Re: [WISPA] Proper 24V battery float voltage
Are you using the sitemonitor to connect to the relays? That would be cool. Now I need to learn how to monitor the snmp on the sitemonitor with my nagios. Chris -Original Message- From: Kristian Hoffmann Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 11:35 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Proper 24V battery float voltage The DRP-240-24 is a DC power supply. The DR-UPS40 connects between it and the batteries to provide feedback (via relays) and regulate the charge current. The two combined provide roughly the same functionality of the Samlex, minus the smart charger abilities (temperature compensation and absorption phase). I'm using two SD-200B-48s for positive and negative ground 48VDC equipment, in addition to running 24VDC off the batteries and DRP-240-24. In this particular case, I'm also using a DR-RDN20 to combine two complete sets (batteries, DC supply, etc.) for added capacity and reliability (I hope). The guys at PowerGate have been helpful and have great prices. They also advised against connecting two SD-150B-24's in parallel (my original plan) because even a few mV difference could cause the load to bias towards one regulator or another. So many choices... -Kristian On Fri, 2011-05-27 at 20:39 -0500, ch...@htswireless.com wrote: > I have changed up my charge controller on my setup to a Samlex SEC2415A. > It's a bit overkill, but I had bought almost 1.5 years ago for a > different > project and forgot about it. Those individual 12v battery maintainers > sucked > for this application. So far that Samlex has rocked! I recently bought a > DuraComm Corp SC-24 from Tessco and have is running on my next rig to put > at > one of my towers, just haven't decided which one I digress, the Samlex > in production is charging two marine batteries and maintaining at 27.0V > and > the Duracomm in my office is maintaing at 27.7. I wonder if that's because > of temperature differences? The Samlex is in a lot hotter environment than > my office is. > > Sidenote: that 24V regulator died when it overheated. I have since bought > some Meanwell DC-DC regulators and put a SD-100B24 (100W) into that > production setup on Tuesday, and so far so good. I have a 50W and this > next > setup for a smaller tower. I'm pretty impressed so far with the > efficiency. > So far with 10 Mikrotik AP's and BH's and a 24V to 12V converter to power > a > switch, the switch I am only using 62 Watts of power! Less than I > expected... > > Oh yeah, the Meanwell's are a lot cheaper than that one DC-DC regulator > that > you used. They have a perforated cover design that seems like they should > cool easier. > > http://www.trcelectronics.com/Meanwell/sd-100b-24.shtml > http://www.trcelectronics.com/Meanwell/sd-50b-24.shtml > > I'll probably get this for the next 24v to 12v. It's only 15W instead of > 60W, so maybe less waste of electricity... Plus my switch uses maximum of > 12v 1amp. I'm using a Netgear FS116 switch instead of a MT. I have to > figure > out how the MT would fit into my tower setup. > http://www.trcelectronics.com/Meanwell/sd-15b-12.shtml > > Chris > > Hope I didn't hijack the thread > > -Original Message- > From: Kristian Hoffmann > Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 6:25 PM > To: wireless@wispa.org > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Proper 24V battery float voltage > > Awesome. Just what I was looking for. Thanks both for the feedback. > > Have a great weekend! > > -Kristian > > On Fri, 2011-05-27 at 16:41 -0600, Scott Parsons wrote: > > Basically 27.2V to 27.6V at 25C > > -30mV/degree C temperature factor > > Colder temperature require higher float voltage and higher temps require > > lower float voltages. > > > > AGM and GEL would be the same. Wet Lead Acid batteries are different > > charging specs. > > > > Hope this helps, > > Regards, > > Scott Parsons > > Tycon Power > > > > -Original Message- > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > > Behalf Of Mathew Howard > > Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 3:00 PM > > To: 'WISPA General List' > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Proper 24V battery float voltage > > > > It depends on the temperature, it's been a while since I researched it, > > but > > if I remember correctly I decided the best compromise around here would > > be > > ~27.5v. you may want it a little higher or lower depending on your > > climate. > > > > I would check the battery manufacturer's website, at least one that I > > checked had a chart that showed the proper float voltage at various > > temperatures. > > >
Re: [WISPA] Proper 24V battery float voltage
