Re: [WISPA] Waverider Vs Alvarion VL 900

2009-09-29 Thread Cameron Kilton
So far, I'm a huge fan of the Alvarion VL 900. The latest revision is
much better than the original release. Speeds are quite impressive. We
have not tested it yet, but supposed to do up to 8mbit in a 5mhz
channel. Assuming you get a real clean channel.

-Cameron

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of my_em...@webjogger.net
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 5:24 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Waverider Vs Alvarion VL 900

Hi,

We're planning to upgrade a lot of our 900MHz equipment which is 
currently predominantly Alvarion Breeze Access 900. The main goal is to 
provide the customer with better speeds

The 2 options I'm considering are Alvarion VL900 and Waverider CCU8000

I was wondering if anyone has experience with using both of these 
radios, and if so, all considered which one do you think is generally 
better?

Thanks,

-- 
Jon Roux
Webjogger Internet Services
http://www.webjogger.net
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Re: [WISPA] Waverider Vs Alvarion VL 900

2009-09-29 Thread Ron Calhoun
The last I check waverider was claiming their ccu8000 would push
13mbps. I have used the CCU8000 with the eum8000 and was only able to
pull a 4mb test from the ccu.
At that point the customer was thrilled. 4mbps beats dialup any day.
But the point remains that I was only able to get 4mbps.
On a side note if you are considering Waverider equipment. Invest in
rubber tape and dielectric grease. I have a whole shed full of dead
radios because water got into the ethernet connector.

Good luck,
Ron

On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Cameron Kilton c...@midcoast.com wrote:
 So far, I'm a huge fan of the Alvarion VL 900. The latest revision is
 much better than the original release. Speeds are quite impressive. We
 have not tested it yet, but supposed to do up to 8mbit in a 5mhz
 channel. Assuming you get a real clean channel.

 -Cameron

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of my_em...@webjogger.net
 Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 5:24 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Waverider Vs Alvarion VL 900

 Hi,

 We're planning to upgrade a lot of our 900MHz equipment which is
 currently predominantly Alvarion Breeze Access 900. The main goal is to
 provide the customer with better speeds

 The 2 options I'm considering are Alvarion VL900 and Waverider CCU8000

 I was wondering if anyone has experience with using both of these
 radios, and if so, all considered which one do you think is generally
 better?

 Thanks,

 --
 Jon Roux
 Webjogger Internet Services
 http://www.webjogger.net
 845.757.4000




 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Waverider Vs Alvarion VL 900

2009-09-29 Thread Cameron Kilton
The Ethernet setup for the Alvarion VL is nice same as other VL units.
However the SU-VL-900 units only come in a SU-E form required the use of
external antenna. I'm fine with this, but one thing to keep in mind. I
hope the will have the option for the future with a built in 9 or 10dbi
antenna but for now, just external.

-Cameron

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Ron Calhoun
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 11:04 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Waverider Vs Alvarion VL 900

The last I check waverider was claiming their ccu8000 would push
13mbps. I have used the CCU8000 with the eum8000 and was only able to
pull a 4mb test from the ccu.
At that point the customer was thrilled. 4mbps beats dialup any day.
But the point remains that I was only able to get 4mbps.
On a side note if you are considering Waverider equipment. Invest in
rubber tape and dielectric grease. I have a whole shed full of dead
radios because water got into the ethernet connector.

Good luck,
Ron

On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Cameron Kilton c...@midcoast.com
wrote:
 So far, I'm a huge fan of the Alvarion VL 900. The latest revision is
 much better than the original release. Speeds are quite impressive. We
 have not tested it yet, but supposed to do up to 8mbit in a 5mhz
 channel. Assuming you get a real clean channel.

 -Cameron

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
 Behalf Of my_em...@webjogger.net
 Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 5:24 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Waverider Vs Alvarion VL 900

 Hi,

 We're planning to upgrade a lot of our 900MHz equipment which is
 currently predominantly Alvarion Breeze Access 900. The main goal is
to
 provide the customer with better speeds

 The 2 options I'm considering are Alvarion VL900 and Waverider CCU8000

 I was wondering if anyone has experience with using both of these
 radios, and if so, all considered which one do you think is generally
 better?

 Thanks,

 --
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 Webjogger Internet Services
 http://www.webjogger.net
 845.757.4000






 
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Re: [WISPA] Waverider Vs Alvarion VL 900

2009-09-29 Thread my_em...@webjogger.net
Most of the customer I'll be upgrading have external antennas already, 
so I'm hoping that upgrade process will be relatively easy by just 
changing the indoors radio. For new customers I think it's good that it 
has an external antenna anyway, because where we are there a lot of 
trees and very often we need use yagi antennas.

