RE: [WISPA] Posting limits?
I was simply thinking about unsubscribing from the public list tonight. I have not checked my list email in several days and I just think it's a bunch of BS myself. Any time one man can take over a list and every thread - - I am about done! Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC. Rayville, La. www.inetsouth.com www.radioresponse.org (Katrina relief) www.mac-tel.us (VoIP sales) 318.728.8600 318.728.9600 318.303.4182 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 2:07 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Posting limits? Is anyone else getting tired of sorting through the exhaustive amount of email we are getting on the public list? Much of it is good stuff but I think we see some people who are posting more than we need to all see. I am thinking we should consider a post count limit per day per person. I would like to hear feedback on this concept. Maybe a max of 5 posts per day? I think if we do this we might see the message count drop to a slightly lower amount and I personally think this would be good. The WISPA public list is becoming too much for me to digest each day. Just wondering what the rest of you think. Before someone jumps on this and finds that I have regularly posted more than this let me tell you that I already know this. I am going to try to self-regulate from now on whether the group agrees with this concept or not. If a post count per day limit is too limiting to everyone then perhaps we need to consider splitting up list subject matter into multiple lists and allowing people to be members on lists of varying themes. This public list is just becoming too large I think. Thoughts? Scriv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Where do you live? Felix A. Lopez wrote: Marlon, The good ol MDS 900 MHz radios... Other - Since I am new I would be better at being a secretary or something like that. I enjoy coordinating eduational meetings, business development, webinars, and facilitating events; lobbying etc. For example, I was the executive secretary for the STLE West Coast while at Chevron. I recently attended a WiNOG conference and thought that would be interesting to help facilitate. WiNOG is Wireless Network Operators Group and topic are germane to wireless operators first and foremost. For example, I just helpd Douglas County PUD folks brainstorming and solved stuff on VLANing, tagged and untagged, element management systems, etc. So, if all you folks are busy running your WISPs and providing internet access to our rural compadres (and urban ones too), I am more than happy to become a secretary. By the way, I have MBA, BA, and two years towards an MSEE. I am a US Citizen, like listening to Neil Young, and son of a WWII veteran (he is still around). Felix --- Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Welcome Felix! Sounds like you've been around the block a time or two. Very cool. Did you know that there is an associate WISPA membership level? It allows you to be involved, sit on the board etc. I hope you'll be more involved here. I think that many of the issues that affect us are likely to also affect the SCADA folks these days. PLEASE tell me that you didn't do like the SCADA goofballs here in Odessa and put omni antennas at every site! Even the ones that only see ONE other site. I'm gonna have to work a LOT harder than I should have if I ever put in 900mhz. Hell, I already have gear at half of their sites, they should have just used my wireless system to do the SCADA collections. Our uptime is very very good. All they ended up with is a bunch of money to overbuild an existing network! laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Felix A. Lopez [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 9:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Posting limits? Marlon, I just joined this list and agree with your recommendations to supplment with a part time job. Prior to my current position, I worked at a winery on swing shift from 4 pm to 12 midnite and did my consulting work in the day time. Whew. And later I got hired by a big company in fixed wireless infrastructure with one of the larger manufacturers. By the way, I had a chance to visit Ehprata Washington when I visited the Grant County PUD folks. Very nice up there. I am originally from the rural area of Kings River, California, near the Kings Canyon National Park Hwy 180 Sierra Foothills. Worked for the US Forest Service, PGE in Power Distribution and Energy Conservation, Chevron in clean diesals, and now involved in RF networks wireless. We used wirleess in power distribution for our SCADA networks albeit in narrowband. Broadband provides interesting opportunities for the enterprise. The rural areas of San Joaquin Valley still searching for wireless. One of my friends is putting up a system. Using his own money. I always thought a lease program is ideal for wireless because of the change in generation of equipment. For example, Canopy is now Canopy Advantage. And other manufacturers are going to new generation. Good luck to you all here on this list. I am also involved in WiMax (or I should say pre-WiMax). Felix Lopez --- Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With 11 customers I HIGHLY suggest you get a part time job. Something flexible if you can. Taking that financial stress off will help you do a much better job. I drove tractor, did consulting, speaking, equipment sales, wrote articles etc. Whatever I could to make extra money. If I'd not have done those things, I'd have failed in this business for sure. Costs were too high and I had too much debt stacked up. And my wife works part time half the year so she's not a lot of help in feeding the family. marlon - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 2:52 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Posting limits? I will admit that I have a lot of potential, but potential doesn't mean dollars now. More than once I've looked at finding a part time job (again) so I have some money to invest in my operations. I need more equipment. I need more marketing. I need developers. I have no or little money to pay for the above. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Posting limits? Yeah, but you have all kinds of things going on. I see you on all the various lists looking for everything from
Re: [WISPA] Posting limits and other
That's cool stuff Felix! I'll bet our current secretary would love to see a replacement on the board. grin Board applications are on the www.wispa.org home page. big grin Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Felix A. Lopez [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 10:28 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Posting limits and other Marlon, The good ol MDS 900 MHz radios... Other - Since I am new I would be better at being a secretary or something like that. I enjoy coordinating eduational meetings, business development, webinars, and facilitating events; lobbying etc. For example, I was the executive secretary for the STLE West Coast while at Chevron. I recently attended a WiNOG conference and thought that would be interesting to help facilitate. WiNOG is Wireless Network Operators Group and topic are germane to wireless operators first and foremost. For example, I just helpd Douglas County PUD folks brainstorming and solved stuff on VLANing, tagged and untagged, element management systems, etc. So, if all you folks are busy running your WISPs and providing internet access to our rural compadres (and urban ones too), I am more than happy to become a secretary. By the way, I have MBA, BA, and two years towards an MSEE. I am a US Citizen, like listening to Neil Young, and son of a WWII veteran (he is still around). Felix --- Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Welcome Felix! Sounds like you've been around the block a time or two. Very cool. Did you know that there is an associate WISPA membership level? It allows you to be involved, sit on the board etc. I hope you'll be more involved here. I think that many of the issues that affect us are likely to also affect the SCADA folks these days. PLEASE tell me that you didn't do like the SCADA goofballs here in Odessa and put omni antennas at every site! Even the ones that only see ONE other site. I'm gonna have to work a LOT harder than I should have if I ever put in 900mhz. Hell, I already have gear at half of their sites, they should have just used my wireless system to do the SCADA collections. Our uptime is very very good. All they ended up with is a bunch of money to overbuild an existing network! laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Felix A. Lopez [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 9:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Posting limits? Marlon, I just joined this list and agree with your recommendations to supplment with a part time job. Prior to my current position, I worked at a winery on swing shift from 4 pm to 12 midnite and did my consulting work in the day time. Whew. And later I got hired by a big company in fixed wireless infrastructure with one of the larger manufacturers. By the way, I had a chance to visit Ehprata Washington when I visited the Grant County PUD folks. Very nice up there. I am originally from the rural area of Kings River, California, near the Kings Canyon National Park Hwy 180 Sierra Foothills. Worked for the US Forest Service, PGE in Power Distribution and Energy Conservation, Chevron in clean diesals, and now involved in RF networks wireless. We used wirleess in power distribution for our SCADA networks albeit in narrowband. Broadband provides interesting opportunities for the enterprise. The rural areas of San Joaquin Valley still searching for wireless. One of my friends is putting up a system. Using his own money. I always thought a lease program is ideal for wireless because of the change in generation of equipment. For example, Canopy is now Canopy Advantage. And other manufacturers are going to new generation. Good luck to you all here on this list. I am also involved in WiMax (or I should say pre-WiMax). Felix Lopez --- Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With 11 customers I HIGHLY suggest you get a part time job. Something flexible if you can. Taking that financial stress off will help you do a much better job. I drove tractor, did consulting, speaking, equipment sales, wrote articles etc. Whatever I could to make extra money. If I'd not have done those things, I'd have failed in this business for sure. Costs were too high and I had too much debt stacked up. And my wife works part time half the year so she's not a lot of help in feeding the family. marlon - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 2:52 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Posting limits? I will admit that I have a lot of potential, but potential doesn't mean dollars now. More than once I've looked at finding a part
Re: [WISPA] Posting limits?