The DRP-240-24 is a DC power supply. The DR-UPS40 connects between it and the batteries to provide feedback (via relays) and regulate the charge current. The two combined provide roughly the same functionality of the Samlex, minus the smart charger abilities (temperature compensation and absorption phase). I'm using two SD-200B-48s for positive and negative ground 48VDC equipment, in addition to running 24VDC off the batteries and DRP-240-24. In this particular case, I'm also using a DR-RDN20 to combine two complete sets (batteries, DC supply, etc.) for added capacity and reliability (I hope). The guys at PowerGate have been helpful and have great prices. They also advised against connecting two SD-150B-24's in parallel (my original plan) because even a few mV difference could cause the load to bias towards one regulator or another. So many choices... -Kristian On Fri, 2011-05-27 at 20:39 -0500, ch...@htswireless.com wrote: > I have changed up my charge controller on my setup to a Samlex SEC2415A. > It's a bit overkill, but I had bought almost 1.5 years ago for a different > project and forgot about it. Those individual 12v battery maintainers sucked > for this application. So far that Samlex has rocked! I recently bought a > DuraComm Corp SC-24 from Tessco and have is running on my next rig to put at > one of my towers, just haven't decided which one I digress, the Samlex > in production is charging two marine batteries and maintaining at 27.0V and > the Duracomm in my office is maintaing at 27.7. I wonder if that's because > of temperature differences? The Samlex is in a lot hotter environment than > my office is. > > Sidenote: that 24V regulator died when it overheated. I have since bought > some Meanwell DC-DC regulators and put a SD-100B24 (100W) into that > production setup on Tuesday, and so far so good. I have a 50W and this next > setup for a smaller tower. I'm pretty impressed so far with the efficiency. > So far with 10 Mikrotik AP's and BH's and a 24V to 12V converter to power a > switch, the switch I am only using 62 Watts of power! Less than I > expected... > > Oh yeah, the Meanwell's are a lot cheaper than that one DC-DC regulator that > you used. They have a perforated cover design that seems like they should > cool easier. > > http://www.trcelectronics.com/Meanwell/sd-100b-24.shtml > http://www.trcelectronics.com/Meanwell/sd-50b-24.shtml > > I'll probably get this for the next 24v to 12v. It's only 15W instead of > 60W, so maybe less waste of electricity... Plus my switch uses maximum of > 12v 1amp. I'm using a Netgear FS116 switch instead of a MT. I have to figure > out how the MT would fit into my tower setup. > http://www.trcelectronics.com/Meanwell/sd-15b-12.shtml > > Chris > > Hope I didn't hijack the thread > > -Original Message- > From: Kristian Hoffmann > Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 6:25 PM > To: wireless@wispa.org > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Proper 24V battery float voltage > > Awesome. Just what I was looking for. Thanks both for the feedback. > > Have a great weekend! > > -Kristian > > On Fri, 2011-05-27 at 16:41 -0600, Scott Parsons wrote: > > Basically 27.2V to 27.6V at 25C > > -30mV/degree C temperature factor > > Colder temperature require higher float voltage and higher temps require > > lower float voltages. > > > > AGM and GEL would be the same. Wet Lead Acid batteries are different > > charging specs. > > > > Hope this helps, > > Regards, > > Scott Parsons > > Tycon Power > > > > -Original Message- > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > > Behalf Of Mathew Howard > > Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 3:00 PM > > To: 'WISPA General List' > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Proper 24V battery float voltage > > > > It depends on the temperature, it's been a while since I researched it, > > but > > if I remember correctly I decided the best compromise around here would be > > ~27.5v. you may want it a little higher or lower depending on your > > climate. > > > > I would check the battery manufacturer's website, at least one that I > > checked had a chart that showed the proper float voltage at various > > temperatures. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > > Behalf Of Kristian Hoffmann > > Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 1:30 PM > > To: WISPA General List > > Subject: [WISPA] Proper 24V battery float voltage > > > > Hi, > > > > Would someone mind sharin
Re: [WISPA] Proper 24V battery float voltage
I have changed up my charge controller on my setup to a Samlex SEC2415A. It's a bit overkill, but I had bought almost 1.5 years ago for a different project and forgot about it. Those individual 12v battery maintainers sucked for this application. So far that Samlex has rocked! I recently bought a DuraComm Corp SC-24 from Tessco and have is running on my next rig to put at one of my towers, just haven't decided which one I digress, the Samlex in production is charging two marine batteries and maintaining at 27.0V and the Duracomm in my office is maintaing at 27.7. I wonder if that's because of temperature differences? The Samlex is in a lot hotter environment than my office is. Sidenote: that 24V regulator died when it overheated. I have since bought some Meanwell DC-DC regulators and put a SD-100B24 (100W) into that production setup on