RE: Aruba vs HP vs Meraki
Philippe, Actually that looks like it could be an explosive environment. The Aruba AP-85 is designed to function in explosive environments. Bruce Osborne Liberty University -Original Message- From: Philippe Hanset [mailto:phan...@utk.edu] Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 3:57 PM Subject: Re: Aruba vs HP vs Meraki I always wondered what that WarDriving was all about. I get it now! Philippe, don't bother me or I rotate a Xirrus Array at you, and non of your porcupine will make it, Hanset p.s. This calls for a youtube video! On Apr 12, 2010, at 3:10 PM, Lee H Badman wrote: I did pick up a 1252 off of eBay, and filed it down so it fits my hand just right. I keep it under the seat of my truck... just in case things heat up. The only guy I worry about is someone who shows up with one of them big honkin' BelAir keg lookin' things. -Lee the Redneck -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU ] On Behalf Of Patrick Goggins Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 2:56 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Aruba vs HP vs Meraki I believe this would fall under the built-in theft deterrent feature. Patrick Goggins Network Administrator Carroll University -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU ] On Behalf Of Johnson, Bruce T. Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 8:04 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Aruba vs HP vs Meraki I'd bring the 1250 to a bar fight. It's more Medieval. Bruce T. Johnson | Partners Healthcare | Network Engineering 617.726.9662 | Pager: 31633 | bjohns...@partners.org -Original Message- From: Jeffrey Sessler [j...@scrippscollege.edu] Received: 4/11/10 10:27 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU [wireless-...@listserv.educause.edu ] Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Aruba vs HP vs Meraki And as Lee is swinging the 1142s, the song Eye of the Tiger would be playing, along with a slow-motion montage of various IT highlights from his career. :) Jeff Mike King m...@mpking.com 4/11/2010 5:46 PM On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 8:30 PM, Lee H Badman lhbad...@syr.edu wrote: If I have to take an AP to a bar fight, I'd want a Cisco to swing around, simply based on heft. Based on that line, I had two images pop in my mind: The first one was Lee Swinging two 1142n (one in each hand) like a ninja. Two was Cisco new Marketing campaign. If I have to take an AP to a bar fight, I'd want a Cisco ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/ . ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/ . The information in this e-mail is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. If you believe this e-mail was sent to you in error and the e-mail contains patient information, please contact the Partners Compliance HelpLine at http://www.partners.org/complianceline . If the e-mail was sent to you in error but does not contain patient information, please contact the sender and properly dispose of the e-mail. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/ . ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Aruba vs HP vs Meraki
On Fri, 2 Apr 2010, Ethan Sommer wrote: We are considering replacing our 200+ AP wireless infrastructure with a controller based 802.11n system. I believe we have narrowed it down to Aruba, HP Procurve (we use HP switch gear), and Meraki. I have two questions: 1. Are there any hidden costs we should watch out for with any of these (particularly Aruba.) Will we hit major costs other than the up front cost for the APs and the controllers? When we purchased some aruba gear the PEF was licensed by user. We ended up having to upgrade this license as usage increased. This is supposed to be changing in their new license model. 2. I know a lot of schools are very happily using Aruba, but I haven't heard of any schools using HP and very few using Meraki. Are there any schools who have gone with Aruba and regretted it? If so, why? No significant regrets. We have ~600 aruba waps and 3 m3 controllers. We have also deployed cisco and others over the years. I don't believe we have ever had a hardware failure of an aruba wap and few if any cisco wap failures. These units are installed in dorms, libraries, dining halls, labs, etc. I can't say that we go out of our way to install them in piles of lint, oily rags, or battle with them. If I was that concerned about the location I would use a protective enclosure. If a wifi-equipment-only battle breaks out I claim the vivato panel for a shield. Software stability, failover, and scaling top the list of my concerns when looking at a controller based solutions. When we deployed fat waps, a misbehaving unit only annoyed a small number of customers. A bad OS update to a controller can make for a lng day. Jason Are there any schools out there using HP Procurve (formerly Colubrius) or Merkai? What do you think of them? Did you have any surprises after you deployed? Ethan -- Ethan Sommer Associate Director of Core Services 507-933-7042 somm...@gustavus.edu ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. /* Jason Cash IT/Network and Systems Services University of Delaware, Newark Delaware e:c...@udel.edu v: 302-831-0461 */ ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Aruba vs HP vs Meraki