Ty Carter Lightwave Communications wrote: I vote NO to posting limits... If you don't like the amount of mail, then unsubscribe to the mail and get a daily digest (if it is available) or read the posts via www; but I don't think posting limits should be imposed The Mailman softare does support digest form, so you can choose to get a couple big emails instead of a bunch of smaller ones. David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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FYIzzo, I recently discovered that one can tap 'm' to mute a conversation in gmail - relegating the remainder of a known-hopeless thread to the bountiful archive. Very helpful for NANOG and other lists which are generally useful but occasionally obnoxious. Or was it the other way around .. And yes, please to clean up thread cruft and only quote what's relevant. On 4/29/07, George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just hit next when it's thread that is tiresome. Best, -- Dylan Oliver Primaverity, LLC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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From: Ryan Langseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] One more thing, If you haven't watch/listened to it yet (do it twice): http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4216011961522818645 What a terrific link! Perfectly appropriate! At times LMAO because of how true the lessons are when applied to some of the threads and posters on this list. It's perfect how you didn't disclose the title ... that came as such an appropriate surprise when I opened the link. Everyone should view it (and do it twice just as you suggest). But for everyone who might not have taken the link, the title is How Open Source Projects Survive Poisonous People (And You Can Too). Doesn't have to be an Open Source Project for it to be applicable. You don't have to view it all ... but everyone should at minimum view the section on list-server behavior. I give it 2 thumbs up. Rich - Original Message - From: Ryan Langseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 6:24 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Posting limits? On Sun, 2007-04-29 at 14:07 -0500, John Scrivner wrote: Is anyone else getting tired of sorting through the exhaustive amount of email we are getting on the public list? Much of it is good stuff but I think we see some people who are posting more than we need to all see. I am thinking we should consider a post count limit per day per person. I would like to hear feedback on this concept. I think limiting posts would be a last resort fix to the problem. Believe it or not, this is a common problem on almost all email lists. The main problem is a lack of netiquette on this list. Good email manners, would fix the problem. http://www.albion.com/netiquette/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netiquette read Usenet and Email topics This is a list of the common annoyances I see on this list, 1) If you are replying to every message in a thread, STOP, Think, Let others respond, read, then reply. http://www.ryanlangseth.com/~langseth/Email.png 2) DON'T Start a new thread by hitting reply to the last message in another thread and changing the Subject line. It is bad form, and will show up wrong in the mailing list archives and some people's email client (mine). If you want to branch the subject prefix with your new topic and was: eg. Email List Etiquette WAS: Posting Limits? http://www.ryanlangseth.com/~langseth/Email.png 3) Remember this list is public, indexed by google. What you post here, much like MySpace it is going to be around for a very long time. Also remember this list is the public face of Wispa, if we want to _not_ be treated like cowboys by others (Telcos, FCC, Govnmt, etc), don't act like cowboys on the list. 4) DON'T troll. Trolls look for fights, they argue for the sake of arguing, they reduce conversations to personal attacks. One more thing, If you haven't watch/listened to it yet (do it twice): http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4216011961522818645 Ryan -- InvisiMax System Administrator e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Posting limits?
