Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex
I was just going to provide a link to the whole list of them, but I couldn't get the web site to return anything for their FCC ID. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 4:36 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex SR4 certification grant https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/tcb/reports/Tcb731GrantForm.cfm?mode=COPYRe questTimeout=500tcb_code=application_id=979597fcc_id=SWX-SR4 Note the different permitted RF output levels depending on 4.9 frequency. https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=67 7183native_or_pdf=pdf You will also note that the lower output power frequencies have only been tested for narrower bands (5MHz and 10MHz) and the highest output powers with a 20MHz wide signal. Complete set of documents https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhib itsRequestTimeout=500calledFromFrame=Napplication_id=979597fcc_id=%27SWX -SR4%27 SR4 has been certified against the FCC verification rules contained in Title 47 of the CFR, Part 90, Subpart Y for Private Land Mobile radio services. / Eje Gustafsson CTO WISP-Router, Inc. Authorized Ubiquiti Distributor -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 4:58 PM To: lakel...@gbcx.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex So Ubiquiti may be an answer then. Assuming they do have their cards certified. lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: 4.9 GHz is covered by Part 90 and does not need to be a certified system only the emitter needs to be certfied. -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 11:46:17 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex StarOS will do 4.9ghz FD no problem. The X4000 and X2000 units can both do this. They are FCC approved, although someone would probably argue that they may not be approved with all of the 4.9ghz antennas. I know it works, and we use it combined with Tranzeo 4.9 CPE radios for our local city government and county government. I also know that StarOS is being used all around Boston to deliver highway cameras and security cameras back to monitoring locations for government entities, so it is out there in use by many parties and is not a homebrew solution as some here will suggest. If you have to get FDD in 4.9ghz, this will do it. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Matt Jenkins wrote: I would like to see some test cases with real world stats on these. If they do what they claim it would make them a very appealing choice. 3-dB Networks wrote: Yes it is MIMO. It operates in the same channel in Horizontal and Vertical... much like Orthogon et. al. Your right though... its sales fluff (which in this case though could be helpful sales fluff). Guess I got caught up in it without really thinking about that :-) Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http
Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex
StarOS will do 4.9ghz FD no problem. The X4000 and X2000 units can both do this. They are FCC approved, although someone would probably argue that they may not be approved with all of the 4.9ghz antennas. I know it works, and we use it combined with Tranzeo 4.9 CPE radios for our local city government and county government. I also know that StarOS is being used all around Boston to deliver highway cameras and security cameras back to monitoring locations for government entities, so it is out there in use by many parties and is not a homebrew solution as some here will suggest. If you have to get FDD in 4.9ghz, this will do it. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Matt Jenkins wrote: I would like to see some test cases with real world stats on these. If they do what they claim it would make them a very appealing choice. 3-dB Networks wrote: Yes it is MIMO. It operates in the same channel in Horizontal and Vertical... much like Orthogon et. al. Your right though... its sales fluff (which in this case though could be helpful sales fluff). Guess I got caught up in it without really thinking about that :-) Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex
4.9 GHz is covered by Part 90 and does not need to be a certified system only the emitter needs to be certfied. -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 11:46:17 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex StarOS will do 4.9ghz FD no problem. The X4000 and X2000 units can both do this. They are FCC approved, although someone would probably argue that they may not be approved with all of the 4.9ghz antennas. I know it works, and we use it combined with Tranzeo 4.9 CPE radios for our local city government and county government. I also know that StarOS is being used all around Boston to deliver highway cameras and security cameras back to monitoring locations for government entities, so it is out there in use by many parties and is not a homebrew solution as some here will suggest. If you have to get FDD in 4.9ghz, this will do it. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Matt Jenkins wrote: I would like to see some test cases with real world stats on these. If they do what they claim it would make them a very appealing choice. 3-dB Networks wrote: Yes it is MIMO. It operates in the same channel in Horizontal and Vertical... much like Orthogon et. al. Your right though... its sales fluff (which in this case though could be helpful sales fluff). Guess I got caught up in it without really thinking about that :-) Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex
So Ubiquiti may be an answer then. Assuming they do have their cards certified. lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: 4.9 GHz is covered by Part 90 and does not need to be a certified system only the emitter needs to be certfied. -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 11:46:17 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex StarOS will do 4.9ghz FD no problem. The X4000 and X2000 units can both do this. They are FCC approved, although someone would probably argue that they may not be approved with all of the 4.9ghz antennas. I know it works, and we use it combined with Tranzeo 4.9 CPE radios for our local city government and county government. I also know that StarOS is being used all around Boston to deliver highway cameras and security cameras back to monitoring locations for government entities, so it is out there in use by many parties and is not a homebrew solution as some here will suggest. If you have to get FDD in 4.9ghz, this will do it. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Matt Jenkins wrote: I would like to see some test cases with real world stats on these. If they do what they claim it would make them a very appealing choice. 3-dB Networks wrote: Yes it is MIMO. It operates in the same channel in Horizontal and Vertical... much like Orthogon et. al. Your right though... its sales fluff (which in this case though could be helpful sales fluff). Guess I got caught up in it without really thinking about that :-) Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex
Ok I cannot find a decent 4.9 FD radio. Looks like Ligowave, Radwin, and Redline are the top choices. On the same line of thought what are the legalities for passing commercial data over a 4.9 link if its primary function is for Government data? - Matt Matt Jenkins wrote: Does anyone know of a 4.9 Radio that is PoE and Full Duplex? - Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex
Did you look at Exalt? Dan English Plexicomm - Internet Solutions d...@plexicomm.net | 1.866.759.4678 x103 Fax: 1.866.852.4688 | Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 - Original Message - From: Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex Ok I cannot find a decent 4.9 FD radio. Looks like Ligowave, Radwin, and Redline are the top choices. On the same line of thought what are the legalities for passing commercial data over a 4.9 link if its primary function is for Government data? - Matt Matt Jenkins wrote: Does anyone know of a 4.9 Radio that is PoE and Full Duplex? - Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex
Exalt is a good choice... but like Ligowave and Redline would be half duplex. Just like Moto would be a good choice (I actually have a PtP 400 Full connectorized link on the shelf that I am dying to sell :-) The Radwin RW2000/WL1000 are the only 4.9GHz links that I know of that are Full Duplex As for the commercial over 4.9GHz... I seem to remember from a thread a long time ago that it was possible... but I don't recall any details. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Plexicomm Admin Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 11:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex Did you look at Exalt? Dan English Plexicomm - Internet Solutions d...@plexicomm.net | 1.866.759.4678 x103 Fax: 1.866.852.4688 | Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 - Original Message - From: Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex Ok I cannot find a decent 4.9 FD radio. Looks like Ligowave, Radwin, and Redline are the top choices. On the same line of thought what are the legalities for passing commercial data over a 4.9 link if its primary function is for Government data? - Matt Matt Jenkins wrote: Does anyone know of a 4.9 Radio that is PoE and Full Duplex? - Matt - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex
http://exaltcom.com/sublanding.aspx?id=70 Matt Jenkins wrote: Ok I cannot find a decent 4.9 FD radio. Looks like Ligowave, Radwin, and Redline are the top choices. On the same line of thought what are the legalities for passing commercial data over a 4.9 link if its primary function is for Government data? - Matt Matt Jenkins wrote: Does anyone know of a 4.9 Radio that is PoE and Full Duplex? - Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex
Right. It's for government (public safety) data. Matt Jenkins wrote: Ok I cannot find a decent 4.9 FD radio. Looks like Ligowave, Radwin, and Redline are the top choices. On the same line of thought what are the legalities for passing commercial data over a 4.9 link if its primary function is for Government data? - Matt Matt Jenkins wrote: Does anyone know of a 4.9 Radio that is PoE and Full Duplex? - Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Cisco Press Author - "Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs" WISPs - Do you know where your customers are? For wireless coverage mapping see http://www.ask-wi.com/mapping FCC Lic. #PG-12-25133 LinkedIn Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger Phone 818-227-4220 Email jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex
There is alot of confusion here. From a RF standpoint NONE of this equipment is full duplex. From an Ethernet Port standpoint I know the exalt gives me full duplex specs. I cannot answer for Motorola or the others. The biggest thing you should look for is support, asymetrical bandwidth capabilities, and REAL throughput data. I know for a fact that the data through the Exalt is 55 Mbps aggregate. So I can get 25/25 or an asymetrical part of that. No sales fluff on that number. The Motorola is rated at 43 Mbps. If you go my Radwin's spec sheet they do a remarkable 100 Mb over a 20 mhz. channel. That's either totall incredible or that's some real fluff! Ligowave says up to 40 Mb and they probably say that depending on channel size. But 40 mb is the max. I can't answer for Redline as I don't have a public safety spec sheet in front of me. As far as the customer is concerned you need to provide full duplex to his demarc. Do not get confused with what happens when it leaves that point. Bob 3-dB Networks wrote: Exalt is a good choice... but like Ligowave and Redline would be half duplex. Just like Moto would be a good choice (I actually have a PtP 400 Full connectorized link on the shelf that I am dying to sell :-) The Radwin RW2000/WL1000 are the only 4.9GHz links that I know of that are Full Duplex As for the commercial over 4.9GHz... I seem to remember from a thread a long time ago that it was possible... but I don't recall any details. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Plexicomm Admin Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 11:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex Did you look at Exalt? Dan English Plexicomm - Internet Solutions d...@plexicomm.net | 1.866.759.4678 x103 Fax: 1.866.852.4688 | Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 - Original Message - From: Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex Ok I cannot find a decent 4.9 FD radio. Looks like Ligowave, Radwin, and Redline are the top choices. On the same line of thought what are the legalities for passing commercial data over a 4.9 link if its primary function is for Government data? - Matt Matt Jenkins wrote: Does anyone know of a 4.9 Radio that is PoE and Full Duplex? - Matt - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex
Radwin radios are designed for TDM transport... that is really the market they play towards... cellular carriers. Transport is fixed to full duplex... and designed with that in mind. But from an RF standpoint you would be right since it only transmits on one channel. The Radwin gear transmits in two 20MHz channels, one horizontal polarity and one vertical polarity... I don't see any reason to doubt their throughput numbers. But at the end of the day... if the customer wants to see a full duplex radio... only the Radwin one is marketed that way. My experience is most customers like this don't care how it actually works... as long as it does what they think they want. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 11:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex There is alot of confusion here. From a RF standpoint NONE of this equipment is full duplex. From an Ethernet Port standpoint I know the exalt gives me full duplex specs. I cannot answer for Motorola or the others. The biggest thing you should look for is support, asymetrical bandwidth capabilities, and REAL throughput data. I know for a fact that the data through the Exalt is 55 Mbps aggregate. So I can get 25/25 or an asymetrical part of that. No sales fluff on that number. The Motorola is rated at 43 Mbps. If you go my Radwin's spec sheet they do a remarkable 100 Mb over a 20 mhz. channel. That's either totall incredible or that's some real fluff! Ligowave says up to 40 Mb and they probably say that depending on channel size. But 40 mb is the max. I can't answer for Redline as I don't have a public safety spec sheet in front of me. As far as the customer is concerned you need to provide full duplex to his demarc. Do not get confused with what happens when it leaves that point. Bob 3-dB Networks wrote: Exalt is a good choice... but like Ligowave and Redline would be half duplex. Just like Moto would be a good choice (I actually have a PtP 400 Full connectorized link on the shelf that I am dying to sell :-) The Radwin RW2000/WL1000 are the only 4.9GHz links that I know of that are Full Duplex As for the commercial over 4.9GHz... I seem to remember from a thread a long time ago that it was possible... but I don't recall any details. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Plexicomm Admin Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 11:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex Did you look at Exalt? Dan English Plexicomm - Internet Solutions d...@plexicomm.net | 1.866.759.4678 x103 Fax: 1.866.852.4688 | Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 - Original Message - From: Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex Ok I cannot find a decent 4.9 FD radio. Looks like Ligowave, Radwin, and Redline are the top choices. On the same line of thought what are the legalities for passing commercial data over a 4.9 link if its primary function is for Government data? - Matt Matt Jenkins wrote: Does anyone know of a 4.9 Radio that is PoE and Full Duplex? - Matt --- -- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- -- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo
Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex
Nope...still have the same issues. If one radio did the transmitting and the other link the receiving you would be true RF full duplex but with TDD that theory may have holes. Josh Luthman wrote: What about settings up two links side by side and using a router to make them pseudo-fdx? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: There is alot of confusion here. From a RF standpoint NONE of this equipment is full duplex. From an Ethernet Port standpoint I know the exalt gives me full duplex specs. I cannot answer for Motorola or the others. The biggest thing you should look for is support, asymetrical bandwidth capabilities, and REAL throughput data. I know for a fact that the data through the Exalt is 55 Mbps aggregate. So I can get 25/25 or an asymetrical part of that. No sales fluff on that number. The Motorola is rated at 43 Mbps. If you go my Radwin's spec sheet they do a remarkable 100 Mb over a 20 mhz. channel. That's either totall incredible or that's some real fluff! Ligowave says up to 40 Mb and they probably say that depending on channel size. But 40 mb is the max. I can't answer for Redline as I don't have a public safety spec sheet in front of me. As far as the customer is concerned you need to provide full duplex to his demarc. Do not get confused with what happens when it leaves that point. Bob 3-dB Networks wrote: Exalt is a good choice... but like Ligowave and Redline would be half duplex. Just like Moto would be a good choice (I actually have a PtP 400 Full connectorized link on the shelf that I am dying to sell :-) The Radwin RW2000/WL1000 are the only 4.9GHz links that I know of that are Full Duplex As for the commercial over 4.9GHz... I seem to remember from a thread a long time ago that it was possible... but I don't recall any details. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Plexicomm Admin Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 11:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex Did you look at Exalt? Dan English Plexicomm - Internet Solutions d...@plexicomm.net | 1.866.759.4678 x103 Fax: 1.866.852.4688 | Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 - Original Message - From: Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex Ok I cannot find a decent 4.9 FD radio. Looks like Ligowave, Radwin, and Redline are the top choices. On the same line of thought what are the legalities for passing commercial data over a 4.9 link if its primary function is for Government data? - Matt Matt Jenkins wrote: Does anyone know of a 4.9 Radio that is PoE and Full Duplex? - Matt - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex
I am looking into this as well. Josh Luthman wrote: What about settings up two links side by side and using a router to make them pseudo-fdx? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: There is alot of confusion here. From a RF standpoint NONE of this equipment is full duplex. From an Ethernet Port standpoint I know the exalt gives me full duplex specs. I cannot answer for Motorola or the others. The biggest thing you should look for is support, asymetrical bandwidth capabilities, and REAL throughput data. I know for a fact that the data through the Exalt is 55 Mbps aggregate. So I can get 25/25 or an asymetrical part of that. No sales fluff on that number. The Motorola is rated at 43 Mbps. If you go my Radwin's spec sheet they do a remarkable 100 Mb over a 20 mhz. channel. That's either totall incredible or that's some real fluff! Ligowave says up to 40 Mb and they probably say that depending on channel size. But 40 mb is the max. I can't answer for Redline as I don't have a public safety spec sheet in front of me. As far as the customer is concerned you need to provide full duplex to his demarc. Do not get confused with what happens when it leaves that point. Bob 3-dB Networks wrote: Exalt is a good choice... but like Ligowave and Redline would be half duplex. Just like Moto would be a good choice (I actually have a PtP 400 Full connectorized link on the shelf that I am dying to sell :-) The Radwin RW2000/WL1000 are the only 4.9GHz links that I know of that are Full Duplex As for the commercial over 4.9GHz... I seem to remember from a thread a long time ago that it was possible... but I don't recall any details. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Plexicomm Admin Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 11:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex Did you look at Exalt? Dan English Plexicomm - Internet Solutions d...@plexicomm.net | 1.866.759.4678 x103 Fax: 1.866.852.4688 | Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 - Original Message - From: Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex Ok I cannot find a decent 4.9 FD radio. Looks like Ligowave, Radwin, and Redline are the top choices. On the same line of thought what are the legalities for passing commercial data over a 4.9 link if its primary function is for Government data? - Matt Matt Jenkins wrote: Does anyone know of a 4.9 Radio that is PoE and Full Duplex? - Matt - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex
The Exalt is also a TDM radio. I didn't see that Radwin was MIMO. Does it operate on the same channel or does horizontal and vertical need to be on separate channels? I agree that Radwin advertises full duplex but again that is either a mistake or sales fluff. All the equipment is TDD. And I agree that as long as the customer gets what he thinks he wants, that is the goal. -B- 3-dB Networks wrote: Radwin radios are designed for TDM transport... that is really the market they play towards... cellular carriers. Transport is fixed to full duplex... and designed with that in mind. But from an RF standpoint you would be right since it only transmits on one channel. The Radwin gear transmits in two 20MHz channels, one horizontal polarity and one vertical polarity... I don't see any reason to doubt their throughput numbers. But at the end of the day... if the customer wants to see a full duplex radio... only the Radwin one is marketed that way. My experience is most customers like this don't care how it actually works... as long as it does what they think they want. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 11:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex There is alot of confusion here. From a RF standpoint NONE of this equipment is full duplex. From an Ethernet Port standpoint I know the exalt gives me full duplex specs. I cannot answer for Motorola or the others. The biggest thing you should look for is support, asymetrical bandwidth capabilities, and REAL throughput data. I know for a fact that the data through the Exalt is 55 Mbps aggregate. So I can get 25/25 or an asymetrical part of that. No sales fluff on that number. The Motorola is rated at 43 Mbps. If you go my Radwin's spec sheet they do a remarkable 100 Mb over a 20 mhz. channel. That's either totall incredible or that's some real fluff! Ligowave says up to 40 Mb and they probably say that depending on channel size. But 40 mb is the max. I can't answer for Redline as I don't have a public safety spec sheet in front of me. As far as the customer is concerned you need to provide full duplex to his demarc. Do not get confused with what happens when it leaves that point. Bob 3-dB Networks wrote: Exalt is a good choice... but like Ligowave and Redline would be half duplex. Just like Moto would be a good choice (I actually have a PtP 400 Full connectorized link on the shelf that I am dying to sell :-) The Radwin RW2000/WL1000 are the only 4.9GHz links that I know of that are Full Duplex As for the commercial over 4.9GHz... I seem to remember from a thread a long time ago that it was possible... but I don't recall any details. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Plexicomm Admin Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 11:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex Did you look at Exalt? Dan English Plexicomm - Internet Solutions d...@plexicomm.net | 1.866.759.4678 x103 Fax: 1.866.852.4688 | Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 - Original Message - From: Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex Ok I cannot find a decent 4.9 FD radio. Looks like Ligowave, Radwin, and Redline are the top choices. On the same line of thought what are the legalities for passing commercial data over a 4.9 link if its primary function is for Government data? - Matt Matt Jenkins wrote: Does anyone know of a 4.9 Radio that is PoE and Full Duplex? - Matt --- -- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- -- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex
You can stop looking. You still wont get a full duplex link. FD is the radio transmits on one channel and receives on the other. Considering there is no equipment on the Commissions list that does not do TDD or something similar you will never get true FD. -B- Matt Jenkins wrote: I am looking into this as well. Josh Luthman wrote: What about settings up two links side by side and using a router to make them pseudo-fdx? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: There is alot of confusion here. From a RF standpoint NONE of this equipment is full duplex. From an Ethernet Port standpoint I know the exalt gives me full duplex specs. I cannot answer for Motorola or the others. The biggest thing you should look for is support, asymetrical bandwidth capabilities, and REAL throughput data. I know for a fact that the data through the Exalt is 55 Mbps aggregate. So I can get 25/25 or an asymetrical part of that. No sales fluff on that number. The Motorola is rated at 43 Mbps. If you go my Radwin's spec sheet they do a remarkable 100 Mb over a 20 mhz. channel. That's either totall incredible or that's some real fluff! Ligowave says up to 40 Mb and they probably say that depending on channel size. But 40 mb is the max. I can't answer for Redline as I don't have a public safety spec sheet in front of me. As far as the customer is concerned you need to provide full duplex to his demarc. Do not get confused with what happens when it leaves that point. Bob 3-dB Networks wrote: Exalt is a good choice... but like Ligowave and Redline would be half duplex. Just like Moto would be a good choice (I actually have a PtP 400 Full connectorized link on the shelf that I am dying to sell :-) The Radwin RW2000/WL1000 are the only 4.9GHz links that I know of that are Full Duplex As for the commercial over 4.9GHz... I seem to remember from a thread a long time ago that it was possible... but I don't recall any details. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Plexicomm Admin Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 11:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex Did you look at Exalt? Dan English Plexicomm - Internet Solutions d...@plexicomm.net | 1.866.759.4678 x103 Fax: 1.866.852.4688 | Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 - Original Message - From: Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex Ok I cannot find a decent 4.9 FD radio. Looks like Ligowave, Radwin, and Redline are the top choices. On the same line of thought what are the legalities for passing commercial data over a 4.9 link if its primary function is for Government data? - Matt Matt Jenkins wrote: Does anyone know of a 4.9 Radio that is PoE and Full Duplex? - Matt - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex
I am aware of that. I have begun looking at using routers to do the FD part and 2 pairs of radios with filters. The advantage of this is if their is a radio failure everything could then auto route all traffic over the one remaining radio. Bob Moldashel wrote: You can stop looking. You still wont get a full duplex link. FD is the radio transmits on one channel and receives on the other. Considering there is no equipment on the Commissions list that does not do TDD or something similar you will never get true FD. -B- Matt Jenkins wrote: I am looking into this as well. Josh Luthman wrote: What about settings up two links side by side and using a router to make them pseudo-fdx? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: There is alot of confusion here. From a RF standpoint NONE of this equipment is full duplex. From an Ethernet Port standpoint I know the exalt gives me full duplex specs. I cannot answer for Motorola or the others. The biggest thing you should look for is support, asymetrical bandwidth capabilities, and REAL throughput data. I know for a fact that the data through the Exalt is 55 Mbps aggregate. So I can get 25/25 or an asymetrical part of that. No sales fluff on that number. The Motorola is rated at 43 Mbps. If you go my Radwin's spec sheet they do a remarkable 100 Mb over a 20 mhz. channel. That's either totall incredible or that's some real fluff! Ligowave says up to 40 Mb and they probably say that depending on channel size. But 40 mb is the max. I can't answer for Redline as I don't have a public safety spec sheet in front of me. As far as the customer is concerned you need to provide full duplex to his demarc. Do not get confused with what happens when it leaves that point. Bob 3-dB Networks wrote: Exalt is a good choice... but like Ligowave and Redline would be half duplex. Just like Moto would be a good choice (I actually have a PtP 400 Full connectorized link on the shelf that I am dying to sell :-) The Radwin RW2000/WL1000 are the only 4.9GHz links that I know of that are Full Duplex As for the commercial over 4.9GHz... I seem to remember from a thread a long time ago that it was possible... but I don't recall any details. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Plexicomm Admin Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 11:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex Did you look at Exalt? Dan English Plexicomm - Internet Solutions d...@plexicomm.net | 1.866.759.4678 x103 Fax: 1.866.852.4688 | Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 - Original Message - From: Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex Ok I cannot find a decent 4.9 FD radio. Looks like Ligowave, Radwin, and Redline are the top choices. On the same line of thought what are the legalities for passing commercial data over a 4.9 link if its primary function is for Government data? - Matt Matt Jenkins wrote: Does anyone know of a 4.9 Radio that is PoE and Full Duplex? - Matt - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex
Ok. That makes sense. I thought you were still attempting full duplex My bad Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.net Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 11:34:28 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex I am aware of that. I have begun looking at using routers to do the FD part and 2 pairs of radios with filters. The advantage of this is if their is a radio failure everything could then auto route all traffic over the one remaining radio. Bob Moldashel wrote: You can stop looking. You still wont get a full duplex link. FD is the radio transmits on one channel and receives on the other. Considering there is no equipment on the Commissions list that does not do TDD or something similar you will never get true FD. -B- Matt Jenkins wrote: I am looking into this as well. Josh Luthman wrote: What about settings up two links side by side and using a router to make them pseudo-fdx? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: There is alot of confusion here. From a RF standpoint NONE of this equipment is full duplex. From an Ethernet Port standpoint I know the exalt gives me full duplex specs. I cannot answer for Motorola or the others. The biggest thing you should look for is support, asymetrical bandwidth capabilities, and REAL throughput data. I know for a fact that the data through the Exalt is 55 Mbps aggregate. So I can get 25/25 or an asymetrical part of that. No sales fluff on that number. The Motorola is rated at 43 Mbps. If you go my Radwin's spec sheet they do a remarkable 100 Mb over a 20 mhz. channel. That's either totall incredible or that's some real fluff! Ligowave says up to 40 Mb and they probably say that depending on channel size. But 40 mb is the max. I can't answer for Redline as I don't have a public safety spec sheet in front of me. As far as the customer is concerned you need to provide full duplex to his demarc. Do not get confused with what happens when it leaves that point. Bob 3-dB Networks wrote: Exalt is a good choice... but like Ligowave and Redline would be half duplex. Just like Moto would be a good choice (I actually have a PtP 400 Full connectorized link on the shelf that I am dying to sell :-) The Radwin RW2000/WL1000 are the only 4.9GHz links that I know of that are Full Duplex As for the commercial over 4.9GHz... I seem to remember from a thread a long time ago that it was possible... but I don't recall any details. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Plexicomm Admin Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 11:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex Did you look at Exalt? Dan English Plexicomm - Internet Solutions d...@plexicomm.net | 1.866.759.4678 x103 Fax: 1.866.852.4688 | Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 - Original Message - From: Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex Ok I cannot find a decent 4.9 FD radio. Looks like Ligowave, Radwin, and Redline are the top choices. On the same line of thought what are the legalities for passing commercial data over a 4.9 link if its primary function is for Government data? - Matt Matt Jenkins wrote: Does anyone know of a 4.9 Radio that is PoE and Full Duplex? - Matt - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http
Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex
Better to cut the bandwidth in half then the whole thing being down, though! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.netwrote: I am aware of that. I have begun looking at using routers to do the FD part and 2 pairs of radios with filters. The advantage of this is if their is a radio failure everything could then auto route all traffic over the one remaining radio. Bob Moldashel wrote: You can stop looking. You still wont get a full duplex link. FD is the radio transmits on one channel and receives on the other. Considering there is no equipment on the Commissions list that does not do TDD or something similar you will never get true FD. -B- Matt Jenkins wrote: I am looking into this as well. Josh Luthman wrote: What about settings up two links side by side and using a router to make them pseudo-fdx? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: There is alot of confusion here. From a RF standpoint NONE of this equipment is full duplex. From an Ethernet Port standpoint I know the exalt gives me full duplex specs. I cannot answer for Motorola or the others. The biggest thing you should look for is support, asymetrical bandwidth capabilities, and REAL throughput data. I know for a fact that the data through the Exalt is 55 Mbps aggregate. So I can get 25/25 or an asymetrical part of that. No sales fluff on that number. The Motorola is rated at 43 Mbps. If you go my Radwin's spec sheet they do a remarkable 100 Mb over a 20 mhz. channel. That's either totall incredible or that's some real fluff! Ligowave says up to 40 Mb and they probably say that depending on channel size. But 40 mb is the max. I can't answer for Redline as I don't have a public safety spec sheet in front of me. As far as the customer is concerned you need to provide full duplex to his demarc. Do not get confused with what happens when it leaves that point. Bob 3-dB Networks wrote: Exalt is a good choice... but like Ligowave and Redline would be half duplex. Just like Moto would be a good choice (I actually have a PtP 400 Full connectorized link on the shelf that I am dying to sell :-) The Radwin RW2000/WL1000 are the only 4.9GHz links that I know of that are Full Duplex As for the commercial over 4.9GHz... I seem to remember from a thread a long time ago that it was possible... but I don't recall any details. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Plexicomm Admin Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 11:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex Did you look at Exalt? Dan English Plexicomm - Internet Solutions d...@plexicomm.net | 1.866.759.4678 x103 Fax: 1.866.852.4688 | Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 - Original Message - From: Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex Ok I cannot find a decent 4.9 FD radio. Looks like Ligowave, Radwin, and Redline are the top choices. On the same line of thought what are the legalities for passing commercial data over a 4.9 link if its primary function is for Government data? - Matt Matt Jenkins wrote: Does anyone know of a 4.9 Radio that is PoE and Full Duplex? - Matt - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http
Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex
Yes it is MIMO. It operates in the same channel in Horizontal and Vertical... much like Orthogon et. al. Your right though... its sales fluff (which in this case though could be helpful sales fluff). Guess I got caught up in it without really thinking about that :-) Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 12:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex The Exalt is also a TDM radio. I didn't see that Radwin was MIMO. Does it operate on the same channel or does horizontal and vertical need to be on separate channels? I agree that Radwin advertises full duplex but again that is either a mistake or sales fluff. All the equipment is TDD. And I agree that as long as the customer gets what he thinks he wants, that is the goal. -B- 3-dB Networks wrote: Radwin radios are designed for TDM transport... that is really the market they play towards... cellular carriers. Transport is fixed to full duplex... and designed with that in mind. But from an RF standpoint you would be right since it only transmits on one channel. The Radwin gear transmits in two 20MHz channels, one horizontal polarity and one vertical polarity... I don't see any reason to doubt their throughput numbers. But at the end of the day... if the customer wants to see a full duplex radio... only the Radwin one is marketed that way. My experience is most customers like this don't care how it actually works... as long as it does what they think they want. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 11:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex There is alot of confusion here. From a RF standpoint NONE of this equipment is full duplex. From an Ethernet Port standpoint I know the exalt gives me full duplex specs. I cannot answer for Motorola or the others. The biggest thing you should look for is support, asymetrical bandwidth capabilities, and REAL throughput data. I know for a fact that the data through the Exalt is 55 Mbps aggregate. So I can get 25/25 or an asymetrical part of that. No sales fluff on that number. The Motorola is rated at 43 Mbps. If you go my Radwin's spec sheet they do a remarkable 100 Mb over a 20 mhz. channel. That's either totall incredible or that's some real fluff! Ligowave says up to 40 Mb and they probably say that depending on channel size. But 40 mb is the max. I can't answer for Redline as I don't have a public safety spec sheet in front of me. As far as the customer is concerned you need to provide full duplex to his demarc. Do not get confused with what happens when it leaves that point. Bob 3-dB Networks wrote: Exalt is a good choice... but like Ligowave and Redline would be half duplex. Just like Moto would be a good choice (I actually have a PtP 400 Full connectorized link on the shelf that I am dying to sell :-) The Radwin RW2000/WL1000 are the only 4.9GHz links that I know of that are Full Duplex As for the commercial over 4.9GHz... I seem to remember from a thread a long time ago that it was possible... but I don't recall any details. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Plexicomm Admin Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 11:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex Did you look at Exalt? Dan English Plexicomm - Internet Solutions d...@plexicomm.net | 1.866.759.4678 x103 Fax: 1.866.852.4688 | Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 - Original Message - From: Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex Ok I cannot find a decent 4.9 FD radio. Looks like Ligowave, Radwin, and Redline are the top choices. On the same line of thought what are the legalities for passing commercial data over a 4.9 link if its primary function is for Government data? - Matt Matt Jenkins wrote: Does anyone know of a 4.9 Radio that is PoE and Full Duplex? - Matt - -- -- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - -- -- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- -- -- WISPA Wants You
Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex
Can you use two radios in a Mikrotik? Use the OSPF method instead of nstreme dual. On 3/25/09, Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.net wrote: Does anyone know of a 4.9 Radio that is PoE and Full Duplex? - Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex
Lucaya X4000 (StarOS) can do full duplex and is PoE. (might not be certified for US 4.9?) On Mar 25, 2009, at 2:47 PM, Matt Jenkins wrote: Does anyone know of a 4.9 Radio that is PoE and Full Duplex? - Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex
Exalt Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.net Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 11:47:21 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex Does anyone know of a 4.9 Radio that is PoE and Full Duplex? - Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex
Unfortunately, 4.9 GHz needs to use certified equipment, not homebrew. Josh Luthman wrote: Can you use two radios in a Mikrotik? Use the OSPF method instead of nstreme dual. On 3/25/09, Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.net wrote: Does anyone know of a 4.9 Radio that is PoE and Full Duplex? - Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Cisco Press Author - "Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs" WISPs - Do you know where your customers are? For wireless coverage mapping see http://www.ask-wi.com/mapping FCC Lic. #PG-12-25133 LinkedIn Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger Phone 818-227-4220 Email jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex
Radwin... Orthgon radios are not full duplex but can be setup for 1:1 so it's pretty close. What is the application, how much bandwidth do you have... and how much throughput do you need? Hit me offlist if you like Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Jenkins Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 12:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex Does anyone know of a 4.9 Radio that is PoE and Full Duplex? - Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex
I thought all bands required certified systems. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 12:18:58 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex
The Redline AN-80i is available in 4.9 GHz with a variety of channel sizes, is FCC approved for the band and PoE powered; why the requirement for full duplex? Kevin -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Jenkins Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 2:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex Does anyone know of a 4.9 Radio that is PoE and Full Duplex? - Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex
The buildings are about 1000ft apart. Clear LOS. The product must be full duplex or support at least 20mbps full duplex. Must be a POE all outdoor solution. I am only providing the product and doing the installation. I will also be doing training for the network administrator to operate the radios. It does not have to have an integrated antenna but that would be preferred. - Matt 3-dB Networks wrote: Radwin... Orthgon radios are not full duplex but can be setup for 1:1 so it's pretty close. What is the application, how much bandwidth do you have... and how much throughput do you need? Hit me offlist if you like Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Jenkins Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 12:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex Does anyone know of a 4.9 Radio that is PoE and Full Duplex? - Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex
The want Full Duplex. Its a gov't agency who knows why they want what they want, but they want it. Ya know? :) - Matt Kevin Suitor wrote: The Redline AN-80i is available in 4.9 GHz with a variety of channel sizes, is FCC approved for the band and PoE powered; why the requirement for full duplex? Kevin -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Jenkins Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 2:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex Does anyone know of a 4.9 Radio that is PoE and Full Duplex? - Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex
Good try but I'm not going to bite on that one Bob. :) I expounded (pontificated?) last month on the wisdom of and the consequences of selling public safety agencies illegal (uncertified) 4.9 GHz systems. I'll leave it to someone else to explain it this time around. jack of the (wireless) jungle lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: I thought all bands required certified systems. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 12:18:58 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Cisco Press Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs WISPs - Do you know where your customers are? For wireless coverage mapping see http://www.ask-wi.com/mapping FCC Lic. #PG-12-25133 LinkedIn Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger Phone 818-227-4220 Email jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex
Yep... and considering how cheap the Radwin gear is I'm not sure why you would want to risk it with a homebrew setup anyways Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 2:17 PM To: lakel...@gbcx.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex Good try but I'm not going to bite on that one Bob. :) I expounded (pontificated?) last month on the wisdom of and the consequences of selling public safety agencies illegal (uncertified) 4.9 GHz systems. I'll leave it to someone else to explain it this time around. jack of the (wireless) jungle lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: I thought all bands required certified systems. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 12:18:58 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Cisco Press Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs WISPs - Do you know where your customers are? For wireless coverage mapping see http://www.ask-wi.com/mapping FCC Lic. #PG-12-25133 LinkedIn Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger Phone 818-227-4220 Email jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex
I had a fleeting mental image of you swinging from a vine in a Tarzan suit...thanks for that...I think... :-) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 4:17 PM To: lakel...@gbcx.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex Good try but I'm not going to bite on that one Bob. :) I expounded (pontificated?) last month on the wisdom of and the consequences of selling public safety agencies illegal (uncertified) 4.9 GHz systems. I'll leave it to someone else to explain it this time around. jack of the (wireless) jungle lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: I thought all bands required certified systems. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 12:18:58 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Cisco Press Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs WISPs - Do you know where your customers are? For wireless coverage mapping see http://www.ask-wi.com/mapping FCC Lic. #PG-12-25133 LinkedIn Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger Phone 818-227-4220 Email jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex
Does the Radwin have anything to do with the Radmux radios? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Jeff Broadwick jeffl...@comcast.netwrote: I had a fleeting mental image of you swinging from a vine in a Tarzan suit...thanks for that...I think... :-) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 4:17 PM To: lakel...@gbcx.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex Good try but I'm not going to bite on that one Bob. :) I expounded (pontificated?) last month on the wisdom of and the consequences of selling public safety agencies illegal (uncertified) 4.9 GHz systems. I'll leave it to someone else to explain it this time around. jack of the (wireless) jungle lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: I thought all bands required certified systems. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 12:18:58 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Cisco Press Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs WISPs - Do you know where your customers are? For wireless coverage mapping see http://www.ask-wi.com/mapping FCC Lic. #PG-12-25133 LinkedIn Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger Phone 818-227-4220 Email jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex
All of the RAD names are under the same brand. Airmux/Radmux is made by RAD... I don't know much about those though. We are focusing on the WL1000 and RW2000... both pretty cool radios. RAD as a whole was recently added to our vendor list :-) Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 2:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex Does the Radwin have anything to do with the Radmux radios? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Jeff Broadwick jeffl...@comcast.netwrote: I had a fleeting mental image of you swinging from a vine in a Tarzan suit...thanks for that...I think... :-) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 4:17 PM To: lakel...@gbcx.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex Good try but I'm not going to bite on that one Bob. :) I expounded (pontificated?) last month on the wisdom of and the consequences of selling public safety agencies illegal (uncertified) 4.9 GHz systems. I'll leave it to someone else to explain it this time around. jack of the (wireless) jungle lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: I thought all bands required certified systems. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 12:18:58 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Cisco Press Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs WISPs - Do you know where your customers are? For wireless coverage mapping see http://www.ask-wi.com/mapping FCC Lic. #PG-12-25133 LinkedIn Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger Phone 818-227-4220 Email jun...@ask-wi.com -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex
If there anything like the Ceragon radios or Radmux radios I used - run. Run and never look back. They've been nothing but a hassle while I used them. The Ceragon ones from years ago were great because they would throw the T1 (PRI I guess?) through the wireless to the other side of the link's IDU. After spending months getting the ARP bug worked out I believe it's been rock solid. The Radmux radios I used are a hassle to configure - Windows only app that you burn on a dozen CDs so you don't lose it (because you're completely forked if you don't have it) - since you have to change modes and all kinds of weird places to comment (or is it configuration? Who knows...). I had 3 links go bad (ODU here, IDU there, etc) over about 9 months and finally just spent the next two Saturdays replacing them. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 4:32 PM, 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net wrote: All of the RAD names are under the same brand. Airmux/Radmux is made by RAD... I don't know much about those though. We are focusing on the WL1000 and RW2000... both pretty cool radios. RAD as a whole was recently added to our vendor list :-) Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 2:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex Does the Radwin have anything to do with the Radmux radios? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Jeff Broadwick jeffl...@comcast.netwrote: I had a fleeting mental image of you swinging from a vine in a Tarzan suit...thanks for that...I think... :-) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 4:17 PM To: lakel...@gbcx.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex Good try but I'm not going to bite on that one Bob. :) I expounded (pontificated?) last month on the wisdom of and the consequences of selling public safety agencies illegal (uncertified) 4.9 GHz systems. I'll leave it to someone else to explain it this time around. jack of the (wireless) jungle lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: I thought all bands required certified systems. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 12:18:58 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Cisco Press Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs WISPs - Do you know where your customers are? For wireless coverage mapping see http://www.ask-wi.com/mapping FCC Lic. #PG-12-25133 LinkedIn Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger Phone 818-227-4220 Email jun...@ask-wi.com -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http
Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex
Great minds...or maybe not!?!? :-) _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 4:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex Good Lord!!! That's the same fleeting mental image that I had!! Jeff Broadwick wrote: I had a fleeting mental image of you swinging from a vine in a Tarzan suit...thanks for that...I think... :-) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 4:17 PM To: lakel...@gbcx.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex Good try but I'm not going to bite on that one Bob. :) I expounded (pontificated?) last month on the wisdom of and the consequences of selling public safety agencies illegal (uncertified) 4.9 GHz systems. I'll leave it to someone else to explain it this time around. jack of the (wireless) jungle lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: I thought all bands required certified systems. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Jack Unger mailto:jun...@ask-wi.com jun...@ask-wi.com Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 12:18:58 To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Cisco Press Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs WISPs - Do you know where your customers are? For wireless coverage mapping see http://www.ask-wi.com/mapping FCC Lic. #PG-12-25133 LinkedIn Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger Phone 818-227-4220 Email mailto:jun...@ask-wi.com jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Cisco Press Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs WISPs - Do you know where your customers are? For wireless coverage mapping see http://www.ask-wi.com/mapping FCC Lic. #PG-12-25133 LinkedIn Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger Phone 818-227-4220 Email mailto:jun...@ask-wi.com jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex
I think definitions of certified vary... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: lakel...@gbcx.net Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 2:34 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex I thought all bands required certified systems. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 12:18:58 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex
I believe they told me it was not modular certified and only sold to OEMs... unless you use the PCMCIA. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 5:31 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex Doesn't Ubiquiti have a certified 4.9 radio? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
