Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble
This seems a good solution for the painting but will it do much for sandblasting? __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (800) 638-2614 http://www.csweb.net E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2 Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 6:04 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Something that will repel water and not absorb any. Tarps will do fine. Visqueen will do even better if it is durable enough. - Original Message - From: Patrick Nix Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 5:02 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Any other ideas? __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (800) 638-2614 http://www.csweb.net E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 4:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Burlap is a bad idea if you are going to use the system while it is covered Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Patrick Nix Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 14:37:54 To:WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble We are going in the morning to start covering the equipment on the tower for the rehab, the earlier suggestion of burlap is this a good solution for sandblasting and how will it affect signal on 5.8Ghz link? Thanks __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (800) 638-2614 http://www.csweb.net E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ryan Langseth Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 10:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Good to hear it worked out, make sure to inspect all of the cables after they are done, we had a watertower painted last fall and did not check the cables after they were done. While everything still worked, 6 months later we had water leak into one cable and fry the PoE on a backhaul (on a friday night of course). Ryan Patrick Nix Jr. wrote: Well, I just met with the contractors and we were able to reach an agreement, we just have to sign a damage waiver, and be there to move/remove equipment as needed. I am curious about the suggestion to cover equipment with burlap, how if at all does this affect the signal, also they will be putting a Geo-tarp up, will this affect the signal greatly 900Mhz and 5.8Ghz Thanks __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (800) 638-2614 http://www.csweb.net E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 4:46 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Patrick, Been there, doing that now! We were given 1 week notice that a large water tower was going to be sandblasted and painted in a neighboring community. Which really stinks because the city knew this was going to happen 6 months ago. Luckily we found a tower at a local college where we could move our equipment to in the interim. They expected this to be a 3 month project and we are about 2 months into it now. Alternative solutions are slim to none where you are except bringing in a mobile pig. These mobile
Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble
If they don't direct the sandblast nozzle right at your equipment you will be fine. If you think you are going to get hit directly, then you will need rubber sheets over the gear. I don't know of anything (that is a dielectric) other than rubber that stands up to sand blasting. - Original Message - From: Patrick Nix Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 8:26 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble This seems a good solution for the painting but will it do much for sandblasting? __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (800) 638-2614 http://www.csweb.net E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2 Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 6:04 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Something that will repel water and not absorb any. Tarps will do fine. Visqueen will do even better if it is durable enough. - Original Message - From: Patrick Nix Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 5:02 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Any other ideas? __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (800) 638-2614 http://www.csweb.net E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 4:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Burlap is a bad idea if you are going to use the system while it is covered Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Patrick Nix Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 14:37:54 To:WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble We are going in the morning to start covering the equipment on the tower for the rehab, the earlier suggestion of burlap is this a good solution for sandblasting and how will it affect signal on 5.8Ghz link? Thanks __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (800) 638-2614 http://www.csweb.net E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ryan Langseth Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 10:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Good to hear it worked out, make sure to inspect all of the cables after they are done, we had a watertower painted last fall and did not check the cables after they were done. While everything still worked, 6 months later we had water leak into one cable and fry the PoE on a backhaul (on a friday night of course). Ryan Patrick Nix Jr. wrote: Well, I just met with the contractors and we were able to reach an agreement, we just have to sign a damage waiver, and be there to move/remove equipment as needed. I am curious about the suggestion to cover equipment with burlap, how if at all does this affect the signal, also they will be putting a Geo-tarp up, will this affect the signal greatly 900Mhz and 5.8Ghz Thanks __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (800) 638-2614 http://www.csweb.net E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 4:46 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Patrick, Been there, doing
Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble
Good to hear it worked out, make sure to inspect all of the cables after they are done, we had a watertower painted last fall and did not check the cables after they were done. While everything still worked, 6 months later we had water leak into one cable and fry the PoE on a backhaul (on a friday night of course). Ryan Patrick Nix Jr. wrote: Well, I just met with the contractors and we were able to reach an agreement, we just have to sign a damage waiver, and be there to move/remove equipment as needed. I am curious about the suggestion to cover equipment with burlap, how if at all does this affect the signal, also they will be putting a Geo-tarp up, will this affect the signal greatly 900Mhz and 5.8Ghz Thanks __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (800) 638-2614 http://www.csweb.net E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 4:46 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Patrick, Been there, doing that now! We were given 1 week notice that a large water tower was going to be sandblasted and painted in a neighboring community. Which really stinks because the city knew this was going to happen 6 months ago. Luckily we found a tower at a local college where we could move our equipment to in the interim. They expected this to be a 3 month project and we are about 2 months into it now. Alternative solutions are slim to none where you are except bringing in a mobile pig. These mobile towers can usually get up to about 100' but will may be cost prohibitive depending on the revenue on that particular tower. I rented 3 of these towers last summer for a school system from a company in Oklahoma. I googled mobile towers and everything kept pointing to one basic company. I was surprised there were not more scattered around the country. Another option might be to contact the cell phone providers in your area and lease a tower from their fleetalthough that may be a challenge in itself. Rick Harnish -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Nix Jr. Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 3:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Got a situation... just received a call from the town's water dep't administrator telling me we have to be off of the tower in 3 days due to maintenance on tower. Evidently there is lead in the tower and a contractor is coming in to sandblast and repaint inside and out of the tower, as well as bring it up to safety standards. The problem is this is the only location available in this area to service approx 150 subs, and we received 3 days notice on a project they have evidently been working on for 4-5 months. Anyway has anyone had to work around similar situations and if so how long does this process normally take... they tell me it could be up to 2 months. By that time there will be no one left that will want service. Any thoughts? __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (800) 638-2614 http://www.csweb.net http://www.csweb.net/ E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.21/1457 - Release Date: 5/20/2008 4:45 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.21/1457 - Release Date: 5/20/2008 4:45 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA
Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble
We are going in the morning to start covering the equipment on the tower for the rehab, the earlier suggestion of burlap is this a good solution for sandblasting and how will it affect signal on 5.8Ghz link? Thanks __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (800) 638-2614 http://www.csweb.net E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ryan Langseth Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 10:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Good to hear it worked out, make sure to inspect all of the cables after they are done, we had a watertower painted last fall and did not check the cables after they were done. While everything still worked, 6 months later we had water leak into one cable and fry the PoE on a backhaul (on a friday night of course). Ryan Patrick Nix Jr. wrote: Well, I just met with the contractors and we were able to reach an agreement, we just have to sign a damage waiver, and be there to move/remove equipment as needed. I am curious about the suggestion to cover equipment with burlap, how if at all does this affect the signal, also they will be putting a Geo-tarp up, will this affect the signal greatly 900Mhz and 5.8Ghz Thanks __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (800) 638-2614 http://www.csweb.net E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 4:46 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Patrick, Been there, doing that now! We were given 1 week notice that a large water tower was going to be sandblasted and painted in a neighboring community. Which really stinks because the city knew this was going to happen 6 months ago. Luckily we found a tower at a local college where we could move our equipment to in the interim. They expected this to be a 3 month project and we are about 2 months into it now. Alternative solutions are slim to none where you are except bringing in a mobile pig. These mobile towers can usually get up to about 100' but will may be cost prohibitive depending on the revenue on that particular tower. I rented 3 of these towers last summer for a school system from a company in Oklahoma. I googled mobile towers and everything kept pointing to one basic company. I was surprised there were not more scattered around the country. Another option might be to contact the cell phone providers in your area and lease a tower from their fleetalthough that may be a challenge in itself. Rick Harnish -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Nix Jr. Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 3:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Got a situation... just received a call from the town's water dep't administrator telling me we have to be off of the tower in 3 days due to maintenance on tower. Evidently there is lead in the tower and a contractor is coming in to sandblast and repaint inside and out of the tower, as well as bring it up to safety standards. The problem is this is the only location available in this area to service approx 150 subs, and we received 3 days notice on a project they have evidently been working on for 4-5 months. Anyway has anyone had to work around similar situations and if so how long does this process normally take... they tell me it could be up to 2 months. By that time there will be no one left that will want service. Any thoughts? __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (800) 638-2614 http://www.csweb.net http://www.csweb.net/ E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you
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Burlap is a bad idea if you are going to use the system while it is covered Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Patrick Nix Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 14:37:54 To:WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble We are going in the morning to start covering the equipment on the tower for the rehab, the earlier suggestion of burlap is this a good solution for sandblasting and how will it affect signal on 5.8Ghz link? Thanks __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (800) 638-2614 http://www.csweb.net E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ryan Langseth Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 10:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Good to hear it worked out, make sure to inspect all of the cables after they are done, we had a watertower painted last fall and did not check the cables after they were done. While everything still worked, 6 months later we had water leak into one cable and fry the PoE on a backhaul (on a friday night of course). Ryan Patrick Nix Jr. wrote: Well, I just met with the contractors and we were able to reach an agreement, we just have to sign a damage waiver, and be there to move/remove equipment as needed. I am curious about the suggestion to cover equipment with burlap, how if at all does this affect the signal, also they will be putting a Geo-tarp up, will this affect the signal greatly 900Mhz and 5.8Ghz Thanks __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (800) 638-2614 http://www.csweb.net E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 4:46 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Patrick, Been there, doing that now! We were given 1 week notice that a large water tower was going to be sandblasted and painted in a neighboring community. Which really stinks because the city knew this was going to happen 6 months ago. Luckily we found a tower at a local college where we could move our equipment to in the interim. They expected this to be a 3 month project and we are about 2 months into it now. Alternative solutions are slim to none where you are except bringing in a mobile pig. These mobile towers can usually get up to about 100' but will may be cost prohibitive depending on the revenue on that particular tower. I rented 3 of these towers last summer for a school system from a company in Oklahoma. I googled mobile towers and everything kept pointing to one basic company. I was surprised there were not more scattered around the country. Another option might be to contact the cell phone providers in your area and lease a tower from their fleetalthough that may be a challenge in itself. Rick Harnish -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Nix Jr. Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 3:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Got a situation... just received a call from the town's water dep't administrator telling me we have to be off of the tower in 3 days due to maintenance on tower. Evidently there is lead in the tower and a contractor is coming in to sandblast and repaint inside and out of the tower, as well as bring it up to safety standards. The problem is this is the only location available in this area to service approx 150 subs, and we received 3 days notice on a project they have evidently been working on for 4-5 months. Anyway has anyone had to work around similar situations and if so how long does this process normally take... they tell me it could be up to 2 months. By that time there will be no one left that will want service. Any thoughts? __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (800) 638-2614 http://www.csweb.net http://www.csweb.net/ E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain
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Any other ideas? __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (800) 638-2614 http://www.csweb.net E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 4:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Burlap is a bad idea if you are going to use the system while it is covered Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Patrick Nix Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 14:37:54 To:WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble We are going in the morning to start covering the equipment on the tower for the rehab, the earlier suggestion of burlap is this a good solution for sandblasting and how will it affect signal on 5.8Ghz link? Thanks __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (800) 638-2614 http://www.csweb.net E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ryan Langseth Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 10:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Good to hear it worked out, make sure to inspect all of the cables after they are done, we had a watertower painted last fall and did not check the cables after they were done. While everything still worked, 6 months later we had water leak into one cable and fry the PoE on a backhaul (on a friday night of course). Ryan Patrick Nix Jr. wrote: Well, I just met with the contractors and we were able to reach an agreement, we just have to sign a damage waiver, and be there to move/remove equipment as needed. I am curious about the suggestion to cover equipment with burlap, how if at all does this affect the signal, also they will be putting a Geo-tarp up, will this affect the signal greatly 900Mhz and 5.8Ghz Thanks __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (800) 638-2614 http://www.csweb.net E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 4:46 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Patrick, Been there, doing that now! We were given 1 week notice that a large water tower was going to be sandblasted and painted in a neighboring community. Which really stinks because the city knew this was going to happen 6 months ago. Luckily we found a tower at a local college where we could move our equipment to in the interim. They expected this to be a 3 month project and we are about 2 months into it now. Alternative solutions are slim to none where you are except bringing in a mobile pig. These mobile towers can usually get up to about 100' but will may be cost prohibitive depending on the revenue on that particular tower. I rented 3 of these towers last summer for a school system from a company in Oklahoma. I googled mobile towers and everything kept pointing to one basic company. I was surprised there were not more scattered around the country. Another option might be to contact the cell phone providers in your area and lease a tower from their fleetalthough that may be a challenge in itself. Rick Harnish -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Nix Jr. Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 3:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Got a situation... just received a call from the town's water dep't administrator telling me we have to be off of the tower in 3 days due to maintenance on tower. Evidently there is lead in the tower and a contractor is coming in to sandblast and repaint inside and out of the tower, as well as bring it up to safety standards. The problem is this is the only
Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble
Something that will repel water and not absorb any. Tarps will do fine. Visqueen will do even better if it is durable enough. - Original Message - From: Patrick Nix Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 5:02 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Any other ideas? __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (800) 638-2614 http://www.csweb.net E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 4:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Burlap is a bad idea if you are going to use the system while it is covered Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Patrick Nix Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 14:37:54 To:WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble We are going in the morning to start covering the equipment on the tower for the rehab, the earlier suggestion of burlap is this a good solution for sandblasting and how will it affect signal on 5.8Ghz link? Thanks __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (800) 638-2614 http://www.csweb.net E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ryan Langseth Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 10:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Good to hear it worked out, make sure to inspect all of the cables after they are done, we had a watertower painted last fall and did not check the cables after they were done. While everything still worked, 6 months later we had water leak into one cable and fry the PoE on a backhaul (on a friday night of course). Ryan Patrick Nix Jr. wrote: Well, I just met with the contractors and we were able to reach an agreement, we just have to sign a damage waiver, and be there to move/remove equipment as needed. I am curious about the suggestion to cover equipment with burlap, how if at all does this affect the signal, also they will be putting a Geo-tarp up, will this affect the signal greatly 900Mhz and 5.8Ghz Thanks __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (800) 638-2614 http://www.csweb.net E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 4:46 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Patrick, Been there, doing that now! We were given 1 week notice that a large water tower was going to be sandblasted and painted in a neighboring community. Which really stinks because the city knew this was going to happen 6 months ago. Luckily we found a tower at a local college where we could move our equipment to in the interim. They expected this to be a 3 month project and we are about 2 months into it now. Alternative solutions are slim to none where you are except bringing in a mobile pig. These mobile towers can usually get up to about 100' but will may be cost prohibitive depending on the revenue on that particular tower. I rented 3 of these towers last summer for a school system from a company in Oklahoma. I googled mobile towers and everything kept pointing to one basic company. I was surprised there were not more scattered around the country. Another option might be to contact the cell phone providers in your area and lease a tower from their fleetalthough that may be a challenge in itself. Rick Harnish -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Nix Jr. Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 3:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Watertower trouble
Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble
Different people here... Patrick Nix is the one with the problem. Kurt Fankhauser is the one with 48 hours notice. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Blake Bowers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 4:18 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble An injunction has to have some kind of legal grounds, and he signed a contract that clearly states 48 hours notice. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble If the choice is get the town fathers ruffled or losing your business, I know which direction I would go. An injunction only puts the project on hold to force everyone to come and talk. I have used this method before with good success. I would most certainly have a lawyer ready to contact a judge if you are not getting anywhere. What do you have to lose? - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 3:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Getting legal involved would pretty much guarantee getting booted off the tower completely once your current contract is up. I would talk to them and see what can be worked out by having you work around their crews. Travis Microserv Chuck McCown - 2 wrote: Talk to a judge for an emergency injunction. That is interfering with interstate commerce. - Original Message - From: Patrick Nix Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 1:36 PM Subject: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Got a situation... just received a call from the town's water dep't administrator telling me we have to be off of the tower in 3 days due to maintenance on tower. Evidently there is lead in the tower and a contractor is coming in to sandblast and repaint inside and out of the tower, as well as bring it up to safety standards. The problem is this is the only location available in this area to service approx 150 subs, and we received 3 days notice on a project they have evidently been working on for 4-5 months. Anyway has anyone had to work around similar situations and if so how long does this process normally take... they tell me it could be up to 2 months. By that time there will be no one left that will want service. Any thoughts? __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (800) 638-2614 http://www.csweb.net http://www.csweb.net/ E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http
[WISPA] Watertower trouble
Got a situation... just received a call from the town's water dep't administrator telling me we have to be off of the tower in 3 days due to maintenance on tower. Evidently there is lead in the tower and a contractor is coming in to sandblast and repaint inside and out of the tower, as well as bring it up to safety standards. The problem is this is the only location available in this area to service approx 150 subs, and we received 3 days notice on a project they have evidently been working on for 4-5 months. Anyway has anyone had to work around similar situations and if so how long does this process normally take... they tell me it could be up to 2 months. By that time there will be no one left that will want service. Any thoughts? __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (800) 638-2614 http://www.csweb.net http://www.csweb.net/ E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble
Wrap your equipment in a burlap sack! Recently went through such a situation, but NOT the 3-day notice part. What does your contract state for such work? On 5/21/08 2:36 PM, Patrick Nix Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Got a situation... just received a call from the town's water dep't administrator telling me we have to be off of the tower in 3 days due to maintenance on tower. Evidently there is lead in the tower and a contractor is coming in to sandblast and repaint inside and out of the tower, as well as bring it up to safety standards. The problem is this is the only location available in this area to service approx 150 subs, and we received 3 days notice on a project they have evidently been working on for 4-5 months. Anyway has anyone had to work around similar situations and if so how long does this process normally take... they tell me it could be up to 2 months. By that time there will be no one left that will want service. Any thoughts? __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (800) 638-2614 http://www.csweb.net http://www.csweb.net/ E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Cliff LeBoeuf 985-879-3219 www.cssla.com www.triparish.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble
Sounds like you need to call the water department back and ask for the contractor's name. The contractor may think you are putting out 30 watts of power like a cell provider. If so then this it is standard practice to turn that gear off when people are working near it. Something about radiation and 3 headed children or something silly like that! :) Talk to the contractor and work around and with him/her. You should have no major issues once they realize you are only putting out .5W! You could even pay rent to the contractor for how-ever long it takes to keep your gear online. Good luck! ryan On May 21, 2008, at 12:40 PM, Cliff LeBoeuf wrote: Wrap your equipment in a burlap sack! Recently went through such a situation, but NOT the 3-day notice part. What does your contract state for such work? On 5/21/08 2:36 PM, Patrick Nix Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Got a situation... just received a call from the town's water dep't administrator telling me we have to be off of the tower in 3 days due to maintenance on tower. Evidently there is lead in the tower and a contractor is coming in to sandblast and repaint inside and out of the tower, as well as bring it up to safety standards. The problem is this is the only location available in this area to service approx 150 subs, and we received 3 days notice on a project they have evidently been working on for 4-5 months. Anyway has anyone had to work around similar situations and if so how long does this process normally take... they tell me it could be up to 2 months. By that time there will be no one left that will want service. Any thoughts? __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (800) 638-2614 http://www.csweb.net http://www.csweb.net/ E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e- mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Cliff LeBoeuf 985-879-3219 www.cssla.com www.triparish.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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What does your contract say? Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Patrick Nix Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 2:36 PM Subject: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Got a situation... just received a call from the town's water dep't WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble
We went through a water tower rehab. It took at least a month to blast and paint inside and out. We were able to work with the contractor to shroud our gear when they were working near it. Any chances you could work with them to detach and reattach gear as they work around the tank? The contractor we worked with wasn't concerned with RF, but just wanted to make sure that they had cleaned and repainted every square inch of tower. If you can work it out to stay on there, this is a great time to do any welding you need. Good luck Chris Cooper Intelliwave WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble
Our contract states the city only has to give us 48 hours notice to be off for water tower maintenance. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Nix Jr. Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 3:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Got a situation... just received a call from the town's water dep't administrator telling me we have to be off of the tower in 3 days due to maintenance on tower. Evidently there is lead in the tower and a contractor is coming in to sandblast and repaint inside and out of the tower, as well as bring it up to safety standards. The problem is this is the only location available in this area to service approx 150 subs, and we received 3 days notice on a project they have evidently been working on for 4-5 months. Anyway has anyone had to work around similar situations and if so how long does this process normally take... they tell me it could be up to 2 months. By that time there will be no one left that will want service. Any thoughts? __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (800) 638-2614 http://www.csweb.net http://www.csweb.net/ E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble
Time to revisit your contract IMO... On 5/21/08 3:09 PM, Kurt Fankhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Our contract states the city only has to give us 48 hours notice to be off for water tower maintenance. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Nix Jr. Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 3:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Got a situation... just received a call from the town's water dep't administrator telling me we have to be off of the tower in 3 days due to maintenance on tower. Evidently there is lead in the tower and a contractor is coming in to sandblast and repaint inside and out of the tower, as well as bring it up to safety standards. The problem is this is the only location available in this area to service approx 150 subs, and we received 3 days notice on a project they have evidently been working on for 4-5 months. Anyway has anyone had to work around similar situations and if so how long does this process normally take... they tell me it could be up to 2 months. By that time there will be no one left that will want service. Any thoughts? __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (800) 638-2614 http://www.csweb.net http://www.csweb.net/ E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Cliff LeBoeuf 985-879-3219 www.cssla.com www.triparish.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble
Talk to a judge for an emergency injunction. That is interfering with interstate commerce. - Original Message - From: Patrick Nix Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 1:36 PM Subject: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Got a situation... just received a call from the town's water dep't administrator telling me we have to be off of the tower in 3 days due to maintenance on tower. Evidently there is lead in the tower and a contractor is coming in to sandblast and repaint inside and out of the tower, as well as bring it up to safety standards. The problem is this is the only location available in this area to service approx 150 subs, and we received 3 days notice on a project they have evidently been working on for 4-5 months. Anyway has anyone had to work around similar situations and if so how long does this process normally take... they tell me it could be up to 2 months. By that time there will be no one left that will want service. Any thoughts? __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (800) 638-2614 http://www.csweb.net http://www.csweb.net/ E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble
Getting legal involved would pretty much guarantee getting booted off the tower completely once your current contract is up. I would talk to them and see what can be worked out by having you work "around" their crews. Travis Microserv Chuck McCown - 2 wrote: Talk to a judge for an emergency injunction. That is interfering with interstate commerce. - Original Message - From: "Patrick Nix Jr." [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 1:36 PM Subject: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Got a situation... just received a call from the town's water dep't administrator telling me we have to be off of the tower in 3 days due to maintenance on tower. Evidently there is lead in the tower and a contractor is coming in to sandblast and repaint inside and out of the tower, as well as bring it up to safety standards. The problem is this is the only location available in this area to service approx 150 subs, and we received 3 days notice on a project they have evidently been working on for 4-5 months. Anyway has anyone had to work around similar situations and if so how long does this process normally take... they tell me it could be up to 2 months. By that time there will be no one left that will want service. Any thoughts? __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (800) 638-2614 http://www.csweb.net http://www.csweb.net/ E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble
If the choice is get the town fathers ruffled or losing your business, I know which direction I would go. An injunction only puts the project on hold to force everyone to come and talk. I have used this method before with good success. I would most certainly have a lawyer ready to contact a judge if you are not getting anywhere. What do you have to lose? - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 3:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Getting legal involved would pretty much guarantee getting booted off the tower completely once your current contract is up. I would talk to them and see what can be worked out by having you work around their crews. Travis Microserv Chuck McCown - 2 wrote: Talk to a judge for an emergency injunction. That is interfering with interstate commerce. - Original Message - From: Patrick Nix Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 1:36 PM Subject: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Got a situation... just received a call from the town's water dep't administrator telling me we have to be off of the tower in 3 days due to maintenance on tower. Evidently there is lead in the tower and a contractor is coming in to sandblast and repaint inside and out of the tower, as well as bring it up to safety standards. The problem is this is the only location available in this area to service approx 150 subs, and we received 3 days notice on a project they have evidently been working on for 4-5 months. Anyway has anyone had to work around similar situations and if so how long does this process normally take... they tell me it could be up to 2 months. By that time there will be no one left that will want service. Any thoughts? __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (800) 638-2614 http://www.csweb.net http://www.csweb.net/ E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble
An injunction has to have some kind of legal grounds, and he signed a contract that clearly states 48 hours notice. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble If the choice is get the town fathers ruffled or losing your business, I know which direction I would go. An injunction only puts the project on hold to force everyone to come and talk. I have used this method before with good success. I would most certainly have a lawyer ready to contact a judge if you are not getting anywhere. What do you have to lose? - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 3:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Getting legal involved would pretty much guarantee getting booted off the tower completely once your current contract is up. I would talk to them and see what can be worked out by having you work around their crews. Travis Microserv Chuck McCown - 2 wrote: Talk to a judge for an emergency injunction. That is interfering with interstate commerce. - Original Message - From: Patrick Nix Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 1:36 PM Subject: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Got a situation... just received a call from the town's water dep't administrator telling me we have to be off of the tower in 3 days due to maintenance on tower. Evidently there is lead in the tower and a contractor is coming in to sandblast and repaint inside and out of the tower, as well as bring it up to safety standards. The problem is this is the only location available in this area to service approx 150 subs, and we received 3 days notice on a project they have evidently been working on for 4-5 months. Anyway has anyone had to work around similar situations and if so how long does this process normally take... they tell me it could be up to 2 months. By that time there will be no one left that will want service. Any thoughts? __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (800) 638-2614 http://www.csweb.net http://www.csweb.net/ E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble
The contract they have says the city only has to give them 48 hours... they actually gave 72 hours. A judge is not going to grant an injunction when they followed the contract that both parties agreed upon. Travis Microserv Chuck McCown - 2 wrote: If the choice is get the town fathers ruffled or losing your business, I know which direction I would go. An injunction only puts the project on hold to force everyone to come and talk. I have used this method before with good success. I would most certainly have a lawyer ready to contact a judge if you are not getting anywhere. What do you have to lose? - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 3:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Getting legal involved would pretty much guarantee getting booted off the tower completely once your current contract is up. I would talk to them and see what can be worked out by having you work around their crews. Travis Microserv Chuck McCown - 2 wrote: Talk to a judge for an emergency injunction. That is interfering with interstate commerce. - Original Message - From: Patrick Nix Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 1:36 PM Subject: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Got a situation... just received a call from the town's water dep't administrator telling me we have to be off of the tower in 3 days due to maintenance on tower. Evidently there is lead in the tower and a contractor is coming in to sandblast and repaint inside and out of the tower, as well as bring it up to safety standards. The problem is this is the only location available in this area to service approx 150 subs, and we received 3 days notice on a project they have evidently been working on for 4-5 months. Anyway has anyone had to work around similar situations and if so how long does this process normally take... they tell me it could be up to 2 months. By that time there will be no one left that will want service. Any thoughts? __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (800) 638-2614 http://www.csweb.net http://www.csweb.net/ E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble
That was Kurt, not Patrick, was it not. Are talking the same company here? - Original Message - From: Blake Bowers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble An injunction has to have some kind of legal grounds, and he signed a contract that clearly states 48 hours notice. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble If the choice is get the town fathers ruffled or losing your business, I know which direction I would go. An injunction only puts the project on hold to force everyone to come and talk. I have used this method before with good success. I would most certainly have a lawyer ready to contact a judge if you are not getting anywhere. What do you have to lose? - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 3:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Getting legal involved would pretty much guarantee getting booted off the tower completely once your current contract is up. I would talk to them and see what can be worked out by having you work around their crews. Travis Microserv Chuck McCown - 2 wrote: Talk to a judge for an emergency injunction. That is interfering with interstate commerce. - Original Message - From: Patrick Nix Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 1:36 PM Subject: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Got a situation... just received a call from the town's water dep't administrator telling me we have to be off of the tower in 3 days due to maintenance on tower. Evidently there is lead in the tower and a contractor is coming in to sandblast and repaint inside and out of the tower, as well as bring it up to safety standards. The problem is this is the only location available in this area to service approx 150 subs, and we received 3 days notice on a project they have evidently been working on for 4-5 months. Anyway has anyone had to work around similar situations and if so how long does this process normally take... they tell me it could be up to 2 months. By that time there will be no one left that will want service. Any thoughts? __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (800) 638-2614 http://www.csweb.net http://www.csweb.net/ E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List
Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble
We have gone through similar, but received adequate warning and the town worked very well with us to make sure we could get equipment protected. If they are not willing to work with you maybe contact your subs and get them to call the town letting them know they cannot live without service for a month (or more realistically two). Maybe if they feel the numbers it will help them to work with you. I have used a similar strategy for getting towers approved for locations I have met resistance. Brought along a number of residential/business who are all voting members (that is key) to the meetings stating they wanted our service and that the tower was needed for them to get cost effective access. Good luck and hopefully you can get them to work with you. Larry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 4:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble The contract they have says the city only has to give them 48 hours... they actually gave 72 hours. A judge is not going to grant an injunction when they followed the contract that both parties agreed upon. Travis Microserv Chuck McCown - 2 wrote: If the choice is get the town fathers ruffled or losing your business, I know which direction I would go. An injunction only puts the project on hold to force everyone to come and talk. I have used this method before with good success. I would most certainly have a lawyer ready to contact a judge if you are not getting anywhere. What do you have to lose? - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 3:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Getting legal involved would pretty much guarantee getting booted off the tower completely once your current contract is up. I would talk to them and see what can be worked out by having you work around their crews. Travis Microserv Chuck McCown - 2 wrote: Talk to a judge for an emergency injunction. That is interfering with interstate commerce. - Original Message - From: Patrick Nix Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 1:36 PM Subject: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Got a situation... just received a call from the town's water dep't administrator telling me we have to be off of the tower in 3 days due to maintenance on tower. Evidently there is lead in the tower and a contractor is coming in to sandblast and repaint inside and out of the tower, as well as bring it up to safety standards. The problem is this is the only location available in this area to service approx 150 subs, and we received 3 days notice on a project they have evidently been working on for 4-5 months. Anyway has anyone had to work around similar situations and if so how long does this process normally take... they tell me it could be up to 2 months. By that time there will be no one left that will want service. Any thoughts? __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (800) 638-2614 http://www.csweb.net http://www.csweb.net/ E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble
During the injunction process (in the middle of the night with a very cranky judge in his PJs.) the terms of the contract (that may or may not exist) are never discussed. Only the potential for harm or damages to life or property. If the judge believes that damage or harm may happen, they quite often will grant the injunction. You would be surprised at how quick it gets people to the bargaining table the next morning. - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble The contract they have says the city only has to give them 48 hours... they actually gave 72 hours. A judge is not going to grant an injunction when they followed the contract that both parties agreed upon. Travis Microserv Chuck McCown - 2 wrote: If the choice is get the town fathers ruffled or losing your business, I know which direction I would go. An injunction only puts the project on hold to force everyone to come and talk. I have used this method before with good success. I would most certainly have a lawyer ready to contact a judge if you are not getting anywhere. What do you have to lose? - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 3:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Getting legal involved would pretty much guarantee getting booted off the tower completely once your current contract is up. I would talk to them and see what can be worked out by having you work around their crews. Travis Microserv Chuck McCown - 2 wrote: Talk to a judge for an emergency injunction. That is interfering with interstate commerce. - Original Message - From: Patrick Nix Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 1:36 PM Subject: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Got a situation... just received a call from the town's water dep't administrator telling me we have to be off of the tower in 3 days due to maintenance on tower. Evidently there is lead in the tower and a contractor is coming in to sandblast and repaint inside and out of the tower, as well as bring it up to safety standards. The problem is this is the only location available in this area to service approx 150 subs, and we received 3 days notice on a project they have evidently been working on for 4-5 months. Anyway has anyone had to work around similar situations and if so how long does this process normally take... they tell me it could be up to 2 months. By that time there will be no one left that will want service. Any thoughts? __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (800) 638-2614 http://www.csweb.net http://www.csweb.net/ E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble
I have had more than one occasion like this. If you ask to talk to the tower contractors and city office holders and let them know the effect on your business if you lose the spot they will work with you. People are rational 99.9% of the time when I work with them respectfully and approach them face to face. Some people say my near 300 pound frame helps me in the face to face negotiations though! :-D Scriv On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 4:10 PM, Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Getting legal involved would pretty much guarantee getting booted off the tower completely once your current contract is up. I would talk to them and see what can be worked out by having you work around their crews. Travis Microserv Chuck McCown - 2 wrote: Talk to a judge for an emergency injunction. That is interfering with interstate commerce. - Original Message - From: Patrick Nix Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 1:36 PM Subject: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Got a situation... just received a call from the town's water dep't administrator telling me we have to be off of the tower in 3 days due to maintenance on tower. Evidently there is lead in the tower and a contractor is coming in to sandblast and repaint inside and out of the tower, as well as bring it up to safety standards. The problem is this is the only location available in this area to service approx 150 subs, and we received 3 days notice on a project they have evidently been working on for 4-5 months. Anyway has anyone had to work around similar situations and if so how long does this process normally take... they tell me it could be up to 2 months. By that time there will be no one left that will want service. Any thoughts? __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (800) 638-2614 http://www.csweb.net http://www.csweb.net/ E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble
Chuck McCown Wrote: Talk to a judge for an emergency injunction. That is interfering with interstate commerce. Two issues with this approach... (1) if you are claiming an interstate commerce issue you need to file in Federal Court (2) if you aren't crossing state lines with your signal, then it's unlikely that you could turn this into an interstate commerce issue (you would have to show that your service substantial effecting things that travel in interstate commerce). Besides... the government is going to argue that it's a health safety issue and the police power for health and safety is almost always going to trump any temporary inconvenience to private business. You would probably have better luck negotiating a deal with the city and the city's contractor for shrouding your equipment as suggested by others on this list. Larry Yunker Network Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] P.S. The information contained in this message is informed but is NOT LEGAL ADVISE (YET!) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble
Patrick, Been there, doing that now! We were given 1 week notice that a large water tower was going to be sandblasted and painted in a neighboring community. Which really stinks because the city knew this was going to happen 6 months ago. Luckily we found a tower at a local college where we could move our equipment to in the interim. They expected this to be a 3 month project and we are about 2 months into it now. Alternative solutions are slim to none where you are except bringing in a mobile pig. These mobile towers can usually get up to about 100' but will may be cost prohibitive depending on the revenue on that particular tower. I rented 3 of these towers last summer for a school system from a company in Oklahoma. I googled mobile towers and everything kept pointing to one basic company. I was surprised there were not more scattered around the country. Another option might be to contact the cell phone providers in your area and lease a tower from their fleetalthough that may be a challenge in itself. Rick Harnish -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Nix Jr. Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 3:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Got a situation... just received a call from the town's water dep't administrator telling me we have to be off of the tower in 3 days due to maintenance on tower. Evidently there is lead in the tower and a contractor is coming in to sandblast and repaint inside and out of the tower, as well as bring it up to safety standards. The problem is this is the only location available in this area to service approx 150 subs, and we received 3 days notice on a project they have evidently been working on for 4-5 months. Anyway has anyone had to work around similar situations and if so how long does this process normally take... they tell me it could be up to 2 months. By that time there will be no one left that will want service. Any thoughts? __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (800) 638-2614 http://www.csweb.net http://www.csweb.net/ E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.21/1457 - Release Date: 5/20/2008 4:45 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.21/1457 - Release Date: 5/20/2008 4:45 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble
Be careful here... Most judges will automatically grant an emergency injunction. However, these normally require that you post a bond in the event the injunction was issued in error. Then YOU may be liable for the damages YOU caused by filing the injunction. A temporary restraining order is normally the way to handle this if you decide it is your only choice. However, they take a little longer to get issued and you may not have the luxury of such time. Be careful what you ask for ... You may get it! On 5/21/08 4:29 PM, Chuck McCown - 2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: During the injunction process (in the middle of the night with a very cranky judge in his PJs.) the terms of the contract (that may or may not exist) are never discussed. Only the potential for harm or damages to life or property. If the judge believes that damage or harm may happen, they quite often will grant the injunction. You would be surprised at how quick it gets people to the bargaining table the next morning. - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble The contract they have says the city only has to give them 48 hours... they actually gave 72 hours. A judge is not going to grant an injunction when they followed the contract that both parties agreed upon. Travis Microserv Chuck McCown - 2 wrote: If the choice is get the town fathers ruffled or losing your business, I know which direction I would go. An injunction only puts the project on hold to force everyone to come and talk. I have used this method before with good success. I would most certainly have a lawyer ready to contact a judge if you are not getting anywhere. What do you have to lose? - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 3:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Getting legal involved would pretty much guarantee getting booted off the tower completely once your current contract is up. I would talk to them and see what can be worked out by having you work around their crews. Travis Microserv Chuck McCown - 2 wrote: Talk to a judge for an emergency injunction. That is interfering with interstate commerce. - Original Message - From: Patrick Nix Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 1:36 PM Subject: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Got a situation... just received a call from the town's water dep't administrator telling me we have to be off of the tower in 3 days due to maintenance on tower. Evidently there is lead in the tower and a contractor is coming in to sandblast and repaint inside and out of the tower, as well as bring it up to safety standards. The problem is this is the only location available in this area to service approx 150 subs, and we received 3 days notice on a project they have evidently been working on for 4-5 months. Anyway has anyone had to work around similar situations and if so how long does this process normally take... they tell me it could be up to 2 months. By that time there will be no one left that will want service. Any thoughts? __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (800) 638-2614 http://www.csweb.net http://www.csweb.net/ E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble
Nope, telecommunications are defacto interstate, especially internet and in general anything that the FCC regulates. The FCC had declared all internet communications as interstate in nature and they have successfully kept the jurisdiction over such cases. Federal judges are easy to find. And obtaining an emergency injunction is frequently done on unilateral argument. The town's opinion would not even be asked. If possible you totally blindside them. I am only suggesting, that if I am out of time and faced with losing the business, I would try to force a negotiation as a last gasp effort. You have nothing to lose if you are going to have to shut it off anyway. If the town fathers say get off without any concern as to keeping you in business, an injunction might buy you enough time to get on some other site. I always try to have plan A, B C in cases like this. Say what you want but I have done this in the past. - Original Message - From: Larry Yunker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 3:43 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Chuck McCown Wrote: Talk to a judge for an emergency injunction. That is interfering with interstate commerce. Two issues with this approach... (1) if you are claiming an interstate commerce issue you need to file in Federal Court (2) if you aren't crossing state lines with your signal, then it's unlikely that you could turn this into an interstate commerce issue (you would have to show that your service substantial effecting things that travel in interstate commerce). Besides... the government is going to argue that it's a health safety issue and the police power for health and safety is almost always going to trump any temporary inconvenience to private business. You would probably have better luck negotiating a deal with the city and the city's contractor for shrouding your equipment as suggested by others on this list. Larry Yunker Network Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] P.S. The information contained in this message is informed but is NOT LEGAL ADVISE (YET!) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble
Well, I just met with the contractors and we were able to reach an agreement, we just have to sign a damage waiver, and be there to move/remove equipment as needed. I am curious about the suggestion to cover equipment with burlap, how if at all does this affect the signal, also they will be putting a Geo-tarp up, will this affect the signal greatly 900Mhz and 5.8Ghz Thanks __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (800) 638-2614 http://www.csweb.net E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 4:46 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Patrick, Been there, doing that now! We were given 1 week notice that a large water tower was going to be sandblasted and painted in a neighboring community. Which really stinks because the city knew this was going to happen 6 months ago. Luckily we found a tower at a local college where we could move our equipment to in the interim. They expected this to be a 3 month project and we are about 2 months into it now. Alternative solutions are slim to none where you are except bringing in a mobile pig. These mobile towers can usually get up to about 100' but will may be cost prohibitive depending on the revenue on that particular tower. I rented 3 of these towers last summer for a school system from a company in Oklahoma. I googled mobile towers and everything kept pointing to one basic company. I was surprised there were not more scattered around the country. Another option might be to contact the cell phone providers in your area and lease a tower from their fleetalthough that may be a challenge in itself. Rick Harnish -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Nix Jr. Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 3:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Got a situation... just received a call from the town's water dep't administrator telling me we have to be off of the tower in 3 days due to maintenance on tower. Evidently there is lead in the tower and a contractor is coming in to sandblast and repaint inside and out of the tower, as well as bring it up to safety standards. The problem is this is the only location available in this area to service approx 150 subs, and we received 3 days notice on a project they have evidently been working on for 4-5 months. Anyway has anyone had to work around similar situations and if so how long does this process normally take... they tell me it could be up to 2 months. By that time there will be no one left that will want service. Any thoughts? __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (800) 638-2614 http://www.csweb.net http://www.csweb.net/ E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.21/1457 - Release Date: 5/20/2008 4:45 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.21/1457 - Release Date: 5/20/2008 4:45 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http
Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble
Dang, hate happy endings...! - Original Message - From: Patrick Nix Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Well, I just met with the contractors and we were able to reach an agreement, we just have to sign a damage waiver, and be there to move/remove equipment as needed. I am curious about the suggestion to cover equipment with burlap, how if at all does this affect the signal, also they will be putting a Geo-tarp up, will this affect the signal greatly 900Mhz and 5.8Ghz Thanks __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (800) 638-2614 http://www.csweb.net E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 4:46 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Patrick, Been there, doing that now! We were given 1 week notice that a large water tower was going to be sandblasted and painted in a neighboring community. Which really stinks because the city knew this was going to happen 6 months ago. Luckily we found a tower at a local college where we could move our equipment to in the interim. They expected this to be a 3 month project and we are about 2 months into it now. Alternative solutions are slim to none where you are except bringing in a mobile pig. These mobile towers can usually get up to about 100' but will may be cost prohibitive depending on the revenue on that particular tower. I rented 3 of these towers last summer for a school system from a company in Oklahoma. I googled mobile towers and everything kept pointing to one basic company. I was surprised there were not more scattered around the country. Another option might be to contact the cell phone providers in your area and lease a tower from their fleetalthough that may be a challenge in itself. Rick Harnish -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Nix Jr. Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 3:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Got a situation... just received a call from the town's water dep't administrator telling me we have to be off of the tower in 3 days due to maintenance on tower. Evidently there is lead in the tower and a contractor is coming in to sandblast and repaint inside and out of the tower, as well as bring it up to safety standards. The problem is this is the only location available in this area to service approx 150 subs, and we received 3 days notice on a project they have evidently been working on for 4-5 months. Anyway has anyone had to work around similar situations and if so how long does this process normally take... they tell me it could be up to 2 months. By that time there will be no one left that will want service. Any thoughts? __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (800) 638-2614 http://www.csweb.net http://www.csweb.net/ E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.21/1457 - Release Date: 5/20/2008 4:45 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.21/1457 - Release Date: 5/20/2008 4:45 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble
Yes, I had to post $5000 in one case. But at 8:00 am the next morning all parties were around the table and we had a solution by 9. - Original Message - From: Cliff LeBoeuf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 4:00 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Be careful here... Most judges will automatically grant an emergency injunction. However, these normally require that you post a bond in the event the injunction was issued in error. Then YOU may be liable for the damages YOU caused by filing the injunction. A temporary restraining order is normally the way to handle this if you decide it is your only choice. However, they take a little longer to get issued and you may not have the luxury of such time. Be careful what you ask for ... You may get it! On 5/21/08 4:29 PM, Chuck McCown - 2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: During the injunction process (in the middle of the night with a very cranky judge in his PJs.) the terms of the contract (that may or may not exist) are never discussed. Only the potential for harm or damages to life or property. If the judge believes that damage or harm may happen, they quite often will grant the injunction. You would be surprised at how quick it gets people to the bargaining table the next morning. - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble The contract they have says the city only has to give them 48 hours... they actually gave 72 hours. A judge is not going to grant an injunction when they followed the contract that both parties agreed upon. Travis Microserv Chuck McCown - 2 wrote: If the choice is get the town fathers ruffled or losing your business, I know which direction I would go. An injunction only puts the project on hold to force everyone to come and talk. I have used this method before with good success. I would most certainly have a lawyer ready to contact a judge if you are not getting anywhere. What do you have to lose? - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 3:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Getting legal involved would pretty much guarantee getting booted off the tower completely once your current contract is up. I would talk to them and see what can be worked out by having you work around their crews. Travis Microserv Chuck McCown - 2 wrote: Talk to a judge for an emergency injunction. That is interfering with interstate commerce. - Original Message - From: Patrick Nix Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 1:36 PM Subject: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Got a situation... just received a call from the town's water dep't administrator telling me we have to be off of the tower in 3 days due to maintenance on tower. Evidently there is lead in the tower and a contractor is coming in to sandblast and repaint inside and out of the tower, as well as bring it up to safety standards. The problem is this is the only location available in this area to service approx 150 subs, and we received 3 days notice on a project they have evidently been working on for 4-5 months. Anyway has anyone had to work around similar situations and if so how long does this process normally take... they tell me it could be up to 2 months. By that time there will be no one left that will want service. Any thoughts? __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (800) 638-2614 http://www.csweb.net http://www.csweb.net/ E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble
Patrick Nix Jr. wrote: Well, I just met with the contractors and we were able to reach an agreement, we just have to sign a damage waiver, and be there to move/remove equipment as needed. I am curious about the suggestion to cover equipment with burlap, how if at all does this affect the signal, also they will be putting a Geo-tarp up, will this affect the signal greatly 900Mhz and 5.8Ghz Thanks I would assume the lead from the paint may have some degragating effect on your rissi. But fortunatly, you are still in biz. Congradts. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2 Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 5:56 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Nope, telecommunications are defacto interstate, especially internet and in general anything that the FCC regulates. The FCC had declared all internet communications as interstate in nature and they have successfully kept the jurisdiction over such cases. - Yep, you are right, internet service as a form of telecommunications is interstate, but provisioning may still be controlled under local (state) law and contract-law is definitely a state law issue. Federal judges are easy to find. And obtaining an emergency injunction is frequently done on unilateral argument. The town's opinion would not even be asked. If possible you totally blindside them. - As a last resort, you could ask for a TRO (temporary restraining order) to stop the municipality from kicking you off, but keep in mind that police power is given great deference. If the muni can show that there is a chance that delaying the sandblasting will put even one person's health at risk, the judge should revoke the TRO immediately and the muni will likely be pissed at you for having put them through the hassle of going to court. My 2 cents worth - try to negotiate FIRST and resort to the courts LAST. - Larry WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble
I'd start with explaining that to whoever will listen. Hopefully the manager will, if not the mayor. If they are working on the INSIDE of the tank, you should be ok outside. Offer to work closely with the contractor so that you can move cables from one side to the other as need be. Let us know what you end up with. marlon - Original Message - From: Patrick Nix Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 12:36 PM Subject: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Got a situation... just received a call from the town's water dep't administrator telling me we have to be off of the tower in 3 days due to maintenance on tower. Evidently there is lead in the tower and a contractor is coming in to sandblast and repaint inside and out of the tower, as well as bring it up to safety standards. The problem is this is the only location available in this area to service approx 150 subs, and we received 3 days notice on a project they have evidently been working on for 4-5 months. Anyway has anyone had to work around similar situations and if so how long does this process normally take... they tell me it could be up to 2 months. By that time there will be no one left that will want service. Any thoughts? __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (800) 638-2614 http://www.csweb.net http://www.csweb.net/ E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble
Off or turned off? There's a BIG difference. marlon - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Our contract states the city only has to give us 48 hours notice to be off for water tower maintenance. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Nix Jr. Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 3:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Got a situation... just received a call from the town's water dep't administrator telling me we have to be off of the tower in 3 days due to maintenance on tower. Evidently there is lead in the tower and a contractor is coming in to sandblast and repaint inside and out of the tower, as well as bring it up to safety standards. The problem is this is the only location available in this area to service approx 150 subs, and we received 3 days notice on a project they have evidently been working on for 4-5 months. Anyway has anyone had to work around similar situations and if so how long does this process normally take... they tell me it could be up to 2 months. By that time there will be no one left that will want service. Any thoughts? __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (800) 638-2614 http://www.csweb.net http://www.csweb.net/ E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