I think I'll finally chime in here. We have around 350+ Aruba APs with 10 controllers. I've upgraded the AOS every other version for the past 2 years, ~ 12 upgrades. I've never had an upgrade go bad on all 10 controllers. I've only had 1 AP NIC failure in that time as well. We have APs that are mounted in some of the dorms on the wall even and those haven't been destroyed or stolen. We have APs that sit in a garage and machine shop and work fine. We are primarily a Cisco shop for the rest of our networking equipment, but switched from Cisco fat APs to the Aruba's 3 years ago. Aruba releases software about once a month and it always has worked. I'm very glad we made the decision to go with Aruba based on the fact that I see people on this message board complaining that something doesn't work right with their cisco upgrade. Maybe more people have cisco than Aruba, I don't know. As for Meraki, the concept works in some cases, and I'm not sure what the educational costs are, but the cost of their APs as advertised and enterprise controller seems almost the same as Aruba. -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:wireless-...@listserv.educause.edu] On Behalf Of Jason S. Cash Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 8:32 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Aruba vs HP vs Meraki On Fri, 2 Apr 2010, Ethan Sommer wrote: We are considering replacing our 200+ AP wireless infrastructure with a controller based 802.11n system. I believe we have narrowed it down to Aruba, HP Procurve (we use HP switch gear), and Meraki. I have two questions: 1. Are there any hidden costs we should watch out for with any of these (particularly Aruba.) Will we hit major costs other than the up front cost for the APs and the controllers? 2. I know a lot of schools are very happily using Aruba, but I haven't heard of any schools using HP and very few using Meraki. Are there any schools who have gone with Aruba and regretted it? If so, why? Are there any schools out there using HP Procurve (formerly Colubrius) or Merkai? What do you think of them? Did you have any surprises after you deployed? Ethan -- Ethan Sommer Associate Director of Core Services 507-933-7042 somm...@gustavus.edu ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
802.11n configuration on Cisco
Ok. I had my controller tweaked to where I liked it, but I forgot to hit the save configuration settings button, and the controller got rebooted in my test lab. I've replicated my tweaks, (40 Mhz 802.11a channels, Client Link enabled on both bands, disabled 1, 2, 5.5, 6Mbps on the 802.11b/g band) But I only seem to be able to associate at 150Mbps and I'm about 15 feet away from the access point. I had 300 Mpbs before the reboot. What am I missing? Mike ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Aruba vs HP vs Meraki
I'll chime in as well, we have around 100 Aruba 121 (n) and 65(BGA) access points and two controllers. I won't talk about the ease of setup or the features as that has already been discussed ad-nausea... I'll just say this: not to knock Cisco, as they have never done me wrong, but Aruba support borders on precognition. They are genuinely concerned with the health and well being of their customers. This has happened to me twice, once we had a 802.1x machine authentication issue that turned out to be our fault. I mentioned the issue on a forum, Aruba contacted me, started a ticket and worked with me to resolve my issue. And just this week, I mentioned that I had had one access point die on me in the past year and I was again contacted by Aruba TAC, and was sent a replacement AP the very next day. Brilliant. -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:wireless-...@listserv.educause.edu] On Behalf Of gwill...@uccs.edu Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 8:07 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Aruba vs HP vs Meraki I think I'll finally chime in here. We have around 350+ Aruba APs with 10 controllers. I've upgraded the AOS every other version for the past 2 years, ~ 12 upgrades. I've never had an upgrade go bad on all 10 controllers. I've only had 1 AP NIC failure in that time as well. We have APs that are mounted in some of the dorms on the wall even and those haven't been destroyed or stolen. We have APs that sit in a garage and machine shop and work fine. We are primarily a Cisco shop for the rest of our networking equipment, but switched from Cisco fat APs to the Aruba's 3 years ago. Aruba releases software about once a month and it always has worked. I'm very glad we made the decision to go with Aruba based on the fact that I see people on this message board complaining that something doesn't work right with their cisco upgrade. Maybe more people have cisco than Aruba, I don't know. As for Meraki, the concept works in some cases, and I'm not sure what the educational costs are, but the cost of their APs as advertised and enterprise controller seems almost the same as Aruba. -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:wireless-...@listserv.educause.edu] On Behalf Of Jason S. Cash Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 8:32 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Aruba vs HP vs Meraki On Fri, 2 Apr 2010, Ethan Sommer wrote: We are considering replacing our 200+ AP wireless infrastructure with a controller based 802.11n system. I believe we have narrowed it down to Aruba, HP Procurve (we use HP switch gear), and Meraki. I have two questions: 1. Are there any hidden costs we should watch out for with any of these (particularly Aruba.) Will we hit major costs other than the up front cost for the APs and the controllers? 2. I know a lot of schools are very happily using Aruba, but I haven't heard of any schools using HP and very few using Meraki. Are there any schools who have gone with Aruba and regretted it? If so, why? Are there any schools out there using HP Procurve (formerly Colubrius) or Merkai? What do you think of them? Did you have any surprises after you deployed? Ethan -- Ethan Sommer Associate Director of Core Services 507-933-7042 somm...@gustavus.edu ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Aruba vs HP vs Meraki
On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 11:07 AM, gwill...@uccs.edu wrote: I'm very glad we made the decision to go with Aruba based on the fact that I see people on this message board complaining that something doesn't work right with their cisco upgrade. Maybe more people have cisco than Aruba, I don't know. The last numbers I saw were from January of 2009, Cisco had 60% market share, and Aruba had 8%. Aruba is the #2 AP maker by Market share, and is very heavily targeting education and healthcare environments. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 802.11n configuration on Cisco