Is anyone else getting tired of sorting through the exhaustive amount of email we are getting on the public list? Much of it is good stuff but I think we see some people who are posting more than we need to all see. I am thinking we should consider a post count limit per day per person. I would like to hear feedback on this concept. Maybe a max of 5 posts per day? I think if we do this we might see the message count drop to a slightly lower amount and I personally think this would be good. The WISPA public list is becoming too much for me to digest each day. Just wondering what the rest of you think. Before someone jumps on this and finds that I have regularly posted more than this let me tell you that I already know this. I am going to try to self-regulate from now on whether the group agrees with this concept or not. If a post count per day limit is too limiting to everyone then perhaps we need to consider splitting up list subject matter into multiple lists and allowing people to be members on lists of varying themes. This public list is just becoming too large I think. Thoughts? Scriv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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I joined this list last week and already consider leaving due to the drama. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 2:07 PM Subject: [WISPA] Posting limits? Is anyone else getting tired of sorting through the exhaustive amount of email we are getting on the public list? Much of it is good stuff but I think we see some people who are posting more than we need to all see. I am thinking we should consider a post count limit per day per person. I would like to hear feedback on this concept. Maybe a max of 5 posts per day? I think if we do this we might see the message count drop to a slightly lower amount and I personally think this would be good. The WISPA public list is becoming too much for me to digest each day. Just wondering what the rest of you think. Before someone jumps on this and finds that I have regularly posted more than this let me tell you that I already know this. I am going to try to self-regulate from now on whether the group agrees with this concept or not. If a post count per day limit is too limiting to everyone then perhaps we need to consider splitting up list subject matter into multiple lists and allowing people to be members on lists of varying themes. This public list is just becoming too large I think. Thoughts? Scriv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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I wish I had 30. ;-) 11 paying customers here. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Posting limits? Mike Hammett wrote: I joined this list last week and already consider leaving due to the drama. It may feel a little like drama Mike, but calea is important and some people have very strong feelings one way or the other. It's good to see opinions, Ed saying he has 30 subs and will be out of business is informative and compelling. Some of us have operations that can carry the weight of the calea burden and others don't. Sometimes we all forget about the other guys circumstances. So dialogue is good. It's the ranting that gets old. Information is good, the more the better. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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I just hit next when it's thread that is tiresome. Maybe a posting limit for nonmembers :) Overall, if the dialogue is kept civil there should be no issues. Ranting is old though. John Scrivner wrote: Is anyone else getting tired of sorting through the exhaustive amount of email we are getting on the public list? Much of it is good stuff but I think we see some people who are posting more than we need to all see. I am thinking we should consider a post count limit per day per person. I would like to hear feedback on this concept. Maybe a max of 5 posts per day? I think if we do this we might see the message count drop to a slightly lower amount and I personally think this would be good. The WISPA public list is becoming too much for me to digest each day. Just wondering what the rest of you think. Before someone jumps on this and finds that I have regularly posted more than this let me tell you that I already know this. I am going to try to self-regulate from now on whether the group agrees with this concept or not. If a post count per day limit is too limiting to everyone then perhaps we need to consider splitting up list subject matter into multiple lists and allowing people to be members on lists of varying themes. This public list is just becoming too large I think. Thoughts? Scriv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Yeah, but you have all kinds of things going on. I see you on all the various lists looking for everything from fiber paths to long distance.. Heck, one of these days, I may even buy something from you. George Mike Hammett wrote: I wish I had 30. ;-) 11 paying customers here. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Posting limits? Mike Hammett wrote: I joined this list last week and already consider leaving due to the drama. It may feel a little like drama Mike, but calea is important and some people have very strong feelings one way or the other. It's good to see opinions, Ed saying he has 30 subs and will be out of business is informative and compelling. Some of us have operations that can carry the weight of the calea burden and others don't. Sometimes we all forget about the other guys circumstances. So dialogue is good. It's the ranting that gets old. Information is good, the more the better. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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I will admit that I have a lot of potential, but potential doesn't mean dollars now. More than once I've looked at finding a part time job (again) so I have some money to invest in my operations. I need more equipment. I need more marketing. I need developers. I have no or little money to pay for the above. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Posting limits? Yeah, but you have all kinds of things going on. I see you on all the various lists looking for everything from fiber paths to long distance.. Heck, one of these days, I may even buy something from you. George Mike Hammett wrote: I wish I had 30. ;-) 11 paying customers here. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Posting limits? Mike Hammett wrote: I joined this list last week and already consider leaving due to the drama. It may feel a little like drama Mike, but calea is important and some people have very strong feelings one way or the other. It's good to see opinions, Ed saying he has 30 subs and will be out of business is informative and compelling. Some of us have operations that can carry the weight of the calea burden and others don't. Sometimes we all forget about the other guys circumstances. So dialogue is good. It's the ranting that gets old. Information is good, the more the better. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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I vote NO to posting limits... If you don't like the amount of mail, then unsubscribe to the mail and get a daily digest (if it is available) or read the posts via www; but I don't think posting limits should be imposed Ty Carter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 3:07 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Posting limits? Is anyone else getting tired of sorting through the exhaustive amount of email we are getting on the public list? Much of it is good stuff but I think we see some people who are posting more than we need to all see. I am thinking we should consider a post count limit per day per person. I would like to hear feedback on this concept. Maybe a max of 5 posts per day? I think if we do this we might see the message count drop to a slightly lower amount and I personally think this would be good. The WISPA public list is becoming too much for me to digest each day. Just wondering what the rest of you think. Before someone jumps on this and finds that I have regularly posted more than this let me tell you that I already know this. I am going to try to self-regulate from now on whether the group agrees with this concept or not. If a post count per day limit is too limiting to everyone then perhaps we need to consider splitting up list subject matter into multiple lists and allowing people to be members on lists of varying themes. This public list is just becoming too large I think. Thoughts? Scriv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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On Sun, 2007-04-29 at 14:07 -0500, John Scrivner wrote: Is anyone else getting tired of sorting through the exhaustive amount of email we are getting on the public list? Much of it is good stuff but I think we see some people who are posting more than we need to all see. I am thinking we should consider a post count limit per day per person. I would like to hear feedback on this concept. I think limiting posts would be a last resort fix to the problem. Believe it or not, this is a common problem on almost all email lists. The main problem is a lack of netiquette on this list. Good email manners, would fix the problem. http://www.albion.com/netiquette/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netiquette read Usenet and Email topics This is a list of the common annoyances I see on this list, 1) If you are replying to every message in a thread, STOP, Think, Let others respond, read, then reply. http://www.ryanlangseth.com/~langseth/Email.png 2) DON'T Start a new thread by hitting reply to the last message in another thread and changing the Subject line. It is bad form, and will show up wrong in the mailing list archives and some people's email client (mine). If you want to branch the subject prefix with your new topic and was: eg. Email List Etiquette WAS: Posting Limits? http://www.ryanlangseth.com/~langseth/Email.png 3) Remember this list is public, indexed by google. What you post here, much like MySpace it is going to be around for a very long time. Also remember this list is the public face of Wispa, if we want to _not_ be treated like cowboys by others (Telcos, FCC, Govnmt, etc), don't act like cowboys on the list. 4) DON'T troll. Trolls look for fights, they argue for the sake of arguing, they reduce conversations to personal attacks. One more thing, If you haven't watch/listened to it yet (do it twice): http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4216011961522818645 Ryan -- InvisiMax System Administrator e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Posting limits?
Mike, This is a great list. There's always drama when there are people involved. The private list is much better. Join wispa and take advantage of that. As for what's happening here, it happens from time to time. Usually dies off or we squish it once it's gone on till there's absolutely nothing new to say. Right now, I'm trying to educate people on the realities of CALEA and some of the other things WISPA is doing and wants to do when there is enough help and time. marlon - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Posting limits? I joined this list last week and already consider leaving due to the drama. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 2:07 PM Subject: [WISPA] Posting limits? Is anyone else getting tired of sorting through the exhaustive amount of email we are getting on the public list? Much of it is good stuff but I think we see some people who are posting more than we need to all see. I am thinking we should consider a post count limit per day per person. I would like to hear feedback on this concept. Maybe a max of 5 posts per day? I think if we do this we might see the message count drop to a slightly lower amount and I personally think this would be good. The WISPA public list is becoming too much for me to digest each day. Just wondering what the rest of you think. Before someone jumps on this and finds that I have regularly posted more than this let me tell you that I already know this. I am going to try to self-regulate from now on whether the group agrees with this concept or not. If a post count per day limit is too limiting to everyone then perhaps we need to consider splitting up list subject matter into multiple lists and allowing people to be members on lists of varying themes. This public list is just becoming too large I think. Thoughts? Scriv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Posting limits?
