating a "fast lane", unless you 
artificially constrain your other interconnects. 

Jared
___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Re: [WISPA] Network Neutrality talking points

2017-12-16 Thread Mike Hammett 
Right. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

- Original Message -

From: "Vance Shipley" <van...@sigscale.com> 
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> 
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 12:21:39 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Neutrality talking points 


... however if you agree that you'll save money on your upstream and want to 
install a shared cost, meet in the middle, peering with Netflix (Google, 
Amazon, Acme startup, ...) you've created a "fast lane" and are now the enemy 
of ignorant net neutrality advocates. 



On Dec 16, 2017 23:39, "Mike Hammett" < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




Correct. 

Netflix should not be entitled to free connections, but the ISP should see the 
advantage in doing so and accept. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 



From: "Vance Shipley" < van...@sigscale.com > 
To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > 
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 12:02:00 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Neutrality talking points 


"You" are an ISP of any size but think of the current context of a WISP. "They" 
are some party who wants access to your network subscribers. To begin with, 
when you get that call, it looks identical to a potential customer wanting to 
order a dedicated access solution which you are happy to sell them. Now they 
tell you "no, I don't want your upstream, I want to reach your subscribers". 


You (ISP) are free to say "no, you pay the same as everyone else" or 
alternatively you may think "this is Netflix (for example) asking, I will free 
alot of bandwidth from my expensive upstream peering which I pay $XXX for". You 
are (should be) free to make the business decision whether you want to absorb 
the cost of this connection in order to save costs elsewhere. 


Otherwise you (ISP) ignore them (wannabe Netflix like startup). 




On Dec 16, 2017 23:17, "Mike Hammett" < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




Who is who here? We need to keep the conversation clear. I know I started with 
some ambiguity. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 



From: "Vance Shipley" < van...@sigscale.com > 
To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > 
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 11:39:51 AM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Neutrality talking points 





On Dec 16, 2017 22:53, "Mike Hammett" < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > wrote: 



They wanted paid peering and they got paid peering. NN didn't have any effect 
on that. The FCC specifically said they didn't understand how all that stuff 
works and didn't regulate 




Sure they did. What would you do if a "customer" (from your perspective) said 
to you that they were special and you shouldn't charge them anything? 


A) you would ignore them, or B) you would give them a price. Either way it's 
your choice, at least it should be anyway. 





___ 
Wireless mailing list 
Wireless@wispa.org 
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless 


___ 
Wireless mailing list 
Wireless@wispa.org 
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless 




___ 
Wireless mailing list 
Wireless@wispa.org 
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless 


___ 
Wireless mailing list 
Wireless@wispa.org 
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless 




___ 
Wireless mailing list 
Wireless@wispa.org 
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless 

___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Re: [WISPA] Network Neutrality talking points

2017-12-16 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller 

listenedenjoyed the calls from listeners too.  good job!

sounds like you may have got some business out of it too!

  - Original Message - 
  From: t...@cherrycapitalconnection.com 
  To: 'WISPA General List' 
  Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 11:41 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Neutrality talking points


  I was asked to speak on the issue of Net Neutrality.

  This is the recording

   

  
http://wtcmradio.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Tim-Maylone-Cherry-Capital-Communications-12-01-17.mp3

   

  Staying to point was one of my goals I thought I achieved.

   

  It was my first time in studio, Was kind of fun


  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Marco Coelho
  Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 12:17 PM
  To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Neutrality talking points

   

  There is nothing wrong with prioritizing one type of service over another 
(VOIP vs FTP).  It leads to a better quality of service for the end user. 

  Where this was going sideways earlier was when the big ISP companies were 
going to charge Netflix and Hulu directly if they wanted priority on their 
backbones.

   

  On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 7:48 PM, Sean Heskett <s...@zirkel.us> wrote:

Yes but do you prioritize vonage over ooma??? 

-Sean

 

[Sent from mobile]


On Dec 15, 2017, at 6:33 PM, James Wilson <ja...@ridgecomms.com> wrote:

  Don't we prioritize VoIP?

   

  On Dec 15, 2017 4:04 PM, "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> 
wrote:

This is fantastic.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Dec 15, 2017 3:53 PM, "Mark Radabaugh" <m...@amplex.net> wrote:

  For your use, re-posted from last week:

   

  Talking Points for WISPA Members on “Net Neutrality” and “Internet 
Freedom” 

  December 2017 

   

  Overview for WISPA Members 

   

  ·   These talking points are not intended to be used proactively. 
WISPA is not taking a proactive role in advocacy on this issue, and we do not 
recommend that you do. 

  ·   The intent is to help you be prepared for media and public 
inquiries if they do come in. 

  ·   If you receive a query about your company’s position on net 
neutrality, or WISPA’s position, we encourage you to refer it to us to handle. 
Please send it to: 

  o   Dale Curtis, WISPA Communications Support, 
d...@dalecurtiscommunications.com 

  ·   If you do choose to answer a media or public query:

  o   Please let us know, preferably in advance; and 

  o   Please stick to this script; going off script could create 
problems for you and your business.  

   

  General Tips 

   

  ·   Any statements you make must be 100% truthful and backed-up 
with facts; so please don’t say anything that is untrue or unsupportable with 
facts. 

  ·   If you don’t know the answer to a question, just say so. A 
convenient way to say it is: “I don’t know about that, but what I do know is …” 
  

  ·   Don’t bring up other issues. 