Thanks

-- 
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Webjogger Internet Services
http://www.webjogger.net
845.757.4000



Cameron Kilton wrote:
 The Ethernet setup for the Alvarion VL is nice same as other VL units.
 However the SU-VL-900 units only come in a SU-E form required the use of
 external antenna. I'm fine with this, but one thing to keep in mind. I
 hope the will have the option for the future with a built in 9 or 10dbi
 antenna but for now, just external.

 -Cameron

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Ron Calhoun
 Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 11:04 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Waverider Vs Alvarion VL 900

 The last I check waverider was claiming their ccu8000 would push
 13mbps. I have used the CCU8000 with the eum8000 and was only able to
 pull a 4mb test from the ccu.
 At that point the customer was thrilled. 4mbps beats dialup any day.
 But the point remains that I was only able to get 4mbps.
 On a side note if you are considering Waverider equipment. Invest in
 rubber tape and dielectric grease. I have a whole shed full of dead
 radios because water got into the ethernet connector.

 Good luck,
 Ron

 On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Cameron Kilton c...@midcoast.com
 wrote:
   
 So far, I'm a huge fan of the Alvarion VL 900. The latest revision is
 much better than the original release. Speeds are quite impressive. We
 have not tested it yet, but supposed to do up to 8mbit in a 5mhz
 channel. Assuming you get a real clean channel.

 -Cameron

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 
 On
   
 Behalf Of my_em...@webjogger.net
 Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 5:24 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Waverider Vs Alvarion VL 900

 Hi,

 We're planning to upgrade a lot of our 900MHz equipment which is
 currently predominantly Alvarion Breeze Access 900. The main goal is
 
 to
   
 provide the customer with better speeds

 The 2 options I'm considering are Alvarion VL900 and Waverider CCU8000

 I was wondering if anyone has experience with using both of these
 radios, and if so, all considered which one do you think is generally
 better?

 Thanks,

 --
 Jon Roux
 Webjogger Internet Services
 http://www.webjogger.net
 845.757.4000





 
 
   
 
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Re: [WISPA] Waverider Vs Alvarion VL 900

2009-09-29 Thread Cameron Kilton
I would act soon. Alvarion has a great special ending tomorrow. Buy one
AU get one Free. I just ordered 5 of them last week.

-Cameron

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of my_em...@webjogger.net
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 1:09 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Waverider Vs Alvarion VL 900

Most of the customer I'll be upgrading have external antennas already, 
so I'm hoping that upgrade process will be relatively easy by just 
changing the indoors radio. For new customers I think it's good that it 
has an external antenna anyway, because where we are there a lot of 
trees and very often we need use yagi antennas.

Thanks

-- 
Jon Roux
Webjogger Internet Services
http://www.webjogger.net
845.757.4000



Cameron Kilton wrote:
 The Ethernet setup for the Alvarion VL is nice same as other VL units.
 However the SU-VL-900 units only come in a SU-E form required the use
of
 external antenna. I'm fine with this, but one thing to keep in mind. I
 hope the will have the option for the future with a built in 9 or
10dbi
 antenna but for now, just external.

 -Cameron

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
 Behalf Of Ron Calhoun
 Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 11:04 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Waverider Vs Alvarion VL 900

 The last I check waverider was claiming their ccu8000 would push
 13mbps. I have used the CCU8000 with the eum8000 and was only able to
 pull a 4mb test from the ccu.
 At that point the customer was thrilled. 4mbps beats dialup any day.
 But the point remains that I was only able to get 4mbps.
 On a side note if you are considering Waverider equipment. Invest in
 rubber tape and dielectric grease. I have a whole shed full of dead
 radios because water got into the ethernet connector.

 Good luck,
 Ron

 On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Cameron Kilton c...@midcoast.com
 wrote:
   
 So far, I'm a huge fan of the Alvarion VL 900. The latest revision is
 much better than the original release. Speeds are quite impressive.
We
 have not tested it yet, but supposed to do up to 8mbit in a 5mhz
 channel. Assuming you get a real clean channel.

 -Cameron

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 
 On
   
 Behalf Of my_em...@webjogger.net
 Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 5:24 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Waverider Vs Alvarion VL 900

 Hi,

 We're planning to upgrade a lot of our 900MHz equipment which is
 currently predominantly Alvarion Breeze Access 900. The main goal is
 
 to
   
 provide the customer with better speeds

 The 2 options I'm considering are Alvarion VL900 and Waverider
CCU8000

 I was wondering if anyone has experience with using both of these
 radios, and if so, all considered which one do you think is generally
 better?

