Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Books/Study Materials
On 11/28/2012 9:47 PM, Butch Evans wrote: On Wed, 2012-11-28 at 15:46 -0500, Blair Davis wrote: Learn RouterOS. By Dennis out at Link Technologies A better book, IMO, is this one: http://www.amazon.com/RouterOS-by-Example-ebook/dp/B006U3MP7W for kindle andhttp://www.learnmikrotik.com/index.php/get-the-book.html for the paper. So, what I guess I'm hearing is that the two obvious book options on amazon are more or less the *only* two options. I Have read some of ROS by Example, and while I'm sure it's a fantastic book for some purposes, it's not really what I'm looking for (contains lots of motivational speak, contains lots of winbox screenies, doesn't appear to cover the CLI, and doesn't give an in depth view of the technologies). The other book gets a couple of really bad reviews, but I'll certainly download the kindle sample and read it. Anyone have any info on the videos that Dennis is selling? Looking at them, I can't even tell how long each is or what topics are covered in each, etc. Thanks again, TD ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Books/Study Materials
The complete library is around 24 hours of video. most are around 2 hours... On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 9:43 AM, Tim Densmore tdensm...@tarpit.cybermesa.com wrote: On 11/28/2012 9:47 PM, Butch Evans wrote: On Wed, 2012-11-28 at 15:46 -0500, Blair Davis wrote: Learn RouterOS. By Dennis out at Link Technologies A better book, IMO, is this one: http://www.amazon.com/RouterOS-by-Example-ebook/dp/B006U3MP7W for kindle andhttp://www.learnmikrotik.com/index.php/get-the-book.html for the paper. So, what I guess I'm hearing is that the two obvious book options on amazon are more or less the *only* two options. I Have read some of ROS by Example, and while I'm sure it's a fantastic book for some purposes, it's not really what I'm looking for (contains lots of motivational speak, contains lots of winbox screenies, doesn't appear to cover the CLI, and doesn't give an in depth view of the technologies). The other book gets a couple of really bad reviews, but I'll certainly download the kindle sample and read it. Anyone have any info on the videos that Dennis is selling? Looking at them, I can't even tell how long each is or what topics are covered in each, etc. Thanks again, TD ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- *Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer** Author of Learn RouterOS- Second Edition http://www.wlan1.com/product_p/mikrotik%20book-2.htm” Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net – *Skype*: linktechs * **-- Create Wireless Coverage’s with *www.towercoverage.com* **– 900Mhz – LTE – 3G – 3.65 – TV Whitespace ** * ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Books/Study Materials
My experience...I haven't found any paper that gets you started. The GUI and CLI are nearly identical in structure, though. I knew a little bit but it wasn't until after I took Butch's MT class I really got into MT. Butch has a basic and advanced course. You will want to ask which is better for you, but I think it sounds like you want advanced. Also try mikro...@mail.butchevans.com for MT stuff. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 3:06 PM, Tim Densmore tdensm...@tarpit.cybermesa.com wrote: Hi Folks, Hopefully this isn't too far off subject for this list. I want to start learning a little more about mikrotik, but I'm having trouble finding good study resources. I've looked at the wiki, and while good, it's more of a cookbook than a tech-pub, at least IMO. I don't want How to replace your linksys with an MT and don't need a lot of extra text to slog through that's mostly present to keep me engaged/motivated. I'm very used to reading Cisco's doc-cd (or whatever they're calling it these days) and honestly prefer technically rich but direct and to the point. I'd also prefer CLI examples rather than looking at rescaled screenies from winbox. Does such a beast exist? If not, what's the standard way to delve in to ROS? As an example of what I'm running up against, I'll use queuing. I use DSCP markings on the network I manage to differentiate traffic. I was stunned to discover that MT (apparently) can't simply match existing DSCP markings and act on them, but instead requires me to match them, give them some internal packet mark, and then act on those non-DSCP markings. I wanted to better understand what was really going on inside the router, and wanted to verify that what I thought I understood was really the case. I read the wiki pages on HTB and Queues, but I still don't truly understand how to guarantee, say EF tagged traffic, a certain amount of bandwidth other than limit-at= and a higher relative priority setting (priority=1?). But is that single queue enough, or do I also need to create what in cisco-land would be class-default? TBH, I still don't even understand how and what MT uses internally to mark packets with tags like VoipTraffic or whatever. Obviously the packet isn't being marked with an ascii string... Ideas? Better place to ask this? Thanks! TD ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Books/Study Materials
