Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting
I wonder if it's possible to route any list traffic with "OffList" or "Off List" in the header to devnull? Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 1:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting On Fri, 2010-07-30 at 00:36 -0400, Jerry Richardson wrote: > I was under the assumption that in order to advertise services on the > lists one needed to be a paying vendor member. FIRST: I did not "advertise" my services. I simply answered a question that was asked. Anyone who reads the original question and my answer will see that my answer was much more than an "advertisement". SECOND: I agree with the presumption that "advertisements" should be paid for. The fact is, though, that is has LONG been an accepted practice to answer questions and offer solutions. I had a solution to the question, which I posted. In context, the alleged "advertisement" was a small portion of the answer. My record of offering free advice on this (and MANY other lists) will support my contention that I do NOT use every opportunity to "advertise". I provide good advice (for free), complete answers where possible and occasionally (VERY RARE) I post a solution that will require a payment. THIRD: Can we please just drop this? I inadvertently posted this response on the list and it was meant to be offlist (see the subject). It should be clear to all who read my message (whether you are a "Butch fan" or a "Dennis and Jim fan") that the current discussion was not intended to be a public discussion. FINALLY: This thread has seriously deteriorated into something that is of no help to Paul, who posted a reasonable question. I will no longer participate in this thread. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting
On Fri, 2010-07-30 at 00:36 -0400, Jerry Richardson wrote: > I was under the assumption that in order to advertise services > on the lists one needed to be a paying vendor member. FIRST: I did not "advertise" my services. I simply answered a question that was asked. Anyone who reads the original question and my answer will see that my answer was much more than an "advertisement". SECOND: I agree with the presumption that "advertisements" should be paid for. The fact is, though, that is has LONG been an accepted practice to answer questions and offer solutions. I had a solution to the question, which I posted. In context, the alleged "advertisement" was a small portion of the answer. My record of offering free advice on this (and MANY other lists) will support my contention that I do NOT use every opportunity to "advertise". I provide good advice (for free), complete answers where possible and occasionally (VERY RARE) I post a solution that will require a payment. THIRD: Can we please just drop this? I inadvertently posted this response on the list and it was meant to be offlist (see the subject). It should be clear to all who read my message (whether you are a "Butch fan" or a "Dennis and Jim fan") that the current discussion was not intended to be a public discussion. FINALLY: This thread has seriously deteriorated into something that is of no help to Paul, who posted a reasonable question. I will no longer participate in this thread. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting
It has little to do with Butch specifically. It's the fact we have an entire thread dedicated to this, what I consider, tiny little issue. I will stand alone in this. I was only imagining that I wasn't alone, I apologize for speaking for others. I ask that everyone think for themselves. What you (Forbes and Dennis in this particular thread, I'm assuming others are part of this group) are stating is that no one can say "I can help". We can either A) learn to work together B) clearly define the rules; I believe this is impossible C) separate WISPA from the public; members only are in memb...@wispa.org; close down every other mailing list I have always been of a GNU mind set. I help people for free. People help me for free. Obviously there has to be a line drawn. Maybe another way we can look at this is Butch is helping the WISP community and by proxy the WISPA entity. I think helping starving people is more important then worrying about who has the bigger slice of pizza. I understand completely what you're saying. It isn't fair one is paying for what the other isn't and getting the same results. Neither is life. We can pout or cooperate. Not sure if you were around for this but look up "I QUIT". Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 12:44 AM, Forbes Mercy wrote: > Josh, > > Sorry but that email was out of line, why would you take the "we'll take > our Butch fans and leave" attitude? it's totally against what we have > all worked for in improving conditions for WISP's and access to our paid > vendors. The first thing Dennis did was go on the Board list and > announce it was his opinion and not as the board member and he would > abstain from any board action if any was taken. I'm always irritated > when people make grand stands over something when they know it's not > really right. Yes I'm a fan of Butch's, I don't doubt for one second > his qualifications, I'm also a fan of the rules that apply to everyone > and if someone was a board member years ago but didn't support WISPA in > the capacity they were representing now that is as violating to me as > someone saying something bad about Butch. We have numerous camps in > this group because people contribute a lot on here, I even say that you > have been active enough to have a "Josh" camp of supporters. It shows a > lack of that leadership expected of your followers to say "if this group > wants to play by the rules we all signed up for, we're outta here. If > Butch has made at least $1000 in revenue while promoting his business on > here, which I'm sure he has, shouldn't you be asking "why do I have to > pay my share and he doesn't?" I'm just asking. > > The Regional Meeting provided great unity so when someone just > willy-nilly says "I speak for many of us" blah blah lets fly this > rules following group if they disagree with me at all! I ask do you even > get WISPA? It's just sad because this group has made me plenty mad on > occasion but I can easily see how WISPA has assisted my business and the > entire industry. How many customers have said "I'm leaving you and > taking my friends with me", I lose maybe one or two people because of > them but eventually they come back because my service is far better than > my satellite competition, see the correlation. > > Forbes > > On 7/29/2010 8:49 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: >> I think I speak for many of us when I say I'm not going to stick with >> WISPA if people are going to act like this. >> >> Butch was on the board at one point in time which has to count for >> something in this matter. >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 11:36 PM, Dennis Burgess >> wrote: >> >>> It does when you are promoting your products and services as a Vendor >>> Member and you are NOT a WISPA Vendor member. >>> >>> --- >>> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer >>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik& WISP Support Services >>> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net >>> LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of "Learn RouterOS" >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>> Behalf Of Butch Evans >>> Sent: Thursda