   

  Talking Points 

   

  ·   Let’s be clear: We support a free and open internet. 

  o   We don’t block, throttle, or prioritize any content.

  o   We disclose our terms of service in plain English.  

  o   We support robust privacy protections for our customers. 

  o   Those are the core elements of “net neutrality,” and we support 
them.  

   

  ·   We believe you can have a free and open internet without 
heavy-handed regulation and enforcement that is ill-suited for small providers. 

   

  ·   What was wrong with the way the internet was regulated up 
until two years ago? It worked well then, and it will again. 

   

  ·   FCC regulations designed to treat all internet providers like 
large monopoly utilities – with open-ended and vaguely worded requirements, all 
subject to bureaucratic whim – are taking resources away from investment in 
under-served areas and diverting them instead toward lawyers and compliance 
consultants. 

   

  ·   When our compliance costs go up because of government action, 
we either have to reduce investment in our business or pass those costs on to 
our customers. 

   


  ___
  Wireless mailing list
  Wireless@wispa.org
  http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless


___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] Network Neutrality talking points

2017-12-16 Thread Vance Shipley 
... however if you agree that you'll save money on your upstream and want
to install a shared cost, meet in the middle, peering with Netflix (Google,
Amazon, Acme startup, ...) you've created a "fast lane" and are now the
enemy of ignorant net neutrality advocates.


On Dec 16, 2017 23:39, "Mike Hammett" <wispawirel...@ics-il.net> wrote:

> Correct.
>
> Netflix should not be entitled to free connections, but the ISP should see
> the advantage in doing so and accept.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
> *From: *"Vance Shipley" <van...@sigscale.com>
> *To: *"WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
> *Sent: *Saturday, December 16, 2017 12:02:00 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Network Neutrality talking points
>
> "You" are an ISP of any size but think of the current context of a WISP.
> "They" are some party who wants access to your network subscribers. To
> begin with, when you get that call, it looks identical to a potential
> customer wanting to order a dedicated access solution which you are happy
> to sell them. Now they tell you "no, I don't want your upstream, I want to
> reach your subscribers".
>
> You (ISP) are free to say "no, you pay the same as everyone else" or
> alternatively you may think "this is Netflix (for example) asking, I will
> free alot of bandwidth from my expensive upstream peering which I pay $XXX
> for". You are (should be) free to make the business decision whether you
> want to absorb the cost of this connection in order to save costs elsewhere.
>
> Otherwise you (ISP) ignore them (wannabe Netflix like startup).
>
>
> On Dec 16, 2017 23:17, "Mike Hammett" <wispawirel...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>
>> Who is who here? We need to keep the conversation clear. I know I started
>> with some ambiguity.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> --
>> *From: *"Vance Shipley" <van...@sigscale.com>
>> *To: *"WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
>> *Sent: *Saturday, December 16, 2017 11:39:51 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Network Neutrality talking points
>>
>> On Dec 16, 2017 22:53, "Mike Hammett" <wispawirel...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>>
>> They wanted paid peering and they got paid peering. NN didn't have any
>> effect on that. The FCC specifically said they didn't understand how all
>> that stuff works and didn't regulate
>>
>>
>> Sure they did. What would you do if a "customer" (from your perspective)
>> said to you that they were special and you shouldn't charge them anything?
>>
>> A) you would ignore them, or B) you would give them a price. Either way
>> it's your choice, at least it should be anyway.
>>
>>
>>
>> ___
>> Wireless mailing list
>> Wireless@wispa.org
>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>>
>>
>> ___
>> Wireless mailing list
>> Wireless@wispa.org
>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>>
>>
> ___
> Wireless mailing list
> Wireless@wispa.org
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>
>
> ___
> Wireless mailing list
> Wireless@wispa.org
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>
>
___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Re: [WISPA] Network Neutrality talking points

2017-12-16 Thread Mike Hammett 
Correct. 

Netflix should not be entitled to free connections, but the ISP should see the 
advantage in doing so and accept. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

- Original Message -

From: "Vance Shipley" <van...@sigscale.com> 
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> 
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 12:02:00 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Neutrality talking points 


"You" are an ISP of any size but think of the current context of a WISP. "They" 
are some party who wants access to your network subscribers. To begin with, 
when you get that call, it looks identical to a potential customer wanting to 
order a dedicated access solution which you are happy to sell them. Now they 
tell you "no, I don't want your upstream, I want to reach your subscribers". 


You (ISP) are free to say "no, you pay the same as everyone else" or 
alternatively you may think "this is Netflix (for example) asking, I will free 
alot of bandwidth from my expensive upstream peering which I pay $XXX for". You 
are (should be) free to make the business decision whether you want to absorb 
the cost of this connection in order to save costs elsewhere. 


Otherwise you (ISP) ignore them (wannabe Netflix like startup). 




On Dec 16, 2017 23:17, "Mike Hammett" < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




Who is who here? We need to keep the conversation clear. I know I started with 
some ambiguity. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 



From: "Vance Shipley" < van...@sigscale.com > 
To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > 
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 11:39:51 AM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Neutrality talking points 





On Dec 16, 2017 22:53, "Mike Hammett" < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > wrote: 



They wanted paid peering and they got paid peering. NN didn't have any effect 
on that. The FCC specifically said they didn't understand how all that stuff 
works and didn't regulate 




Sure they did. What would you do if a "customer" (from your perspective) said 
to you that they were special and you shouldn't charge them anything? 


A) you would ignore them, or B) you would give them a price. Either way it's 
your choice, at least it should be anyway. 





