Re: [WISPA] Dual Power Supply, how to?

2008-10-24 Thread Gino Villarini
We have a reason for this, we design our sites with dual power work ease
of work ...Side A and Side B.  Side A is connected to the UPS Plant,
Side B to Utility.  In Case Of UPS failure, we are not out.

 

Gino A. Villarini 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145 



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Blair Davis
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 1:44 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Power Supply, how to?

 

Yes, you could do this

You will need to pick the right diode for the job.

But what brings this on?  

I've had almost no PS failures that were not part of some major damage.
(lightning, power co. problem...  480V on 110V line)

If you are having many PS failures, you might look at the load vs the PS
rating.  Don't forget the radio cards...



CHUCK PROFITO wrote: 

OK guys, don't LOL, I'm just a farm boy, but...
Why couldn't you put two power supplies together into one plug, then if
one
failed the other would do full duty. Would a diode inline on both stop a
possible transformer shorting the other out or draining  the power from
the
good one? 
Can that work?
 
Chuck Profito
209-988-7388
CV-ACCESS, INC
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Providing High Speed Broadband 
to Rural Central California
 
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 8:26 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Power Supply, how to?
 
Why not use two power supplies, one on the dc jack and the other on
the poe connection? -RickG
 
On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 7:59 PM, Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:
  

Hello all
 
Im looking for a way to add redundant power to my mikrotik
routers at
the towers,  The routers have a DC jack, so im looking for
options..
 
Anything available? Or would I have to make my own?
 
Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145
 
 
 
 





  

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Re: [WISPA] Dual Power Supply, how to?

2008-10-24 Thread Josh Luthman
Similar to the last post what I often see is two UPS units coming from
two power grids/companies.



On 10/24/08, Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 We have a reason for this, we design our sites with dual power work ease
 of work ...Side A and Side B.  Side A is connected to the UPS Plant,
 Side B to Utility.  In Case Of UPS failure, we are not out.



 Gino A. Villarini
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

 

 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Blair Davis
 Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 1:44 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Power Supply, how to?



 Yes, you could do this

 You will need to pick the right diode for the job.

 But what brings this on?

 I've had almost no PS failures that were not part of some major damage.
 (lightning, power co. problem...  480V on 110V line)

 If you are having many PS failures, you might look at the load vs the PS
 rating.  Don't forget the radio cards...



 CHUCK PROFITO wrote:

 OK guys, don't LOL, I'm just a farm boy, but...
 Why couldn't you put two power supplies together into one plug, then if
 one
 failed the other would do full duty. Would a diode inline on both stop a
 possible transformer shorting the other out or draining  the power from
 the
 good one?
 Can that work?

 Chuck Profito
 209-988-7388
 CV-ACCESS, INC
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Providing High Speed Broadband
 to Rural Central California

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of RickG
 Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 8:26 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Power Supply, how to?

 Why not use two power supplies, one on the dc jack and the other on
 the poe connection? -RickG

 On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 7:59 PM, Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:


   Hello all
   
   Im looking for a way to add redundant power to my mikrotik
 routers at
   the towers,  The routers have a DC jack, so im looking for
 options..
   
   Anything available? Or would I have to make my own?
   
   Gino A. Villarini
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
   tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145
   
   
   
   
   

 
 
 


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Re: [WISPA] Dual Power Supply, how to?

2008-10-24 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
Depending on how your sites are designed, APC makes a Dual Feed AC swtich
for this purpose.


Thanks 


Faisal Imtiaz
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 8:30 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Power Supply, how to?

We have a reason for this, we design our sites with dual power work ease of
work ...Side A and Side B.  Side A is connected to the UPS Plant, Side B to
Utility.  In Case Of UPS failure, we are not out.

 

Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145 



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Blair Davis
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 1:44 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Power Supply, how to?

 

Yes, you could do this

You will need to pick the right diode for the job.

But what brings this on?  

I've had almost no PS failures that were not part of some major damage.
(lightning, power co. problem...  480V on 110V line)

If you are having many PS failures, you might look at the load vs the PS
rating.  Don't forget the radio cards...



