Re: [WISPA] Providing data to NTIA for Broadband mapping?
All I can say is 1) With Contracts at $5 million dollars per state, and multiple states, Connected NAtions sure as heck should have skilled staff and reliable flexible methods, with that much money thown at it. No disrespect meant, just stating, thats a lot of money. 2) Its good to hear that Connected Nation has taken such positive steps in their efforts on mapping. . Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Spann, Chip To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 2:18 PM Subject: [WISPA] Providing data to NTIA for Broadband mapping? Connected Nation employs actual wireless engineers, most of whom have 25+ years of experience in EBS, BRS, WCS, AWS, LMDS, PCS and unlicensed wireless bands. Most of us have also been WISPs ourselves and, to that end, we understand your business quite well. Radio Mobile is one of the propagation modeling tools we use but we also have 5 licensed copies of EDX Signal and Signal Pro. We have tested and used MapInfo, CelPlan, Splat and more than a dozen other wireless propagation modeling tools. Mr. Webster states that his methodology is easy to use and understand. Some states have neither methodology nor staff for addressing fixed wireless. Perhaps our methodology is more complex yet, at the end of the day, state mapping agents are required to effectively deliver the same product to NTIA. I head up the fixed wireless and mobile wireless user group at NTIA and have a published white paper explaining our rather long, but exceptionally detailed, methodology and would be happy to share it with this group upon request. Finally, some mapping agents (like our company) go beyond simply creating a theoretical propagation model - we do conduct static field tests and compile data at hundreds of points during drive tests. Last year we drove over 100,000 miles last year, spectrum analyzer and CPE in hand, conducting tests and using the data to refine our propagation models. However, nothing is as important than the relationship between the mapping agent and the WISP. In the states where we are engaged, we spend a great deal of time talking to and working with the WISPs so that we have a keen understanding of their system BEFORE we create propagation models. Charles Chip Spann Director - Engineering Technical Services Connected Nation (270) 799-0448 csp...@connectednation.org -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Providing data to NTIA for Broadband mapping?
Talk to Brian Webster. He is a subcontractor for the Illinois mapping effort. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/3/2011 8:54 AM, Bret Clark wrote: So, like many of you, we're being asked to provide data to NTIA for broadband mapping, but as a private company I'm rather bothered by the confidential information they are asking for. They want to know such things as our spectrum use, antenna locations, antenna types, etc. so they can model our coverage area (something we already do with Radio Mobile). We tried for stimulas money, but got rejected so to be honest I have little interest in providing this information, not to mention having the data used by our competitors. I'm wondering how others felt about providing this information? Thanks Bret Spectra Access 25 Lowell Street, Manchester, NH 03101 www.spectraaccess.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Providing data to NTIA for Broadband mapping?
I have no problem providing them with my coverage maps, but when I gave some of the requested data to Indiana, their maps were not so accurate. At least Indiana allows us to provide maps rather than all the data. On 8/3/2011 9:54 AM, Bret Clark wrote: So, like many of you, we're being asked to provide data to NTIA for broadband mapping, but as a private company I'm rather bothered by the confidential information they are asking for. They want to know such things as our spectrum use, antenna locations, antenna types, etc. so they can model our coverage area (something we already do with Radio Mobile). We tried for stimulas money, but got rejected so to be honest I have little interest in providing this information, not to mention having the data used by our competitors. I'm wondering how others felt about providing this information? Thanks Bret Spectra Access 25 Lowell Street, Manchester, NH 03101 www.spectraaccess.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 (765) 439-4253 (855) 231-6239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Providing data to NTIA for Broadband mapping?
I still don't understand why someone *wouldn't* be open to this. If the NTIA is asking for your info, and granted none of it is that confidential (especially if you use unlicensed), it is so they know where access is and isn't. When the maps are drawn and your info wasn't supplied, there will be a big hole in that area. When they go to hand out money, they will give it to someone to fill that gap. Excuse me for being naive, but I honestly don't understand why someone would purposefully set themselves up to get walked in on by competition, especially federally funded competition. Can someone enlighten me? -drew On Aug 3, 2011, at 9:36 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: Talk to Brian Webster. He is a subcontractor for the Illinois mapping effort. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/3/2011 8:54 AM, Bret Clark wrote: So, like many of you, we're being asked to provide data to NTIA for broadband mapping, but as a private company I'm rather bothered by the confidential information they are asking for. They want to know such things as our spectrum use, antenna locations, antenna types, etc. so they can model our coverage area (something we already do with Radio Mobile). We tried for stimulas money, but got rejected so to be honest I have little interest in providing this information, not to mention having the data used by our competitors. I'm wondering how others felt about providing this information? Thanks Bret Spectra Access 25 Lowell Street, Manchester, NH 03101 www.spectraaccess.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Providing data to NTIA for Broadband mapping?
