Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks
Well, I don't know why Cisco is different, but they seem to be; Cisco wireless gear doesn't care what switch it runs on, as far as I'm aware, as long as it can get its dot3af power from it. On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 8:52 AM, Turner, Ryan H rhtur...@email.unc.edu wrote: Well, let's be fair... Every wireless vendor that runs a switching line is going to try to get you to run their switches. Why would Cisco be any different than HP. -- Hunter Fuller Network Engineer VBRH M-9B +1 256 824 5331 Office of Information Technology The University of Alabama in Huntsville Systems and Infrastructure I am part of the UAH Safe Zone LGBTQIA support network: http://www.uah.edu/student-affairs/safe-zone ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks
Ah, gotcha. I do sincerely hope that it doesn't matter - I would be really disappointed if we started seeing vendor lock-in between APs and switches, for example. But for now, as you say, it seems we are safe from this. -- Hunter Fuller Network Engineer VBRH M-9B +1 256 824 5331 Office of Information Technology The University of Alabama in Huntsville Systems and Infrastructure I am part of the UAH Safe Zone LGBTQIA support network: http://www.uah.edu/student-affairs/safe-zone On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Turner, Ryan H rhtur...@email.unc.edu wrote: I didn't make my point clearly, enough. I am saying that it probably won't matter that you don't run HP switches, just like it doesn't matter than you may not run cisco switches... And that I suspect every company that has products in both switching and wireless is going to temp you, one way or the other, to converging to a single vendor. I was simply saying this is nothing new or different, and that in the end, probably won't matter. Ryan H Turner Senior Network Engineer The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill CB 1150 Chapel Hill, NC 27599 +1 919 445 0113 Office +1 919 274 7926 Mobile -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Hunter Fuller Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 4:37 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks Well, I don't know why Cisco is different, but they seem to be; Cisco wireless gear doesn't care what switch it runs on, as far as I'm aware, as long as it can get its dot3af power from it. On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 8:52 AM, Turner, Ryan H rhtur...@email.unc.edu wrote: Well, let's be fair... Every wireless vendor that runs a switching line is going to try to get you to run their switches. Why would Cisco be any different than HP. -- Hunter Fuller Network Engineer VBRH M-9B +1 256 824 5331 Office of Information Technology The University of Alabama in Huntsville Systems and Infrastructure I am part of the UAH Safe Zone LGBTQIA support network: http://www.uah.edu/student-affairs/safe-zone ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks
I didn't make my point clearly, enough. I am saying that it probably won't matter that you don't run HP switches, just like it doesn't matter than you may not run cisco switches... And that I suspect every company that has products in both switching and wireless is going to temp you, one way or the other, to converging to a single vendor. I was simply saying this is nothing new or different, and that in the end, probably won't matter. Ryan H Turner Senior Network Engineer The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill CB 1150 Chapel Hill, NC 27599 +1 919 445 0113 Office +1 919 274 7926 Mobile -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Hunter Fuller Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 4:37 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks Well, I don't know why Cisco is different, but they seem to be; Cisco wireless gear doesn't care what switch it runs on, as far as I'm aware, as long as it can get its dot3af power from it. On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 8:52 AM, Turner, Ryan H rhtur...@email.unc.edu wrote: Well, let's be fair... Every wireless vendor that runs a switching line is going to try to get you to run their switches. Why would Cisco be any different than HP. -- Hunter Fuller Network Engineer VBRH M-9B +1 256 824 5331 Office of Information Technology The University of Alabama in Huntsville Systems and Infrastructure I am part of the UAH Safe Zone LGBTQIA support network: http://www.uah.edu/student-affairs/safe-zone ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks
Cisco doesn't require you to use their switches, but there are advantages if you do. They aren't so fantastic that you'd replace what you have, but if you do happen to have Cisco, items like CDP or their once pre-standard POE+ are value-add. Cisco will no doubt start shipping AP's with the new multigigabit proposed standard, and they'll also be shipping new switches with support. If you're in a refresh-cycle, putting the two together may get you to a place you could otherwise not reach with a multi-vendor solution. Jeff On Monday, March 02, 2015 at 1:37 PM, in message CAMFTxdQm1TrGSWJNhaYDNTtCaoVCuCza=jza2zuw7crfbff...@mail.gmail.com, Hunter Fuller hf0...@uah.edu wrote: Well, I don't know why Cisco is different, but they seem to be; Cisco wireless gear doesn't care what switch it runs on, as far as I'm aware, as long as it can get its dot3af power from it. On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 8:52 AM, Turner, Ryan H rhtur...@email.unc.edu wrote: Well, let's be fair... Every wireless vendor that runs a switching line is going to try to get you to run their switches. Why would Cisco be any different than HP. -- Hunter Fuller Network Engineer VBRH M-9B +1 256 824 5331 Office of Information Technology The University of Alabama in Huntsville Systems and Infrastructure I am part of the UAH Safe Zone LGBTQIA support network: http://www.uah.edu/student-affairs/safe-zone ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks
Agreed. We have LH still in production, came up from the 160’s (supermicro), 2060’s (dell), and 4300’s (HP). LH was amazing with support, and an easy front-range trip to make to their support center / labs. HP support is terrible with LH products, and we are also no longer an LH customer. Regards, David Ziemba Senior Network Engineer 719.389.6063 z...@coloradocollege.edumailto:z...@coloradocollege.edu ITS: Innovations Solutions From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Brian Holley Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 3:22 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks A little off topic, but…I was a LeftHand SAN customer several years ago. Awesome mid-tier solution…bought by HP. HP decided that their in-house technical support could do a better job off supporting the product than the folks who had all the knowledge. We went for two years having to figure things out ourselves. The LeftHand products are still in existence, but HP has now priced them in the stratosphere. I no longer am a LeftHand/HP customer… Brian Brian Holley • Assistant VP / CSO Middle Tennessee State University • mtsu.eduhttp://www.mtsu.edu/ Office 615-898-2228 • Cell 615-601-2025 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Ray DeJean Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 2:34 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 2:25 PM, Coehoorn, Joel jcoeho...@york.edumailto:jcoeho...@york.edu wrote: I do think this can be good for Aruba If integrated well, HP could have a compelling We'll see how it works out. We had a 3Com system once upon a time. Remember 3Com? HP doesn't have a good track record for integrating well with the products it acquires. I remember 3com well. We were all 3com. After a few years of the HP/3com mess, we're Brocade now. And last year, stopped buying Aruba in favor of Ruckus. :) Ray ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks
Agreed, we use generic J4859C's from Newegg in all of our HP gear across campus with no problems. We just make sure we buy the ones with a lifetime warranty (~$79) in case one goes bad. *Van K. Jones* Network Support Manager Mississippi College P: 601.925.3493 | F: 601.925.3955 Facebook http://www.facebook.com/mississippicollege | Twitter http://www.twitter.com/misscollege | Vimeo http://www.vimeo.com/misscollege http://www.mc.edu/ On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 4:25 PM, Hinson, Matthew P matthew.hin...@vikings.berry.edu wrote: Haven't personally experienced this one... I've used some $30 J4859C's I got from eBay and the switch didn't care. -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Chuck Anderson Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 4:57 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks HP also has a history of forced lock-in. Their switches specifically prevent you from using third-party SFPs. Imagine if they did this with the wireless APs--purposely make them not work with non-HP ethernet switches. On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 09:47:52PM +, Williams, Matthew wrote: I've heard from multiple CIOs that they don't want a converged campus solution. They don't want to end up beholden to a single vendor for financial and security reasons. They want best-of-breed products that provide the most bang for the buck without the caveats of, Well if you want that that feature then you'll have to buy this appliance/plugin/thing-a-ma-bob, too. I find the potential merger a bit disappointing because Aruba was a wireless company (with a few switches) and that's what they did. I'd hate to see them end up getting lost in the shuffle of HP's portfolio of solutions. Hopefully, if this all goes through, that won't happen. Respectfully, Matthew Williams IT Manager, Wireless Kent State University Office: (330) 672-7246 Mobile: (330) 469-0445 -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Thomas Carter Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 4:33 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks Yes, edge switches, but HP can sell the whole campus from firewalls to routers to core switches to APs to software (clearpass, airwave, etc) to truly compete with the likes of Cisco. They're pushing the converged campus to sound like a marketing