Re: [WISPA] wind jammer communications
Ok here is the current situation. I spoke with my pole rep at the electric company and he had no idea that they ceased operations. He is not aware there is any problem with payment on the pole agreements. How he was very interested in avoiding another situation from another cable company that went belly up and left fiber. He said if they, windjammer, give the ok they will allow us to take over the pole attachments eagerly. Now that leads to my big question. If we can take over the existing cable they have, can we use it? Would we have to replace it with something else? I dont think we will get access to where the headend was but only existing cable in the area we are looking to run fiber in. Can we manage to leverage what they got in place and tie it back to our stuff? Thanks, John - Original Message - From: Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 1:29:57 AM GMT -05:00 Columbia Subject: Re: [WISPA] wind jammer communications Same sort of situation we ran into. The selling company only owned them a fairly short period of time, and they did not bring them current on their attachment fees from the company before. Not to say that is the case with Windjammer, just it is the case with others. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: sa...@michianawireless.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] wind jammer communications The thing with windjammer is they are still in business and still serving areas. It was only eary in the year decided they would not be upgrading the rural areas to handle the dtv transition. So the dead areas have only been dead for 6 months or so. There should be no back rent on the poles etc... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John Buwa Michiana Wireless Phone: 574-233-7170 http://www.michianawireless.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] wind jammer communications
Ok here is the current situation. I spoke with my pole rep at the electric company and he had no idea that they ceased opporations. He is not aware there is any problem with payment on the pole agreements. How he was very interested in avoiding another situation from another cable company that went belly up and left fiber. He said if they, windjammer, give the ok they will allow us to take over the pole attachments eagerly. Now that leads to my big question. If we can take over the existing cable they have, can we use it? Would we have to replace it with something else? I dont think we will get access to where the headend was but only existing cable in the area we are looking to run fiber in. Can we manage to leverage what they got in place and tie it back to our stuff? Thanks, John - Original Message - From: jree...@18-30chat.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 10:07:38 PM GMT -05:00 Columbia Subject: Re: [WISPA] wind jammer communications My experience is pretty much the same. I tried to buy a dozen sites and they ripped the cable out making them worthless. I did not even need/want the amps/splitters and such, just the coax on the poles. Blake Bowers wrote: We have bought a number of rural cable systems, and almost every one was gutted, and the cable plant in almost total disarray when sold. It is certainly worth a call - but the attachment fees we found being charged, (And often not paid for the past couple of years, leaving an electric company trying to get paid from whoever purchased it) were for the most part outrageous. You may have better luck. http://www.windjammercable.com Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: sa...@michianawireless.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 3:07 PM Subject: [WISPA] wind jammer communications During our pole route scouting a route that we submitted to the electric company came back listing windjammer as being on the poles we are wanting to get on in a rural area. I looked and it seems windjammer ceased providing services in these and alot of other rural areas at the time of the digital transition. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John Buwa Michiana Wireless Phone: 574-233-7170 http://www.michianawireless.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] wind jammer communications
Depends on what you want to do with the cable, condition of the cable, etc. I did some tests with coaxial ethernet and were very impressed. Now only I could have got the local plants that went down for some larger scale testing. sa...@michianawireless.com wrote: Ok here is the current situation. I spoke with my pole rep at the electric company and he had no idea that they ceased operations. He is not aware there is any problem with payment on the pole agreements. How he was very interested in avoiding another situation from another cable company that went belly up and left fiber. He said if they, windjammer, give the ok they will allow us to take over the pole attachments eagerly. Now that leads to my big question. If we can take over the existing cable they have, can we use it? Would we have to replace it with something else? I dont think we will get access to where the headend was but only existing cable in the area we are looking to run fiber in. Can we manage to leverage what they got in place and tie it back to our stuff? Thanks, John - Original Message - From: Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 1:29:57 AM GMT -05:00 Columbia Subject: Re: [WISPA] wind jammer communications Same sort of situation we ran into. The selling company only owned them a fairly short period of time, and they did not bring them current on their attachment fees from the company before. Not to say that is the case with Windjammer, just it is the case with others. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: sa...@michianawireless.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] wind jammer communications The thing with windjammer is they are still in business and still serving areas. It was only eary in the year decided they would not be upgrading the rural areas to handle the dtv transition. So the dead areas have only been dead for 6 months or so. There should be no back rent on the poles etc... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] wind jammer communications
Same sort of situation we ran into. The selling company only owned them a fairly short period of time, and they did not bring them current on their attachment fees from the company before. Not to say that is the case with Windjammer, just it is the case with others. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: sa...@michianawireless.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] wind jammer communications The thing with windjammer is they are still in business and still serving areas. It was only eary in the year decided they would not be upgrading the rural areas to handle the dtv transition. So the dead areas have only been dead for 6 months or so. There should be no back rent on the poles etc... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] wind jammer communications
The thing with windjammer is they are still in business and still serving areas. It was only eary in the year decided they would not be upgrading the rural areas to handle the dtv transition. So the dead areas have only been dead for 6 months or so. There should be no back rent on the poles etc... John - Original Message - From: jree...@18-30chat.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 10:07:38 PM GMT -05:00 Columbia Subject: Re: [WISPA] wind jammer communications My experience is pretty much the same. I tried to buy a dozen sites and they ripped the cable out making them worthless. I did not even need/want the amps/splitters and such, just the coax on the poles. Blake Bowers wrote: We have bought a number of rural cable systems, and almost every one was gutted, and the cable plant in almost total disarray when sold. It is certainly worth a call - but the attachment fees we found being charged, (And often not paid for the past couple of years, leaving an electric company trying to get paid from whoever purchased it) were for the most part outrageous. You may have better luck. http://www.windjammercable.com Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: sa...@michianawireless.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 3:07 PM Subject: [WISPA] wind jammer communications During our pole route scouting a route that we submitted to the electric company came back listing windjammer as being on the poles we are wanting to get on in a rural area. I looked and it seems windjammer ceased providing services in these and alot of other rural areas at the time of the digital transition. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John Buwa Michiana Wireless Phone: 574-233-7170 http://www.michianawireless.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] wind jammer communications
During our pole route scouting a route that we submitted to the electric company came back listing windjammer as being on the poles we are wanting to get on in a rural area. I looked and it seems windjammer ceased providing services in these and alot of other rural areas at the time of the digital transition. Does anyone know if it would be of any worth to see about acquiring windjammers existing infrastructure in the rural areas that they stopped using? Anyone actively doing this? I am not sure if it would be worth pursuing but seeing that the infrastructure is in place already, just a wild idea. John WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] wind jammer communications
We have bought a number of rural cable systems, and almost every one was gutted, and the cable plant in almost total disarray when sold. It is certainly worth a call - but the attachment fees we found being charged, (And often not paid for the past couple of years, leaving an electric company trying to get paid from whoever purchased it) were for the most part outrageous. You may have better luck. http://www.windjammercable.com Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: sa...@michianawireless.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 3:07 PM Subject: [WISPA] wind jammer communications During our pole route scouting a route that we submitted to the electric company came back listing windjammer as being on the poles we are wanting to get on in a rural area. I looked and it seems windjammer ceased providing services in these and alot of other rural areas at the time of the digital transition. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] wind jammer communications
We worked a deal out with the powercompany for back pole fees. It was hard because our power company is a public entity and there cannot be a discount because it would be a 'gift of public funds' to do so. if your pole owners are a private entity, then negotiations should be a little more fruit-full. ryan On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: We have bought a number of rural cable systems, and almost every one was gutted, and the cable plant in almost total disarray when sold. It is certainly worth a call - but the attachment fees we found being charged, (And often not paid for the past couple of years, leaving an electric company trying to get paid from whoever purchased it) were for the most part outrageous. You may have better luck. http://www.windjammercable.com Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: sa...@michianawireless.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 3:07 PM Subject: [WISPA] wind jammer communications During our pole route scouting a route that we submitted to the electric company came back listing windjammer as being on the poles we are wanting to get on in a rural area. I looked and it seems windjammer ceased providing services in these and alot of other rural areas at the time of the digital transition. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] wind jammer communications
So was your deal with the power company based on wind jammer infrastructure? Can you tell more about this deal? Did you use existing copper or replace with fiber or go hybrid? Off list if you prefer. The owners of the poles is the electric company. Thanks for any insight! John We worked a deal out with the powercompany for back pole fees. It was hard because our power company is a public entity and there cannot be a discount because it would be a 'gift of public funds' to do so. if your pole owners are a private entity, then negotiations should be a little more fruit-full. ryan On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: We have bought a number of rural cable systems, and almost every one was gutted, and the cable plant in almost total disarray when sold. It is certainly worth a call - but the attachment fees we found being charged, (And often not paid for the past couple of years, leaving an electric company trying to get paid from whoever purchased it) were for the most part outrageous. You may have better luck. http://www.windjammercable.com Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: sa...@michianawireless.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 3:07 PM Subject: [WISPA] wind jammer communications During our pole route scouting a route that we submitted to the electric company came back listing windjammer as being on the poles we are wanting to get on in a rural area. I looked and it seems windjammer ceased providing services in these and alot of other rural areas at the time of the digital transition. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John Buwa Michiana Wireless Phone: 574-233-7170 http://www.michianawireless.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] wind jammer communications
We took over the tower, scrapped what was left in the head end, and turned the cable on the poles over to a company that scrapped the cable. The electric companies really had no dog with us in the end - we acquired the assets of the companies, not the companies. We only bought them for the head end towers. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: sa...@michianawireless.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 3:24 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] wind jammer communications So was your deal with the power company based on wind jammer infrastructure? Can you tell more about this deal? Did you use existing copper or replace with fiber or go hybrid? Off list if you prefer. The owners of the poles is the electric company. Thanks for any insight! John We worked a deal out with the powercompany for back pole fees. It was hard because our power company is a public entity and there cannot be a discount because it would be a 'gift of public funds' to do so. if your pole owners are a private entity, then negotiations should be a little more fruit-full. ryan On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: We have bought a number of rural cable systems, and almost every one was gutted, and the cable plant in almost total disarray when sold. It is certainly worth a call - but the attachment fees we found being charged, (And often not paid for the past couple of years, leaving an electric company trying to get paid from whoever purchased it) were for the most part outrageous. You may have better luck. http://www.windjammercable.com Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: sa...@michianawireless.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 3:07 PM Subject: [WISPA] wind jammer communications During our pole route scouting a route that we submitted to the electric company came back listing windjammer as being on the poles we are wanting to get on in a rural area. I looked and it seems windjammer ceased providing services in these and alot of other rural areas at the time of the digital transition. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John Buwa Michiana Wireless Phone: 574-233-7170 http://www.michianawireless.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