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting
Josh, Sorry but that email was out of line, why would you take the "we'll take our Butch fans and leave" attitude? it's totally against what we have all worked for in improving conditions for WISP's and access to our paid vendors. The first thing Dennis did was go on the Board list and announce it was his opinion and not as the board member and he would abstain from any board action if any was taken. I'm always irritated when people make grand stands over something when they know it's not really right. Yes I'm a fan of Butch's, I don't doubt for one second his qualifications, I'm also a fan of the rules that apply to everyone and if someone was a board member years ago but didn't support WISPA in the capacity they were representing now that is as violating to me as someone saying something bad about Butch. We have numerous camps in this group because people contribute a lot on here, I even say that you have been active enough to have a "Josh" camp of supporters. It shows a lack of that leadership expected of your followers to say "if this group wants to play by the rules we all signed up for, we're outta here. If Butch has made at least $1000 in revenue while promoting his business on here, which I'm sure he has, shouldn't you be asking "why do I have to pay my share and he doesn't?" I'm just asking. The Regional Meeting provided great unity so when someone just willy-nilly says "I speak for many of us" blah blah lets fly this rules following group if they disagree with me at all! I ask do you even get WISPA? It's just sad because this group has made me plenty mad on occasion but I can easily see how WISPA has assisted my business and the entire industry. How many customers have said "I'm leaving you and taking my friends with me", I lose maybe one or two people because of them but eventually they come back because my service is far better than my satellite competition, see the correlation. Forbes On 7/29/2010 8:49 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > I think I speak for many of us when I say I'm not going to stick with > WISPA if people are going to act like this. > > Butch was on the board at one point in time which has to count for > something in this matter. > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 11:36 PM, Dennis Burgess > wrote: > >> It does when you are promoting your products and services as a Vendor >> Member and you are NOT a WISPA Vendor member. >> >> --- >> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer >> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik& WISP Support Services >> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net >> LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of "Learn RouterOS" >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Butch Evans >> Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 6:36 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting >> >> On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 13:44 -0500, Jim Patient wrote: >> >>> I would suggest using a WISPA vendor member for your training needs. >>> >> He already asked about a WISPA vendor member (Mikrotik specifically). I >> simply offered the information on my training opportunity coming up next >> week. Of the HUNDREDS of students who have taken my training, the >> comments have been very positive. I have (to my knowledge) taught over >> 40 students who have taken MT training from other sources (including >> Mikrotik and linktecks) who have made VERY positive comments regarding >> the improved quality of my course over the other one they have taken. >> This does not have to be a battle every time someone asks a question, >> does it? >> >> -- >> >> * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* >> * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * >> * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * >> * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * >> >> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> -
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting
I was under the assumption that in order to advertise services on the lists one needed to be a paying vendor member. Doesn't seem fair that if one guy is paying for the right to advertise, that another guy can pop in and tout his stuff fwithout paying the fare (nothing against Butch, I'm just sayin') - Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 9:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting Ya, but that person is not paying in the bar, and I am .. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of "Learn RouterOS" -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 11:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting My point still remains. If someone's smoking in a bar and I don't like it, I leave. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 11:57 PM, Dennis Burgess wrote: > Yes a few months to fill a vacancy. He also did work with CALEA committee > among other thngs. Not saying he did not do things for WISPA, but that still > does not give him the right to advertise his products. > > --- > Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer > Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services > Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net > LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of "Learn RouterOS" > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Josh Luthman > Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 10:50 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting > > I think I speak for many of us when I say I'm not going to stick with > WISPA if people are going to act like this. > > Butch was on the board at one point in time which has to count for > something in this matter. > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 11:36 PM, Dennis Burgess > wrote: >> It does when you are promoting your products and services as a Vendor >> Member and you are NOT a WISPA Vendor member. >> >> --- >> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer >> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services >> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net >> LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of "Learn RouterOS" >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Butch Evans >> Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 6:36 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting >> >> On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 13:44 -0500, Jim Patient wrote: >>> I would suggest using a WISPA vendor member for your training needs. >> >> He already asked about a WISPA vendor member (Mikrotik specifically). I >> simply offered the information on my training opportunity coming up next >> week. Of the HUNDREDS of students who have taken my training, the >> comments have been very positive. I have (to my knowledge) taught over >> 40 students who have taken MT training from other sources (including >> Mikrotik and linktecks) who have made VERY positive comments regarding >> the improved quality of my course over the other one they have taken. >> This does not have to be a battle every time someone asks a question, >> does it? >> >> -- >> >> * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* >> * http://www.butchevans.com/ * Network Engineering * >> * http://store.wispgear.net/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * >> * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * >> >> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting
Life isn't fair. My example goes both ways. No one is forcing you to drink here. Maybe we should have a poll with all the paying members and see who all has a problem with it? Base rules on the decisions of the group. Are we really going to make a rule that says non-members can't offer help? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 12:11 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote: > Ya, but that person is not paying in the bar, and I am .. > > --- > Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer > Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services > Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net > LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of "Learn RouterOS" > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Josh Luthman > Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 11:07 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting > > My point still remains. If someone's smoking in a bar and I don't > like it, I leave. > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 11:57 PM, Dennis Burgess > wrote: >> Yes a few months to fill a vacancy. He also did work with CALEA committee >> among other thngs. Not saying he did not do things for WISPA, but that >> still does not give him the right to advertise his products. >> >> --- >> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer >> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services >> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net >> LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of "Learn RouterOS" >> >> >> -Original Message----- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Josh Luthman >> Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 10:50 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting >> >> I think I speak for many of us when I say I'm not going to stick with >> WISPA if people are going to act like this. >> >> Butch was on the board at one point in time which has to count for >> something in this matter. >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 11:36 PM, Dennis Burgess >> wrote: >>> It does when you are promoting your products and services as a Vendor >>> Member and you are NOT a WISPA Vendor member. >>> >>> --- >>> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer >>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services >>> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net >>> LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of "Learn RouterOS" >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>> Behalf Of Butch Evans >>> Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 6:36 PM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting >>> >>> On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 13:44 -0500, Jim Patient wrote: >>>> I would suggest using a WISPA vendor member for your training needs. >>> >>> He already asked about a WISPA vendor member (Mikrotik specifically). I >>> simply offered the information on my training opportunity coming up next >>> week. Of the HUNDREDS of students who have taken my training, the >>> comments have been very positive. I have (to my knowledge) taught over >>> 40 students who have taken MT training from other sources (including >>> Mikrotik and linktecks) who have made VERY positive comments regarding >>> the improved quality of my course over the other one they have taken. >>> This does not have to be a battle every time someone asks a question, >>> does it? >>> >>> -- >>> >>> * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* >>> * http://www.butchevans.com/ * Network Engineering * >>> * http://store.wispgear.net/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * >>> * http:
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting
Ya, but that person is not paying in the bar, and I am .. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of "Learn RouterOS" -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 11:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting My point still remains. If someone's smoking in a bar and I don't like it, I leave. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 11:57 PM, Dennis Burgess wrote: > Yes a few months to fill a vacancy. He also did work with CALEA committee > among other thngs. Not saying he did not do things for WISPA, but that still > does not give him the right to advertise his products. > > --- > Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer > Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services > Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net > LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of "Learn RouterOS" > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Josh Luthman > Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 10:50 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting > > I think I speak for many of us when I say I'm not going to stick with > WISPA if people are going to act like this. > > Butch was on the board at one point in time which has to count for > something in this matter. > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 11:36 PM, Dennis Burgess > wrote: >> It does when you are promoting your products and services as a Vendor >> Member and you are NOT a WISPA Vendor member. >> >> --- >> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer >> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services >> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net >> LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of "Learn RouterOS" >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Butch Evans >> Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 6:36 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting >> >> On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 13:44 -0500, Jim Patient wrote: >>> I would suggest using a WISPA vendor member for your training needs. >> >> He already asked about a WISPA vendor member (Mikrotik specifically). I >> simply offered the information on my training opportunity coming up next >> week. Of the HUNDREDS of students who have taken my training, the >> comments have been very positive. I have (to my knowledge) taught over >> 40 students who have taken MT training from other sources (including >> Mikrotik and linktecks) who have made VERY positive comments regarding >> the improved quality of my course over the other one they have taken. >> This does not have to be a battle every time someone asks a question, >> does it? >> >> -- >> >> * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* >> * http://www.butchevans.com/ * Network Engineering * >> * http://store.wispgear.net/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * >> * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * >> >> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> --
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting
My point still remains. If someone's smoking in a bar and I don't like it, I leave. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 11:57 PM, Dennis Burgess wrote: > Yes a few months to fill a vacancy. He also did work with CALEA committee > among other thngs. Not saying he did not do things for WISPA, but that still > does not give him the right to advertise his products. > > --- > Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer > Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services > Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net > LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of "Learn RouterOS" > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Josh Luthman > Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 10:50 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting > > I think I speak for many of us when I say I'm not going to stick with > WISPA if people are going to act like this. > > Butch was on the board at one point in time which has to count for > something in this matter. > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 11:36 PM, Dennis Burgess > wrote: >> It does when you are promoting your products and services as a Vendor >> Member and you are NOT a WISPA Vendor member. >> >> --- >> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer >> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services >> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net >> LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of "Learn RouterOS" >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Butch Evans >> Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 6:36 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting >> >> On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 13:44 -0500, Jim Patient wrote: >>> I would suggest using a WISPA vendor member for your training needs. >> >> He already asked about a WISPA vendor member (Mikrotik specifically). I >> simply offered the information on my training opportunity coming up next >> week. Of the HUNDREDS of students who have taken my training, the >> comments have been very positive. I have (to my knowledge) taught over >> 40 students who have taken MT training from other sources (including >> Mikrotik and linktecks) who have made VERY positive comments regarding >> the improved quality of my course over the other one they have taken. >> This does not have to be a battle every time someone asks a question, >> does it? >> >> -- >> >> * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* >> * http://www.butchevans.com/ * Network Engineering * >> * http://store.wispgear.net/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * >> * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * >> >> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WIS
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting
Yes a few months to fill a vacancy. He also did work with CALEA committee among other thngs. Not saying he did not do things for WISPA, but that still does not give him the right to advertise his products. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of "Learn RouterOS" -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 10:50 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting I think I speak for many of us when I say I'm not going to stick with WISPA if people are going to act like this. Butch was on the board at one point in time which has to count for something in this matter. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 11:36 PM, Dennis Burgess wrote: > It does when you are promoting your products and services as a Vendor > Member and you are NOT a WISPA Vendor member. > > --- > Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer > Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services > Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net > LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of "Learn RouterOS" > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Butch Evans > Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 6:36 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting > > On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 13:44 -0500, Jim Patient wrote: >> I would suggest using a WISPA vendor member for your training needs. > > He already asked about a WISPA vendor member (Mikrotik specifically). I > simply offered the information on my training opportunity coming up next > week. Of the HUNDREDS of students who have taken my training, the > comments have been very positive. I have (to my knowledge) taught over > 40 students who have taken MT training from other sources (including > Mikrotik and linktecks) who have made VERY positive comments regarding > the improved quality of my course over the other one they have taken. > This does not have to be a battle every time someone asks a question, > does it? > > -- > > * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* > * http://www.butchevans.com/ * Network Engineering * > * http://store.wispgear.net/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * > * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting
I think I speak for many of us when I say I'm not going to stick with WISPA if people are going to act like this. Butch was on the board at one point in time which has to count for something in this matter. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 11:36 PM, Dennis Burgess wrote: > It does when you are promoting your products and services as a Vendor > Member and you are NOT a WISPA Vendor member. > > --- > Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer > Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services > Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net > LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of "Learn RouterOS" > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Butch Evans > Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 6:36 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting > > On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 13:44 -0500, Jim Patient wrote: >> I would suggest using a WISPA vendor member for your training needs. > > He already asked about a WISPA vendor member (Mikrotik specifically). I > simply offered the information on my training opportunity coming up next > week. Of the HUNDREDS of students who have taken my training, the > comments have been very positive. I have (to my knowledge) taught over > 40 students who have taken MT training from other sources (including > Mikrotik and linktecks) who have made VERY positive comments regarding > the improved quality of my course over the other one they have taken. > This does not have to be a battle every time someone asks a question, > does it? > > -- > > * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* > * http://www.butchevans.com/ * Network Engineering * > * http://store.wispgear.net/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * > * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting
It does when you are promoting your products and services as a Vendor Member and you are NOT a WISPA Vendor member. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of "Learn RouterOS" -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 6:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 13:44 -0500, Jim Patient wrote: > I would suggest using a WISPA vendor member for your training needs. He already asked about a WISPA vendor member (Mikrotik specifically). I simply offered the information on my training opportunity coming up next week. Of the HUNDREDS of students who have taken my training, the comments have been very positive. I have (to my knowledge) taught over 40 students who have taken MT training from other sources (including Mikrotik and linktecks) who have made VERY positive comments regarding the improved quality of my course over the other one they have taken. This does not have to be a battle every time someone asks a question, does it? -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting
I agree with Josh's comment. Butch has been the first and last MikroTik consultant we've needed. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Alan Bryant Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 7:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting I second Butch as a personal recommendation. We haven't had to use him much, but he has always had great recommendations for questions I have asked on the list as well as questions I wanted to ask and someone else beat me to it. Also, his QOS script for RouterOS is pretty good as well! On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > I do see Butch's point. Need to relax on the wording. > > My personal recommendation is to use Butch as he is the first and last > consultant I have needed. > > On Jul 29, 2010 7:49 PM, wrote: > > Oooo! > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -Original Message- > From: Butch Evans > Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa... > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- Alan Bryant | Systems Administrator Gtek Computers & Wireless, LLC. a...@gtekcommunications.com | www.gtek.biz O 361-777-1400 | F 361-777-1405 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting
I second Butch as a personal recommendation. We haven't had to use him much, but he has always had great recommendations for questions I have asked on the list as well as questions I wanted to ask and someone else beat me to it. Also, his QOS script for RouterOS is pretty good as well! On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > I do see Butch's point. Need to relax on the wording. > > My personal recommendation is to use Butch as he is the first and last > consultant I have needed. > > On Jul 29, 2010 7:49 PM, wrote: > > Oooo! > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -Original Message- > From: Butch Evans > Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa... > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- Alan Bryant | Systems Administrator Gtek Computers & Wireless, LLC. a...@gtekcommunications.com | www.gtek.biz O 361-777-1400 | F 361-777-1405 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting
I do see Butch's point. Need to relax on the wording. My personal recommendation is to use Butch as he is the first and last consultant I have needed. On Jul 29, 2010 7:49 PM, wrote: Oooo! Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Butch Evans Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting
Oooo! Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Butch Evans Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 18:35:42 To: WISPA General List Reply-To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 13:44 -0500, Jim Patient wrote: > I would suggest using a WISPA vendor member for your training needs. He already asked about a WISPA vendor member (Mikrotik specifically). I simply offered the information on my training opportunity coming up next week. Of the HUNDREDS of students who have taken my training, the comments have been very positive. I have (to my knowledge) taught over 40 students who have taken MT training from other sources (including Mikrotik and linktecks) who have made VERY positive comments regarding the improved quality of my course over the other one they have taken. This does not have to be a battle every time someone asks a question, does it? -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting
On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 13:44 -0500, Jim Patient wrote: > I would suggest using a WISPA vendor member for your training needs. He already asked about a WISPA vendor member (Mikrotik specifically). I simply offered the information on my training opportunity coming up next week. Of the HUNDREDS of students who have taken my training, the comments have been very positive. I have (to my knowledge) taught over 40 students who have taken MT training from other sources (including Mikrotik and linktecks) who have made VERY positive comments regarding the improved quality of my course over the other one they have taken. This does not have to be a battle every time someone asks a question, does it? -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
