Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison
Weird. We use the Rocket APs and Nano5M CPE's heavily and for a TON of VoIP. No problems. Occasionally we'll see PPPoE re-connect, but since we VLAN the VoIP straight through, it's unaffected. On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 6:10 AM, can...@believewireless.net p...@believewireless.net wrote: Upgraded the AP and all CPE to Beta 5 this morning and latency still sucks. Signal is a -57 on one side and -59 on the other. Every one of our VoIP customers on this tower is complaining. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison
Slick! Thank you!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 10:34 PM, Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com wrote: Do yourself a favor though. Don't even try faxing. Our provider's fax service is hit or miss over wired service. If you have to do faxing use faxxbochs. It will work over any connection type. I use it for anybody that uses their fax for anything more than occasional use. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 18, 2010, at 7:23 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: I swear. I keep being afraid of SELLING VoIP over our wireless connections. Fact is... Other VoIP companies ARE selling their service to MY wireless customers. And it's working just fine. Fact is... When someone calls up and says I can't get my VoIP service running right, we troubleshoot it and make it quality enough for them to run VoIP. So why not do it? Lots of things to consider, but quality of our connections should not be one of them. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 1702 W. 2nd Ave Suite A Eugene, OR 97402 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com To: can...@believewireless.net; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 8:39 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison In all fairness I've got VoIP running all over the place on Ubiquity gear and its working fine... I imagine every scenario would be different, it usually is. Same tool doesn't work for every job. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 From: can...@believewireless.net p...@believewireless.net Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 8:10 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison Upgraded the AP and all CPE to Beta 5 this morning and latency still sucks. Signal is a -57 on one side and -59 on the other. Every one of our VoIP customers on this tower is complaining. --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison
My god, Why am I just finding these now Nick Olsen Network Engineer / Customer Support (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 12:35 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison Slick! Thank you!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 10:34 PM, Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com wrote: Do yourself a favor though. Don't even try faxing. Our provider's fax service is hit or miss over wired service. If you have to do faxing use faxxbochs. It will work over any connection type. I use it for anybody that uses their fax for anything more than occasional use. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 18, 2010, at 7:23 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: I swear. I keep being afraid of SELLING VoIP over our wireless connections. Fact is... Other VoIP companies ARE selling their service to MY wireless customers. And it's working just fine. Fact is... When someone calls up and says I can't get my VoIP service running right, we troubleshoot it and make it quality enough for them to run VoIP. So why not do it? Lots of things to consider, but quality of our connections should not be one of them. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 1702 W. 2nd Ave Suite A Eugene, OR 97402 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com To: can...@believewireless.net; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 8:39 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison In all fairness I've got VoIP running all over the place on Ubiquity gear and its working fine... I imagine every scenario would be different, it usually is. Same tool doesn't work for every job. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 From: can...@believewireless.net p...@believewireless.net Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 8:10 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison Upgraded the AP and all CPE to Beta 5 this morning and latency still sucks. Signal is a -57 on one side and -59 on the other. Every one of our VoIP customers on this tower is complaining. --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison
BEHOLD! THE POWER OF THE LIST -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Olsen Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 9:46 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison My god, Why am I just finding these now Nick Olsen Network Engineer / Customer Support (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 12:35 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison Slick! Thank you!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 10:34 PM, Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com wrote: Do yourself a favor though. Don't even try faxing. Our provider's fax service is hit or miss over wired service. If you have to do faxing use faxxbochs. It will work over any connection type. I use it for anybody that uses their fax for anything more than occasional use. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 18, 2010, at 7:23 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: I swear. I keep being afraid of SELLING VoIP over our wireless connections. Fact is... Other VoIP companies ARE selling their service to MY wireless customers. And it's working just fine. Fact is... When someone calls up and says I can't get my VoIP service running right, we troubleshoot it and make it quality enough for them to run VoIP. So why not do it? Lots of things to consider, but quality of our connections should not be one of them. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 1702 W. 2nd Ave Suite A Eugene, OR 97402 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com To: can...@believewireless.net; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 8:39 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison In all fairness I've got VoIP running all over the place on Ubiquity gear and its working fine... I imagine every scenario would be different, it usually is. Same tool doesn't work for every job. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 From: can...@believewireless.net p...@believewireless.net Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 8:10 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison Upgraded the AP and all CPE to Beta 5 this morning and latency still sucks. Signal is a -57 on one side and -59 on the other. Every one of our VoIP customers on this tower is complaining. --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison
Isn't faxxbochs just a SIP ATA that does t.38? Regards Michael Baird Slick! Thank you!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 10:34 PM, Jeremie Chismjchi...@gmail.com wrote: Do yourself a favor though. Don't even try faxing. Our provider's fax service is hit or miss over wired service. If you have to do faxing use faxxbochs. It will work over any connection type. I use it for anybody that uses their fax for anything more than occasional use. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 18, 2010, at 7:23 PM, Mark Nashmarkl...@uwol.net wrote: I swear. I keep being afraid of SELLING VoIP over our wireless connections. Fact is... Other VoIP companies ARE selling their service to MY wireless customers. And it's working just fine. Fact is... When someone calls up and says I can't get my VoIP service running right, we troubleshoot it and make it quality enough for them to run VoIP. So why not do it? Lots of things to consider, but quality of our connections should not be one of them. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 1702 W. 2nd Ave Suite A Eugene, OR 97402 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Scott Carullosc...@brevardwireless.com To:can...@believewireless.net; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 8:39 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison In all fairness I've got VoIP running all over the place on Ubiquity gear and its working fine... I imagine every scenario would be different, it usually is. Same tool doesn't work for every job. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 From: can...@believewireless.netp...@believewireless.net Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 8:10 AM To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison Upgraded the AP and all CPE to Beta 5 this morning and latency still sucks. Signal is a -57 on one side and -59 on the other. Every one of our VoIP customers on this tower is complaining. --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison
No. It is a thin client. Basically what happens is the thin client acts like a receiving fax machine. So when you send a fax the thin client receives it, converts it into a file that it sends out to an analog fax server on the other end that forwards it on to the receiving fax. So connection speed or quality has no influence on faxing. Receiving a fax operates onthe exact oposite manner. Sent from my iPhonen On April19, 2010, at 11:53 AM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Isn't faxxbochs just a SIP ATA that does t.38? Regards Michael Baird Slick! Thank you!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 10:34 PM, Jeremie Chismjchi...@gmail.com wrote: Do yourself a favor though. Don't even try faxing. Our provider's fax service is hit or miss over wired service. If you have to do faxing use faxxbochs. It will work over any connection type. I use it for anybody that uses their fax for anything more than occasional use. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 18, 2010, at 7:23 PM, Mark Nashmarkl...@uwol.net wrote: I swear. I keep being afraid of SELLING VoIP over our wireless connections. Fact is... Other VoIP companies ARE selling their service to MY wireless customers. And it's working just fine. Fact is... When someone calls up and says I can't get my VoIP service running right, we troubleshoot it and make it quality enough for them to run VoIP. So why not do it? Lots of things to consider, but quality of our connections should not be one of them. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 1702 W. 2nd Ave Suite A Eugene, OR 97402 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Scott Carullosc...@brevardwireless.com To:can...@believewireless.net; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 8:39 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison In all fairness I've got VoIP running all over the place on Ubiquity gear and its working fine... I imagine every scenario would be different, it usually is. Same tool doesn't work for every job. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 From: can...@believewireless.netp...@believewireless.net Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 8:10 AM To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison Upgraded the AP and all CPE to Beta 5 this morning and latency still sucks. Signal is a -57 on one side and -59 on the other. Every one of our VoIP customers on this tower is complaining. --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison
Then if that is how it works what if you have a wrong number of a transition error do you get notification of the issue. What about international faxing? Steve Barnes -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 12:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison No. It is a thin client. Basically what happens is the thin client acts like a receiving fax machine. So when you send a fax the thin client receives it, converts it into a file that it sends out to an analog fax server on the other end that forwards it on to the receiving fax. So connection speed or quality has no influence on faxing. Receiving a fax operates onthe exact oposite manner. Sent from my iPhonen On April19, 2010, at 11:53 AM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Isn't faxxbochs just a SIP ATA that does t.38? Regards Michael Baird Slick! Thank you!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 10:34 PM, Jeremie Chismjchi...@gmail.com wrote: Do yourself a favor though. Don't even try faxing. Our provider's fax service is hit or miss over wired service. If you have to do faxing use faxxbochs. It will work over any connection type. I use it for anybody that uses their fax for anything more than occasional use. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 18, 2010, at 7:23 PM, Mark Nashmarkl...@uwol.net wrote: I swear. I keep being afraid of SELLING VoIP over our wireless connections. Fact is... Other VoIP companies ARE selling their service to MY wireless customers. And it's working just fine. Fact is... When someone calls up and says I can't get my VoIP service running right, we troubleshoot it and make it quality enough for them to run VoIP. So why not do it? Lots of things to consider, but quality of our connections should not be one of them. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 1702 W. 2nd Ave Suite A Eugene, OR 97402 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Scott Carullosc...@brevardwireless.com To:can...@believewireless.net; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 8:39 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison In all fairness I've got VoIP running all over the place on Ubiquity gear and its working fine... I imagine every scenario would be different, it usually is. Same tool doesn't work for every job. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 From: can...@believewireless.netp...@believewireless.net Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 8:10 AM To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison Upgraded the AP and all CPE to Beta 5 this morning and latency still sucks. Signal is a -57 on one side and -59 on the other. Every one of our VoIP customers on this tower is complaining. --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison
It does not use the t.38 protocol but rather a proprietary protocol per VoIP Supply sales person. If it's a thin client it stresses isn't t.38 even more. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 12:53 PM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Isn't faxxbochs just a SIP ATA that does t.38? Regards Michael Baird Slick! Thank you!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 10:34 PM, Jeremie Chismjchi...@gmail.com wrote: Do yourself a favor though. Don't even try faxing. Our provider's fax service is hit or miss over wired service. If you have to do faxing use faxxbochs. It will work over any connection type. I use it for anybody that uses their fax for anything more than occasional use. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 18, 2010, at 7:23 PM, Mark Nashmarkl...@uwol.net wrote: I swear. I keep being afraid of SELLING VoIP over our wireless connections. Fact is... Other VoIP companies ARE selling their service to MY wireless customers. And it's working just fine. Fact is... When someone calls up and says I can't get my VoIP service running right, we troubleshoot it and make it quality enough for them to run VoIP. So why not do it? Lots of things to consider, but quality of our connections should not be one of them. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 1702 W. 2nd Ave Suite A Eugene, OR 97402 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Scott Carullosc...@brevardwireless.com To:can...@believewireless.net; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 8:39 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison In all fairness I've got VoIP running all over the place on Ubiquity gear and its working fine... I imagine every scenario would be different, it usually is. Same tool doesn't work for every job. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 From: can...@believewireless.netp...@believewireless.net Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 8:10 AM To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison Upgraded the AP and all CPE to Beta 5 this morning and latency still sucks. Signal is a -57 on one side and -59 on the other. Every one of our VoIP customers on this tower is complaining. --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison
I hve quite a few of these deployed. The only time they don't work is if someone dials the wrong number or forgets to dial the area code. It supposedly will even work over satellite connections. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 19, 2010, at 12:24 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: It does not use the t.38 protocol but rather a proprietary protocol per VoIP Supply sales person. If it's a thin client it stresses isn't t.38 even more. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to co ntinue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 12:53 PM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Isn't faxxbochs just a SIP ATA that does t.38? Regards Michael Baird Slick! Thank you!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 10:34 PM, Jeremie Chismjchi...@gmail.com wrote: Do yourself a favor though. Don't even try faxing. Our provider's fax service is hit or miss over wired service. If you have to do faxing use faxxbochs. It will work over any connection type. I use it for anybody that uses their fax for anything more than occasional use. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 18, 2010, at 7:23 PM, Mark Nashmarkl...@uwol.net wrote: I swear. I keep being afraid of SELLING VoIP over our wireless connections. Fact is... Other VoIP companies ARE selling their service to MY wireless customers. And it's working just fine. Fact is... When someone calls up and says I can't get my VoIP service running right, we troubleshoot it and make it quality enough for them to run VoIP. So why not do it? Lots of things to consider, but quality of our connections should not be one of them. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 1702 W. 2nd Ave Suite A Eugene, OR 97402 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Scott Carullosc...@brevardwireless.com To:can...@believewireless.net; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 8:39 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison In all fairness I've got VoIP running all over the place on Ubiquity gear and its working fine... I imagine every scenario would be different, it usually is. Same tool doesn't work for every job. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 From: can...@believewireless.netp...@believewireless.net Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 8:10 AM To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison Upgraded the AP and all CPE to Beta 5 this morning and latency still sucks. Signal is a -57 on one side and -59 on the other. Every one of our VoIP customers on this tower is complaining. --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison
On their website it says 30/mo for terrestrial connections and 50/mo for satellite. The manufacturer says with 600ms latency you will need the higher package. Not sure how they differentiate but I doubt the product trying to work with 50-400ms connections is ever going to work on a 600-1500ms connection. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com wrote: I hve quite a few of these deployed. The only time they don't work is if someone dials the wrong number or forgets to dial the area code. It supposedly will even work over satellite connections. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 19, 2010, at 12:24 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: It does not use the t.38 protocol but rather a proprietary protocol per VoIP Supply sales person. If it's a thin client it stresses isn't t.38 even more. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to co ntinue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 12:53 PM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Isn't faxxbochs just a SIP ATA that does t.38? Regards Michael Baird Slick! Thank you!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 10:34 PM, Jeremie Chismjchi...@gmail.com wrote: Do yourself a favor though. Don't even try faxing. Our provider's fax service is hit or miss over wired service. If you have to do faxing use faxxbochs. It will work over any connection type. I use it for anybody that uses their fax for anything more than occasional use. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 18, 2010, at 7:23 PM, Mark Nashmarkl...@uwol.net wrote: I swear. I keep being afraid of SELLING VoIP over our wireless connections. Fact is... Other VoIP companies ARE selling their service to MY wireless customers. And it's working just fine. Fact is... When someone calls up and says I can't get my VoIP service running right, we troubleshoot it and make it quality enough for them to run VoIP. So why not do it? Lots of things to consider, but quality of our connections should not be one of them. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 1702 W. 2nd Ave Suite A Eugene, OR 97402 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Scott Carullosc...@brevardwireless.com To:can...@believewireless.net; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 8:39 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison In all fairness I've got VoIP running all over the place on Ubiquity gear and its working fine... I imagine every scenario would be different, it usually is. Same tool doesn't work for every job. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 From: can...@believewireless.netp...@believewireless.net Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 8:10 AM To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison Upgraded the AP and all CPE to Beta 5 this morning and latency still sucks. Signal is a -57 on one side and -59 on the other. Every one of our VoIP customers on this tower is complaining. --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison
In all fairness I've got VoIP running all over the place on Ubiquity gear and its working fine... I imagine every scenario would be different, it usually is. Same tool doesn't work for every job. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 From: can...@believewireless.net p...@believewireless.net Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 8:10 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison Upgraded the AP and all CPE to Beta 5 this morning and latency still sucks. Signal is a -57 on one side and -59 on the other. Every one of our VoIP customers on this tower is complaining. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison
Do you use wmm? Envoyé de mon iPhone Le 2010-04-18 à 11:39, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com a écrit : In all fairness I've got VoIP running all over the place on Ubiquity gear and its working fine... I imagine every scenario would be different, it usually is. Same tool doesn't work for every job. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 From: can...@believewireless.net p...@believewireless.net Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 8:10 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison Upgraded the AP and all CPE to Beta 5 this morning and latency still sucks. Signal is a -57 on one side and -59 on the other. Every one of our VoIP customers on this tower is complaining. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison
I swear. I keep being afraid of SELLING VoIP over our wireless connections. Fact is... Other VoIP companies ARE selling their service to MY wireless customers. And it's working just fine. Fact is... When someone calls up and says I can't get my VoIP service running right, we troubleshoot it and make it quality enough for them to run VoIP. So why not do it? Lots of things to consider, but quality of our connections should not be one of them. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 1702 W. 2nd Ave Suite A Eugene, OR 97402 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com To: can...@believewireless.net; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 8:39 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison In all fairness I've got VoIP running all over the place on Ubiquity gear and its working fine... I imagine every scenario would be different, it usually is. Same tool doesn't work for every job. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 From: can...@believewireless.net p...@believewireless.net Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 8:10 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison Upgraded the AP and all CPE to Beta 5 this morning and latency still sucks. Signal is a -57 on one side and -59 on the other. Every one of our VoIP customers on this tower is complaining. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison
Yes, it's working fine for us as well, nice value addon. I suspect the user having troubles is running a bridged network, we run PPPoE. I've noticed on Ubiquiti bridges the bridged interface responds with strange latency, while a PPPoE IP has great latency, something strange there. Ubiquiti was even kind enough to add the sip nat modules for me so that my ATA's just work without strange port forwarding required, and their QOS works tip top for SIP as well. Regards Michael Baird I swear. I keep being afraid of SELLING VoIP over our wireless connections. Fact is... Other VoIP companies ARE selling their service to MY wireless customers. And it's working just fine. Fact is... When someone calls up and says I can't get my VoIP service running right, we troubleshoot it and make it quality enough for them to run VoIP. So why not do it? Lots of things to consider, but quality of our connections should not be one of them. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 1702 W. 2nd Ave Suite A Eugene, OR 97402 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Scott Carullosc...@brevardwireless.com To:can...@believewireless.net; WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 8:39 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison In all fairness I've got VoIP running all over the place on Ubiquity gear and its working fine... I imagine every scenario would be different, it usually is. Same tool doesn't work for every job. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 From: can...@believewireless.netp...@believewireless.net Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 8:10 AM To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison Upgraded the AP and all CPE to Beta 5 this morning and latency still sucks. Signal is a -57 on one side and -59 on the other. Every one of our VoIP customers on this tower is complaining. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison
I tried it on our 900 MHz service with little success. Granted I am in a very high noise environment. It took continuous monitoring and changes to make it work. Now 3.65 wimax is a completely different story. I have 200 lines up an running on it now. I try to be as good as ATT but I actually had a lady we changed over tell me that the voice quality was better. I almost don't sell Internet alone any more. Usually if I can sell them Internet, I can get there phone service. So a small business with 4 lines that would have only been 80/month turned into a 240/month customer. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 18, 2010, at 7:23 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: I swear. I keep being afraid of SELLING VoIP over our wireless connections. Fact is... Other VoIP companies ARE selling their service to MY wireless customers. And it's working just fine. Fact is... When someone calls up and says I can't get my VoIP service running right, we troubleshoot it and make it quality enough for them to run VoIP. So why not do it? Lots of things to consider, but quality of our connections should not be one of them. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 1702 W. 2nd Ave Suite A Eugene, OR 97402 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com To: can...@believewireless.net; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 8:39 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison In all fairness I've got VoIP running all over the place on Ubiquity gear and its working fine... I imagine every scenario would be different, it usually is. Same tool doesn't work for every job. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 From: can...@believewireless.net p...@believewireless.net Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 8:10 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison Upgraded the AP and all CPE to Beta 5 this morning and latency still sucks. Signal is a -57 on one side and -59 on the other. Every one of our VoIP customers on this tower is complaining. --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison
Do yourself a favor though. Don't even try faxing. Our provider's fax service is hit or miss over wired service. If you have to do faxing use faxxbochs. It will work over any connection type. I use it for anybody that uses their fax for anything more than occasional use. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 18, 2010, at 7:23 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: I swear. I keep being afraid of SELLING VoIP over our wireless connections. Fact is... Other VoIP companies ARE selling their service to MY wireless customers. And it's working just fine. Fact is... When someone calls up and says I can't get my VoIP service running right, we troubleshoot it and make it quality enough for them to run VoIP. So why not do it? Lots of things to consider, but quality of our connections should not be one of them. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 1702 W. 2nd Ave Suite A Eugene, OR 97402 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com To: can...@believewireless.net; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 8:39 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison In all fairness I've got VoIP running all over the place on Ubiquity gear and its working fine... I imagine every scenario would be different, it usually is. Same tool doesn't work for every job. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 From: can...@believewireless.net p...@believewireless.net Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 8:10 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison Upgraded the AP and all CPE to Beta 5 this morning and latency still sucks. Signal is a -57 on one side and -59 on the other. Every one of our VoIP customers on this tower is complaining. --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison
Upgraded the AP and all CPE to Beta 5 this morning and latency still sucks. Signal is a -57 on one side and -59 on the other. Every one of our VoIP customers on this tower is complaining. attachment: graph_image.php.png WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison
Have you posted this on the Ubiquiti forums? The developers will work with you to determine the issue you are seeing, will make the product better for all of us. Regards Michael Baird Upgraded the AP and all CPE to Beta 5 this morning and latency still sucks. Signal is a -57 on one side and -59 on the other. Every one of our VoIP customers on this tower is complaining. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison
On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 2:19 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote: Yeah, funny, does not look like we are making much progress after 18 years does it. Maybe it has something to do with the love affair most in this industry have with focusing their plans over and over again on rigging up 802.11 products (vendors and WISPs alike) and proprietary systems instead of concentrating our buying and our building on outdoor, purpose-built standards like WiMAX which would allow us to mature as an industry. There is a reason why DSL and DOCSIS were created and supported by the telco and cable industries. They understand the importance of creating a mass market and standards based solution in order to drive their industry. The WISP industry seems to not understand this. John Scrivner WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison
That's because the WiMAX vendors want more to deliver less. No WiMAX for me until APs are $500, CPE are $150, and deliver over 50 megabits of capacity. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: John Scrivner j...@scrivner.com Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 10:03 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 2:19 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote: Yeah, funny, does not look like we are making much progress after 18 years does it. Maybe it has something to do with the love affair most in this industry have with focusing their plans over and over again on rigging up 802.11 products (vendors and WISPs alike) and proprietary systems instead of concentrating our buying and our building on outdoor, purpose-built standards like WiMAX which would allow us to mature as an industry. There is a reason why DSL and DOCSIS were created and supported by the telco and cable industries. They understand the importance of creating a mass market and standards based solution in order to drive their industry. The WISP industry seems to not understand this. John Scrivner WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison
Did you do a throughput comparison? ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 10:49 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison Just for fun AP1000 Ubiqiuti KN TurboCellAirOS 1992 2009 Polling MAC Yes Yes Radius MAC Auth Yes No Metal Enclosure Yes No Rugged RF connectors No No Modular Wirless Interfaces Yes No Per Client RF Stats Yes No Complete SNMP MIBs Yes No We've come a long way? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison
And a price comparison? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of MDK Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 10:52 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison Did you do a throughput comparison? ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 10:49 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison Just for fun AP1000 Ubiqiuti KN TurboCellAirOS 1992 2009 Polling MAC Yes Yes Radius MAC Auth Yes No Metal Enclosure Yes No Rugged RF connectors No No Modular Wirless Interfaces Yes No Per Client RF Stats Yes No Complete SNMP MIBs Yes No We've come a long way? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison
On 13 April 2010 11:52, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Did you do a throughput comparison? It was mostly a joke, but I'll bite. A throughput comparison is not fair, since they both just leverage someone else's chipset. My point was simply that if a low end wifi based product had these features 10+ years ago, why the hell does UBNT see fit to release something today that is shiny and fast, but lacking core functionality. I guess the market demands cheap. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison
Beta vs VHS, MAC vs PC, Cadillac vs Hyundai, Sacks5thAve vs Walmart, Gas vs Electric... On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com wrote: On 13 April 2010 11:52, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Did you do a throughput comparison? It was mostly a joke, but I'll bite. A throughput comparison is not fair, since they both just leverage someone else's chipset. My point was simply that if a low end wifi based product had these features 10+ years ago, why the hell does UBNT see fit to release something today that is shiny and fast, but lacking core functionality. I guess the market demands cheap. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison
Yeah, funny, does not look like we are making much progress after 18 years does it. But we could compare on different criteria, and add Proxim's current generation. That is Just for Fun... --AP1000 UbiquitiTsunami MP11a Speed 3mbps 30-100mbps?equivellent per channel. AP Cost $700 $90Still High Interoperabilty Proprietary Standards Still proprietary Life Span:DiscontinuedFuture Availabilty Still Available Yearly Fee: Paid updates Free Updates Unknown SpectrumAnalyzer NoYes.Still NO CPE Limit16-48 UnlimitedStill 16-48, I think. CPE PolN/A Dual/Any Pol Still some CPE models Verticle Only. There has not been much talk about Proxim's MP11A this year. But the product is still out there, and capable. What is really the big difference between Ubiquiti and Proxim? And why is Ubiquiti getting so much attention this year? I'm going to argue that its mentality not technology. It is mentality of some that hold back this industry, and it is mentality of others that is allowing this industry to progress. Ubiquiti's mentality is what is exciting to me. They appear to have a very compelling and exciting vision for our industry. We are seeing it by the price they offer without withholding features. We are seeing it with creative design of radio models, for example, as bundling Grid antenna with CPE. We see it with embracing the latest antenna trends, embracing Dual Pol, something that been almost ignored the last 20 years (by everyone but Trango). (This is super rlevent considering Dual POl sectors used to be $1200 and now Ubiquiti delivers them sub $170) We see it with effort to meet client's demands, for example, developing Spectrum Analyzer Software on standard Chipsets within 6 months of the time Clients started demanding they needed it for Ubiquiti to be successful for WISPs, which is a major feat considering so many others have failed to accomplish the same thing over the last 10 years, no matter how much it was discussed. Whats important to note is how quickly they are progressing. Ubiquiti may not be the God of Wireless, yet, but at the rate they are progressing.. they could be. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 1:49 AM Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison Just for fun AP1000 Ubiqiuti KN TurboCellAirOS 1992 2009 Polling MAC Yes Yes Radius MAC Auth Yes No Metal Enclosure Yes No Rugged RF connectors No No Modular Wirless Interfaces Yes No Per Client RF Stats Yes No Complete SNMP MIBs Yes No We've come a long way? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison
I look at it a different way... Ubiquiti has been a disruptive force to set a new base level standard for expectations. Any new product is going to lack features and possibly reliabilty as bugs get discovered. But Ubiquiti established that in today world, it is possible to deliver $100 radios, with core foundation features (Mimo, Bridinging, Analyzers, TDD-like, Tri-band, Etc). Features missing can be added, as long as the Core Foundation of the product is not limiting. What I dont understand is how a company (Proxim) that already had so many OS features developed (and intellectual property owned), could not progress faster than Ubiquiti to deliver such a Visionary product? I do not mean to Bash Proxim here. There are many good people at Proxim, many early visionaries, and also a sturdy product lines. But what Ubiquiti has done is somewhat unique. Maybe part of the answer is open Source, that Ubiquiti could hit the ground running, leveraging what was already out there? Maybe part of it is that they entered the game later, after others already incurred the RD costs to pioneer concepts, for Ubiquiti to learn from? But at the end of the day, what is exciting is what Ubiquiti has delivered. I really have to respect what they've accomplished. I dont agree that the industry demands cheap. Historically, I personally have never been a fan of plastic and $99 APs. But Ubiquiti is showing that an amazing product can be delivered inexpensively, and that is exciting. And they are not the only ones For example, I'm amazed at how far Mikrotik has come, considering feature rich for the dollar. (Note: MIkrotik released new Firmware, a 5 vers, does not list any wirelessN fixes, but it looked like it added a couple relevent and desirable fixes.) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison On 13 April 2010 11:52, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Did you do a throughput comparison? It was mostly a joke, but I'll bite. A throughput comparison is not fair, since they both just leverage someone else's chipset. My point was simply that if a low end wifi based product had these features 10+ years ago, why the hell does UBNT see fit to release something today that is shiny and fast, but lacking core functionality. I guess the market demands cheap. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison
Tom, What fixes have you seen in 5 for Wireless-N? Or did I mis-read this? Randy RandyAnd they are not the only ones For example, I'm amazed at how far Mikrotik has come, considering feature rich for the dollar. (Note: MIkrotik released new Firmware, a 5 vers, does not list any wirelessN fixes, but it looked like it added a couple relevent and desirable fixes.) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Jeremy Parrjeremyp...@gmail.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison On 13 April 2010 11:52, MDKrea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Did you do a throughput comparison? It was mostly a joke, but I'll bite. A throughput comparison is not fair, since they both just leverage someone else's chipset. My point was simply that if a low end wifi based product had these features 10+ years ago, why the hell does UBNT see fit to release something today that is shiny and fast, but lacking core functionality. I guess the market demands cheap. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 http://www.infowest.com/ Letting off steam always produces more heat than light. - Neal A. Maxwell WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison
Misread I did NOT see any specific mention of fixes for N. That's disappointing. But I saw numerous updates. Anytime there is a kernel upgrade, its relevent, in my opinion. But posted from Mikrotik... What's new in 5.0beta1 (2010-Mar-31 10:36): *) updated drivers and kernel (to linux-2.6.32.5); *) ssh is now completely rewritten (supports connection forwarding, only DSA keys); *) added support for SSTP protocol (PPP over TLS); *) added support for multiple Intel Ethernet cards; *) added support for IPv6 over PPP (enabled by default if ipv6 package is installed), link-local addresses are assigned, and server can issue IPv6 global prefixes to clients per ppp secret or RADIUS reply (Framed-IPv6-Prefix); *) added proper support for MPLS over PPP (by default it is now disabled); *) fixed RB800 temperature; *) silentboot feature updated; *) WinBox - any file dropped on WinBox will be uploaded to router; *) multicast - fixed possible crash during PIM startup; *) report platform name in /sysrem resource; *) fixed problem - vlans were not working on RB750 ether1; *) fixed mac address handling on RB750, some specific arp requests did not work; *) more than two dns servers allowed in /ip dns; *) sniffer and torch could process packet from other interfaces; *) ospf - fixed DR and BDR election; *) ospf - changed /routing ospf route to show type 2 metric instead of internal metric for type 2 external routes; *) added IPv6 support to trafflow (v9 only); *) rewritten user-manager (formerly known as userman-test); Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 4:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison Tom, What fixes have you seen in 5 for Wireless-N? Or did I mis-read this? Randy RandyAnd they are not the only ones For example, I'm amazed at how far Mikrotik has come, considering feature rich for the dollar. (Note: MIkrotik released new Firmware, a 5 vers, does not list any wirelessN fixes, but it looked like it added a couple relevent and desirable fixes.) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Jeremy Parrjeremyp...@gmail.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison On 13 April 2010 11:52, MDKrea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Did you do a throughput comparison? It was mostly a joke, but I'll bite. A throughput comparison is not fair, since they both just leverage someone else's chipset. My point was simply that if a low end wifi based product had these features 10+ years ago, why the hell does UBNT see fit to release something today that is shiny and fast, but lacking core functionality. I guess the market demands cheap. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 http://www.infowest.com/ Letting off steam always produces more heat than light. - Neal A. Maxwell WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison
After some large experiments with Ubiquiti.. Canopy 430 here we come! Too many problems with latency and WDS re-reg issues. These seem to work pretty well for PtP links, but PtMP is just terrible for VoIP or anything that can't handle latency spikes. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison
what are the rates on the 430? are they not up around 10K ? On Apr 13, 2010, at 8:00 PM, can...@believewireless.net wrote: Canopy 430 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison
The recently released firmware (last few days), is the first that really works well on the station side (for P2MP), AP is still a bit broken w/auto ack. I've not had an issue with WDS reassociations, maybe you were using auto-ack? Regards Michael Baird After some large experiments with Ubiquiti.. Canopy 430 here we come! Too many problems with latency and WDS re-reg issues. These seem to work pretty well for PtP links, but PtMP is just terrible for VoIP or anything that can't handle latency spikes. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison
have you worked w/ ubiquity for any troubleshooting? been pretty happy here w/ them ... just wondering I love moto - but just so blessed expensive... I am wondering if they are really worth the $$$ So as not to hijack your thread - I will post this question in a new thread... On Apr 13, 2010, at 8:00 PM, can...@believewireless.net wrote: After some large experiments with Ubiquiti.. Canopy 430 here we come! Too many problems with latency and WDS re-reg issues. These seem to work pretty well for PtP links, but PtMP is just terrible for VoIP or anything that can't handle latency spikes. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison
WDS re-reg issues Care to elaborate with that? We run everything bridged (WDS) with other brands. Were you running into issues using Ubiquity as both AP and SU in PtMP, or with other brand as the other? but PtMP is just terrible for VoIP or anything that can't handle latency spikes. What do you attribute the latency spikes to? Do you get the latency Spikes with both the CDMA modes and the proprietary TDD imulation modes? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: can...@believewireless.net p...@believewireless.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 8:00 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison After some large experiments with Ubiquiti.. Canopy 430 here we come! Too many problems with latency and WDS re-reg issues. These seem to work pretty well for PtP links, but PtMP is just terrible for VoIP or anything that can't handle latency spikes. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison
Also Are these problems operating in a MIMO mode, or single chain/pol mode? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: can...@believewireless.net p...@believewireless.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 8:00 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison After some large experiments with Ubiquiti.. Canopy 430 here we come! Too many problems with latency and WDS re-reg issues. These seem to work pretty well for PtP links, but PtMP is just terrible for VoIP or anything that can't handle latency spikes. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison
BTW, Beta 5 was released today.. supposed to address auto ack... Faisal On 4/13/2010 8:07 PM, Michael Baird wrote: The recently released firmware (last few days), is the first that really works well on the station side (for P2MP), AP is still a bit broken w/auto ack. I've not had an issue with WDS reassociations, maybe you were using auto-ack? Regards Michael Baird After some large experiments with Ubiquiti.. Canopy 430 here we come! Too many problems with latency and WDS re-reg issues. These seem to work pretty well for PtP links, but PtMP is just terrible for VoIP or anything that can't handle latency spikes. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison
One thing I have learned over the years with Mikrotik... they often make many other changes that they don't specifically list in their text document. Travis Microserv Tom DeReggi wrote: Misread I did NOT see any specific mention of fixes for N. That's disappointing. But I saw numerous updates. Anytime there is a kernel upgrade, its relevent, in my opinion. But posted from Mikrotik... What's new in 5.0beta1 (2010-Mar-31 10:36): *) updated drivers and kernel (to linux-2.6.32.5); *) ssh is now completely rewritten (supports connection forwarding, only DSA keys); *) added support for SSTP protocol (PPP over TLS); *) added support for multiple Intel Ethernet cards; *) added support for IPv6 over PPP (enabled by default if ipv6 package is installed), link-local addresses are assigned, and server can issue IPv6 global prefixes to clients per ppp secret or RADIUS reply (Framed-IPv6-Prefix); *) added proper support for MPLS over PPP (by default it is now disabled); *) fixed RB800 temperature; *) silentboot feature updated; *) WinBox - any file dropped on WinBox will be uploaded to router; *) multicast - fixed possible crash during PIM startup; *) report platform name in /sysrem resource; *) fixed problem - vlans were not working on RB750 ether1; *) fixed mac address handling on RB750, some specific arp requests did not work; *) more than two dns servers allowed in /ip dns; *) sniffer and torch could process packet from other interfaces; *) ospf - fixed DR and BDR election; *) ospf - changed /routing ospf route to show type 2 metric instead of internal metric for type 2 external routes; *) added IPv6 support to trafflow (v9 only); *) rewritten user-manager (formerly known as userman-test); Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 4:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison Tom, What fixes have you seen in 5 for Wireless-N? Or did I mis-read this? Randy RandyAnd they are not the only ones For example, I'm amazed at how far Mikrotik has come, considering feature rich for the dollar. (Note: MIkrotik released new Firmware, a 5 vers, does not list any wirelessN fixes, but it looked like it added a couple relevent and desirable fixes.) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Jeremy Parrjeremyp...@gmail.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison On 13 April 2010 11:52, MDKrea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Did you do a throughput comparison? It was mostly a joke, but I'll bite. A throughput comparison is not fair, since they both just leverage someone else's chipset. My point was simply that if a low end wifi based product had these features 10+ years ago, why the hell does UBNT see fit to release something today that is shiny and fast, but lacking core functionality. I guess the market demands cheap. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 http://www.infowest.com/ Letting off steam always produces more heat than light. - Neal A. Maxwell WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison
Man is that true or what. Not sure if it's intentional or just an unknown/unforeseen side effect. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 9:18 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: One thing I have learned over the years with Mikrotik... they often make many other changes that they don't specifically list in their text document. Travis Microserv Tom DeReggi wrote: Misread I did NOT see any specific mention of fixes for N. That's disappointing. But I saw numerous updates. Anytime there is a kernel upgrade, its relevent, in my opinion. But posted from Mikrotik... What's new in 5.0beta1 (2010-Mar-31 10:36): *) updated drivers and kernel (to linux-2.6.32.5); *) ssh is now completely rewritten (supports connection forwarding, only DSA keys); *) added support for SSTP protocol (PPP over TLS); *) added support for multiple Intel Ethernet cards; *) added support for IPv6 over PPP (enabled by default if ipv6 package is installed), link-local addresses are assigned, and server can issue IPv6 global prefixes to clients per ppp secret or RADIUS reply (Framed-IPv6-Prefix); *) added proper support for MPLS over PPP (by default it is now disabled); *) fixed RB800 temperature; *) silentboot feature updated; *) WinBox - any file dropped on WinBox will be uploaded to router; *) multicast - fixed possible crash during PIM startup; *) report platform name in /sysrem resource; *) fixed problem - vlans were not working on RB750 ether1; *) fixed mac address handling on RB750, some specific arp requests did not work; *) more than two dns servers allowed in /ip dns; *) sniffer and torch could process packet from other interfaces; *) ospf - fixed DR and BDR election; *) ospf - changed /routing ospf route to show type 2 metric instead of internal metric for type 2 external routes; *) added IPv6 support to trafflow (v9 only); *) rewritten user-manager (formerly known as userman-test); Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 4:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison Tom, What fixes have you seen in 5 for Wireless-N? Or did I mis-read this? Randy RandyAnd they are not the only ones For example, I'm amazed at how far Mikrotik has come, considering feature rich for the dollar. (Note: MIkrotik released new Firmware, a 5 vers, does not list any wirelessN fixes, but it looked like it added a couple relevent and desirable fixes.) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Jeremy Parrjeremyp...@gmail.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison On 13 April 2010 11:52, MDKrea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Did you do a throughput comparison? It was mostly a joke, but I'll bite. A throughput comparison is not fair, since they both just leverage someone else's chipset. My point was simply that if a low end wifi based product had these features 10+ years ago, why the hell does UBNT see fit to release something today that is shiny and fast, but lacking core functionality. I guess the market demands cheap. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 http://www.infowest.com/ Letting off steam always produces more heat than light. - Neal A. Maxwell WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison
Are you suggesting they might not always fess up, but sneak the fix in :-) I'll probably test it again in a few days, just in case. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 9:18 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison One thing I have learned over the years with Mikrotik... they often make many other changes that they don't specifically list in their text document. Travis Microserv Tom DeReggi wrote: Misread I did NOT see any specific mention of fixes for N. That's disappointing. But I saw numerous updates. Anytime there is a kernel upgrade, its relevent, in my opinion. But posted from Mikrotik... What's new in 5.0beta1 (2010-Mar-31 10:36): *) updated drivers and kernel (to linux-2.6.32.5); *) ssh is now completely rewritten (supports connection forwarding, only DSA keys); *) added support for SSTP protocol (PPP over TLS); *) added support for multiple Intel Ethernet cards; *) added support for IPv6 over PPP (enabled by default if ipv6 package is installed), link-local addresses are assigned, and server can issue IPv6 global prefixes to clients per ppp secret or RADIUS reply (Framed-IPv6-Prefix); *) added proper support for MPLS over PPP (by default it is now disabled); *) fixed RB800 temperature; *) silentboot feature updated; *) WinBox - any file dropped on WinBox will be uploaded to router; *) multicast - fixed possible crash during PIM startup; *) report platform name in /sysrem resource; *) fixed problem - vlans were not working on RB750 ether1; *) fixed mac address handling on RB750, some specific arp requests did not work; *) more than two dns servers allowed in /ip dns; *) sniffer and torch could process packet from other interfaces; *) ospf - fixed DR and BDR election; *) ospf - changed /routing ospf route to show type 2 metric instead of internal metric for type 2 external routes; *) added IPv6 support to trafflow (v9 only); *) rewritten user-manager (formerly known as userman-test); Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 4:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison Tom, What fixes have you seen in 5 for Wireless-N? Or did I mis-read this? Randy RandyAnd they are not the only ones For example, I'm amazed at how far Mikrotik has come, considering feature rich for the dollar. (Note: MIkrotik released new Firmware, a 5 vers, does not list any wirelessN fixes, but it looked like it added a couple relevent and desirable fixes.) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Jeremy Parrjeremyp...@gmail.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison On 13 April 2010 11:52, MDKrea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Did you do a throughput comparison? It was mostly a joke, but I'll bite. A throughput comparison is not fair, since they both just leverage someone else's chipset. My point was simply that if a low end wifi based product had these features 10+ years ago, why the hell does UBNT see fit to release something today that is shiny and fast, but lacking core functionality. I guess the market demands cheap. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 http://www.infowest.com/ Letting off steam always produces more heat than light. - Neal A. Maxwell WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison
Absolutely. MikroTik has in many instances taken supout's from many different people, and fixed a bug without reporting it. Maybe they look at it as a minor feature enhancement. (LOL) Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 9:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison Are you suggesting they might not always fess up, but sneak the fix in :-) I'll probably test it again in a few days, just in case. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 9:18 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison One thing I have learned over the years with Mikrotik... they often make many other changes that they don't specifically list in their text document. Travis Microserv Tom DeReggi wrote: Misread I did NOT see any specific mention of fixes for N. That's disappointing. But I saw numerous updates. Anytime there is a kernel upgrade, its relevent, in my opinion. But posted from Mikrotik... What's new in 5.0beta1 (2010-Mar-31 10:36): *) updated drivers and kernel (to linux-2.6.32.5); *) ssh is now completely rewritten (supports connection forwarding, only DSA keys); *) added support for SSTP protocol (PPP over TLS); *) added support for multiple Intel Ethernet cards; *) added support for IPv6 over PPP (enabled by default if ipv6 package is installed), link-local addresses are assigned, and server can issue IPv6 global prefixes to clients per ppp secret or RADIUS reply (Framed-IPv6-Prefix); *) added proper support for MPLS over PPP (by default it is now disabled); *) fixed RB800 temperature; *) silentboot feature updated; *) WinBox - any file dropped on WinBox will be uploaded to router; *) multicast - fixed possible crash during PIM startup; *) report platform name in /sysrem resource; *) fixed problem - vlans were not working on RB750 ether1; *) fixed mac address handling on RB750, some specific arp requests did not work; *) more than two dns servers allowed in /ip dns; *) sniffer and torch could process packet from other interfaces; *) ospf - fixed DR and BDR election; *) ospf - changed /routing ospf route to show type 2 metric instead of internal metric for type 2 external routes; *) added IPv6 support to trafflow (v9 only); *) rewritten user-manager (formerly known as userman-test); Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 4:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison Tom, What fixes have you seen in 5 for Wireless-N? Or did I mis-read this? Randy RandyAnd they are not the only ones For example, I'm amazed at how far Mikrotik has come, considering feature rich for the dollar. (Note: MIkrotik released new Firmware, a 5 vers, does not list any wirelessN fixes, but it looked like it added a couple relevent and desirable fixes.) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Jeremy Parrjeremyp...@gmail.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison On 13 April 2010 11:52, MDKrea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Did you do a throughput comparison? It was mostly a joke, but I'll bite. A throughput comparison is not fair, since they both just leverage someone else's chipset. My point was simply that if a low end wifi based product had these features 10+ years ago, why the hell does UBNT see fit to release something today that is shiny and fast, but lacking core functionality. I guess the market demands cheap. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 http
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison
Tom, With no security or security set to WPA2-AES and the latest beta firmware there are no WDS problems with the new gear - I have plenty of them out there doing their job just fine. As with any radio, you can certainly probably find ways to configure them to have them not perform so well. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 8:50 PM To: can...@believewireless.net, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison WDS re-reg issues Care to elaborate with that? We run everything bridged (WDS) with other brands. Were you running into issues using Ubiquity as both AP and SU in PtMP, or with other brand as the other? but PtMP is just terrible for VoIP or anything that can't handle latency spikes. What do you attribute the latency spikes to? Do you get the latency Spikes with both the CDMA modes and the proprietary TDD imulation modes? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: can...@believewireless.net p...@believewireless.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 8:00 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison After some large experiments with Ubiquiti.. Canopy 430 here we come! Too many problems with latency and WDS re-reg issues. These seem to work pretty well for PtP links, but PtMP is just terrible for VoIP or anything that can't handle latency spikes. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison
On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 9:00 PM, can...@believewireless.net p...@believewireless.net wrote: After some large experiments with Ubiquiti.. Canopy 430 here we come! Too many problems with latency and WDS re-reg issues. These seem to work pretty well for PtP links, but PtMP is just terrible for VoIP or anything that can't handle latency spikes. Is it a coincidence that your e-mail address is canopy@ ? :-) I've noticed WDS problems with Wi-Fi gear for a long time; previously it was more easily triggered by security protocols and channel selections. With 802.11n there seems to be added problems with association and performance impacts on the 802.11n MAC aggregation mechanisms. That's why I currently believe in scaling Wi-Fi based (even with proprietary polling protocols like nstreme or AirMax) without using WDS, which is not part of the 802.11 specification BTW. One can add a Mikrotik RB-750 at every customer site for US$40 and achieve whatever Layer-2 transparency (by using MPLS/VPLS, EoIP, Ethernet over PPP) and user enforcement/control (filtering to allow only PPPoE frames, doing a hotspot authentication at the RB750 or what fits best your business model) and then use whatever radio network is offering good quality at good prices at that time. Regarding the latency spikes, 802.11e might be useful and probably more powerful having a CPE device that could mark QoS/ToS/DSCP/CoS/EXP before it comes to the radio. I haven't seen a working 802.11e-based network yet, but there are very few end-to-end QoS-enabled IP networks on the world and it took $M, not $k, money to build them, so it was very unlikely that I could find one with 802.11 devices. But for the price of Ubiquiti gear it seems very interesting to investigate what could be done. Rubens WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison
But for the price of Ubiquiti gear it seems very interesting to investigate what could be done. Well, thats the golden question... We dont currently use Ubiquiti yet in a live network, but we cant ignore the value proposition. When APs are $90, do we need APs that scale? But we do need radios that stay associated though. Good to hear, some are reporting the new beta5 firmware is appearing to run stable with WDS. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Rubens Kuhl rube...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 11:33 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 9:00 PM, can...@believewireless.net p...@believewireless.net wrote: After some large experiments with Ubiquiti.. Canopy 430 here we come! Too many problems with latency and WDS re-reg issues. These seem to work pretty well for PtP links, but PtMP is just terrible for VoIP or anything that can't handle latency spikes. Is it a coincidence that your e-mail address is canopy@ ? :-) I've noticed WDS problems with Wi-Fi gear for a long time; previously it was more easily triggered by security protocols and channel selections. With 802.11n there seems to be added problems with association and performance impacts on the 802.11n MAC aggregation mechanisms. That's why I currently believe in scaling Wi-Fi based (even with proprietary polling protocols like nstreme or AirMax) without using WDS, which is not part of the 802.11 specification BTW. One can add a Mikrotik RB-750 at every customer site for US$40 and achieve whatever Layer-2 transparency (by using MPLS/VPLS, EoIP, Ethernet over PPP) and user enforcement/control (filtering to allow only PPPoE frames, doing a hotspot authentication at the RB750 or what fits best your business model) and then use whatever radio network is offering good quality at good prices at that time. Regarding the latency spikes, 802.11e might be useful and probably more powerful having a CPE device that could mark QoS/ToS/DSCP/CoS/EXP before it comes to the radio. I haven't seen a working 802.11e-based network yet, but there are very few end-to-end QoS-enabled IP networks on the world and it took $M, not $k, money to build them, so it was very unlikely that I could find one with 802.11 devices. But for the price of Ubiquiti gear it seems very interesting to investigate what could be done. Rubens WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison
On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 1:51 AM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: But for the price of Ubiquiti gear it seems very interesting to investigate what could be done. Well, thats the golden question... We dont currently use Ubiquiti yet in a live network, but we cant ignore the value proposition. When APs are $90, do we need APs that scale? canopy@ made a good point that when you can only operate at 5.8 GHz which has only 6 channels, AP scaling is important. But although he or she is right that Ubiquiti cannot be used right now in the US at 5.4 GHz, that's just a matter of time. And 5.4 GHz can tolerate lesser spectral efficiency as it has much more spectrum and have power limits and DFS requirements that is very positive in making inter-provider interference easier to handle. But we do need radios that stay associated though. Good to hear, some are reporting the new beta5 firmware is appearing to run stable with WDS. Which might be just a breathe before another bug or impact of WDS is noticed in the field. And it's not Ubiquiti's fault, it's WDS fault. May be next time IEEE come up with a good WDS solution on the standard, but for now, it's seems a liability. Rubens WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison
Just for fun AP1000Ubiqiuti KN TurboCellAirOS 1992 2009 Polling MAC Yes Yes Radius MAC Auth Yes No Metal Enclosure Yes No Rugged RF connectorsNo No Modular Wirless Interfaces Yes No Per Client RF Stats Yes No Complete SNMP MIBs Yes No We've come a long way? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