___ 
Wireless mailing list 
Wireless@wispa.org 
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless 


___ 
Wireless mailing list 
Wireless@wispa.org 
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless 




___ 
Wireless mailing list 
Wireless@wispa.org 
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless 

___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Re: [WISPA] Network Neutrality talking points

2017-12-16 Thread Vance Shipley 
"You" are an ISP of any size but think of the current context of a WISP.
"They" are some party who wants access to your network subscribers. To
begin with, when you get that call, it looks identical to a potential
customer wanting to order a dedicated access solution which you are happy
to sell them. Now they tell you "no, I don't want your upstream, I want to
reach your subscribers".

You (ISP) are free to say "no, you pay the same as everyone else" or
alternatively you may think "this is Netflix (for example) asking, I will
free alot of bandwidth from my expensive upstream peering which I pay $XXX
for". You are (should be) free to make the business decision whether you
want to absorb the cost of this connection in order to save costs elsewhere.

Otherwise you (ISP) ignore them (wannabe Netflix like startup).


On Dec 16, 2017 23:17, "Mike Hammett" <wispawirel...@ics-il.net> wrote:

> Who is who here? We need to keep the conversation clear. I know I started
> with some ambiguity.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> ----------
> *From: *"Vance Shipley" <van...@sigscale.com>
> *To: *"WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
> *Sent: *Saturday, December 16, 2017 11:39:51 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Network Neutrality talking points
>
> On Dec 16, 2017 22:53, "Mike Hammett" <wispawirel...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>
> They wanted paid peering and they got paid peering. NN didn't have any
> effect on that. The FCC specifically said they didn't understand how all
> that stuff works and didn't regulate
>
>
> Sure they did. What would you do if a "customer" (from your perspective)
> said to you that they were special and you shouldn't charge them anything?
>
> A) you would ignore them, or B) you would give them a price. Either way
> it's your choice, at least it should be anyway.
>
>
>
> ___
> Wireless mailing list
> Wireless@wispa.org
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>
>
> ___
> Wireless mailing list
> Wireless@wispa.org
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>
>
___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Re: [WISPA] Network Neutrality talking points

2017-12-16 Thread Mike Hammett 
Who is who here? We need to keep the conversation clear. I know I started with 
some ambiguity. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

- Original Message -

From: "Vance Shipley" <van...@sigscale.com> 
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> 
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 11:39:51 AM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Neutrality talking points 





On Dec 16, 2017 22:53, "Mike Hammett" < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > wrote: 



They wanted paid peering and they got paid peering. NN didn't have any effect 
on that. The FCC specifically said they didn't understand how all that stuff 
works and didn't regulate 




Sure they did. What would you do if a "customer" (from your perspective) said 
to you that they were special and you shouldn't charge them anything? 


A) you would ignore them, or B) you would give them a price. Either way it's 
your choice, at least it should be anyway. 





___ 
Wireless mailing list 
Wireless@wispa.org 
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless 

___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Re: [WISPA] Network Neutrality talking points

2017-12-16 Thread tim 
I was asked to speak on the issue of Net Neutrality.

This is the recording



http://wtcmradio.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Tim-Maylone-Cherry-Capital-Communications-12-01-17.mp3



Staying to point was one of my goals I thought I achieved.



It was my first time in studio, Was kind of fun

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Marco Coelho
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 12:17 PM
To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Neutrality talking points



There is nothing wrong with prioritizing one type of service over another (VOIP 
vs FTP).  It leads to a better quality of service for the end user.

Where this was going sideways earlier was when the big ISP companies were going 
to charge Netflix and Hulu directly if they wanted priority on their backbones.



On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 7:48 PM, Sean Heskett <s...@zirkel.us 
<mailto:s...@zirkel.us> > wrote:

Yes but do you prioritize vonage over ooma???

-Sean



[Sent from mobile]


On Dec 15, 2017, at 6:33 PM, James Wilson <ja...@ridgecomms.com 
<mailto:ja...@ridgecomms.com> > wrote:

Don't we prioritize VoIP?



On Dec 15, 2017 4:04 PM, "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote:

This is fantastic.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:(937)%20552-2340>
Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:(937)%20552-2343>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Dec 15, 2017 3:53 PM, "Mark Radabaugh" <m...@amplex.net 
<mailto:m...@amplex.net> > wrote:

For your use, re-posted from last week:



Talking Points for WISPA Members on “Net Neutrality” and “Internet Freedom”

December 2017



Overview for WISPA Members



*   These talking points are not intended to be used proactively. WISPA is 
not taking a proactive role in advocacy on this issue, and we do not recommend 
that you do.

*   The intent is to help you be prepared for media and public inquiries if 
they do come in.

*   If you receive a query about your company’s position on net neutrality, 
or WISPA’s position, we encourage you to refer it to us to handle. Please send 
it to:

o   Dale Curtis, WISPA Communications Support,  
<mailto:d...@dalecurtiscommunications.com> d...@dalecurtiscommunications.com

*   If you do choose to answer a media or public query:

o   Please let us know, preferably in advance; and

o   Please stick to this script; going off script could create problems for you 
and your business.



General Tips



*   Any statements you make must be 100% truthful and backed-up with facts; 
so please don’t say anything that is untrue or unsupportable with facts.

*   If you don’t know the answer to a question, just say so. A convenient 
way to say it is: “I don’t know about that, but what I do know is …”

*   Don’t bring up other issues.