Tuesday, and so far so good. I have a 50W and this next setup for a smaller tower. I'm pretty impressed so far with the efficiency. So far with 10 Mikrotik AP's and BH's and a 24V to 12V converter to power a switch, the switch I am only using 62 Watts of power! Less than I expected... Oh yeah, the Meanwell's are a lot cheaper than that one DC-DC regulator that you used. They have a perforated cover design that seems like they should cool easier. http://www.trcelectronics.com/Meanwell/sd-100b-24.shtml http://www.trcelectronics.com/Meanwell/sd-50b-24.shtml I'll probably get this for the next 24v to 12v. It's only 15W instead of 60W, so maybe less waste of electricity... Plus my switch uses maximum of 12v 1amp. I'm using a Netgear FS116 switch instead of a MT. I have to figure out how the MT would fit into my tower setup. http://www.trcelectronics.com/Meanwell/sd-15b-12.shtml Chris Hope I didn't hijack the thread -Original Message- From: Kristian Hoffmann Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 6:25 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Proper 24V battery float voltage Awesome. Just what I was looking for. Thanks both for the feedback. Have a great weekend! -Kristian On Fri, 2011-05-27 at 16:41 -0600, Scott Parsons wrote: > Basically 27.2V to 27.6V at 25C > -30mV/degree C temperature factor > Colder temperature require higher float voltage and higher temps require > lower float voltages. > > AGM and GEL would be the same. Wet Lead Acid batteries are different > charging specs. > > Hope this helps, > Regards, > Scott Parsons > Tycon Power > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Mathew Howard > Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 3:00 PM > To: 'WISPA General List' > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Proper 24V battery float voltage > > It depends on the temperature, it's been a while since I researched it, > but > if I remember correctly I decided the best compromise around here would be > ~27.5v. you may want it a little higher or lower depending on your > climate. > > I would check the battery manufacturer's website, at least one that I > checked had a chart that showed the proper float voltage at various > temperatures. > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Kristian Hoffmann > Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 1:30 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] Proper 24V battery float voltage > > Hi, > > Would someone mind sharing their experience/suggestion on the proper float > voltage for a 24V battery bank (2x 12V 44Ah AGM batteries)? > > I'm using the MeanWell DRP-240-24 along with a DR-UPS40. It's not a three > phase charger, but just limits the charging current to 2A. The voltage is > adjustable at the source, and will ultimately determine my charge/float > voltage. Based on my research, the highest voltage I should use is 13.8x2 > = > 27.6 to avoid boiling the batteries but still achieving a maximum charge. > I > was about to move on until I found another source suggesting that the > ideal > float voltage for telecom UPS batteries was 13.2x2 = 26.4. > > Thoughts? > > Thanks, > > -- > Kristian Hoffmann > System Administrator > kh...@fire2wire.com > http://www.fire2wire.com > > Office - 209-543-1800 | Fax - 209-545-1469 | Toll Free - 800-905-FIRE > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > >
Re: [WISPA] Proper 24V battery float voltage
Awesome. Just what I was looking for. Thanks both for the feedback. Have a great weekend! -Kristian On Fri, 2011-05-27 at 16:41 -0600, Scott Parsons wrote: > Basically 27.2V to 27.6V at 25C > -30mV/degree C temperature factor > Colder temperature require higher float voltage and higher temps require > lower float voltages. > > AGM and GEL would be the same. Wet Lead Acid batteries are different > charging specs. > > Hope this helps, > Regards, > Scott Parsons > Tycon Power > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Mathew Howard > Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 3:00 PM > To: 'WISPA General List' > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Proper 24V battery float voltage > > It depends on the temperature, it's been a while since I researched it, but > if I remember correctly I decided the best compromise around here would be > ~27.5v. you may want it a little higher or lower depending on your climate. > > I would check the battery manufacturer's website, at least one that I > checked had a chart that showed the proper float voltage at various > temperatures. > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Kristian Hoffmann > Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 1:30 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] Proper 24V battery float voltage > > Hi, > > Would someone mind sharing their experience/suggestion on the proper float > voltage for a 24V battery bank (2x 12V 44Ah AGM batteries)? > > I'm using the MeanWell DRP-240-24 along with a DR-UPS40. It's not a three > phase charger, but just limits the charging current to 2A. The voltage is > adjustable at the source, and will ultimately determine my charge/float > voltage. Based on my research, the highest voltage I should use is 13.8x2 = > 27.6 to avoid boiling the batteries but still achieving a maximum charge. I > was about to move on until I found another source suggesting that the ideal > float voltage for telecom UPS batteries was 13.2x2 = 26.4. > > Thoughts? > > Thanks, > > -- > Kristian Hoffmann > System Administrator > kh...@fire2wire.com > http://www.fire2wire.com > > Office - 209-543-1800 | Fax - 209-545-1469 | Toll Free - 800-905-FIRE > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Proper 24V battery float voltage