At 8/3/2011 09:54 AM, Bret Clark wrote: So, like many of you, we're being asked to provide data to NTIA for broadband mapping, but as a private company I'm rather bothered by the confidential information they are asking for. They want to know such things as our spectrum use, antenna locations, antenna types, etc. so they can model our coverage area (something we already do with Radio Mobile). We tried for stimulas money, but got rejected so to be honest I have little interest in providing this information, not to mention having the data used by our competitors. I'm wondering how others felt about providing this information? Just to throw some more gas onto a fire, there is another possible reason why at least some of this data should be provided to the feds, quickly. Specifically, coverage data. The big ILECs have put together yet another Universal Service and Intercarrier Compensation reform proposal. It's not as if the FCC hasn't gone out for Comments on this 10-year-old docket at least five times, but another round is expected to open this month! The ATT-Verizon- CenturyLink-Fairpoint-Windstream-Frontier (ABC plan) proposal phases out common carriage USF over several years, at least the smaller portions paid to them (the large Price Cap Carriers), though the rural Rate of Return Carriers would keep it longer. In its stead, a Connect America Fund (CAF) subsidizes the provision of unregulated non-common carrier information service by a single provider. One detail of the proposal is that CAF will be awarded to one provider for any census block that is unserved as of 1/1/2012. If an unsubsidized competitor serves the area beginning next year, it doesn't count, and CAF will be used to subsidize its ILEC (or one other, but you know it will always be the ILEC) competitor. If however a non-USF-receiving provider can document service this year, then it is not going to get CAF. The actual 1/1/2012 date may be subject to change, of course, especially since the FCC can't actually enact new rules that quickly. (For the past decade and change, their policy has been kick the can to your successor.) But they could go ahead with something like this (letter of the law notwtihstanding, since law no loger counts for much here) and thus having your maps submitted by the deadline may prevent you from being run out of town by a subsidy whore. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Providing data to NTIA for Broadband mapping?
On 08/03/2011 10:51 AM, Fred Goldstein wrote: But they could go ahead with something like this (letter of the law notwtihstanding, since law no loger counts for much here) and thus having your maps submitted by the deadline may prevent you from being run out of town by a subsidy whore. Well, if it stops a subsidy whore (I like that term :) from coming into my location, I can buy that as a reason for providing the data. Bret WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Providing data to NTIA for Broadband mapping?
They don't need the how we do it part. Model numbers of equipment, etc., just are not necessary for what they are trying to accomplish. Neither are frequency bands, etc. What they need is coverage data, which I agree is important to provide, but no one else needs to know how I provide it. On 8/3/2011 10:50 AM, Drew Lentz wrote: I still don't understand why someone *wouldn't* be open to this. If the NTIA is asking for your info, and granted none of it is that confidential (especially if you use unlicensed), it is so they know where access is and isn't. When the maps are drawn and your info wasn't supplied, there will be a big hole in that area. When they go to hand out money, they will give it to someone to fill that gap. Excuse me for being naive, but I honestly don't understand why someone would purposefully set themselves up to get walked in on by competition, especially federally funded competition. Can someone enlighten me? -drew On Aug 3, 2011, at 9:36 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: Talk to Brian Webster. He is a subcontractor for the Illinois mapping effort. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/3/2011 8:54 AM, Bret Clark wrote: So, like many of you, we're being asked to provide data to NTIA for broadband mapping, but as a private company I'm rather bothered by the confidential information they are asking for. They want to know such things as our spectrum use, antenna locations, antenna types, etc. so they can model our coverage area (something we already do with Radio Mobile). We tried for stimulas money, but got rejected so to be honest I have little interest in providing this information, not to mention having the data used by our competitors. I'm wondering how others felt about providing this information? Thanks Bret Spectra Access 25 Lowell Street, Manchester, NH 03101 www.spectraaccess.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 (765) 439-4253 (855) 231-6239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
