Re: [WISPA] The good college try
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Re: [WISPA] The good college try
I can identify with both of you. I do it all but it becomes overwhelming at times! -RickG On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 1:14 AM, rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Forbes, I'm not far away from you, and if you ever need network type help, feel free to holler. I love the technical stuff. Don't much care for the paperwork or installs in the rain, or climbing ladders, or climbing into the bucket on the truck... insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:44 PM Subject: [WISPA] The good college try The modern day WISP that is smaller has to run more efficiently, I lost my system admin in the last budget cut. He helps from his new job but the network is pretty much up to me, a former ISP owner and not the most technically inclined as I should be. Obviously I have more knowledge than the average bear but reading code, design specs or engineering can sometimes be a bit much, that's why I have the savings from a full time admin to hire people who can guide me. My feeling is Marlon is pretty much in the same boat. While some in WISPA have thousands of customers in more urban/suburban environments we are all rural. Speaking only for myself I'm frequently in over my head, that's why I belong to this group, I'm a much better businessman than tech but I learn easily when I have interest in a topic. We try not to look dumb when we ask for help and try to compensate for the help with volunteering for projects, paying for consulting or just a big thanks. Some on here may think non-geeks don't belong but we're all in this for the same reason, I personally left the Fire Service to learn and build this business, Maybe I can't engineer a backhaul but I can sure do CPR if you need it, done it over 200 times. Just show a little patience and if you don't want to educate the ignorant that's your right but we sure appreciate it when you can help and I for one promise to not ask for too much at once or act like our lovely customers who can't find the start button. Thanks for what you do help, I appreciate it! Forbes From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 6:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul Marlon, Honestly, based on the questions you are asking, I think you may be in over your head on this project. You may want to seek some help from someone that has actually done this type of work and knows what they are doing. Travis Microserv Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Thanks. Do you think we need the unlicensed for each hop if the entire network is build in a circle? marlon - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net mailto:t...@ida.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:12 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul Licensed 18ghz links with 5.8ghz backup links for each hop. Figure $15,000 per link for everything. Travis Microserv Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Hi All, I'm looking for some gear that'll be rock solid at 15 to 20 miles. Some links may be less, but I'm not counting on that. I'll be hauling public safety, private vpns, and normal internet traffic. I'll probably have around 20 towers, all linked in a ring. I can load share across the ring as long as speeds never drop below 100megs. I'll want things to be automatically self healing if there is a loss of connectivity in any direction. What would you guys use/suggest? I'd love to go licensed (but no 6 gig due to antenna sizes) but unlicensed may be OK due to the failover capabilities. We have to worry about snow, fog and, worst of all, dust storms. What gear would you use? How would you set this up? I'm in the pricing stage so off list quotes etc. are welcome. Pall park numbers are fine at this time, as long as they tend to run high vs. low, I'd rather over estimate the costs. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] The good college try
I wear that hat. "Jack of all trades, master of none" Today, I drove by rental house down the road and saw dish tv being installed. I turned around to go tell the new renter I had wireless internet in the area. (I always find sat tv subs are likely to want internet) So, I go tell him and he says how fast is your service? I say, 3-4 meg down and 1-2 meg up. He says megabytes or megabits? I stuttered for a bit and said, ya know, like a t1 is 1.5 meg, my service is twice as fast. Tell you what, I felt like a moron. After five years of "doing it all" it sure seems like I would know a bit from a byte. Oh well, at least I got the subscriber. So, like I said. Jack of all trades, master of none. Brian RickG wrote: I can identify with both of you. I do it all but it becomes overwhelming at times! -RickG On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 1:14 AM, rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Forbes, I'm not far away from you, and if you ever need network type help, feel free to holler. I love the technical stuff. Don't much care for the paperwork or installs in the rain, or climbing ladders, or climbing into the bucket on the truck... insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: "Forbes Mercy" forbes.me...@wabroadband.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:44 PM Subject: [WISPA] The good college try The modern day WISP that is smaller has to run more efficiently, I lost my system admin in the last budget cut. He helps from his new job but the network is pretty much up to me, a former ISP owner and not the most technically inclined as I should be. Obviously I have more knowledge than the average bear but reading code, design specs or engineering can sometimes be a bit much, that's why I have the savings from a full time admin to hire people who can guide me. My feeling is Marlon is pretty much in the same boat. While some in WISPA have thousands of customers in more urban/suburban environments we are all rural. Speaking only for myself I'm frequently in over my head, that's why I belong to this group, I'm a much better businessman than tech but I learn easily when I have interest in a topic. We try not to look dumb when we ask for help and try to compensate for the help with volunteering for projects, paying for consulting or just a big thanks. Some on here may think non-geeks don't belong but we're all in this for the same reason, I personally left the Fire Service to learn and build this business, Maybe I can't engineer a backhaul but I can sure do CPR if you need it, done it over 200 times. Just show a little patience and if you don't want to educate the ignorant that's your right but we sure appreciate it when you can help and I for one promise to not ask for too much at once or act like our lovely customers who can't find the start button. Thanks for what you do help, I appreciate it! Forbes From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 6:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul Marlon, Honestly, based on the questions you are asking, I think you may be in over your head on this project. You may want to seek some help from someone that has actually done this type of work and knows what they are doing. Travis Microserv Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Thanks. Do you think we need the unlicensed for each hop if the entire network is build in a circle? marlon - Original Message - From: "Travis Johnson" t...