Cool! That's more than I stared with! We'll hit 425 by the end of the year. More than that if the growth doesn't slow down a little. marlon - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Posting limits? I wish I had 30. ;-) 11 paying customers here. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Posting limits? Mike Hammett wrote: I joined this list last week and already consider leaving due to the drama. It may feel a little like drama Mike, but calea is important and some people have very strong feelings one way or the other. It's good to see opinions, Ed saying he has 30 subs and will be out of business is informative and compelling. Some of us have operations that can carry the weight of the calea burden and others don't. Sometimes we all forget about the other guys circumstances. So dialogue is good. It's the ranting that gets old. Information is good, the more the better. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Posting limits?
With 11 customers I HIGHLY suggest you get a part time job. Something flexible if you can. Taking that financial stress off will help you do a much better job. I drove tractor, did consulting, speaking, equipment sales, wrote articles etc. Whatever I could to make extra money. If I'd not have done those things, I'd have failed in this business for sure. Costs were too high and I had too much debt stacked up. And my wife works part time half the year so she's not a lot of help in feeding the family. marlon - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 2:52 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Posting limits? I will admit that I have a lot of potential, but potential doesn't mean dollars now. More than once I've looked at finding a part time job (again) so I have some money to invest in my operations. I need more equipment. I need more marketing. I need developers. I have no or little money to pay for the above. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Posting limits? Yeah, but you have all kinds of things going on. I see you on all the various lists looking for everything from fiber paths to long distance.. Heck, one of these days, I may even buy something from you. George Mike Hammett wrote: I wish I had 30. ;-) 11 paying customers here. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Posting limits? Mike Hammett wrote: I joined this list last week and already consider leaving due to the drama. It may feel a little like drama Mike, but calea is important and some people have very strong feelings one way or the other. It's good to see opinions, Ed saying he has 30 subs and will be out of business is informative and compelling. Some of us have operations that can carry the weight of the calea burden and others don't. Sometimes we all forget about the other guys circumstances. So dialogue is good. It's the ranting that gets old. Information is good, the more the better. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Posting limits?
Marlon, I just joined this list and agree with your recommendations to supplment with a part time job. Prior to my current position, I worked at a winery on swing shift from 4 pm to 12 midnite and did my consulting work in the day time. Whew. And later I got hired by a big company in fixed wireless infrastructure with one of the larger manufacturers. By the way, I had a chance to visit Ehprata Washington when I visited the Grant County PUD folks. Very nice up there. I am originally from the rural area of Kings River, California, near the Kings Canyon National Park Hwy 180 Sierra Foothills. Worked for the US Forest Service, PGE in Power Distribution and Energy Conservation, Chevron in clean diesals, and now involved in RF networks wireless. We used wirleess in power distribution for our SCADA networks albeit in narrowband. Broadband provides interesting opportunities for the enterprise. The rural areas of San Joaquin Valley still searching for wireless. One of my friends is putting up a system. Using his own money. I always thought a lease program is ideal for wireless because of the change in generation of equipment. For example, Canopy is now Canopy Advantage. And other manufacturers are going to new generation. Good luck to you all here on this list. I am also involved in WiMax (or I should say pre-WiMax). Felix Lopez --- Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With 11 customers I HIGHLY suggest you get a part time job. Something flexible if you can. Taking that financial stress off will help you do a much better job. I drove tractor, did consulting, speaking, equipment sales, wrote articles etc. Whatever I could to make extra money. If I'd not have done those things, I'd have failed in this business for sure. Costs were too high and I had too much debt stacked up. And my wife works part time half the year so she's not a lot of help in feeding the family. marlon - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 2:52 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Posting limits? I will admit that I have a lot of potential, but potential doesn't mean dollars now. More than once I've looked at finding a part time job (again) so I have some money to invest in my operations. I need more equipment. I need more marketing. I need developers. I have no or little money to pay for the above. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Posting limits? Yeah, but you have all kinds of things going on. I see you on all the various lists looking for everything from fiber paths to long distance.. Heck, one of these days, I may even buy something from you. George Mike Hammett wrote: I wish I had 30. ;-) 11 paying customers here. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Posting limits? Mike Hammett wrote: I joined this list last week and already consider leaving due to the drama. It may feel a little like drama Mike, but calea is important and some people have very strong feelings one way or the other. It's good to see opinions, Ed saying he has 30 subs and will be out of business is informative and compelling. Some of us have operations that can carry the weight of the calea burden and others don't. Sometimes we all forget about the other guys circumstances. So dialogue is good. It's the ranting that gets old. Information is good, the more the better. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo
Re: [WISPA] Posting limits?