CHUCK PROFITO wrote: 

OK guys, don't LOL, I'm just a farm boy, but...
Why couldn't you put two power supplies together into one plug, then if one
failed the other would do full duty. Would a diode inline on both stop a
possible transformer shorting the other out or draining  the power from the
good one? 
Can that work?
 
Chuck Profito
209-988-7388
CV-ACCESS, INC
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Providing High Speed Broadband
to Rural Central California
 
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 8:26 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Power Supply, how to?
 
Why not use two power supplies, one on the dc jack and the other on the poe
connection? -RickG
 
On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 7:59 PM, Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:
  

Hello all
 
Im looking for a way to add redundant power to my mikrotik routers
at
the towers,  The routers have a DC jack, so im looking for options..
 
Anything available? Or would I have to make my own?
 
Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145
 
 
 
 





  

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Re: [WISPA] Dual Power Supply, how to?

2008-10-24 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
 
Just a quick follow up.

A quick search of the internet shows up a lot of devices.
(APC makes a few different types).
These are either called Dual AC Automatic Transfer Switch.
Or depending on your voltage needs, you could modify an  Dual AC power
supply module for Computer 
Or find a AC to DC rack mount powersupplies used in Telco's .
They are typically modular but big and heavy.

Many options.

Faisal Imtiaz
Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 10:02 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Power Supply, how to?

Depending on how your sites are designed, APC makes a Dual Feed AC swtich
for this purpose.


Thanks 


Faisal Imtiaz
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 8:30 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Power Supply, how to?

We have a reason for this, we design our sites with dual power work ease of
work ...Side A and Side B.  Side A is connected to the UPS Plant, Side B to
Utility.  In Case Of UPS failure, we are not out.

 

Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145 



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Blair Davis
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 1:44 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Power Supply, how to?

 

Yes, you could do this

You will need to pick the right diode for the job.

But what brings this on?  

I've had almost no PS failures that were not part of some major damage.
(lightning, power co. problem...  480V on 110V line)

If you are having many PS failures, you might look at the load vs the PS
rating.  Don't forget the radio cards...



CHUCK PROFITO wrote: 

OK guys, don't LOL, I'm just a farm boy, but...
Why couldn't you put two power supplies together into one plug, then if one
failed the other would do full duty. Would a diode inline on both stop a
possible transformer shorting the other out or draining  the power from the
good one? 
Can that work?
 
Chuck Profito
209-988-7388
CV-ACCESS, INC
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Providing High Speed Broadband
to Rural Central California
 
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 8:26 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Power Supply, how to?
 
Why not use two power supplies, one on the dc jack and the other on the poe
connection? -RickG
 
On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 7:59 PM, Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:
  

Hello all
 
Im looking for a way to add redundant power to my mikrotik routers
at
the towers,  The routers have a DC jack, so im looking for options..
 
Anything available? Or would I have to make my own?
 
Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145
 
 
 
 





  

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Re: [WISPA] Dual Power Supply, how to?

2008-10-24 Thread Josh Luthman
My experience has been less then perfect with APC.  The 19 rack ones have
been pretty good but the small 7 amp, 11 amp, tiny desktop models have gone
bad on me.  Those units die way too often =/

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Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
--- Henry Spencer


On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 10:02 AM, Faisal Imtiaz [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 Depending on how your sites are designed, APC makes a Dual Feed AC swtich
 for this purpose.


 Thanks


 Faisal Imtiaz
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Gino Villarini
 Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 8:30 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Power Supply, how to?

 We have a reason for this, we design our sites with dual power work ease of
 work ...Side A and Side B.  Side A is connected to the UPS Plant, Side B to
 Utility.  In Case Of UPS failure, we are not out.



 Gino A. Villarini
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

 

 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Blair Davis
 Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 1:44 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Power Supply, how to?



 Yes, you could do this

 You will need to pick the right diode for the job.

 But what brings this on?

 I've had almost no PS failures that were not part of some major damage.
 (lightning, power co. problem...  480V on 110V line)

 If you are having many PS failures, you might look at the load vs the PS
 rating.  Don't forget the radio cards...



 CHUCK PROFITO wrote:

 OK guys, don't LOL, I'm just a farm boy, but...
 Why couldn't you put two power supplies together into one plug, then if one
 failed the other would do full duty. Would a diode inline on both stop a
 possible transformer shorting the other out or draining  the power from the
 good one?
 Can that work?