Talking Points



*   Let’s be clear: We support a free and open internet.

o   We don’t block, throttle, or prioritize any content.

o   We disclose our terms of service in plain English.

o   We support robust privacy protections for our customers.

o   Those are the core elements of “net neutrality,” and we support them.



*   We believe you can have a free and open internet without heavy-handed 
regulation and enforcement that is ill-suited for small providers.



*   What was wrong with the way the internet was regulated up until two 
years ago? It worked well then, and it will again.



*   FCC regulations designed to treat all internet providers like large 
monopoly utilities – with open-ended and vaguely worded requirements, all 
subject to bureaucratic whim – are taking resources away from investment in 
under-served areas and diverting them instead toward lawyers and compliance 
consultants.



*   When our compliance costs go up because of government action, we either 
have to reduce investment in our business or pass those costs on to our 
customers.




___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org <mailto:Wireless@wispa.org>
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless


___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org <mailto:Wireless@wispa.org>
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org <mailto:Wireless@wispa.org>
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless


___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org <mailto:Wireless@wispa.org>
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless







--

Marco C. Coelho
Argon Technologies Inc.
POB 875
Greenville, TX 75403-0875
903-455-5036



---
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
https://www.avast.com/antivirus
___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Re: [WISPA] Network Neutrality talking points

2017-12-16 Thread Vance Shipley 
On Dec 16, 2017 22:53, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

They wanted paid peering and they got paid peering. NN didn't have any
effect on that. The FCC specifically said they didn't understand how all
that stuff works and didn't regulate


Sure they did. What would you do if a "customer" (from your perspective)
said to you that they were special and you shouldn't charge them anything?

A) you would ignore them, or B) you would give them a price. Either way
it's your choice, at least it should be anyway.
___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Re: [WISPA] Network Neutrality talking points

2017-12-16 Thread Mike Hammett 
There is a lot of misunderstanding out there. 

You had to treat classes of traffic the same. All VoIP the same. All streaming 
video the same. All games the same, etc. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

- Original Message -

From: "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> 
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> 
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 11:26:24 AM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Neutrality talking points 


Legally there is. 


Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 


On Dec 16, 2017 12:17 PM, "Marco Coelho" < coelh...@gmail.com > wrote: 



There is nothing wrong with prioritizing one type of service over another (VOIP 
vs FTP). It leads to a better quality of service for the end user. 
Where this was going sideways earlier was when the big ISP companies were going 
to charge Netflix and Hulu directly if they wanted priority on their backbones. 


On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 7:48 PM, Sean Heskett < s...@zirkel.us > wrote: 



Yes but do you prioritize vonage over ooma??? 



-Sean 


[Sent from mobile] 



On Dec 15, 2017, at 6:33 PM, James Wilson < ja...@ridgecomms.com > wrote: 





Don't we prioritize VoIP? 


On Dec 15, 2017 4:04 PM, "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > wrote: 



This is fantastic. 


Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 


On Dec 15, 2017 3:53 PM, "Mark Radabaugh" < m...@amplex.net > wrote: 




For your use, re-posted from last week: 



Talking Points for WISPA Members on “Net Neutrality” and “Internet Freedom” 
December 2017 

Overview for WISPA Members 

· These talking points are not intended to be used proactively. WISPA is not 
taking a proactive role in advocacy on this issue, and we do not recommend that 
you do. 
· The intent is to help you be prepared for media and public inquiries if they 
do come in. 
· If you receive a query about your company’s position on net neutrality, or 
WISPA’s position, we encourage you to refer it to us to handle. Please send it 
to: 
o Dale Curtis, WISPA Communications Support, d...@dalecurtiscommunications.com 
· If you do choose to answer a media or public query: 
o Please let us know, preferably in advance; and 
o Please stick to this script; going off script could create problems for you 
and your business. 

General Tips 

· Any statements you make must be 100% truthful and backed-up with facts; so 
please don’t say anything that is untrue or unsupportable with facts. 
· If you don’t know the answer to a question, just say so. A convenient way to 
say it is: “I don’t know about that , but what I do know is …” 
· Don’t bring up other issues. 

Talking Points 

· Let’s be clear: We support a free and open internet. 
o We don’t block, throttle, or prioritize any content. 
o We disclose our terms of service in plain English. 
o We support robust privacy protections for our customers. 
o Those are the core elements of “net neutrality,” and we support them. 

· We believe you can have a free and open internet without heavy-handed 
regulation and enforcement that is ill-suited for small providers. 

· What was wrong with the way the internet was regulated up until two years 
ago? It worked well then, and it will again. 

· FCC regulations designed to treat all internet providers like large monopoly 
utilities – with open-ended and vaguely worded requirements, all subject to 
bureaucratic whim – are taking resources away from investment in under-served 
areas and diverting them instead toward lawyers and compliance consultants. 

· When our compliance costs go up because of government action, we either have 
to reduce investment in our business or pass those costs on to our customers. 