Learn RouterOS. http://www.wlan1.com/product_p/mikrotik%20book-2.htm By Dennis out at Link Technologies Was useful for me. -- On 11/28/2012 3:06 PM, Tim Densmore wrote: Hi Folks, Hopefully this isn't too far off subject for this list. I want to start learning a little more about mikrotik, but I'm having trouble finding good study resources. I've looked at the wiki, and while good, it's more of a cookbook than a tech-pub, at least IMO. I don't want "How to replace your linksys with an MT" and don't need a lot of extra text to slog through that's mostly present to keep me engaged/motivated. I'm very used to reading Cisco's doc-cd (or whatever they're calling it these days) and honestly prefer technically rich but direct and to the point. I'd also prefer CLI examples rather than looking at rescaled screenies from winbox. Does such a beast exist? If not, what's the standard way to delve in to ROS? As an example of what I'm running up against, I'll use queuing. I use DSCP markings on the network I manage to differentiate traffic. I was stunned to discover that MT (apparently) can't simply match existing DSCP markings and act on them, but instead requires me to match them, give them some internal packet mark, and then act on those non-DSCP markings. I wanted to better understand what was really going on inside the router, and wanted to verify that what I thought I understood was really the case. I read the wiki pages on HTB and Queues, but I still don't truly understand how to guarantee, say EF tagged traffic, a certain amount of bandwidth other than limit-at= and a higher relative priority setting (priority=1?). But is that single queue enough, or do I also need to create what in cisco-land would be "class-default?" TBH, I still don't even understand how and what MT uses internally to "mark" packets with tags like "VoipTraffic" or whatever. Obviously the packet isn't being marked with an ascii string... Ideas? Better place to ask this? Thanks! TD ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- West Michigan Wireless ISP Allegan, Michigan 49010 269-686-8648 A Division of: Camp Communication Services, INC ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Books/Study Materials
On Wed, 2012-11-28 at 15:46 -0500, Blair Davis wrote: Learn RouterOS. By Dennis out at Link Technologies A better book, IMO, is this one: http://www.amazon.com/RouterOS-by-Example-ebook/dp/B006U3MP7W for kindle and http://www.learnmikrotik.com/index.php/get-the-book.html for the paper. -- * Butch Evans* Professional Network Consultation * * http://www.butchevans.com/ * Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE!* * NOTE THE NEW PHONE NUMBER: 702-537-0979 * ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Books/Study Materials
I have both books: RouterOS by example, and Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 10:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Books/Study Materials On Wed, 2012-11-28 at 15:46 -0500, Blair Davis wrote: Learn RouterOS. By Dennis out at Link Technologies A better book, IMO, is this one: http://www.amazon.com/RouterOS-by-Example-ebook/dp/B006U3MP7W for kindle and http://www.learnmikrotik.com/index.php/get-the-book.html for the paper. -- * Butch Evans* Professional Network Consultation * * http://www.butchevans.com/ * Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE!* * NOTE THE NEW PHONE NUMBER: 702-537-0979 * ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Books/Study Materials
What do you think about the latter? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Nov 29, 2012 12:13 AM, Joe Miller joe.mil...@dslbyair.com wrote: I have both books: RouterOS by example, and Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 10:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Books/Study Materials On Wed, 2012-11-28 at 15:46 -0500, Blair Davis wrote: Learn RouterOS. By Dennis out at Link Technologies A better book, IMO, is this one: http://www.amazon.com/RouterOS-by-Example-ebook/dp/B006U3MP7W for kindle and http://www.learnmikrotik.com/index.php/get-the-book.html for the paper. -- * Butch Evans* Professional Network Consultation * * http://www.butchevans.com/ * Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE!* * NOTE THE NEW PHONE NUMBER: 702-537-0979 * ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Books/Study Materials
The first book I have found works really well for someone who doesn't know Mikrotik at all. That is why I bought the book. Now that I have learned a lot from the first book, I stumbed across the Learn RouterOS at the MUM in New Orleans. I also talked with the author of the book Dennis Burgess. He and Jim Patient are both on this list. They are a good group of guys. Anyway, After having some knowledge with the first book, the second one got me farther into the weeds on how things work. Both books are good reads. Buy them both. You cannot go wrong. Joe Miller www.dslbyair.com www.facebook.com/dslbyair 228-831-8881 From: Josh Luthman [mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 11:17 PM To: WISPA General List; Joe Miller Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Books/Study Materials What do you think about the latter? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Nov 29, 2012 12:13 AM, Joe Miller joe.mil...@dslbyair.com wrote: I have both books: RouterOS by example, and Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 10:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Books/Study Materials On Wed, 2012-11-28 at 15:46 -0500, Blair Davis wrote: Learn RouterOS. By Dennis out at Link Technologies A better book, IMO, is this one: http://www.amazon.com/RouterOS-by-Example-ebook/dp/B006U3MP7W for kindle and http://www.learnmikrotik.com/index.php/get-the-book.html for the paper. -- * Butch Evans* Professional Network Consultation * * http://www.butchevans.com/ * Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE!* * NOTE THE NEW PHONE NUMBER: 702-537-0979 * ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