@ida.net mailto:t...@ida.net To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:12 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul Licensed 18ghz links with 5.8ghz backup links for each hop. Figure $15,000 per link for everything. Travis Microserv Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Hi All, I'm looking for some gear that'll be rock solid at 15 to 20 miles. Some links may be less, but I'm not counting on that. I'll be hauling public safety, private vpns, and normal internet traffic. I'll probably have around 20 towers, all linked in a ring. I can load share across the ring as long as speeds never drop below 100megs. I'll want things to be automatically self healing if there is a loss of connectivity in any direction. What would you guys use/suggest? I'd love to go licensed (but no 6 gig due to antenna sizes) but unlicensed may be OK due to the failover capabilities. We have to worry about snow, fog and, worst of all, dust storms. What gear would you use? How would you set this up? I'm in the pricing stage so off list quotes etc. are welcome. Pall park numbers are fine at this time, as long as they tend to run high
Re: [WISPA] The good college try
Brian It's bits for transfer and bytes for file sizes. Lots of people get that mixed up. Hope that helps George Brian Rohrbacher wrote: I wear that hat. Jack of all trades, master of none Today, I drove by rental house down the road and saw dish tv being installed. I turned around to go tell the new renter I had wireless internet in the area. (I always find sat tv subs are likely to want internet) So, I go tell him and he says how fast is your service? I say, 3-4 meg down and 1-2 meg up. He says megabytes or megabits? I stuttered for a bit and said, ya know, like a t1 is 1.5 meg, my service is twice as fast. Tell you what, I felt like a moron. After five years of doing it all it sure seems like I would know a bit from a byte. Oh well, at least I got the subscriber. So, like I said. Jack of all trades, master of none. Brian RickG wrote: I can identify with both of you. I do it all but it becomes overwhelming at times! -RickG On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 1:14 AM, rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Forbes, I'm not far away from you, and if you ever need network type help, feel free to holler. I love the technical stuff. Don't much care for the paperwork or installs in the rain, or climbing ladders, or climbing into the bucket on the truck... insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:44 PM Subject: [WISPA] The good college try The modern day WISP that is smaller has to run more efficiently, I lost my system admin in the last budget cut. He helps from his new job but the network is pretty much up to me, a former ISP owner and not the most technically inclined as I should be. Obviously I have more knowledge than the average bear but reading code, design specs or engineering can sometimes be a bit much, that's why I have the savings from a full time admin to hire people who can guide me. My feeling is Marlon is pretty much in the same boat. While some in WISPA have thousands of customers in more urban/suburban environments we are all rural. Speaking only for myself I'm frequently in over my head, that's why I belong to this group, I'm a much better businessman than tech but I learn easily when I have interest in a topic. We try not to look dumb when we ask for help and try to compensate for the help with volunteering for projects, paying for consulting or just a big thanks. Some on here may think non-geeks don't belong but we're all in this for the same reason, I personally left the Fire Service to learn and build this business, Maybe I can't engineer a backhaul but I can sure do CPR if you need it, done it over 200 times. Just show a little patience and if you don't want to educate the ignorant that's your right but we sure appreciate it when you can help and I for one promise to not ask for too much at once or act like our lovely customers who can't find the start button. Thanks for what you do help, I appreciate it! Forbes From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 6:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul Marlon, Honestly, based on the questions you are asking, I think you may be in over your head on this project. You may want to seek some help from someone that has actually done this type of work and knows what they are doing. Travis Microserv Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Thanks. Do you think we need the unlicensed for each hop if the entire network is build in a circle? marlon - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net mailto:t...@ida.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:12 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul Licensed 18ghz links with 5.8ghz backup links for each hop. Figure $15,000 per link for everything. Travis Microserv Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Hi All, I'm looking for some gear that'll be rock solid at 15 to 20 miles. Some links may be less, but I'm not counting on that. I'll be hauling public safety, private vpns, and normal internet traffic. I'll probably have around 20 towers, all linked in a ring. I can load share across the ring as long as speeds never drop below 100megs. I'll want things to be automatically self healing if there is a loss of connectivity in any direction. What would you guys use/suggest? I'd love to go licensed (but no 6 gig due to antenna sizes) but unlicensed may be OK due to the failover capabilities. We have to worry about snow, fog and, worst of all, dust storms. What gear would you use? How would you set this up? I'm in the pricing stage so off list quotes etc
[WISPA] The good college try