 Chuck Profito
 209-988-7388
 CV-ACCESS, INC
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Providing High Speed Broadband
 to Rural Central California

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of RickG
 Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 8:26 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Power Supply, how to?

 Why not use two power supplies, one on the dc jack and the other on the poe
 connection? -RickG

 On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 7:59 PM, Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:


Hello all

Im looking for a way to add redundant power to my mikrotik routers
 at
the towers,  The routers have a DC jack, so im looking for options..

Anything available? Or would I have to make my own?

Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145






 
 
 


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Re: [WISPA] Dual Power Supply, how to?

2008-10-24 Thread Gino Villarini
Yeah, but the whole idea is to have every device with dual inputs

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Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 10:20 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Power Supply, how to?

 
Just a quick follow up.

A quick search of the internet shows up a lot of devices.
(APC makes a few different types).
These are either called Dual AC Automatic Transfer Switch.
Or depending on your voltage needs, you could modify an  Dual AC power
supply module for Computer 
Or find a AC to DC rack mount powersupplies used in Telco's .
They are typically modular but big and heavy.

Many options.

Faisal Imtiaz
Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 10:02 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Power Supply, how to?

Depending on how your sites are designed, APC makes a Dual Feed AC
swtich
for this purpose.


Thanks 


Faisal Imtiaz
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 8:30 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Power Supply, how to?

We have a reason for this, we design our sites with dual power work ease
of
work ...Side A and Side B.  Side A is connected to the UPS Plant, Side B
to
Utility.  In Case Of UPS failure, we are not out.

 

Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145 



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Blair Davis
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 1:44 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Power Supply, how to?

 

Yes, you could do this

You will need to pick the right diode for the job.

But what brings this on?  

I've had almost no PS failures that were not part of some major damage.
(lightning, power co. problem...  480V on 110V line)

If you are having many PS failures, you might look at the load vs the PS
rating.  Don't forget the radio cards...



CHUCK PROFITO wrote: 

OK guys, don't LOL, I'm just a farm boy, but...
Why couldn't you put two power supplies together into one plug, then if
one
failed the other would do full duty. Would a diode inline on both stop a
possible transformer shorting the other out or draining  the power from
the
good one? 
Can that work?
 
Chuck Profito
209-988-7388
CV-ACCESS, INC
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Providing High Speed Broadband
to Rural Central California
 
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 8:26 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Power Supply, how to?
 
Why not use two power supplies, one on the dc jack and the other on the
poe
connection? -RickG
 
On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 7:59 PM, Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:
  

Hello all
 
Im looking for a way to add redundant power to my mikrotik
routers
at
the towers,  The routers have a DC jack, so im looking for
options..
 
Anything available? Or would I have to make my own?
 
Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145
 
 
 
 





  

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Re: [WISPA] Dual Power Supply, how to?

2008-10-24 Thread Josh Luthman
Not necessarily - your goal is to keep it powered 100% of the time.  What
part seems to go bad for you most of the time?  The power supply, PoE, DC
jack, power company/UPS unit?

If the power supply on the board goes bad you're SOL, sorry.  You'll have to
find another product.

If the PoE or DC jack goes back, you need to get both of them powered.

If you have the power company and UPS go bad find a second source of power
(generator?).

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
--- Henry Spencer


On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 10:38 AM, Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Yeah, but the whole idea is to have every device with dual inputs

 Gino A. Villarini
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
 Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 10:20 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Power Supply, how to?


 Just a quick follow up.

 A quick search of the internet shows up a lot of devices.
 (APC makes a few different types).
 These are either called Dual AC Automatic Transfer Switch.
 Or depending on your voltage needs, you could modify an  Dual AC power
 supply module for Computer
 Or find a AC to DC rack mount powersupplies used in Telco's .
 They are typically modular but big and heavy.

 Many options.

 Faisal Imtiaz
 Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
 Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 10:02 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Power Supply, how to?

 Depending on how your sites are designed, APC makes a Dual Feed AC
 swtich
 for this purpose.


 Thanks


 Faisal Imtiaz
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Gino Villarini
 Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 8:30 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Power Supply, how to?