 Thanks,

 --
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 Webjogger Internet Services
 http://www.webjogger.net
 845.757.4000





 


   
 
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Re: [WISPA] Waverider Vs Alvarion VL 900

2009-09-29 Thread Tom DeReggi
I'd really like to hear some success stories from people using Name brand 
900Mhz OFDM, compared to non-OFDM..
Or more importantly, if anyone has had bad experience with Name brand 900Mhz 
OFDM, compared to non-OFDM..

I'd also like input from Name Brand OFDM 900Mhz manufacturers regarding what 
embedded filering they might have in their radios, to combat noise which is 
just about everywhere with 900Mhz.

 Let me explain

I recognize in a noise free environment, it likely works well, but I'm also 
concerned with the amount of after-rain fade 900Mhz has, and what that does 
to OFDM and higher QAM modulations that require higher SNR budgets.

Over the last 5 years, I of course have evaluated ALL non-OFDM 900Mhz 
products.
I've done most of my OFDM testing with ALL the OEM (Atheros mPCI) brand 
900Mhz products.
But I avoided spending the big bucks on Name brand OFDM gear, just to do 
Demos.

But in my Live Testing, I'm regularly running into quality issues with the 
Oem OFDM products, and the stories all end the same.  Eventually the final 
solution is I put a Trango DSSS 900Mhz sector in its place, and then I 
finally get consistent quality and gain a happy customer.  Since the 
beginning of time, Trango had always been a strong 900Mhz product to get 
the job done because its ability to work in high noise enviroments, due to 
its high quality built-in filtering, which is near equivelent to a Cavity 
Filter.   In my experience, I've successfully run quality Trango links at 
receive strengths lower than the scanned noise floor, where as with Atheros 
running at the noise floor is a formula for prompt dis-association and 
sporatic high latency, even w/ the spec sheet showing embedded filtering. 
At first, I questioned the OEM OS that included the Atheros, but I've seen 
similar results with all OEM OSes.  Please recognize these comments are not 
mean to bash any product or promote any specific product. We successfully 
use Atheros OEM systems in many locations also.

So what I'm trying to establish is...

Has my experience been fairly compairing DSSS to OFDM, or
Should the real comparison be about the difference between high quality gear 
versus low budget lower quality gear?

Is there an equivellent to a Trango 900Mhz (quality against noise), in OFDM?

Has anyone taken a challenging 900Mhz DSSS deployment 
(Canopy/Trango/First-gen Waverider) and successfully upgraded it to OFDM 
900Mhz with out loosing significant amount of customers and/or coverage?

And if so, Have you successfully been about to get three Horizonal sectors 
colocated? With Trango, we were able to get three horizontal sectors 
colocated, wth minimal self-interference as long as we used Titlek high 
quality antennas, and had about 10 feet min verticle seperation between 
them.  I see that it would be a tougher challenge to accomplish the same 
with OFDM that required higher SNR.

Sure the 900Mhz OFDM looks good on a spec sheet or likely good for PTP 
links, but now that its 6 months to a year down the road, whats the real 
world take for PtMP cell sites?


Tom DeReggi
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Re: [WISPA] Waverider Vs Alvarion VL 900

2009-09-29 Thread Chuck Bartosch
You shouldn't have to worry too much about the old product because I  
think they did a 100% field upgrade at no cost to owners of those AUs,  
right? You should still check, but I would hope it'd be unusual to  
find an upgraded unit for sale.

Chuck

On Sep 29, 2009, at 12:30 AM, Nick Huanca wrote:

 Hi Jon,

 We've had extensive experience with the VL900 product line, even  
 through its
 rough release to market. After Alvarion fixed their hardware and  
 software
 bugs I could recommend this product hands down based on our  
 experience.
 Beware of used equipment that may not operate *at all* in minimal  
 noise.
 There was a revision to the hardware on the AUs to remedy this.

 Thanks,
 --Nick Huanca

 On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 9:56 PM, Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.com 
 wrote:

 I have no experience with the Waverider equipment, but Alvarion's
 pretty darn good (and we do have experience with that).

 Chuck

 On Sep 28, 2009, at 5:24 PM, my_em...@webjogger.net wrote:

 Hi,

 We're planning to upgrade a lot of our 900MHz equipment which is
 currently predominantly Alvarion Breeze Access 900. The main goal is
 to
 provide the customer with better speeds

 The 2 options I'm considering are Alvarion VL900 and Waverider  
 CCU8000

 I was wondering if anyone has experience with using both of these
 radios, and if so, all considered which one do you think is  
 generally
 better?