___ 
Wireless mailing list 
Wireless@wispa.org 
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless 




___ 
Wireless mailing list 
Wireless@wispa.org 
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless 








___ 
Wireless mailing list 
Wireless@wispa.org 
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless 



___ 
Wireless mailing list 
Wireless@wispa.org 
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless 







-- 

Marco C. Coelho 
Argon Technologies Inc. 
POB 875 
Greenville, TX 75403-0875 
903-455-5036 
___ 
Wireless mailing list 
Wireless@wispa.org 
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless 




___ 
Wireless mailing list 
Wireless@wispa.org 
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless 

___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Re: [WISPA] Network Neutrality talking points

2017-12-16 Thread Josh Luthman 
Legally there is.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Dec 16, 2017 12:17 PM, "Marco Coelho"  wrote:

> There is nothing wrong with prioritizing one type of service over another
> (VOIP vs FTP).  It leads to a better quality of service for the end user.
> Where this was going sideways earlier was when the big ISP companies were
> going to charge Netflix and Hulu directly if they wanted priority on their
> backbones.
>
> On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 7:48 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> Yes but do you prioritize vonage over ooma???
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>> [Sent from mobile]
>>
>> On Dec 15, 2017, at 6:33 PM, James Wilson  wrote:
>>
>> Don't we prioritize VoIP?
>>
>> On Dec 15, 2017 4:04 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This is fantastic.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Dec 15, 2017 3:53 PM, "Mark Radabaugh"  wrote:
>>>
 For your use, re-posted from last week:


 *Talking Points for WISPA Members on “Net Neutrality” and “Internet
 Freedom” *

 December 2017



 *Overview for WISPA Members *



 ·   These talking points are *not* intended to be used
 proactively. WISPA is not taking a proactive role in advocacy on this
 issue, and we do not recommend that you do.

 ·   The intent is to help you be prepared for media and public
 inquiries if they do come in.

 ·   If you receive a query about your company’s position on net
 neutrality, or WISPA’s position, we encourage you to refer it to us to
 handle. Please send it to:

 o   Dale Curtis, WISPA Communications Support,
 d...@dalecurtiscommunications.com

 ·   If you do choose to answer a media or public query:

 o   Please let us know, preferably in advance; and

 o   Please stick to this script; going off script could create
 problems for you and your business.



 *General Tips *



 ·   Any statements you make must be 100% truthful and backed-up
 with facts; so please don’t say anything that is untrue or unsupportable
 with facts.

 ·   If you don’t know the answer to a question, just say so. A
 convenient way to say it is: “I don’t know about *that*, but what I do
 know is …”

 ·   Don’t bring up other issues.



 *Talking Points *



 ·   *Let’s be clear: We support a free and open internet. *

 o   We don’t block, throttle, or prioritize any content.

 o   We disclose our terms of service in plain English.

 o   We support robust privacy protections for our customers.

 o   Those are the core elements of “net neutrality,” and we support
 them.



 ·   *We believe you can have a free and open internet without
 heavy-handed regulation and enforcement that is ill-suited for small
 providers. *



 ·   What was wrong with the way the internet was regulated up
 until two years ago? It worked well then, and it will again.



 ·   FCC regulations designed to treat all internet providers like
 large monopoly utilities – with open-ended and vaguely worded requirements,
 all subject to bureaucratic whim – are taking resources away from
 investment in under-served areas and diverting them instead toward lawyers
 and compliance consultants.



 ·   When our compliance costs go up because of government action,
 we either have to reduce investment in our business or pass those costs on
 to our customers.



 ___
 Wireless mailing list
 Wireless@wispa.org
 http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless


>>> ___
>>> Wireless mailing list
>>> Wireless@wispa.org
>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>>>
>>> ___
>> Wireless mailing list
>> Wireless@wispa.org
>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>>
>>
>> ___
>> Wireless mailing list
>> Wireless@wispa.org
>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Marco C. Coelho
> Argon Technologies Inc.
> POB 875
> Greenville, TX 75403-0875
> 903-455-5036 <(903)%20455-5036>
>
> ___
> Wireless mailing list
> Wireless@wispa.org
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>
>
___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Re: [WISPA] Network Neutrality talking points

2017-12-16 Thread Mike Hammett 
"Fast Lanes" were an idea posed by the anti-ISP crowd and then when the big 
ISPs started to catch on to that, the anti-ISP latched onto that as the next 
evil. 

They wanted paid peering and they got paid peering. NN didn't have any effect 
on that. The FCC specifically said they didn't understand how all that stuff 
works and didn't regulate it. 






- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

- Original Message -

From: "Marco Coelho" <coelh...@gmail.com> 
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> 
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 11:17:04 AM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Neutrality talking points 


There is nothing wrong with prioritizing one type of service over another (VOIP 
vs FTP). It leads to a better quality of service for the end user. 
Where this was going sideways earlier was when the big ISP companies were going 
to charge Netflix and Hulu directly if they wanted priority on their backbones. 


On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 7:48 PM, Sean Heskett < s...@zirkel.us > wrote: 



Yes but do you prioritize vonage over ooma??? 



-Sean 


[Sent from mobile] 



On Dec 15, 2017, at 6:33 PM, James Wilson < ja...@ridgecomms.com > wrote: 





Don't we prioritize VoIP? 


On Dec 15, 2017 4:04 PM, "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > wrote: 



This is fantastic. 


Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 


On Dec 15, 2017 3:53 PM, "Mark Radabaugh" < m...@amplex.net > wrote: 




For your use, re-posted from last week: 



Talking Points for WISPA Members on “Net Neutrality” and “Internet Freedom” 
December 2017 

Overview for WISPA Members 

· These talking points are not intended to be used proactively. WISPA is not 
taking a proactive role in advocacy on this issue, and we do not recommend that 
you do. 
· The intent is to help you be prepared for media and public inquiries if they 
do come in. 
· If you receive a query about your company’s position on net neutrality, or 
WISPA’s position, we encourage you to refer it to us to handle. Please send it 
to: 
o Dale Curtis, WISPA Communications Support, d...@dalecurtiscommunications.com 
· If you do choose to answer a media or public query: 
o Please let us know, preferably in advance; and 
o Please stick to this script; going off script could create problems for you 
and your business. 