 We have a reason for this, we design our sites with dual power work ease
 of
 work ...Side A and Side B.  Side A is connected to the UPS Plant, Side B
 to
 Utility.  In Case Of UPS failure, we are not out.



 Gino A. Villarini
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

 

 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Blair Davis
 Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 1:44 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Power Supply, how to?



 Yes, you could do this

 You will need to pick the right diode for the job.

 But what brings this on?

 I've had almost no PS failures that were not part of some major damage.
 (lightning, power co. problem...  480V on 110V line)

 If you are having many PS failures, you might look at the load vs the PS
 rating.  Don't forget the radio cards...



 CHUCK PROFITO wrote:

 OK guys, don't LOL, I'm just a farm boy, but...
 Why couldn't you put two power supplies together into one plug, then if
 one
 failed the other would do full duty. Would a diode inline on both stop a
 possible transformer shorting the other out or draining  the power from
 the
 good one?
 Can that work?

 Chuck Profito
 209-988-7388
 CV-ACCESS, INC
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Providing High Speed Broadband
 to Rural Central California

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of RickG
 Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 8:26 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Power Supply, how to?

 Why not use two power supplies, one on the dc jack and the other on the
 poe
 connection? -RickG

 On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 7:59 PM, Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:


Hello all

Im looking for a way to add redundant power to my mikrotik
 routers
 at
the towers,  The routers have a DC jack, so im looking for
 options..

Anything available? Or would I have to make my own?

Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145






 
 
 


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Re: [WISPA] Dual Power Supply, how to?

2008-10-24 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
I would agree, it is very easy to go overboard and over engineer to the n'th
degree, however if you do that you will find that you would be introducing
more elements which would cause a negative effect.

E.g. Heat and power consumption...

Coming for the wired world, where only now folks have started to pay
attention to power comsumption and heat generation as being a bad thing.. I
consistently amazed to see some very 'powerful' wireless equipment working
with a 'wall wart'... It takes a bit for it to sync indue to the low
power consumption that is all what is needed..


Moral of the story:  Very easy to get carried away and over engineer, but
doing it within reasonable limits is the right thing to do.

... Just me two cents..

BTW: I have one of the APC redundant power switches, purchased it, thinking
it would be a good thing to use... But never put it to use... Don't need it
in a Data center !

-:) 


Faisal Imtiaz
Computer Office Solutions Inc. /SnappyDSL.net
Ph: (305) 663-5518 x 232
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 10:42 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Power Supply, how to?

Not necessarily - your goal is to keep it powered 100% of the time.  What
part seems to go bad for you most of the time?  The power supply, PoE, DC
jack, power company/UPS unit?

If the power supply on the board goes bad you're SOL, sorry.  You'll have to
find another product.

If the PoE or DC jack goes back, you need to get both of them powered.

If you have the power company and UPS go bad find a second source of power
(generator?).

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
--- Henry Spencer


On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 10:38 AM, Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Yeah, but the whole idea is to have every device with dual inputs

 Gino A. Villarini
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
 Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 10:20 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Power Supply, how to?


 Just a quick follow up.

 A quick search of the internet shows up a lot of devices.
 (APC makes a few different types).
 These are either called Dual AC Automatic Transfer Switch.
 Or depending on your voltage needs, you could modify an  Dual AC power 
 supply module for Computer Or find a AC to DC rack mount powersupplies 
 used in Telco's .
 They are typically modular but big and heavy.

 Many options.

 Faisal Imtiaz
 Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
 Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 10:02 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Power Supply, how to?

 Depending on how your sites are designed, APC makes a Dual Feed AC 
 swtich for this purpose.


 Thanks


 Faisal Imtiaz
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
 Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 8:30 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Power Supply, how to?

 We have a reason for this, we design our sites with dual power work 
 ease of work ...Side A and Side B.  Side A is connected to the UPS 
 Plant, Side B to Utility.  In Case Of UPS failure, we are not out.



 Gino A. Villarini
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

 

 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Blair Davis
 Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 1:44 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Power Supply, how to?



 Yes, you could do this

 You will need to pick the right diode for the job.

 But what brings this on?

