Re: [WISPA] Smith: Companies must save private data to combatchildporn
IPv6 makes this tracking even more difficult, if you don't set things up correctly in the first place. Regards, Jeff ImageStream Sales Manager 800-813-5123 x106 _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 1:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Smith: Companies must save private data to combatchildporn I believe it is more politically correct to disobey the law to protest it, than to break the law to enforce the law. I'd argue that breaking a law to enforce another leaves a loophole for a defendant, that disobeyed a law that should be protested, to use as a defense to have issue thrown out of court. I believe if stricter tracking regulations ever get made, the laws will likely get challenged. If you think its tough for small WISPs to archive usage data, jsut think how hard it would be for a large company serving millions of subs. And even if ISPs tracked the info, what good would it really do? How would one even verify the accuracy of the collected data, and verify it was not tampered with. For example, to prevent someone from framing another person, by spoofing IPs and such. If there is one law or regulation that should be made, it is that a broadband provider should not be required or allowed to fullfill the role of a law enforcement agent or spy, without first establishing probable cause, gainng warrante or subpeona, and supervision of law enforcement agent for the specific task. The cost of doing it blanket accross the board everyday for all far exceeds the Return of doing it. Not in line with goals of NBP to get affordable broadband to Americans. I'm not even sure that ISPs should ahve the right to store information without permission from the owner of the information. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Smith: Companies must save private data to combatchild porn I want that NCIS computer where every search takes a while but comes back with a BEEP BEEP so everyone knows in the room that they had results. Oh and the searches they do on cell is instantaneous plus they get in to every ISP without even a second thought. TV is just that entertainment, it would be cool for congress if life was like TV and personal rights of privacy didn't exist, that stupid inconvenient constitution keeps getting in the way of everything! My fav is when they justify breaking the law to enforce the law, what would be the point of the 'rule of law' if everyone adopted the 'ends justify the means' philosophy? I'll stop there before I get political, see restraint DOES come with age. Forbes On 1/26/2011 7:29 AM, Jeromie Reeves wrote: I would love to see the proof where someone got away for not having the ip/user information (but really, isps should haveat least that) and that every case that had ip/user information did result in a conviction of the correct offender. Personally, I think some politicians have been watching to much SVU and CSI. On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 6:21 AM, St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com wrote: Yep, I hear you Stuart. So how do you battle ... stupid, we know you can't fix stupid . Victoria Proffer - President/CEO www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com www.FarmingtonForum.com 314-974-5600 -Original Message- From: Stuart Pierce [mailto:spie...@avolve.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 7:30 AM To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Smith: Companies must save private data to combatchild porn Well it would seem they don't want us around, afterall, the less players there are, the more control there is. The world is crazy and this is just one more reactionary move by inept people in charge. Closer to the root of the problems needs to be addressed, but using the word of the day, they are disconnected ( probably have fiber in their palaces ). -- Original Message -- From: St. Louis Broadbandli...@stlbroadband.com Reply-To: li...@stlbroadband.com, WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 20:22:28 -0600 Same thing here from CNET: http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20029393-281.html#ixzz1C6HMbtXG http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20029393-281.html Except they are saying it has to be saved for two years! All browsing data and email. Nice if you're a big ILEC and have endless funds . The more I look at the state of the broadband market today, I wonder if WISPs will exist in the next few years. Victoria Proffer - President/CEO www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com www.FarmingtonForum.comhttp://farmingtonforum.com/ 314-974-5600 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Smith: Companies must save private data to combatchildporn
Exactly, I don't think we have permission to store their private information either. If we are asked to fulfill the role of a law enforcement position we should get paid. We are asked to be a tax collector and we are not paid and I actually think that that is against the law, but we won't go there. -- Original Message -- From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 13:43:55 -0500 I believe it is more politically correct to disobey the law to protest it, than to break the law to enforce the law. I'd argue that breaking a law to enforce another leaves a loophole for a defendant, that disobeyed a law that should be protested, to use as a defense to have issue thrown out of court. I believe if stricter tracking regulations ever get made, the laws will likely get challenged. If you think its tough for small WISPs to archive usage data, jsut think how hard it would be for a large company serving millions of subs. And even if ISPs tracked the info, what good would it really do? How would one even verify the accuracy of the collected data, and verify it was not tampered with. For example, to prevent someone from framing another person, by spoofing IPs and such. If there is one law or regulation that should be made, it is that a broadband provider should not be required or allowed to fullfill the role of a law enforcement agent or spy, without first establishing probable cause, gainng warrante or subpeona, and supervision of law enforcement agent for the specific task. The cost of doing it blanket accross the board everyday for all far exceeds the Return of doing it. Not in line with goals of NBP to get affordable broadband to Americans. I'm not even sure that ISPs should ahve the right to store information without permission from the owner of the information. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Smith: Companies must save private data to combatchild porn I want that NCIS computer where every search takes a while but comes back with a BEEP BEEP so everyone knows in the room that they had results. Oh and the searches they do on cell is instantaneous plus they get in to every ISP without even a second thought. TV is just that entertainment, it would be cool for congress if life was like TV and personal rights of privacy didn't exist, that stupid inconvenient constitution keeps getting in the way of everything! My fav is when they justify breaking the law to enforce the law, what would be the point of the 'rule of law' if everyone adopted the 'ends justify the means' philosophy? I'll stop there before I get political, see restraint DOES come with age. Forbes On 1/26/2011 7:29 AM, Jeromie Reeves wrote: I would love to see the proof where someone got away for not having the ip/user information (but really, isps should haveat least that) and that every case that had ip/user information did result in a conviction of the correct offender. Personally, I think some politicians have been watching to much SVU and CSI. On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 6:21 AM, St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com wrote: Yep, I hear you Stuart. So how do you battle ... stupid, we know you can't fix stupid Victoria Proffer - President/CEO www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com www.FarmingtonForum.com 314-974-5600 -Original Message- From: Stuart Pierce [mailto:spie...@avolve.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 7:30 AM To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Smith: Companies must save private data to combatchild porn Well it would seem they don't want us around, afterall, the less players there are, the more control there is. The world is crazy and this is just one more reactionary move by inept people in charge. Closer to the root of the problems needs to be addressed, but using the word of the day, they are disconnected ( probably have fiber in their palaces ). -- Original Message -- From: St. Louis Broadbandli...@stlbroadband.com Reply-To: li...@stlbroadband.com, WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 20:22:28 -0600 Same thing here from CNET: http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20029393-281.html#ixzz1C6HMbtXG http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20029393-281.html Except they are saying it has to be saved for two years! All browsing data and email. Nice if you're a big ILEC and have endless funds . The more I look at the state of the broadband market today, I wonder if WISPs will exist in the next few years. Victoria Proffer - President/CEO www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com