wonk. Whether or not they screw it up is what we'll have to wait and see. Thomas Carter Network and Operations Manager Austin College 903-813-2564 -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Frank Sweetser Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 2:44 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks On 02/26/2015 02:23 PM, Thomas Carter wrote: I kept telling our Dell reps that Dell needs to buy into wireless and grab Aerohive or Ruckus. They would just mention the Aruba deal; we'll see what happens with that. I do think this can be good for Aruba. I see it as this - Cisco is a company that does $50B revenue annually and spends $6B in RD. I know that's not all wireless, but Aruba has $725M annual revenue with $170M RD. They need the financial backing to stay in second and maybe close the gap on Cisco. If integrated well, HP could have a compelling package with ProCurve and Aruba all managed under AirWave with some magic SDN sprinkled in there somewhere. But Aruba already has their own package with their MAS switches! My biggest fear is that HP is buying Aruba the wireless company, not Aruba the client access company. This would lead them to keeping the APs and controllers, while putting all of the rest of the goodies that let us to selecting them (Clearpass, Airwave's cross vendor capabilities, their switches) in jeopardy of either being tossed outright or left hanging around atrophying. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks
Haven't personally experienced this one... I've used some $30 J4859C's I got from eBay and the switch didn't care. -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Chuck Anderson Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 4:57 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks HP also has a history of forced lock-in. Their switches specifically prevent you from using third-party SFPs. Imagine if they did this with the wireless APs--purposely make them not work with non-HP ethernet switches. On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 09:47:52PM +, Williams, Matthew wrote: I've heard from multiple CIOs that they don't want a converged campus solution. They don't want to end up beholden to a single vendor for financial and security reasons. They want best-of-breed products that provide the most bang for the buck without the caveats of, Well if you want that that feature then you'll have to buy this appliance/plugin/thing-a-ma-bob, too. I find the potential merger a bit disappointing because Aruba was a wireless company (with a few switches) and that's what they did. I'd hate to see them end up getting lost in the shuffle of HP's portfolio of solutions. Hopefully, if this all goes through, that won't happen. Respectfully, Matthew Williams IT Manager, Wireless Kent State University Office: (330) 672-7246 Mobile: (330) 469-0445 -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Thomas Carter Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 4:33 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks Yes, edge switches, but HP can sell the whole campus from firewalls to routers to core switches to APs to software (clearpass, airwave, etc) to truly compete with the likes of Cisco. They're pushing the converged campus to sound like a marketing wonk. Whether or not they screw it up is what we'll have to wait and see. Thomas Carter Network and Operations Manager Austin College 903-813-2564 -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Frank Sweetser Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 2:44 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks On 02/26/2015 02:23 PM, Thomas Carter wrote: I kept telling our Dell reps that Dell needs to buy into wireless and grab Aerohive or Ruckus. They would just mention the Aruba deal; we'll see what happens with that. I do think this can be good for Aruba. I see it as this - Cisco is a company that does $50B revenue annually and spends $6B in RD. I know that's not all wireless, but Aruba has $725M annual revenue with $170M RD. They need the financial backing to stay in second and maybe close the gap on Cisco. If integrated well, HP could have a compelling package with ProCurve and Aruba all managed under AirWave with some magic SDN sprinkled in there somewhere. But Aruba already has their own package with their MAS switches! My biggest fear is that HP is buying Aruba the wireless company, not Aruba the client access company. This would lead them to keeping the APs and controllers, while putting all of the rest of the goodies that let us to selecting them (Clearpass, Airwave's cross vendor capabilities, their switches) in jeopardy of either being tossed outright or left hanging around atrophying. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks
On Wed Feb 25 2015 15:07:31 CST, Trent Hurt trent.h...@louisville.edu wrote: http://mvnoblog.com/hp-is-reportedly-trying-to-buy-aruba-networks/ http://www.networkworld.com/article/2889293/wireless/report-hp-to-buy-aruba-for-wireless-tech.html Lee’s not going to be on HP’s Christmas card list… :) -- Julian Y. Koh Acting Associate Director, Telecommunications and Network Services Northwestern University Information Technology (NUIT) 2001 Sheridan Road #G-166 Evanston, IL 60208 847-467-5780 NUIT Web Site: http://www.it.northwestern.edu/ PGP Public Key:http://bt.ittns.northwestern.edu/julian/pgppubkey.html