 I've had almost no PS failures that were not part of some major damage.
 (lightning, power co. problem...  480V on 110V line)

 If you are having many PS failures, you might look at the load vs the PS
 rating.  Don't forget the radio cards...



 CHUCK PROFITO wrote:

 OK guys, don't LOL, I'm just a farm boy, but...
 Why couldn't you put two power supplies together into one plug, then if
 one
 failed the other would do full duty. Would a diode inline on both stop a
 possible transformer shorting the other out or draining  the power from
 the
 good one?
 Can that work?

 Chuck Profito
 209-988-7388
 CV-ACCESS, INC
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Providing High Speed Broadband
 to Rural Central California

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of RickG
 Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 8:26 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Power Supply, how to?

 Why not use two power supplies, one on the dc jack and the other

Re: [WISPA] Dual Power Supply, how to?

2008-10-24 Thread Josh Luthman
I'll take that APC off your hands, free of charge.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
--- Henry Spencer


On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 10:54 AM, Faisal Imtiaz [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 I would agree, it is very easy to go overboard and over engineer to the
 n'th
 degree, however if you do that you will find that you would be introducing
 more elements which would cause a negative effect.

 E.g. Heat and power consumption...

 Coming for the wired world, where only now folks have started to pay
 attention to power comsumption and heat generation as being a bad thing.. I
 consistently amazed to see some very 'powerful' wireless equipment working
 with a 'wall wart'... It takes a bit for it to sync indue to the low
 power consumption that is all what is needed..


 Moral of the story:  Very easy to get carried away and over engineer, but
 doing it within reasonable limits is the right thing to do.

 ... Just me two cents..

 BTW: I have one of the APC redundant power switches, purchased it, thinking
 it would be a good thing to use... But never put it to use... Don't need it
 in a Data center !

 -:)


 Faisal Imtiaz
 Computer Office Solutions Inc. /SnappyDSL.net
 Ph: (305) 663-5518 x 232
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 10:42 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Power Supply, how to?

 Not necessarily - your goal is to keep it powered 100% of the time.  What
 part seems to go bad for you most of the time?  The power supply, PoE, DC
 jack, power company/UPS unit?

 If the power supply on the board goes bad you're SOL, sorry.  You'll have
 to
 find another product.

 If the PoE or DC jack goes back, you need to get both of them powered.

 If you have the power company and UPS go bad find a second source of power
 (generator?).

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
 --- Henry Spencer


 On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 10:38 AM, Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

  Yeah, but the whole idea is to have every device with dual inputs
 
  Gino A. Villarini
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
  tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
  Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 10:20 AM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List'
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Power Supply, how to?
 
 
  Just a quick follow up.
 
  A quick search of the internet shows up a lot of devices.
  (APC makes a few different types).
  These are either called Dual AC Automatic Transfer Switch.
  Or depending on your voltage needs, you could modify an  Dual AC power
  supply module for Computer Or find a AC to DC rack mount powersupplies
  used in Telco's .
  They are typically modular but big and heavy.
 
  Many options.
 
  Faisal Imtiaz
  Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
  Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 10:02 AM
  To: 'WISPA General List'
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Power Supply, how to?
 
  Depending on how your sites are designed, APC makes a Dual Feed AC
  swtich for this purpose.
 
 
  Thanks
 
 
  Faisal Imtiaz
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
  Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 8:30 AM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Power Supply, how to?
 
  We have a reason for this, we design our sites with dual power work
  ease of work ...Side A and Side B.  Side A is connected to the UPS
  Plant, Side B to Utility.  In Case Of UPS failure, we are not out.
 
 
 
  Gino A. Villarini
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
  tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145
 
  
 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
  Behalf Of Blair Davis
  Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 1:44 AM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Power Supply, how to?
 
 
 
  Yes, you could do this
 
  You will need to pick the right diode for the job.
 
  But what brings this on?
 
  I've had almost no PS failures that were not part of some major damage.
  (lightning, power co. problem...  480V on 110V line)
 
  If you are having many PS failures, you might look at the load vs the PS
  rating.  Don't forget the radio cards...
 
 
 
  CHUCK PROFITO wrote:
 
  OK guys, don't LOL, I'm just a farm boy, but...
  Why couldn't you put two power supplies together into one plug, then if
  one
  failed the other would do full duty. Would a diode inline on both stop a
  possible transformer shorting the other out or draining  the power from

Re: [WISPA] Dual Power Supply, how to?