 Thanks,

 --
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 Webjogger Internet Services
 http://www.webjogger.net
 845.757.4000





 
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Re: [WISPA] Waverider Vs Alvarion VL 900

2009-09-29 Thread cam
They have upgraded one of my older units as well. I have two more of the
older units left, thankfully they are in the air and in low noise areas, I
hope to have them upgraded soon just because.

-Cameron

 You shouldn't have to worry too much about the old product because I
 think they did a 100% field upgrade at no cost to owners of those AUs,
 right? You should still check, but I would hope it'd be unusual to
 find an upgraded unit for sale.

 Chuck

 On Sep 29, 2009, at 12:30 AM, Nick Huanca wrote:

 Hi Jon,

 We've had extensive experience with the VL900 product line, even
 through its
 rough release to market. After Alvarion fixed their hardware and
 software
 bugs I could recommend this product hands down based on our
 experience.
 Beware of used equipment that may not operate *at all* in minimal
 noise.
 There was a revision to the hardware on the AUs to remedy this.

 Thanks,
 --Nick Huanca

 On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 9:56 PM, Chuck Bartosch
 ch...@clarityconnect.com
 wrote:

 I have no experience with the Waverider equipment, but Alvarion's
 pretty darn good (and we do have experience with that).

 Chuck

 On Sep 28, 2009, at 5:24 PM, my_em...@webjogger.net wrote:

 Hi,

 We're planning to upgrade a lot of our 900MHz equipment which is
 currently predominantly Alvarion Breeze Access 900. The main goal is
 to
 provide the customer with better speeds

 The 2 options I'm considering are Alvarion VL900 and Waverider
 CCU8000

 I was wondering if anyone has experience with using both of these
 radios, and if so, all considered which one do you think is
 generally
 better?

 Thanks,

 --
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 845.757.4000





 
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Re: [WISPA] Waverider Vs Alvarion VL 900

2009-09-28 Thread Chuck Bartosch
I have no experience with the Waverider equipment, but Alvarion's  
pretty darn good (and we do have experience with that).

Chuck

On Sep 28, 2009, at 5:24 PM, my_em...@webjogger.net wrote:

 Hi,

 We're planning to upgrade a lot of our 900MHz equipment which is
 currently predominantly Alvarion Breeze Access 900. The main goal is  
 to
 provide the customer with better speeds

 The 2 options I'm considering are Alvarion VL900 and Waverider CCU8000

 I was wondering if anyone has experience with using both of these
 radios, and if so, all considered which one do you think is generally
 better?

 Thanks,

 -- 
 Jon Roux
 Webjogger Internet Services
 http://www.webjogger.net
 845.757.4000




 
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Re: [WISPA] waverider vs alvarion vl 900

2009-09-28 Thread Jeremie Chism
I had around 12 waverider lms8000 radios installed. They were a
nightmare. We had problems from day one and pulled all of them. Unless
they have made some changes I would stay away from them. Also the
dongle on the 8000's were a big problem.

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Re: [WISPA] Waverider Vs Alvarion VL 900

2009-09-28 Thread Nick Huanca
Hi Jon,

We've had extensive experience with the VL900 product line, even through its
rough release to market. After Alvarion fixed their hardware and software
bugs I could recommend this product hands down based on our experience.
Beware of used equipment that may not operate *at all* in minimal noise.
There was a revision to the hardware on the AUs to remedy this.

Thanks,
--Nick Huanca

On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 9:56 PM, Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.comwrote:

 I have no experience with the Waverider equipment, but Alvarion's
 pretty darn good (and we do have experience with that).

 Chuck

 On Sep 28, 2009, at 5:24 PM, my_em...@webjogger.net wrote:

  Hi,
 
  We're planning to upgrade a lot of our 900MHz equipment which is
  currently predominantly Alvarion Breeze Access 900. The main goal is
  to
  provide the customer with better speeds
 
  The 2 options I'm considering are Alvarion VL900 and Waverider CCU8000
 
  I was wondering if anyone has experience with using both of these
  radios, and if so, all considered which one do you think is generally
  better?
 
  Thanks,
 
  --
  Jon Roux
  Webjogger Internet Services
  http://www.webjogger.net
  845.757.4000
 
 
 
 
 
 
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 Ithaca, NY 14850
 (607) 257-8268

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 and water'd heaven with their tears,
 Did He smile, His work to see?
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