RE: [WISPA] Anyone in the NJ area that knows Canopy ?
For ? Going to Moto ? Beginning to believe that... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 8:04 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone in the NJ area that knows Canopy ? Serve's ya right! :-P -B- Rick Smith wrote: Wanna have lunch ? I'll take ya on a tour of my network. I'd like to have someone else come take a look at the stuff I'm pullin my hair out on with Canopy. All I get from Tech Support is We don't support NLOS at 8 miles WELLL... I can SEE the tower... I've got 99% LOS No connection... For these lists, A little history: I've got a tower in northern NJ, canopy AP / omni installed at top, 200'. Nothing obstructing. Running on 918mhz. Veritcal omni from pac wireless - od9-11. Pretty clear survey (very little noise) At 8 miles out, is my father's house, and a tower we're renting space on soon. (Big ole ATT monster). I cannot, for the LIFE of me, get a successful connection to either of those places, with a canopy SM and 15dbi yagi. Very little noise at the SM end, as well. I've been around and around with canopy techs, and all they keep claiming is Oh, this is near / non line of sight ? Forget it. We're not allowed to waste our time on that because it's not supported I've been a long time Trango user, and a connection like this in Trango experience is a SLAM dunk.When saying that to canopy techs, I get we're not allowed to comment on third party gear and I reply I'm not asking you to, I'm asking you to explain why CANOPY gear sucks this bad! hehe. Is trango just that much better at dealing with fresnel incursion, or trees, or whatever ? When canopy techs are asked why I can't get a connection at 8 miles through 2 saplings, they say because NLOS situations are test and see situations. Some will work and some won't. OK, I can see that... But which WILL if these don't? Anyhow, just wonderin if there's someone with canopy experience in my area that I could buy lunch / dinner... R -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.1/207 - Release Date: 12/19/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.1/207 - Release Date: 12/19/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Anyone in the NJ area that knows Canopy ?
That should be working. I know of several people doing this without a hitch on 900. You definately have an issue (unless you have a different deffinition of sapling than I have! :-) I assume you already swapped subscribers??? Rick Smith wrote: For ? Going to Moto ? Beginning to believe that... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 8:04 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone in the NJ area that knows Canopy ? Serve's ya right! :-P -B- Rick Smith wrote: Wanna have lunch ? I'll take ya on a tour of my network. I'd like to have someone else come take a look at the stuff I'm pullin my hair out on with Canopy. All I get from Tech Support is We don't support NLOS at 8 miles WELLL... I can SEE the tower... I've got 99% LOS No connection... For these lists, A little history: I've got a tower in northern NJ, canopy AP / omni installed at top, 200'. Nothing obstructing. Running on 918mhz. Veritcal omni from pac wireless - od9-11. Pretty clear survey (very little noise) At 8 miles out, is my father's house, and a tower we're renting space on soon. (Big ole ATT monster). I cannot, for the LIFE of me, get a successful connection to either of those places, with a canopy SM and 15dbi yagi. Very little noise at the SM end, as well. I've been around and around with canopy techs, and all they keep claiming is Oh, this is near / non line of sight ? Forget it. We're not allowed to waste our time on that because it's not supported I've been a long time Trango user, and a connection like this in Trango experience is a SLAM dunk.When saying that to canopy techs, I get we're not allowed to comment on third party gear and I reply I'm not asking you to, I'm asking you to explain why CANOPY gear sucks this bad! hehe. Is trango just that much better at dealing with fresnel incursion, or trees, or whatever ? When canopy techs are asked why I can't get a connection at 8 miles through 2 saplings, they say because NLOS situations are test and see situations. Some will work and some won't. OK, I can see that... But which WILL if these don't? Anyhow, just wonderin if there's someone with canopy experience in my area that I could buy lunch / dinner... R -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.1/207 - Release Date: 12/19/2005 -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Anyone in the NJ area that knows Canopy ?
Now there's a coupla good points...thanks Rich... Swapping out the AP or Omni would be costly, so that's a last resort unfortunately. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of rcomroe Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 10:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone in the NJ area that knows Canopy ? Your problem could well be multipath. Canopy can be picky in that even with good signal if either end is suffering a high reflectivity environment (multiple paths entering the antenna) you can forget it ... no link. Your problem might be that that you're using an omni on your AP. An omni has no rejection of reflected signals coming in from other directions. You say its 200 ft up, but are there tall buildings around? The path between the SM and AP might be clear, but if there's a reflective object behind thte AP or to one side it could cause no link because the Canopy AP is on an omni. Canopy can only use an omni in a reflectivity free environment. This is pretty much a Canopy specific limitation. Canopy's designed for directive antennas on both sides to shield out reflections. Use of an omni is limited to only suitable environments. On the SM side, it could be a strong ground reflection. While you're obviously pointing your SM yagi directly back at the AP, have you tried tilting it up vertically (point above the AP, not directly at it). If you get linked by pointing the SM above the AP you might be fighting a strong ground reflection near the SM. If you're fighting signal quality degradation from a couple trees on the SM side, try moving around. Rich - Original Message - From: Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 7:28 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Anyone in the NJ area that knows Canopy ? Oh yeah... Been through 4 SM's and even an AP that I converted to a SM... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 8:18 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone in the NJ area that knows Canopy ? That should be working. I know of several people doing this without a hitch on 900. You definately have an issue (unless you have a different deffinition of sapling than I have! :-) I assume you already swapped subscribers??? Rick Smith wrote: For ? Going to Moto ? Beginning to believe that... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 8:04 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone in the NJ area that knows Canopy ? Serve's ya right! :-P -B- Rick Smith wrote: Wanna have lunch ? I'll take ya on a tour of my network. I'd like to have someone else come take a look at the stuff I'm pullin my hair out on with Canopy. All I get from Tech Support is We don't support NLOS at 8 miles WELLL... I can SEE the tower... I've got 99% LOS No connection... For these lists, A little history: I've got a tower in northern NJ, canopy AP / omni installed at top, 200'. Nothing obstructing. Running on 918mhz. Veritcal omni from pac wireless - od9-11. Pretty clear survey (very little noise) At 8 miles out, is my father's house, and a tower we're renting space on soon. (Big ole ATT monster). I cannot, for the LIFE of me, get a successful connection to either of those places, with a canopy SM and 15dbi yagi. Very little noise at the SM end, as well. I've been around and around with canopy techs, and all they keep claiming is Oh, this is near / non line of sight ? Forget it. We're not allowed to waste our time on that because it's not supported I've been a long time Trango user, and a connection like this in Trango experience is a SLAM dunk.When saying that to canopy techs, I get we're not allowed to comment on third party gear and I reply I'm not asking you to, I'm asking you to explain why CANOPY gear sucks this bad! hehe. Is trango just that much better at dealing with fresnel incursion, or trees, or whatever ? When canopy techs are asked why I can't get a connection at 8 miles through 2 saplings, they say because NLOS situations are test and see situations. Some will work and some won't. OK, I can see that... But which WILL if these don't? Anyhow, just wonderin if there's someone with canopy experience in my area that I could buy lunch / dinner... R -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version