The modern day WISP that is smaller has to run more efficiently, I lost my system admin in the last budget cut. He helps from his new job but the network is pretty much up to me, a former ISP owner and not the most technically inclined as I should be. Obviously I have more knowledge than the average bear but reading code, design specs or engineering can sometimes be a bit much, that's why I have the savings from a full time admin to hire people who can guide me. My feeling is Marlon is pretty much in the same boat. While some in WISPA have thousands of customers in more urban/suburban environments we are all rural. Speaking only for myself I'm frequently in over my head, that's why I belong to this group, I'm a much better businessman than tech but I learn easily when I have interest in a topic. We try not to look dumb when we ask for help and try to compensate for the help with volunteering for projects, paying for consulting or just a big thanks. Some on here may think non-geeks don't belong but we're all in this for the same reason, I personally left the Fire Service to learn and build this business, Maybe I can't engineer a backhaul but I can sure do CPR if you need it, done it over 200 times. Just show a little patience and if you don't want to educate the ignorant that's your right but we sure appreciate it when you can help and I for one promise to not ask for too much at once or act like our lovely customers who can't find the start button. Thanks for what you do help, I appreciate it! Forbes From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 6:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul Marlon, Honestly, based on the questions you are asking, I think you may be in over your head on this project. You may want to seek some help from someone that has actually done this type of work and knows what they are doing. Travis Microserv Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Thanks. Do you think we need the unlicensed for each hop if the entire network is build in a circle? marlon - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net mailto:t...@ida.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:12 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul Licensed 18ghz links with 5.8ghz backup links for each hop. Figure $15,000 per link for everything. Travis Microserv Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Hi All, I'm looking for some gear that'll be rock solid at 15 to 20 miles. Some links may be less, but I'm not counting on that. I'll be hauling public safety, private vpns, and normal internet traffic. I'll probably have around 20 towers, all linked in a ring. I can load share across the ring as long as speeds never drop below 100megs. I'll want things to be automatically self healing if there is a loss of connectivity in any direction. What would you guys use/suggest? I'd love to go licensed (but no 6 gig due to antenna sizes) but unlicensed may be OK due to the failover capabilities. We have to worry about snow, fog and, worst of all, dust storms. What gear would you use? How would you set this up? I'm in the pricing stage so off list quotes etc. are welcome. Pall park numbers are fine at this time, as long as they tend to run high vs. low, I'd rather over estimate the costs. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] The good college try
Forbes, I'm not far away from you, and if you ever need network type help, feel free to holler. I love the technical stuff. Don't much care for the paperwork or installs in the rain, or climbing ladders, or climbing into the bucket on the truck... insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:44 PM Subject: [WISPA] The good college try The modern day WISP that is smaller has to run more efficiently, I lost my system admin in the last budget cut. He helps from his new job but the network is pretty much up to me, a former ISP owner and not the most technically inclined as I should be. Obviously I have more knowledge than the average bear but reading code, design specs or engineering can sometimes be a bit much, that's why I have the savings from a full time admin to hire people who can guide me. My feeling is Marlon is pretty much in the same boat. While some in WISPA have thousands of customers in more urban/suburban environments we are all rural. Speaking only for myself I'm frequently in over my head, that's why I belong to this group, I'm a much better businessman than tech but I learn easily when I have interest in a topic. We try not to look dumb when we ask for help and try to compensate for the help with volunteering for projects, paying for consulting or just a big thanks. Some on here may think non-geeks don't belong but we're all in this for the same reason, I personally left the Fire Service to learn and build this business, Maybe I can't engineer a backhaul but I can sure do CPR if you need it, done it over 200 times. Just show a little patience and if you don't want to educate the ignorant that's your right but we sure appreciate it when you can help and I for one promise to not ask for too much at once or act like our lovely customers who can't find the start button. Thanks for what you do help, I appreciate it! Forbes From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 6:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul Marlon, Honestly, based on the questions you are asking, I think you may be in over your head on this project. You may want to seek some help from someone that has actually done this type of work and knows what they are doing. Travis Microserv Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Thanks. Do you think we need the unlicensed for each hop if the entire network is build in a circle? marlon - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net mailto:t...@ida.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:12 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul Licensed 18ghz links with 5.8ghz backup links for each hop. Figure $15,000 per link for everything. Travis Microserv Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Hi All, I'm looking for some gear that'll be rock solid at 15 to 20 miles. Some links may be less, but I'm not counting on that. I'll be hauling public safety, private vpns, and normal internet traffic. I'll probably have around 20 towers, all linked in a ring. I can load share across the ring as long as speeds never drop below 100megs. I'll want things to be automatically self healing if there is a loss of connectivity in any direction. What would you guys use/suggest? I'd love to go licensed (but no 6 gig due to antenna sizes) but unlicensed may be OK due to the failover capabilities. We have to worry about snow, fog and, worst of all, dust storms. What gear would you use? How would you set this up? I'm in the pricing stage so off list quotes etc. are welcome. Pall park numbers are fine at this time, as long as they tend to run high vs. low, I'd rather over estimate the costs. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You