Mike, Make sure WMM Policy is set to allowed for the WLAN config. -Chris On Apr 13, 2010, at 11:23 AM, Mike King m...@mpking.commailto:m...@mpking.com wrote: Ok. I had my controller tweaked to where I liked it, but I forgot to hit the save configuration settings button, and the controller got rebooted in my test lab. I've replicated my tweaks, (40 Mhz 802.11a channels, Client Link enabled on both bands, disabled 1, 2, 5.5, 6Mbps on the 802.11b/g band) But I only seem to be able to associate at 150Mbps and I'm about 15 feet away from the access point. I had 300 Mpbs before the reboot. What am I missing? Mike ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. === Chris Murphy Network Engineer MIT Information Services Technology Room W92-191 77 Massachusetts Avenue Cambridge, MA 02139 ch...@mit.edumailto:ch...@mit.edu ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Aruba vs HP vs Meraki
On Apr 13, 2010, at 08:07, gwill...@uccs.edu wrote: As for Meraki, the concept works in some cases, and I'm not sure what the educational costs are, but the cost of their APs as advertised and enterprise controller seems almost the same as Aruba. I have to tout Meraki a little here, especially for environments that are dynamic or open to experimentation. The online, hosted controller (can't bring myself to say cloud controller) makes making serious network changes -- say, special event networks segregated from your normal wireless, reassigning VLANs, things that I would normally avoid -- brain-dead simple. They've also been extremely open to new feature suggestions, and there's zero effort to trying them out safely. -- // Miles Davis - mi...@cs.stanford.edu - http://www.cs.stanford.edu/~miles // Computer Science Department - Computer Facilities // Stanford University ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 802.11n configuration on Cisco
Yep, I have that set to allowed. On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Chris Murphy ch...@mit.edu wrote: Mike, Make sure WMM Policy is set to allowed for the WLAN config. -Chris ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Aruba vs HP vs Meraki
Just a bit more on Miles' comments- I did like that with Meraki, the controller layer is somebody else's problem. And that when you lose link to the cloud, everything local still pretty much works despite the controller being out there in the Great Beyond. And if you duct-taped a couple of Meraki MR14s together and put them at the end of a good chain or leather strap, you'd have a nice whoopin' piece. (One MR 14 alone has a fairly good edge you could leverage- may not puncture the skin with it but would certainly leave a good welt.) -Lee -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:wireless-...@listserv.educause.edu] On Behalf Of Miles Davis Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 12:35 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Aruba vs HP vs Meraki On Apr 13, 2010, at 08:07, gwill...@uccs.edu wrote: As for Meraki, the concept works in some cases, and I'm not sure what the educational costs are, but the cost of their APs as advertised and enterprise controller seems almost the same as Aruba. I have to tout Meraki a little here, especially for environments that are dynamic or open to experimentation. The online, hosted controller (can't bring myself to say cloud controller) makes making serious network changes -- say, special event networks segregated from your normal wireless, reassigning VLANs, things that I would normally avoid -- brain-dead simple. They've also been extremely open to new feature suggestions, and there's zero effort to trying them out safely. -- // Miles Davis - mi...@cs.stanford.edu - http://www.cs.stanford.edu/~miles // Computer Science Department - Computer Facilities // Stanford University ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Aruba vs HP vs Meraki
On Apr 13, 2010, at 10:45, Lee H Badman wrote: Just a bit more on Miles' comments- I did like that with Meraki, the controller layer is somebody else's problem. And that when you lose link to the cloud, everything local still pretty much works despite the controller being out there in the Great Beyond. And if you duct-taped a couple of Meraki MR14s together and put them at the end of a good chain or leather strap, you'd have a nice whoopin' piece. (One MR 14 alone has a fairly good edge you could leverage- may not puncture the skin with it but would certainly leave a good welt.) Ooh, especially with the mounting hardware attached... -- // Miles Davis - mi...@cs.stanford.edu - http://www.cs.stanford.edu/~miles // Computer Science Department - Computer Facilities // Stanford University ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] 802.11n configuration on Cisco
Wireless 802.11a/n or 802.11b/g/n High Throughput (802.11n) Also, have you made sure that the APs are actually using 40Mhz channels? WirelessAccessPointsRadios802.11a/n Finally, what channels have you selected? Remember that some clients don't support UNII 2 and UNII-2e bands. Hector Rios Louisiana State University ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Aruba vs HP vs Meraki
To say nothing of the MR58 !!! If you can heft it, it would make a pretty good dent in the AP jousting and bashing competition. I have also enjoyed the clean and simple management interface Meraki has developed. John On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Miles Davis mi...@cs.stanford.edu wrote: On Apr 13, 2010, at 10:45, Lee H Badman wrote: Just a bit more on Miles' comments- I did like that with Meraki, the controller layer is somebody else's problem. And that when you lose link to the cloud, everything local still pretty much works despite the controller being out there in the Great Beyond. And if you duct-taped a couple of Meraki MR14s together and put them at the end of a good chain or leather strap, you'd have a nice whoopin' piece. (One MR 14 alone has a fairly good edge you could leverage- may not puncture the skin with it but would certainly leave a good welt.) Ooh, especially with the mounting hardware attached... -- // Miles Davis - mi...@cs.stanford.edu - http://www.cs.stanford.edu/~miles // Computer Science Department - Computer Facilities // Stanford University ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