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks
On 02/26/2015 11:23 AM, Julian Y Koh wrote: On Wed Feb 25 2015 15:07:31 CST, Trent Hurt trent.h...@louisville.edu wrote: http://mvnoblog.com/hp-is-reportedly-trying-to-buy-aruba-networks/ http://www.networkworld.com/article/2889293/wireless/report-hp-to-buy-aruba-for-wireless-tech.html Lee’s not going to be on HP’s Christmas card list… :) No, but I think he might be on mine now =) -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu| For every problem, there is a solution that Manager of Network Operations | is simple, elegant, and wrong. Worcester Polytechnic Institute | - HL Mencken ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks
Makes sense. Aruba is #2 in the market (but pretty distant from Cisco), and HP is 4th depending on who to talk with, so acquiring Aruba would put their combined market share well past the other competition, and a tad closer to Cisco. Then again, it could go all wrong under HP. I thought Dell would have been a better match - I wonder what happens to the Aruba/Dell oem relationship if this happens? Or the Alcatel oem agreement. Jeff On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 1:07 PM, in message b46a050c-963c-4838-acec-6c890472e...@exchange.louisville.edu, Trent Hurt trent.h...@louisville.edu wrote: http://mvnoblog.com/hp-is-reportedly-trying-to-buy-aruba-networks/ ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks
I do think this can be good for Aruba If integrated well, HP could have a compelling package with ProCurve and Aruba all managed under AirWave with some magic SDN sprinkled in there somewhere. We'll see how it works out. We had a 3Com system once upon a time. Remember 3Com? Joel Coehoorn Director of Information Technology 402.363.5603 *jcoeho...@york.edu jcoeho...@york.edu* The mission of York College is to transform lives through Christ-centered education and to equip students for lifelong service to God, family, and society On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 1:23 PM, Thomas Carter tcar...@austincollege.edu wrote: I kept telling our Dell reps that Dell needs to buy into wireless and grab Aerohive or Ruckus. They would just mention the Aruba deal; we’ll see what happens with that. I do think this can be good for Aruba. I see it as this – Cisco is a company that does $50B revenue annually and spends $6B in RD. I know that’s not all wireless, but Aruba has $725M annual revenue with $170M RD. They need the financial backing to stay in second and maybe close the gap on Cisco. If integrated well, HP could have a compelling package with ProCurve and Aruba all managed under AirWave with some magic SDN sprinkled in there somewhere. Thomas Carter Network and Operations Manager Austin College 903-813-2564 [image: AusColl_Logo_Email] *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] *On Behalf Of *Jeffrey Sessler *Sent:* Thursday, February 26, 2015 10:59 AM *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks Makes sense. Aruba is #2 in the market (but pretty distant from Cisco), and HP is 4th depending on who to talk with, so acquiring Aruba would put their combined market share well past the other competition, and a tad closer to Cisco. Then again, it could go all wrong under HP. I thought Dell would have been a better match - I wonder what happens to the Aruba/Dell oem relationship if this happens? Or the Alcatel oem agreement. Jeff On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 1:07 PM, in message b46a050c-963c-4838-acec-6c890472e...@exchange.louisville.edu, Trent Hurt trent.h...@louisville.edu wrote: http://mvnoblog.com/hp-is-reportedly-trying-to-buy-aruba-networks/ ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. http://www.educause.edu/groups/ ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks
I kept telling our Dell reps that Dell needs to buy into wireless and grab Aerohive or Ruckus. They would just mention the Aruba deal; we'll see what happens with that. I do think this can be good for Aruba. I see it as this - Cisco is a company that does $50B revenue annually and spends $6B in RD. I know that's not all wireless, but Aruba has $725M annual revenue with $170M RD. They need the financial backing to stay in second and maybe close the gap on Cisco. If integrated well, HP could have a compelling package with ProCurve and Aruba all managed under AirWave with some magic SDN sprinkled in there somewhere. Thomas Carter Network and Operations Manager Austin College 903-813-2564 [AusColl_Logo_Email] From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Sessler Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 10:59 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks Makes sense. Aruba is #2 in the market (but pretty distant from Cisco), and HP is 4th depending on who to talk with, so acquiring Aruba would put their combined market share well past the other competition, and a tad closer to Cisco. Then again, it could go all wrong under HP. I thought Dell would have been a better match - I wonder what happens to the Aruba/Dell oem relationship if this happens? Or the Alcatel oem agreement. Jeff On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 1:07 PM, in message b46a050c-963c-4838-acec-6c890472e...@exchange.louisville.edumailto:b46a050c-963c-4838-acec-6c890472e...@exchange.louisville.edu, Trent Hurt trent.h...@louisville.edumailto:trent.h...@louisville.edu wrote: http://mvnoblog.com/hp-is-reportedly-trying-to-buy-aruba-networks/ ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.http://www.educause.edu/groups/ ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks
But at the time, HP had the bigger market share compared to 3Com already. This time Aruba is the much bigger market share. And that was like 2-3 HP CEOs ago. Thomas Carter Network and Operations Manager Austin College 903-813-2564 [AusColl_Logo_Email] From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Coehoorn, Joel Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 2:25 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks I do think this can be good for Aruba If integrated well, HP could have a compelling package with ProCurve and Aruba all managed under AirWave with some magic SDN sprinkled in there somewhere. We'll see how it works out. We had a 3Com system once upon a time. Remember 3Com? [http://www.york.edu/Portals/0/Images/Logo/YorkCollegeLogoSmall.jpg] Joel Coehoorn Director of Information Technology 402.363.5603 jcoeho...@york.edumailto:jcoeho...@york.edu The mission of York College is to transform lives through Christ-centered education and to equip students for lifelong service to God, family, and society
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks
On 02/26/2015 02:23 PM, Thomas Carter wrote: I kept telling our Dell reps that Dell needs to buy into wireless and grab Aerohive or Ruckus. They would just mention the Aruba deal; we’ll see what happens with that. I do think this can be good for Aruba. I see it as this – Cisco is a company that does $50B revenue annually and spends $6B in RD. I know that’s not all wireless, but Aruba has $725M annual revenue with $170M RD. They need the financial backing to stay in second and maybe close the gap on Cisco. If integrated well, HP could have a compelling package with ProCurve and Aruba all managed under AirWave with some magic SDN sprinkled in there somewhere. But Aruba already has their own package with their MAS switches! My biggest fear is that HP is buying Aruba the wireless company, not Aruba the client access company. This would lead them to keeping the APs and controllers, while putting all of the rest of the goodies that let us to selecting them (Clearpass, Airwave's cross vendor capabilities, their switches) in jeopardy of either being tossed outright or left hanging around atrophying. -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu| For every problem, there is a solution that Manager of Network Operations | is simple, elegant, and wrong. Worcester Polytechnic Institute | - HL Mencken ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks
On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 2:25 PM, Coehoorn, Joel jcoeho...@york.edu wrote: I do think this can be good for Aruba If integrated well, HP could have a compelling We'll see how it works out. We had a 3Com system once upon a time. Remember 3Com? HP doesn't have a good track record for integrating well with the products it acquires. I remember 3com well. We were all 3com. After a few years of the HP/3com mess, we're Brocade now. And last year, stopped buying Aruba in favor of Ruckus. :) Ray ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks
HP already acquired Colubris back in 2008…they have Wi-Fi. I would say that it is the entire ecosystem that they care about! (Airwave, ClearPass, ….) Could be exciting for the switch business too (HP switches are affordable…if you add the Aruba software it becomes a nice integrated system) Compete with Cisco all the way! Philippe Hanset www.eduroam.us On Feb 26, 2015, at 3:44 PM, Frank Sweetser f...@wpi.edu wrote: On 02/26/2015 02:23 PM, Thomas Carter wrote: I kept telling our Dell reps that Dell needs to buy into wireless and grab Aerohive or Ruckus. They would just mention the Aruba deal; we’ll see what happens with that. I do think this can be good for Aruba. I see it as this – Cisco is a company that does $50B revenue annually and spends $6B in RD. I know that’s not all wireless, but Aruba has $725M annual revenue with $170M RD. They need the financial backing to stay in second and maybe close the gap on Cisco. If integrated well, HP could have a compelling package with ProCurve and Aruba all managed under AirWave with some magic SDN sprinkled in there somewhere. But Aruba already has their own package with their MAS switches! My biggest fear is that HP is buying Aruba the wireless company, not Aruba the client access company. This would lead them to keeping the APs and controllers, while putting all of the rest of the goodies that let us to selecting them (Clearpass, Airwave's cross vendor capabilities, their switches) in jeopardy of either being tossed outright or left hanging around atrophying. -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu| For every problem, there is a solution that Manager of Network Operations | is simple, elegant, and wrong. Worcester Polytechnic Institute | - HL Mencken ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks
Yes, edge switches, but HP can sell the whole campus from firewalls to routers to core switches to APs to software (clearpass, airwave, etc) to truly compete with the likes of Cisco. They're pushing the converged campus to sound like a marketing wonk. Whether or not they screw it up is what we'll have to wait and see. Thomas Carter Network and Operations Manager Austin College 903-813-2564 -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Frank Sweetser Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 2:44 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks On 02/26/2015 02:23 PM, Thomas Carter wrote: I kept telling our Dell reps that Dell needs to buy into wireless and grab Aerohive or Ruckus. They would just mention the Aruba deal; we'll see what happens with that. I do think this can be good for Aruba. I see it as this - Cisco is a company that does $50B revenue annually and spends $6B in RD. I know that's not all wireless, but Aruba has $725M annual revenue with $170M RD. They need the financial backing to stay in second and maybe close the gap on Cisco. If integrated well, HP could have a compelling package with ProCurve and Aruba all managed under AirWave with some magic SDN sprinkled in there somewhere. But Aruba already has their own package with their MAS switches! My biggest fear is that HP is buying Aruba the wireless company, not Aruba the client access company. This would lead them to keeping the APs and controllers, while putting all of the rest of the goodies that let us to selecting them (Clearpass, Airwave's cross vendor capabilities, their switches) in jeopardy of either being tossed outright or left hanging around atrophying. -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu| For every problem, there is a solution that Manager of Network Operations | is simple, elegant, and wrong. Worcester Polytechnic Institute | - HL Mencken ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks
I've heard from multiple CIOs that they don't want a converged campus solution. They don't want to end up beholden to a single vendor for financial and security reasons. They want best-of-breed products that provide the most bang for the buck without the caveats of, Well if you want that that feature then you'll have to buy this appliance/plugin/thing-a-ma-bob, too. I find the potential merger a bit disappointing because Aruba was a wireless company (with a few switches) and that's what they did. I'd hate to see them end up getting lost in the shuffle of HP's portfolio of solutions. Hopefully, if this all goes through, that won't happen. Respectfully, Matthew Williams IT Manager, Wireless Kent State University Office: (330) 672-7246 Mobile: (330) 469-0445 -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Thomas Carter Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 4:33 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks Yes, edge switches, but HP can sell the whole campus from firewalls to routers to core switches to APs to software (clearpass, airwave, etc) to truly compete with the likes of Cisco. They're pushing the converged campus to sound like a marketing wonk. Whether or not they screw it up is what we'll have to wait and see. Thomas Carter Network and Operations Manager Austin College 903-813-2564 -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Frank Sweetser Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 2:44 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks On 02/26/2015 02:23 PM, Thomas Carter wrote: I kept telling our Dell reps that Dell needs to buy into wireless and grab Aerohive or Ruckus. They would just mention the Aruba deal; we'll see what happens with that. I do think this can be good for Aruba. I see it as this - Cisco is a company that does $50B revenue annually and spends $6B in RD. I know that's not all wireless, but Aruba has $725M annual revenue with $170M RD. They need the financial backing to stay in second and maybe close the gap on Cisco. If integrated well, HP could have a compelling package with ProCurve and Aruba all managed under AirWave with some magic SDN sprinkled in there somewhere. But Aruba already has their own package with their MAS switches! My biggest fear is that HP is buying Aruba the wireless company, not Aruba the client access company. This would lead them to keeping the APs and controllers, while putting all of the rest of the goodies that let us to selecting them (Clearpass, Airwave's cross vendor capabilities, their switches) in jeopardy of either being tossed outright or left hanging around atrophying. -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu| For every problem, there is a solution that Manager of Network Operations | is simple, elegant, and wrong. Worcester Polytechnic Institute | - HL Mencken ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks
Yeah, same here! (the best of breed opinion anyway, not a CIO...) There are few things quite as frustrating as seeing a vendor starve your favorite product line of development resources solely because some other 800lb gorilla customer is dumping truckloads of cash in a different one, or because adding feature X to product Z is against internal policy because feature X is for carriers and product Z belongs to the enterprise group. A true multi vendor best of breed approach at least gives you a better chance of having the company better focused on a solution to the problem you're looking for, rather than trying to make compromises to satisfy all of their markets at once. Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu| For every problem, there is a solution that Manager of Network Operations | is simple, elegant, and wrong. Worcester Polytechnic Institute | - HL Mencken On 02/26/2015 04:47 PM, Williams, Matthew wrote: I've heard from multiple CIOs that they don't want a converged campus solution. They don't want to end up beholden to a single vendor for financial and security reasons. They want best-of-breed products that provide the most bang for the buck without the caveats of, Well if you want that that feature then you'll have to buy this appliance/plugin/thing-a-ma-bob, too. I find the potential merger a bit disappointing because Aruba was a wireless company (with a few switches) and that's what they did. I'd hate to see them end up getting lost in the shuffle of HP's portfolio of solutions. Hopefully, if this all goes through, that won't happen. Respectfully, Matthew Williams IT Manager, Wireless Kent State University Office: (330) 672-7246 Mobile: (330) 469-0445 -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Thomas Carter Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 4:33 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks Yes, edge switches, but HP can sell the whole campus from firewalls to routers to core switches to APs to software (clearpass, airwave, etc) to truly compete with the likes of Cisco. They're pushing the converged campus to sound like a marketing wonk. Whether or not they screw it up is what we'll have to wait and see. Thomas Carter Network and Operations Manager Austin College 903-813-2564 -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Frank Sweetser Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 2:44 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks On 02/26/2015 02:23 PM, Thomas Carter wrote: I kept telling our Dell reps that Dell needs to buy into wireless and grab Aerohive or Ruckus. They would just mention the Aruba deal; we'll see what happens with that. I do think this can be good for Aruba. I see it as this - Cisco is a company that does $50B revenue annually and spends $6B in RD. I know that's not all wireless, but Aruba has $725M annual revenue with $170M RD. They need the financial backing to stay in second and maybe close the gap on Cisco. If integrated well, HP could have a compelling package with ProCurve and Aruba all managed under AirWave with some magic SDN sprinkled in there somewhere. But Aruba already has their own package with their MAS switches! My biggest fear is that HP is buying Aruba the wireless company, not Aruba the client access company. This would lead them to keeping the APs and controllers, while putting all of the rest of the goodies that let us to selecting them (Clearpass, Airwave's cross vendor capabilities, their switches) in jeopardy of either being tossed outright or left hanging around atrophying. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks
I don't know that I agree with converged campus either, but I have known CIOs who want one neck to wring when there are problems or fall for the it will all work together seamlessly pitch. I just don't want to assume that this will ruin Aruba, and looking at their financials, it might help. I see lots of losses on Aruba's income statements (although a small income this last quarter). Thomas Carter Network and Operations Manager Austin College 903-813-2564 -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Williams, Matthew Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 3:48 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks I've heard from multiple CIOs that they don't want a converged campus solution. They don't want to end up beholden to a single vendor for financial and security reasons. They want best-of-breed products that provide the most bang for the buck without the caveats of, Well if you want that that feature then you'll have to buy this appliance/plugin/thing-a-ma-bob, too. I find the potential merger a bit disappointing because Aruba was a wireless company (with a few switches) and that's what they did. I'd hate to see them end up getting lost in the shuffle of HP's portfolio of solutions. Hopefully, if this all goes through, that won't happen. Respectfully, Matthew Williams IT Manager, Wireless Kent State University Office: (330) 672-7246 Mobile: (330) 469-0445 -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Thomas Carter Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 4:33 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks Yes, edge switches, but HP can sell the whole campus from firewalls to routers to core switches to APs to software (clearpass, airwave, etc) to truly compete with the likes of Cisco. They're pushing the converged campus to sound like a marketing wonk. Whether or not they screw it up is what we'll have to wait and see. Thomas Carter Network and Operations Manager Austin College 903-813-2564 -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Frank Sweetser Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 2:44 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks On 02/26/2015 02:23 PM, Thomas Carter wrote: I kept telling our Dell reps that Dell needs to buy into wireless and grab Aerohive or Ruckus. They would just mention the Aruba deal; we'll see what happens with that. I do think this can be good for Aruba. I see it as this - Cisco is a company that does $50B revenue annually and spends $6B in RD. I know that's not all wireless, but Aruba has $725M annual revenue with $170M RD. They need the financial backing to stay in second and maybe close the gap on Cisco. If integrated well, HP could have a compelling package with ProCurve and Aruba all managed under AirWave with some magic SDN sprinkled in there somewhere. But Aruba already has their own package with their MAS switches! My biggest fear is that HP is buying Aruba the wireless company, not Aruba the client access company. This would lead them to keeping the APs and controllers, while putting all of the rest of the goodies that let us to selecting them (Clearpass, Airwave's cross vendor capabilities, their switches) in jeopardy of either being tossed outright or left hanging around atrophying. -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu| For every problem, there is a solution that Manager of Network Operations | is simple, elegant, and wrong. Worcester Polytechnic Institute | - HL Mencken ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks
HP also has a history of forced lock-in. Their switches specifically prevent you from using third-party SFPs. Imagine if they did this with the wireless APs--purposely make them not work with non-HP ethernet switches. On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 09:47:52PM +, Williams, Matthew wrote: I've heard from multiple CIOs that they don't want a converged campus solution. They don't want to end up beholden to a single vendor for financial and security reasons. They want best-of-breed products that provide the most bang for the buck without the caveats of, Well if you want that that feature then you'll have to buy this appliance/plugin/thing-a-ma-bob, too. I find the potential merger a bit disappointing because Aruba was a wireless company (with a few switches) and that's what they did. I'd hate to see them end up getting lost in the shuffle of HP's portfolio of solutions. Hopefully, if this all goes through, that won't happen. Respectfully, Matthew Williams IT Manager, Wireless Kent State University Office: (330) 672-7246 Mobile: (330) 469-0445 -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Thomas Carter Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 4:33 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks Yes, edge switches, but HP can sell the whole campus from firewalls to routers to core switches to APs to software (clearpass, airwave, etc) to truly compete with the likes of Cisco. They're pushing the converged campus to sound like a marketing wonk. Whether or not they screw it up is what we'll have to wait and see. Thomas Carter Network and Operations Manager Austin College 903-813-2564 -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Frank Sweetser Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 2:44 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] HP is reportedly trying to buy Aruba Networks On 02/26/2015 02:23 PM, Thomas Carter wrote: I kept telling our Dell reps that Dell needs to buy into wireless and grab Aerohive or Ruckus. They would just mention the Aruba deal; we'll see what happens with that. I do think this can be good for Aruba. I see it as this - Cisco is a company that does $50B revenue annually and spends $6B in RD. I know that's not all wireless, but Aruba has $725M annual revenue with $170M RD. They need the financial backing to stay in second and maybe close the gap on Cisco. If integrated well, HP could have a compelling package with ProCurve and Aruba all managed under AirWave with some magic SDN sprinkled in there somewhere. But Aruba already has their own package with their MAS switches! My biggest fear is that HP is buying Aruba the wireless company, not Aruba the client access company. This would lead them to keeping the APs and controllers, while putting all of the rest of the goodies that let us to selecting them (Clearpass, Airwave's cross vendor capabilities, their switches) in jeopardy of either being tossed outright or left hanging around atrophying. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