2008-10-24 Thread Eric Rogers
We currently use DC power supplies, but non-redundant
http://www.solaheviduty.com/products/powersupplies/sdp.htm.  We use
terminal strips to distribute the power.  For us to change, we just
replace the power supplies with this...
http://www.solaheviduty.com/products/powersupplies/sdnpred.htm.  That
has the rectifiers and diodes in place with LED status indicators to
show the status of the power.  Then you can put them in parallel and put
2 UPSs in place for failure and surge suppression.

Eric


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 10:18 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Power Supply, how to?

My experience has been less then perfect with APC.  The 19 rack ones
have
been pretty good but the small 7 amp, 11 amp, tiny desktop models have
gone
bad on me.  Those units die way too often =/

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
--- Henry Spencer


On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 10:02 AM, Faisal Imtiaz
[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 Depending on how your sites are designed, APC makes a Dual Feed AC
swtich
 for this purpose.


 Thanks


 Faisal Imtiaz
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On
 Behalf Of Gino Villarini
 Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 8:30 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Power Supply, how to?

 We have a reason for this, we design our sites with dual power work
ease of
 work ...Side A and Side B.  Side A is connected to the UPS Plant, Side
B to
 Utility.  In Case Of UPS failure, we are not out.



 Gino A. Villarini
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

 

 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On
 Behalf Of Blair Davis
 Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 1:44 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Power Supply, how to?



 Yes, you could do this

 You will need to pick the right diode for the job.

 But what brings this on?

 I've had almost no PS failures that were not part of some major
damage.
 (lightning, power co. problem...  480V on 110V line)

 If you are having many PS failures, you might look at the load vs the
PS
 rating.  Don't forget the radio cards...



 CHUCK PROFITO wrote:

 OK guys, don't LOL, I'm just a farm boy, but...
 Why couldn't you put two power supplies together into one plug, then
if one
 failed the other would do full duty. Would a diode inline on both stop
a
 possible transformer shorting the other out or draining  the power
from the
 good one?
 Can that work?

 Chuck Profito
 209-988-7388
 CV-ACCESS, INC
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Providing High Speed Broadband
 to Rural Central California

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On
 Behalf Of RickG
 Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 8:26 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Power Supply, how to?

 Why not use two power supplies, one on the dc jack and the other on
the poe
 connection? -RickG

 On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 7:59 PM, Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:


Hello all

Im looking for a way to add redundant power to my mikrotik
routers
 at
the towers,  The routers have a DC jack, so im looking for
options..

Anything available? Or would I have to make my own?

Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145








 
 


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Re: [WISPA] Dual Power Supply, how to?

2008-10-24 Thread RickG
Nope, I already tested it. -RickG

On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 1:08 AM, Josh Luthman
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I am no electrician by any means but I think using both the DC jack and PoE,
 technically speaking, would freak the board's power supply out.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
 --- Henry Spencer


 On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 12:33 AM, CHUCK PROFITO [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 OK guys, don't LOL, I'm just a farm boy, but...
 Why couldn't you put two power supplies together into one plug, then if one
 failed the other would do full duty. Would a diode inline on both stop a
 possible transformer shorting the other out or draining  the power from the
 good one?
 Can that work?

 Chuck Profito
 209-988-7388
 CV-ACCESS, INC
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Providing High Speed Broadband
 to Rural Central California

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of RickG
 Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 8:26 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Power Supply, how to?

 Why not use two power supplies, one on the dc jack and the other on
 the poe connection? -RickG

 On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 7:59 PM, Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hello all
 
  Im looking for a way to add redundant power to my mikrotik routers at
  the towers,  The routers have a DC jack, so im looking for options..
 
  Anything available? Or would I have to make my own?
 
  Gino A. Villarini
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
  tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145
 
 
 
 

 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Dual Power Supply, how to?

2008-10-23 Thread Jason Hodge
http://power.tyco.com or http://www.eltekvalere.com are standard devices we us 
in our DC installs.

J Hodge
krugercomm.com
847.961.3105

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 6:59 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] Dual Power Supply, how to?