Basically 27.2V to 27.6V at 25C -30mV/degree C temperature factor Colder temperature require higher float voltage and higher temps require lower float voltages. AGM and GEL would be the same. Wet Lead Acid batteries are different charging specs. Hope this helps, Regards, Scott Parsons Tycon Power -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 3:00 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Proper 24V battery float voltage It depends on the temperature, it's been a while since I researched it, but if I remember correctly I decided the best compromise around here would be ~27.5v. you may want it a little higher or lower depending on your climate. I would check the battery manufacturer's website, at least one that I checked had a chart that showed the proper float voltage at various temperatures. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kristian Hoffmann Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 1:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Proper 24V battery float voltage Hi, Would someone mind sharing their experience/suggestion on the proper float voltage for a 24V battery bank (2x 12V 44Ah AGM batteries)? I'm using the MeanWell DRP-240-24 along with a DR-UPS40. It's not a three phase charger, but just limits the charging current to 2A. The voltage is adjustable at the source, and will ultimately determine my charge/float voltage. Based on my research, the highest voltage I should use is 13.8x2 = 27.6 to avoid boiling the batteries but still achieving a maximum charge. I was about to move on until I found another source suggesting that the ideal float voltage for telecom UPS batteries was 13.2x2 = 26.4. Thoughts? Thanks, -- Kristian Hoffmann System Administrator kh...@fire2wire.com http://www.fire2wire.com Office - 209-543-1800 | Fax - 209-545-1469 | Toll Free - 800-905-FIRE WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ <> WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Proper 24V battery float voltage
It depends on the temperature, it's been a while since I researched it, but if I remember correctly I decided the best compromise around here would be ~27.5v. you may want it a little higher or lower depending on your climate. I would check the battery manufacturer's website, at least one that I checked had a chart that showed the proper float voltage at various temperatures. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kristian Hoffmann Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 1:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Proper 24V battery float voltage Hi, Would someone mind sharing their experience/suggestion on the proper float voltage for a 24V battery bank (2x 12V 44Ah AGM batteries)? I'm using the MeanWell DRP-240-24 along with a DR-UPS40. It's not a three phase charger, but just limits the charging current to 2A. The voltage is adjustable at the source, and will ultimately determine my charge/float voltage. Based on my research, the highest voltage I should use is 13.8x2 = 27.6 to avoid boiling the batteries but still achieving a maximum charge. I was about to move on until I found another source suggesting that the ideal float voltage for telecom UPS batteries was 13.2x2 = 26.4. Thoughts? Thanks, -- Kristian Hoffmann System Administrator kh...@fire2wire.com http://www.fire2wire.com Office - 209-543-1800 | Fax - 209-545-1469 | Toll Free - 800-905-FIRE WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Proper 24V battery float voltage
Hi, Would someone mind sharing their experience/suggestion on the proper float voltage for a 24V battery bank (2x 12V 44Ah AGM batteries)? I'm using the MeanWell DRP-240-24 along with a DR-UPS40. It's not a three phase charger, but just limits the charging current to 2A. The voltage is adjustable at the source, and will ultimately determine my charge/float voltage. Based on my research, the highest voltage I should use is 13.8x2 = 27.6 to avoid boiling the batteries but still achieving a maximum charge. I was about to move on until I found another source suggesting that the ideal float voltage for telecom UPS batteries was 13.2x2 = 26.4. Thoughts? Thanks, -- Kristian Hoffmann System Administrator kh...@fire2wire.com http://www.fire2wire.com Office - 209-543-1800 | Fax - 209-545-1469 | Toll Free - 800-905-FIRE WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