Welcome Felix! Sounds like you've been around the block a time or two. Very cool. Did you know that there is an associate WISPA membership level? It allows you to be involved, sit on the board etc. I hope you'll be more involved here. I think that many of the issues that affect us are likely to also affect the SCADA folks these days. PLEASE tell me that you didn't do like the SCADA goofballs here in Odessa and put omni antennas at every site! Even the ones that only see ONE other site. I'm gonna have to work a LOT harder than I should have if I ever put in 900mhz. Hell, I already have gear at half of their sites, they should have just used my wireless system to do the SCADA collections. Our uptime is very very good. All they ended up with is a bunch of money to overbuild an existing network! laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Felix A. Lopez [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 9:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Posting limits? Marlon, I just joined this list and agree with your recommendations to supplment with a part time job. Prior to my current position, I worked at a winery on swing shift from 4 pm to 12 midnite and did my consulting work in the day time. Whew. And later I got hired by a big company in fixed wireless infrastructure with one of the larger manufacturers. By the way, I had a chance to visit Ehprata Washington when I visited the Grant County PUD folks. Very nice up there. I am originally from the rural area of Kings River, California, near the Kings Canyon National Park Hwy 180 Sierra Foothills. Worked for the US Forest Service, PGE in Power Distribution and Energy Conservation, Chevron in clean diesals, and now involved in RF networks wireless. We used wirleess in power distribution for our SCADA networks albeit in narrowband. Broadband provides interesting opportunities for the enterprise. The rural areas of San Joaquin Valley still searching for wireless. One of my friends is putting up a system. Using his own money. I always thought a lease program is ideal for wireless because of the change in generation of equipment. For example, Canopy is now Canopy Advantage. And other manufacturers are going to new generation. Good luck to you all here on this list. I am also involved in WiMax (or I should say pre-WiMax). Felix Lopez --- Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With 11 customers I HIGHLY suggest you get a part time job. Something flexible if you can. Taking that financial stress off will help you do a much better job. I drove tractor, did consulting, speaking, equipment sales, wrote articles etc. Whatever I could to make extra money. If I'd not have done those things, I'd have failed in this business for sure. Costs were too high and I had too much debt stacked up. And my wife works part time half the year so she's not a lot of help in feeding the family. marlon - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 2:52 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Posting limits? I will admit that I have a lot of potential, but potential doesn't mean dollars now. More than once I've looked at finding a part time job (again) so I have some money to invest in my operations. I need more equipment. I need more marketing. I need developers. I have no or little money to pay for the above. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Posting limits? Yeah, but you have all kinds of things going on. I see you on all the various lists looking for everything from fiber paths to long distance.. Heck, one of these days, I may even buy something from you. George Mike Hammett wrote: I wish I had 30. ;-) 11 paying customers here. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Posting limits? Mike Hammett wrote: I joined this list last week and already consider leaving due to the drama. It may feel a little like drama Mike, but calea is important and some people have very strong feelings one way or the other. It's good to see opinions, Ed saying he has 30 subs and will be out of business is informative and compelling. Some of us have operations that can carry the weight of the calea burden and others don't. Sometimes we all forget about the other guys circumstances. So dialogue is good. It's the ranting that gets old. Information is good, the more the better. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman
