RE: [WISPA] - Hello Group! - Can we talk towers?
Dave, Not to rain on your parade but the cost of a Wireless tower should be around $5,000-$10,000, the cost of a Cell qualified tower $50,000 to $100,000 by the time you are finished. Engineering is the biggest costs, foundations, wind loading, lighting, etc. etc. Then you might get $2000 a month tops but I'm seeing more cell leases in the $1000 range which offers an awfully long ROI in return for a lot of money up front. Oh and don't forget the required communications hut they will require (they won't want your building) that piles it on. In your case it sounds like the FAA might want to get involved which means a public comment period and a whole lot of paperwork. I chose to put up a 100 foot monopole, or I should say I have one laying on the ground waiting for the year's worth of permits and the excavation of an inverted T frame concrete foundation that was engineered 15 feet deep. To think how much of this over $100K NOC I built that could have expanded my customer base with $700 wood poles and lots of AP's and CPE actually returning my income. I know I'm not answering your question but all I'm saying is if you haven't gotten too far into this process it's a tall order and essentially a new business. Forbes Mercy President - Washington Broadband, Inc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Brenton Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 11:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] - Hello Group! - Can we talk towers? Hello WISPA! It's great to be aboard. I have several questions about towers, but I'm going to try to hold it to TWO, starting out. 1) Does anyone on the list have experience with the FCC/FAA maze? Our Network Operations Center will be at the base of an as-yet-to-be-constructed 300 foot Commercial Grade Communications Tower. In attempting to get the FCC/FAA Permit(s) to place this tower I've run into a Catch-22, or so it would seem. The FAA Forms want an FCC Registration Number, and of course the FCC Forms want an FAA Registration Number. So. Who's on first? I've searched and searched and cannot find a step-by-step or flowchart explaining the procedure to get the permit process started, let alone completed. Anyone with some experience with this matter will be a hero forever with me. BTW to avoid the questions I explain right now that - - NO we don't NEED a 300 Footer for our wireless coverage, but... I live in the middle of Cell-Hell and I'm willing to speculate the one or more of the Cell Providers in this area will Co-Locate once an actual structure is in place. Also the extra altitude will make if practical to Back-Haul bandwidth for many-many miles thus reducing our wire-line costs to a minimum. 2) Who's brands of towers are ya'll using? I need some guidance for smaller towers 100-150 ft range, self supporting and guyed. I have heard of some brands, but I also have concerns about Wind Tolerance, since we are in an area that does produce tornados from time to time. I'd prefer to spend the money on a product that will hold up and I'm not uncomfortable Climbing, IF I Must. That's plenty for a first go. Thanks loads, Dave Brenton General Manager Rural Tennessee Wireless Broadband Bringing FAST Internet to the rest of us (sm) Dover TN (931) 232-0914 office (931) 627-1142 cell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.411 / Virus Database: 268.17.28/672 - Release Date: 2/6/2007 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.411 / Virus Database: 268.17.28/672 - Release Date: 2/6/2007 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] - Hello Group! - Can we talk towers?
https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaaEXT/portal.jsp Will get you going for the FAA airspace determination. That is your first step. - Original Message - From: Dave Brenton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 1:30 PM Subject: [WISPA] - Hello Group! - Can we talk towers? Hello WISPA! It's great to be aboard. I have several questions about towers, but I'm going to try to hold it to TWO, starting out. 1) Does anyone on the list have experience with the FCC/FAA maze? Our Network Operations Center will be at the base of an as-yet-to-be-constructed 300 foot Commercial Grade Communications Tower. In attempting to get the FCC/FAA Permit(s) to place this tower I've run into a Catch-22, or so it would seem. The FAA Forms want an FCC Registration Number, and of course the FCC Forms want an FAA Registration Number. So. Who's on first? I've searched and searched and cannot find a step-by-step or flowchart explaining the procedure to get the permit process started, let alone completed. Anyone with some experience with this matter will be a hero forever with me. BTW to avoid the questions I explain right now that - - NO we don't NEED a 300 Footer for our wireless coverage, but... I live in the middle of Cell-Hell and I'm willing to speculate the one or more of the Cell Providers in this area will Co-Locate once an actual structure is in place. Also the extra altitude will make if practical to Back-Haul bandwidth for many-many miles thus reducing our wire-line costs to a minimum. 2) Who's brands of towers are ya'll using? I need some guidance for smaller towers 100-150 ft range, self supporting and guyed. I have heard of some brands, but I also have concerns about Wind Tolerance, since we are in an area that does produce tornados from time to time. I'd prefer to spend the money on a product that will hold up and I'm not uncomfortable Climbing, IF I Must. That's plenty for a first go. Thanks loads, Dave Brenton General Manager Rural Tennessee Wireless Broadband Bringing FAST Internet to the rest of us (sm) Dover TN (931) 232-0914 office (931) 627-1142 cell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] - Hello Group! - Can we talk towers?
1. I know an engineer who may be able to help you on this one. Knows FAA personnel if I recall correctly from when he helped us with out antenna. He's a certified engineer in NYS, AFAIK, but also does work in CT, VT, FL. 2. Same engineer, had us install a solid-rod Pyrod tower. He designed the whole thing with the tower crew he uses for everything. It was guyed. If this helps I can arrange for him to consult with you. OFF-list for rates, etc. Thanks. Mario Dave Brenton wrote: Hello WISPA! It's great to be aboard. I have several questions about towers, but I'm going to try to hold it to TWO, starting out. 1) Does anyone on the list have experience with the FCC/FAA maze? Our Network Operations Center will be at the base of an as-yet-to-be-constructed 300 foot Commercial Grade Communications Tower. In attempting to get the FCC/FAA Permit(s) to place this tower I've run into a Catch-22, or so it would seem. The FAA Forms want an FCC Registration Number, and of course the FCC Forms want an FAA Registration Number. So. Who's on first? I've searched and searched and cannot find a step-by-step or flowchart explaining the procedure to get the permit process started, let alone completed. Anyone with some experience with this matter will be a hero forever with me. BTW to avoid the questions I explain right now that - - NO we don't NEED a 300 Footer for our wireless coverage, but... I live in the middle of Cell-Hell and I'm willing to speculate the one or more of the Cell Providers in this area will Co-Locate once an actual structure is in place. Also the extra altitude will make if practical to Back-Haul bandwidth for many-many miles thus reducing our wire-line costs to a minimum. 2) Who's brands of towers are ya'll using? I need some guidance for smaller towers 100-150 ft range, self supporting and guyed. I have heard of some brands, but I also have concerns about Wind Tolerance, since we are in an area that does produce tornados from time to time. I'd prefer to spend the money on a product that will hold up and I'm not uncomfortable Climbing, IF I Must. That's plenty for a first go. Thanks loads, Dave Brenton General Manager Rural Tennessee Wireless Broadband Bringing FAST Internet to the rest of us (sm) Dover TN (931) 232-0914 office (931) 627-1142 cell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