Hello all

Im looking for a way to add redundant power to my mikrotik routers at
the towers,  The routers have a DC jack, so im looking for options..

Anything available? Or would I have to make my own?

Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
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Re: [WISPA] Dual Power Supply, how to?

2008-10-23 Thread Josh Luthman
You'll need a board with dual power supplies.  I believe powerrouter
has a model but anything x86 with that feature works :)



On 10/23/08, Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello all

 Im looking for a way to add redundant power to my mikrotik routers at
 the towers,  The routers have a DC jack, so im looking for options..

 Anything available? Or would I have to make my own?

 Gino A. Villarini
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145



 
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Re: [WISPA] Dual Power Supply, how to?

2008-10-23 Thread RickG
Why not use two power supplies, one on the dc jack and the other on
the poe connection? -RickG

On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 7:59 PM, Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello all

 Im looking for a way to add redundant power to my mikrotik routers at
 the towers,  The routers have a DC jack, so im looking for options..

 Anything available? Or would I have to make my own?

 Gino A. Villarini
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145



 
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Re: [WISPA] Dual Power Supply, how to?

2008-10-23 Thread CHUCK PROFITO
OK guys, don't LOL, I'm just a farm boy, but...
Why couldn't you put two power supplies together into one plug, then if one
failed the other would do full duty. Would a diode inline on both stop a
possible transformer shorting the other out or draining  the power from the
good one? 
Can that work?

Chuck Profito
209-988-7388
CV-ACCESS, INC
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Providing High Speed Broadband 
to Rural Central California

-Original Message-
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Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 8:26 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Power Supply, how to?

Why not use two power supplies, one on the dc jack and the other on
the poe connection? -RickG

On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 7:59 PM, Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello all

 Im looking for a way to add redundant power to my mikrotik routers at
 the towers,  The routers have a DC jack, so im looking for options..

 Anything available? Or would I have to make my own?

 Gino A. Villarini
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145






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Re: [WISPA] Dual Power Supply, how to?

2008-10-23 Thread Josh Luthman
I am no electrician by any means but I think using both the DC jack and PoE,
technically speaking, would freak the board's power supply out.

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On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 12:33 AM, CHUCK PROFITO [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 OK guys, don't LOL, I'm just a farm boy, but...
 Why couldn't you put two power supplies together into one plug, then if one
 failed the other would do full duty. Would a diode inline on both stop a
 possible transformer shorting the other out or draining  the power from the
 good one?
 Can that work?

 Chuck Profito
 209-988-7388
 CV-ACCESS, INC
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Providing High Speed Broadband
 to Rural Central California

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of RickG
 Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 8:26 PM
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Power Supply, how to?

 Why not use two power supplies, one on the dc jack and the other on
 the poe connection? -RickG

 On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 7:59 PM, Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hello all
 
  Im looking for a way to add redundant power to my mikrotik routers at
  the towers,  The routers have a DC jack, so im looking for options..
 
  Anything available? Or would I have to make my own?
 
  Gino A. Villarini
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
  tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145
 
 
 
 

 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Dual Power Supply, how to?

2008-10-23 Thread Blair Davis




Yes, you could do this

You will need to pick the right diode for the job.

But what brings this on? 

I've had almost no PS failures that were not part of some major
damage. (lightning, power co. problem... 480V on 110V line)

If you are having many PS failures, you might look at the load vs the
PS rating. Don't forget the radio cards...



CHUCK PROFITO wrote:

  OK guys, don't LOL, I'm just a farm boy, but...
Why couldn't you put two power supplies together into one plug, then if one
failed the other would do full duty. Would a diode inline on both stop a
possible transformer shorting the other out or draining  the power from the
good one? 
Can that work?

Chuck Profito
209-988-7388
CV-ACCESS, INC
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Providing High Speed Broadband 
to Rural Central California

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 8:26 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Power Supply, how to?

Why not use two power supplies, one on the dc jack and the other on
the poe connection? -RickG

On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 7:59 PM, Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  
Hello all

Im looking for a way to add redundant power to my mikrotik routers at
the towers,  The routers have a DC jack, so im looking for options..

Anything available? Or would I have to make my own?

Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145





  
  

  
  
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