General Tips 

· Any statements you make must be 100% truthful and backed-up with facts; so 
please don’t say anything that is untrue or unsupportable with facts. 
· If you don’t know the answer to a question, just say so. A convenient way to 
say it is: “I don’t know about that , but what I do know is …” 
· Don’t bring up other issues. 

Talking Points 

· Let’s be clear: We support a free and open internet. 
o We don’t block, throttle, or prioritize any content. 
o We disclose our terms of service in plain English. 
o We support robust privacy protections for our customers. 
o Those are the core elements of “net neutrality,” and we support them. 

· We believe you can have a free and open internet without heavy-handed 
regulation and enforcement that is ill-suited for small providers. 

· What was wrong with the way the internet was regulated up until two years 
ago? It worked well then, and it will again. 

· FCC regulations designed to treat all internet providers like large monopoly 
utilities – with open-ended and vaguely worded requirements, all subject to 
bureaucratic whim – are taking resources away from investment in under-served 
areas and diverting them instead toward lawyers and compliance consultants. 

· When our compliance costs go up because of government action, we either have 
to reduce investment in our business or pass those costs on to our customers. 

___ 
Wireless mailing list 
Wireless@wispa.org 
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless 




___ 
Wireless mailing list 
Wireless@wispa.org 
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless 








___ 
Wireless mailing list 
Wireless@wispa.org 
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless 



___ 
Wireless mailing list 
Wireless@wispa.org 
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless 







-- 

Marco C. Coelho 
Argon Technologies Inc. 
POB 875 
Greenville, TX 75403-0875 
903-455-5036 
___ 
Wireless mailing list 
Wireless@wispa.org 
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless 

___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Re: [WISPA] Network Neutrality talking points

2017-12-16 Thread Marco Coelho 
There is nothing wrong with prioritizing one type of service over another
(VOIP vs FTP).  It leads to a better quality of service for the end user.
Where this was going sideways earlier was when the big ISP companies were
going to charge Netflix and Hulu directly if they wanted priority on their
backbones.

On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 7:48 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:

> Yes but do you prioritize vonage over ooma???
>
> -Sean
>
> [Sent from mobile]
>
> On Dec 15, 2017, at 6:33 PM, James Wilson  wrote:
>
> Don't we prioritize VoIP?
>
> On Dec 15, 2017 4:04 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
> wrote:
>
>> This is fantastic.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Dec 15, 2017 3:53 PM, "Mark Radabaugh"  wrote:
>>
>>> For your use, re-posted from last week:
>>>
>>>
>>> *Talking Points for WISPA Members on “Net Neutrality” and “Internet
>>> Freedom” *
>>>
>>> December 2017
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Overview for WISPA Members *
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ·   These talking points are *not* intended to be used proactively.
>>> WISPA is not taking a proactive role in advocacy on this issue, and we
>>> do not recommend that you do.
>>>
>>> ·   The intent is to help you be prepared for media and public
>>> inquiries if they do come in.
>>>
>>> ·   If you receive a query about your company’s position on net
>>> neutrality, or WISPA’s position, we encourage you to refer it to us to
>>> handle. Please send it to:
>>>
>>> o   Dale Curtis, WISPA Communications Support,
>>> d...@dalecurtiscommunications.com
>>>
>>> ·   If you do choose to answer a media or public query:
>>>
>>> o   Please let us know, preferably in advance; and
>>>
>>> o   Please stick to this script; going off script could create problems
>>> for you and your business.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *General Tips *
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ·   Any statements you make must be 100% truthful and backed-up
>>> with facts; so please don’t say anything that is untrue or unsupportable
>>> with facts.
>>>
>>> ·   If you don’t know the answer to a question, just say so. A
>>> convenient way to say it is: “I don’t know about *that*, but what I do
>>> know is …”
>>>
>>> ·   Don’t bring up other issues.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Talking Points *
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ·   *Let’s be clear: We support a free and open internet. *
>>>
>>> o   We don’t block, throttle, or prioritize any content.
>>>
>>> o   We disclose our terms of service in plain English.
>>>
>>> o   We support robust privacy protections for our customers.
>>>
>>> o   Those are the core elements of “net neutrality,” and we support
>>> them.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ·   *We believe you can have a free and open internet without
>>> heavy-handed regulation and enforcement that is ill-suited for small
>>> providers. *
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ·   What was wrong with the way the internet was regulated up until
>>> two years ago? It worked well then, and it will again.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ·   FCC regulations designed to treat all internet providers like
>>> large monopoly utilities – with open-ended and vaguely worded requirements,
>>> all subject to bureaucratic whim – are taking resources away from
>>> investment in under-served areas and diverting them instead toward lawyers
>>> and compliance consultants.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ·   When our compliance costs go up because of government action,
>>> we either have to reduce investment in our business or pass those costs on
>>> to our customers.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ___
>>> Wireless mailing list
>>> Wireless@wispa.org
>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>>>
>>>
>> ___
>> Wireless mailing list
>> Wireless@wispa.org
>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>>
>> ___
> Wireless mailing list
> Wireless@wispa.org
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>
>
> ___
> Wireless mailing list
> Wireless@wispa.org
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>
>


-- 
Marco C. Coelho
Argon Technologies Inc.
POB 875
Greenville, TX 75403-0875
903-455-5036
___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Re: [WISPA] Network Neutrality talking points

2017-12-15 Thread Sean Heskett 
Yes but do you prioritize vonage over ooma??? 

-Sean

[Sent from mobile]

> On Dec 15, 2017, at 6:33 PM, James Wilson  wrote:
> 
> Don't we prioritize VoIP?
> 
>> On Dec 15, 2017 4:04 PM, "Josh Luthman"  wrote:
>> This is fantastic.
>> 
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>>> On Dec 15, 2017 3:53 PM, "Mark Radabaugh"  wrote:
>>> For your use, re-posted from last week:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Talking Points for WISPA Members on “Net Neutrality” and “Internet Freedom”
>>> 
>>> December 2017
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Overview for WISPA Members
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> ·   These talking points are not intended to be used proactively. WISPA 
>>> is not taking a proactive role in advocacy on this issue, and we do not 
>>> recommend that you do.
>>> 
>>> ·   The intent is to help you be prepared for media and public 
>>> inquiries if they do come in.
>>> 
>>> ·   If you receive a query about your company’s position on net 
>>> neutrality, or WISPA’s position, we encourage you to refer it to us to 
>>> handle. Please send it to:
>>> 
>>> o   Dale Curtis, WISPA Communications Support, 
>>> d...@dalecurtiscommunications.com
>>> 
>>> ·   If you do choose to answer a media or public query:
>>> 
>>> o   Please let us know, preferably in advance; and
>>> 
>>> o   Please stick to this script; going off script could create problems for 
>>> you and your business.  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> General Tips
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> ·   Any statements you make must be 100% truthful and backed-up with 
>>> facts; so please don’t say anything that is untrue or unsupportable with 
>>> facts.
>>> 
>>> ·   If you don’t know the answer to a question, just say so. A 
>>> convenient way to say it is: “I don’t know about that, but what I do know 
>>> is …”   
>>> 
>>> ·   Don’t bring up other issues.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Talking Points
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> ·   Let’s be clear: We support a free and open internet. 
>>> 
>>> o   We don’t block, throttle, or prioritize any content.
>>> 
>>> o   We disclose our terms of service in plain English.  
>>> 
>>> o   We support robust privacy protections for our customers. 
>>> 
>>> o   Those are the core elements of “net neutrality,” and we support them. 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> ·   We believe you can have a free and open internet without 
>>> heavy-handed regulation and enforcement that is ill-suited for small 
>>> providers.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> ·   What was wrong with the way the internet was regulated up until two 
>>> years ago? It worked well then, and it will again.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> ·   FCC regulations designed to treat all internet providers like large 
>>> monopoly utilities – with open-ended and vaguely worded requirements, all 
>>> subject to bureaucratic whim – are taking resources away from investment in 
>>> under-served areas and diverting them instead toward lawyers and 
>>> compliance consultants.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> ·   When our compliance costs go up because of government action, we 
>>> either have to reduce investment in our business or pass those costs on to 
>>> our customers.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ___
>>> Wireless mailing list
>>> Wireless@wispa.org
>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>>> 
>> 
>> ___
>> Wireless mailing list
>> Wireless@wispa.org
>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>> 
> ___
> Wireless mailing list
> Wireless@wispa.org
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Re: [WISPA] Network Neutrality talking points

2017-12-15 Thread James Wilson 
Don't we prioritize VoIP?

On Dec 15, 2017 4:04 PM, "Josh Luthman"  wrote:

> This is fantastic.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Dec 15, 2017 3:53 PM, "Mark Radabaugh"  wrote:
>
>> For your use, re-posted from last week:
>>
>>
>> *Talking Points for WISPA Members on “Net Neutrality” and “Internet
>> Freedom” *
>>
>> December 2017
>>
>>
>>
>> *Overview for WISPA Members *
>>
>>
>>
>> ·   These talking points are *not* intended to be used proactively.
>> WISPA is not taking a proactive role in advocacy on this issue, and we
>> do not recommend that you do.
>>
>> ·   The intent is to help you be prepared for media and public
>> inquiries if they do come in.
>>
>> ·   If you receive a query about your company’s position on net
>> neutrality, or WISPA’s position, we encourage you to refer it to us to
>> handle. Please send it to:
>>
>> o   Dale Curtis, WISPA Communications Support,
>> d...@dalecurtiscommunications.com
>>
>> ·   If you do choose to answer a media or public query:
>>
>> o   Please let us know, preferably in advance; and
>>
>> o   Please stick to this script; going off script could create problems
>> for you and your business.
>>
>>
>>
>> *General Tips *
>>
>>
>>
>> ·   Any statements you make must be 100% truthful and backed-up with
>> facts; so please don’t say anything that is untrue or unsupportable with
>> facts.
>>
>> ·   If you don’t know the answer to a question, just say so. A
>> convenient way to say it is: “I don’t know about *that*, but what I do
>> know is …”
>>
>> ·   Don’t bring up other issues.
>>
>>
>>
>> *Talking Points *
>>
>>
>>
>> ·   *Let’s be clear: We support a free and open internet. *
>>
>> o   We don’t block, throttle, or prioritize any content.
>>
>> o   We disclose our terms of service in plain English.
>>
>> o   We support robust privacy protections for our customers.
>>
>> o   Those are the core elements of “net neutrality,” and we support them.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ·   *We believe you can have a free and open internet without
>> heavy-handed regulation and enforcement that is ill-suited for small
>> providers. *
>>
>>
>>
>> ·   What was wrong with the way the internet was regulated up until
>> two years ago? It worked well then, and it will again.
>>
>>
>>
>> ·   FCC regulations designed to treat all internet providers like
>> large monopoly utilities – with open-ended and vaguely worded requirements,
>> all subject to bureaucratic whim – are taking resources away from
>> investment in under-served areas and diverting them instead toward lawyers
>> and compliance consultants.
>>
>>
>>
>> ·   When our compliance costs go up because of government action, we
>> either have to reduce investment in our business or pass those costs on to
>> our customers.
>>
>>
>>
>> ___
>> Wireless mailing list
>> Wireless@wispa.org
>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>>
>>
> ___
> Wireless mailing list
> Wireless@wispa.org
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>
>
___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Re: [WISPA] Network Neutrality talking points

