Re: [WISPA] Utility Pole cell

[Jeromie Reeves]

I like the MN install. The other two work for farms or such, but
people in the city quickly get persnickety about things like that. Be
aware of public opinion of in-city installs, residents can cause a lot
of issues!


On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 1:40 PM, Ryan Spott  wrote:
> Another pic from my google-stalking...
> 
>
> ryan
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 1:37 PM, Ryan Spott  wrote:
>> I live in Western WA.. my power is just a hair more expensive than Marlon's!
>>
>> I have been looking into something like this:
>>  or this
>> 
>>
>> ryan
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Jeromie Reeves  wrote:
>>> I would check out the expected power usage before making such a flat
>>> rate deal. For 1...@120v for $35 is a crazy sweet deal.
>>> However, for two of my sites, it would not be. They use 9Kw/h a
>>> , less then $2/mo in usage. $10/mo service fee. While
>>> the difference will not break the bank, 20 or 30 of them would quickly
>>> have me thinking what better things I could do with that money every
>>> month (5 new clients or 20mb more data or the office rent or a new car
>>> + ins, etc etc).
>>>
>>> Those 2 sites have 4 bullets, 2 nano's, a rb433 and a 8port switch.
>>> They will never have to much more then that.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 8:34 AM, Ryan Spott  wrote:
 First off, tell them you do NOT want to be in the power space, you
 want to be in the communications space. (Otherwise all of your
 installs and maintenance will need to be done by a lineman... this is
 for YOUR safety!)

 Tell them your equipment is the equivalent of a cable-TV power supply
 and is mounted the same, that is to say; "out of the way of linemen
 climbing the pole!" 
 (Your box will be fiberglass or something)

 Drive around quickly where there are cable-tv cables and look for
 power supplies like the one shown above. (they may say "alpha" on
 them. If there is a meter attached then darn! if not, then negotiate
 for a flat rate power bill for each power supply that you need to
 mount. There will be a 2-300 charge to get the power to the box, but
 then your power bill for each month will be around $30-45 bucks. I run
 a cable-co and my draw is 16a...@120v.. 24 hours a day, 7 days a
 week... I get billed $35... No meter! :)

 Other examples... and a quick rundown of how things are spaced on a pole:
 

 My wife is running out to get a picture of a "cellnet" box that was
 recently put on the poles around here. They are used for 400?mhz?
 based meter reading in the meter reading band. Nifty stuff. They place
 the antennas up in the power space using the linemen from the power
 company, then they place the electronics down in the communications
 space so they can work on it when they need to. As soon as I have the
 pics, I'll put them somewhere that people can see them.

 You may also try and get access to the light standards.
 
 Your power comes from a tap that sits between the power supply to the
 light, and the electric eye. If you are in a resi area, this might be
 your best bet BUT this is considered the electrified area of the
 power-pole... so lineman charges apply.

 Just go in with "safety, safety, safety" and they will really work with 
 you

 ryan




 On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 7:26 AM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr
  wrote:
> I know this subject has been visited already recently.  We are meeting
> with a local rural electric coop about using pole space to facilitate
> neighborhood wireless.  They have some concerns about aesthetics and
> liability, does anyone already doing this have some pics they can share
> so that we can have something tangible to show them.  We are thinking a
> small backhaul/omni for the cell setup.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Patrick Nix, Jr.,
> Computer Network Solutions
> CSWEB.NET Internet Services
> IT Manager
>
> http://www.cnetworksolutions.com
> http://www.csweb.net
>
> (918) 235-0414
>
>
>
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Utility Pole cell

[Ryan Spott]

Another pic from my google-stalking...


ryan

On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 1:37 PM, Ryan Spott  wrote:
> I live in Western WA.. my power is just a hair more expensive than Marlon's!
>
> I have been looking into something like this:
>  or this
> 
>
> ryan
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Jeromie Reeves  wrote:
>> I would check out the expected power usage before making such a flat
>> rate deal. For 1...@120v for $35 is a crazy sweet deal.
>> However, for two of my sites, it would not be. They use 9Kw/h a
>> , less then $2/mo in usage. $10/mo service fee. While
>> the difference will not break the bank, 20 or 30 of them would quickly
>> have me thinking what better things I could do with that money every
>> month (5 new clients or 20mb more data or the office rent or a new car
>> + ins, etc etc).
>>
>> Those 2 sites have 4 bullets, 2 nano's, a rb433 and a 8port switch.
>> They will never have to much more then that.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 8:34 AM, Ryan Spott  wrote:
>>> First off, tell them you do NOT want to be in the power space, you
>>> want to be in the communications space. (Otherwise all of your
>>> installs and maintenance will need to be done by a lineman... this is
>>> for YOUR safety!)
>>>
>>> Tell them your equipment is the equivalent of a cable-TV power supply
>>> and is mounted the same, that is to say; "out of the way of linemen
>>> climbing the pole!" 
>>> (Your box will be fiberglass or something)
>>>
>>> Drive around quickly where there are cable-tv cables and look for
>>> power supplies like the one shown above. (they may say "alpha" on
>>> them. If there is a meter attached then darn! if not, then negotiate
>>> for a flat rate power bill for each power supply that you need to
>>> mount. There will be a 2-300 charge to get the power to the box, but
>>> then your power bill for each month will be around $30-45 bucks. I run
>>> a cable-co and my draw is 16a...@120v.. 24 hours a day, 7 days a
>>> week... I get billed $35... No meter! :)
>>>
>>> Other examples... and a quick rundown of how things are spaced on a pole:
>>> 
>>>
>>> My wife is running out to get a picture of a "cellnet" box that was
>>> recently put on the poles around here. They are used for 400?mhz?
>>> based meter reading in the meter reading band. Nifty stuff. They place
>>> the antennas up in the power space using the linemen from the power
>>> company, then they place the electronics down in the communications
>>> space so they can work on it when they need to. As soon as I have the
>>> pics, I'll put them somewhere that people can see them.
>>>
>>> You may also try and get access to the light standards.
>>> 
>>> Your power comes from a tap that sits between the power supply to the
>>> light, and the electric eye. If you are in a resi area, this might be
>>> your best bet BUT this is considered the electrified area of the
>>> power-pole... so lineman charges apply.
>>>
>>> Just go in with "safety, safety, safety" and they will really work with 
>>> you
>>>
>>> ryan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 7:26 AM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr
>>>  wrote:
 I know this subject has been visited already recently.  We are meeting
 with a local rural electric coop about using pole space to facilitate
 neighborhood wireless.  They have some concerns about aesthetics and
 liability, does anyone already doing this have some pics they can share
 so that we can have something tangible to show them.  We are thinking a
 small backhaul/omni for the cell setup.



 Thanks

 Patrick Nix, Jr.,
 Computer Network Solutions
 CSWEB.NET Internet Services
 IT Manager

 http://www.cnetworksolutions.com
 http://www.csweb.net

 (918) 235-0414



 

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Re: [WISPA] Utility Pole cell

[Ryan Spott]

I live in Western WA.. my power is just a hair more expensive than Marlon's!

I have been looking into something like this:
 or this


ryan



On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Jeromie Reeves  wrote:
> I would check out the expected power usage before making such a flat
> rate deal. For 1...@120v for $35 is a crazy sweet deal.
> However, for two of my sites, it would not be. They use 9Kw/h a
> , less then $2/mo in usage. $10/mo service fee. While
> the difference will not break the bank, 20 or 30 of them would quickly
> have me thinking what better things I could do with that money every
> month (5 new clients or 20mb more data or the office rent or a new car
> + ins, etc etc).
>
> Those 2 sites have 4 bullets, 2 nano's, a rb433 and a 8port switch.
> They will never have to much more then that.
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 8:34 AM, Ryan Spott  wrote:
>> First off, tell them you do NOT want to be in the power space, you
>> want to be in the communications space. (Otherwise all of your
>> installs and maintenance will need to be done by a lineman... this is
>> for YOUR safety!)
>>
>> Tell them your equipment is the equivalent of a cable-TV power supply
>> and is mounted the same, that is to say; "out of the way of linemen
>> climbing the pole!" 
>> (Your box will be fiberglass or something)
>>
>> Drive around quickly where there are cable-tv cables and look for
>> power supplies like the one shown above. (they may say "alpha" on
>> them. If there is a meter attached then darn! if not, then negotiate
>> for a flat rate power bill for each power supply that you need to
>> mount. There will be a 2-300 charge to get the power to the box, but
>> then your power bill for each month will be around $30-45 bucks. I run
>> a cable-co and my draw is 16a...@120v.. 24 hours a day, 7 days a
>> week... I get billed $35... No meter! :)
>>
>> Other examples... and a quick rundown of how things are spaced on a pole:
>> 
>>
>> My wife is running out to get a picture of a "cellnet" box that was
>> recently put on the poles around here. They are used for 400?mhz?
>> based meter reading in the meter reading band. Nifty stuff. They place
>> the antennas up in the power space using the linemen from the power
>> company, then they place the electronics down in the communications
>> space so they can work on it when they need to. As soon as I have the
>> pics, I'll put them somewhere that people can see them.
>>
>> You may also try and get access to the light standards.
>> 
>> Your power comes from a tap that sits between the power supply to the
>> light, and the electric eye. If you are in a resi area, this might be
>> your best bet BUT this is considered the electrified area of the
>> power-pole... so lineman charges apply.
>>
>> Just go in with "safety, safety, safety" and they will really work with 
>> you
>>
>> ryan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 7:26 AM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr
>>  wrote:
>>> I know this subject has been visited already recently.  We are meeting
>>> with a local rural electric coop about using pole space to facilitate
>>> neighborhood wireless.  They have some concerns about aesthetics and
>>> liability, does anyone already doing this have some pics they can share
>>> so that we can have something tangible to show them.  We are thinking a
>>> small backhaul/omni for the cell setup.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Patrick Nix, Jr.,
>>> Computer Network Solutions
>>> CSWEB.NET Internet Services
>>> IT Manager
>>>
>>> http://www.cnetworksolutions.com
>>> http://www.csweb.net
>>>
>>> (918) 235-0414
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Utility Pole cell

[Jeromie Reeves]

I would check out the expected power usage before making such a flat
rate deal. For 1...@120v for $35 is a crazy sweet deal.
However, for two of my sites, it would not be. They use 9Kw/h a
, less then $2/mo in usage. $10/mo service fee. While
the difference will not break the bank, 20 or 30 of them would quickly
have me thinking what better things I could do with that money every
month (5 new clients or 20mb more data or the office rent or a new car
+ ins, etc etc).

Those 2 sites have 4 bullets, 2 nano's, a rb433 and a 8port switch.
They will never have to much more then that.


On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 8:34 AM, Ryan Spott  wrote:
> First off, tell them you do NOT want to be in the power space, you
> want to be in the communications space. (Otherwise all of your
> installs and maintenance will need to be done by a lineman... this is
> for YOUR safety!)
>
> Tell them your equipment is the equivalent of a cable-TV power supply
> and is mounted the same, that is to say; "out of the way of linemen
> climbing the pole!" 
> (Your box will be fiberglass or something)
>
> Drive around quickly where there are cable-tv cables and look for
> power supplies like the one shown above. (they may say "alpha" on
> them. If there is a meter attached then darn! if not, then negotiate
> for a flat rate power bill for each power supply that you need to
> mount. There will be a 2-300 charge to get the power to the box, but
> then your power bill for each month will be around $30-45 bucks. I run
> a cable-co and my draw is 16a...@120v.. 24 hours a day, 7 days a
> week... I get billed $35... No meter! :)
>
> Other examples... and a quick rundown of how things are spaced on a pole:
> 
>
> My wife is running out to get a picture of a "cellnet" box that was
> recently put on the poles around here. They are used for 400?mhz?
> based meter reading in the meter reading band. Nifty stuff. They place
> the antennas up in the power space using the linemen from the power
> company, then they place the electronics down in the communications
> space so they can work on it when they need to. As soon as I have the
> pics, I'll put them somewhere that people can see them.
>
> You may also try and get access to the light standards.
> 
> Your power comes from a tap that sits between the power supply to the
> light, and the electric eye. If you are in a resi area, this might be
> your best bet BUT this is considered the electrified area of the
> power-pole... so lineman charges apply.
>
> Just go in with "safety, safety, safety" and they will really work with 
> you
>
> ryan
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 7:26 AM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr
>  wrote:
>> I know this subject has been visited already recently.  We are meeting
>> with a local rural electric coop about using pole space to facilitate
>> neighborhood wireless.  They have some concerns about aesthetics and
>> liability, does anyone already doing this have some pics they can share
>> so that we can have something tangible to show them.  We are thinking a
>> small backhaul/omni for the cell setup.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Patrick Nix, Jr.,
>> Computer Network Solutions
>> CSWEB.NET Internet Services
>> IT Manager
>>
>> http://www.cnetworksolutions.com
>> http://www.csweb.net
>>
>> (918) 235-0414
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Utility Pole cell

[Blake Bowers]

And when talking to the utility company, don't EVER use the 
word cell, cellular, or PCS.

Big dollar signs flash at that point.


Don't take your organs to heaven, 
heaven knows we need them down here!
Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. 

- Original Message - 
From: "Ryan Spott" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Utility Pole cell


First off, tell them you do NOT want to be in the power space, you
want to be in the communications space. (Otherwise all of your
installs and maintenance will need to be done by a lineman... this is
for YOUR safety!)





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Re: [WISPA] Utility Pole cell

[Paul Gerstenberger]

We ourselves are a rural electric coop and put equipment on utility poles.

Since we ARE the utility we can put some devices up in the power space 
(PUC still hassles us on inspections, even though it's legit), where you 
may need to maintain a certain clearance. Our fiber for example, is 
all-dielectric so we can run it above the neutral line, not in the 
communications space. So there may not be as much usable space on the 
poles as you're thinking. Our access points are on dedicated 65ft poles, 
but we do put subscriber units and aerial cat-5 on utility poles where 
needed.

Our early work isn't the best looking, I don't think I have any pictures 
I'd really want to share. We use hoffman enclosures and in the early 
days the boxes we were using were simply too small. Ended up cramped and 
untidy inside. And most of our sites needed multiple small boxes on the 
pole which didn't end up being the most aesthetically pleasing. When we 
needed up upgrade to a much larger UPS at one of them, we set a large 
hoffman box on a stub pole just for the batteries (SUA750XL with 
multiple battery packs).

The newer stuff uses a single hoffman box large enough to have a full 
size APC SUA750XL in the bottom, that way we can have decent runtime and 
a management card to monitor and powercycle the entire tower if we need 
to (no per-outlet control). Above that we have room for a switch or 
router, PoE, power supplies, etc. We run a 2" conduit up the pole for 
the cat-5.

-Paul

Patrick D. Nix, Jr wrote:
> I know this subject has been visited already recently.  We are meeting
> with a local rural electric coop about using pole space to facilitate
> neighborhood wireless.  They have some concerns about aesthetics and
> liability, does anyone already doing this have some pics they can share
> so that we can have something tangible to show them.  We are thinking a
> small backhaul/omni for the cell setup.
>
>  
>
> Thanks
>
> Patrick Nix, Jr.,
> Computer Network Solutions
> CSWEB.NET Internet Services
> IT Manager
>
> http://www.cnetworksolutions.com
> http://www.csweb.net
>
> (918) 235-0414
>
>  
>
> 
>
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Re: [WISPA] Utility Pole cell

[Ryan Spott]

First off, tell them you do NOT want to be in the power space, you
want to be in the communications space. (Otherwise all of your
installs and maintenance will need to be done by a lineman... this is
for YOUR safety!)

Tell them your equipment is the equivalent of a cable-TV power supply
and is mounted the same, that is to say; "out of the way of linemen
climbing the pole!" 
(Your box will be fiberglass or something)

Drive around quickly where there are cable-tv cables and look for
power supplies like the one shown above. (they may say "alpha" on
them. If there is a meter attached then darn! if not, then negotiate
for a flat rate power bill for each power supply that you need to
mount. There will be a 2-300 charge to get the power to the box, but
then your power bill for each month will be around $30-45 bucks. I run
a cable-co and my draw is 16a...@120v.. 24 hours a day, 7 days a
week... I get billed $35... No meter! :)

Other examples... and a quick rundown of how things are spaced on a pole:


My wife is running out to get a picture of a "cellnet" box that was
recently put on the poles around here. They are used for 400?mhz?
based meter reading in the meter reading band. Nifty stuff. They place
the antennas up in the power space using the linemen from the power
company, then they place the electronics down in the communications
space so they can work on it when they need to. As soon as I have the
pics, I'll put them somewhere that people can see them.

You may also try and get access to the light standards.

Your power comes from a tap that sits between the power supply to the
light, and the electric eye. If you are in a resi area, this might be
your best bet BUT this is considered the electrified area of the
power-pole... so lineman charges apply.

Just go in with "safety, safety, safety" and they will really work with you

ryan




On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 7:26 AM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr
 wrote:
> I know this subject has been visited already recently.  We are meeting
> with a local rural electric coop about using pole space to facilitate
> neighborhood wireless.  They have some concerns about aesthetics and
> liability, does anyone already doing this have some pics they can share
> so that we can have something tangible to show them.  We are thinking a
> small backhaul/omni for the cell setup.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Patrick Nix, Jr.,
> Computer Network Solutions
> CSWEB.NET Internet Services
> IT Manager
>
> http://www.cnetworksolutions.com
> http://www.csweb.net
>
> (918) 235-0414
>
>
>
> 
>
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[WISPA] Utility Pole cell

[Patrick D. Nix, Jr]

I know this subject has been visited already recently.  We are meeting
with a local rural electric coop about using pole space to facilitate
neighborhood wireless.  They have some concerns about aesthetics and
liability, does anyone already doing this have some pics they can share
so that we can have something tangible to show them.  We are thinking a
small backhaul/omni for the cell setup.

 

Thanks

Patrick Nix, Jr.,
Computer Network Solutions
CSWEB.NET Internet Services
IT Manager

http://www.cnetworksolutions.com
http://www.csweb.net

(918) 235-0414

 



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