2017-12-15 Thread Josh Luthman 
This is fantastic.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Dec 15, 2017 3:53 PM, "Mark Radabaugh"  wrote:

> For your use, re-posted from last week:
>
>
> *Talking Points for WISPA Members on “Net Neutrality” and “Internet
> Freedom” *
>
> December 2017
>
>
>
> *Overview for WISPA Members *
>
>
>
> ·   These talking points are *not* intended to be used proactively.
> WISPA is not taking a proactive role in advocacy on this issue, and we do
> not recommend that you do.
>
> ·   The intent is to help you be prepared for media and public
> inquiries if they do come in.
>
> ·   If you receive a query about your company’s position on net
> neutrality, or WISPA’s position, we encourage you to refer it to us to
> handle. Please send it to:
>
> o   Dale Curtis, WISPA Communications Support,
> d...@dalecurtiscommunications.com
>
> ·   If you do choose to answer a media or public query:
>
> o   Please let us know, preferably in advance; and
>
> o   Please stick to this script; going off script could create problems
> for you and your business.
>
>
>
> *General Tips *
>
>
>
> ·   Any statements you make must be 100% truthful and backed-up with
> facts; so please don’t say anything that is untrue or unsupportable with
> facts.
>
> ·   If you don’t know the answer to a question, just say so. A
> convenient way to say it is: “I don’t know about *that*, but what I do
> know is …”
>
> ·   Don’t bring up other issues.
>
>
>
> *Talking Points *
>
>
>
> ·   *Let’s be clear: We support a free and open internet. *
>
> o   We don’t block, throttle, or prioritize any content.
>
> o   We disclose our terms of service in plain English.
>
> o   We support robust privacy protections for our customers.
>
> o   Those are the core elements of “net neutrality,” and we support them.
>
>
>
>
> ·   *We believe you can have a free and open internet without
> heavy-handed regulation and enforcement that is ill-suited for small
> providers. *
>
>
>
> ·   What was wrong with the way the internet was regulated up until
> two years ago? It worked well then, and it will again.
>
>
>
> ·   FCC regulations designed to treat all internet providers like
> large monopoly utilities – with open-ended and vaguely worded requirements,
> all subject to bureaucratic whim – are taking resources away from
> investment in under-served areas and diverting them instead toward lawyers
> and compliance consultants.
>
>
>
> ·   When our compliance costs go up because of government action, we
> either have to reduce investment in our business or pass those costs on to
> our customers.
>
>
>
> ___
> Wireless mailing list
> Wireless@wispa.org
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>
>
___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

[WISPA] Network Neutrality talking points

2017-12-15 Thread Mark Radabaugh 

For your use, re-posted from last week:


*Talking Points for WISPA Members on “Net Neutrality” and “Internet 
Freedom” *


December 2017

*Overview for WISPA Members *

**

·These talking points are _not_ intended to be used proactively. WISPA 
is not taking a proactive role in advocacy on this issue, and we do not 
recommend that you do.


·The intent is to help you be prepared for media and public inquiries if 
they do come in.


·If you receive a query about your company’s position on net neutrality, 
or WISPA’s position, we encourage you to refer it to us to handle. 
Please send it to:


oDale Curtis, WISPA Communications Support, 
d...@dalecurtiscommunications.com 


·If you do choose to answer a media or public query:

oPlease let us know, preferably in advance; and

oPlease stick to this script; going off script could create problems for 
you and your business.


*General Tips *

**

·Any statements you make must be 100% truthful and backed-up with facts; 
so please don’t say anything that is untrue or unsupportable with facts.


·If you don’t know the answer to a question, just say so. A convenient 
way to say it is: “I don’t know about /that/, but what I do know is …”


·Don’t bring up other issues.

**

*Talking Points *

**

·*Let’s be clear: We support a free and open internet. *

oWe don’t block, throttle, or prioritize any content.

oWe disclose our terms of service in plain English.

oWe support robust privacy protections for our customers.

oThose are the core elements of “net neutrality,” and we support them.

**

·*We believe you can have a free and open internet without heavy-handed 
regulation and enforcement that is ill-suited for small providers. *


·What was wrong with the way the internet was regulated up until two 
years ago? It worked well then, and it will again.


·FCC regulations designed to treat all internet providers like large 
monopoly utilities – with open-ended and vaguely worded requirements, 
all subject to bureaucratic whim – are taking resources away from 
investment in under-served areas and diverting them instead toward 
lawyers and compliance consultants.


·When our compliance costs go up because of government action, we either 
have to reduce investment in our business or pass those costs on to our 
customers.


___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless