RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco LWAPP- The change from WLAN Override to AP Groups- Pain?
Strange. My 5.2.187 is not giving this problem. And, my SHO WLAN APGROUPS shows the Interface names, *not* the SSIDs as does your example and the on in the bug explanation. We are not running the WSC product (using the Airwave AMP product instead). -jcw - John WattersUA: OIT 205-348-3992 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:wireless-...@listserv.educause.edu] On Behalf Of Hector J Rios Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 8:40 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco LWAPP- The change from WLAN Override to AP Groups- Pain? I've got an update on AP groups. We've had quite an interesting week. As I mentioned before, we are running 5.2.178 code on our WiSMs, and after applying the new ap groups to a more extensive number of APs we are started experiencing problems. The one problem that I can mention to you guys is better explained if I paste some output directly from one of our WiSMs' CLI (see below). The command show wlan summary gives you all the WLANs configured in your WiSM. The command show wlan apgroups should list all apgroups configured and their associated WLANS. The interesting thing is that the default-group is the one group that is not user-created, cannot be erased and therefore should contain all the WLANs. It is clear that is not the case for us and that's just one of the issues we have run into so far. We've been working with TAC hoping they can provide us with a solution. This could be very specific to our setup, but I just wanted to pass it along to make you guys aware of this potential issue. You've been warned. Thanks, Hector Rios Louisiana State University (WiSM-slot1-1) show wlan summary Number of WLANs.. 8 WLAN ID WLAN Profile Name / SSID StatusInterface Name --- - 1lsusecure / lsusecure Enabled lsusecure 2lsuwireless / lsuwireless Enabled grokpage 3lsuguest / lsuguestEnabled lsuguest 4lsuregmac / lsuregmac Enabled lsuregmac 5geaux0wire / geaux0wireDisabled lsuguest 6cct / cct Enabled lsusecure 7voip / voipEnabled lsusecure 8lsuwpa / lsuwpaEnabled lsuwpa (WiSM-slot1-1) show wlan apgroups Site Name default-group Site Description. none WLAN ID Interface Network Admission Control --- ----- 1 lsusecureDisabled 2 grokpage Disabled 3 lsuguest Disabled 4 lsuregmacDisabled 8 lsuwpa Disabled ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco LWAPP- The change from WLAN Override to AP Groups- Pain?
We upgraded from 4.2.176 to 5.2.178. Hector ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco LWAPP- The change from WLAN Override to AP Groups- Pain?
Hector- For clarity, if you configure an AP and simply leave it in the default group, are you saying that in some cases all SSIDs don't get transmitted? This (WLAN Override) has been the one single area I point to since the Airespace days that was fundamentally wrongly implemented. Was hoping that the new AP Groups would be the long overdue salvation. Please keep us posted, and I wonder if anyone is having production-quality success with the AP groups function? I have this in my near future, so my interest is peaked. Lee Badman From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [wireless-...@listserv.educause.edu] On Behalf Of Hector J Rios [hr...@lsu.edu] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 9:39 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco LWAPP- The change from WLAN Override to AP Groups- Pain? I’ve got an update on AP groups. We’ve had quite an interesting week. As I mentioned before, we are running 5.2.178 code on our WiSMs, and after applying the new ap groups to a more extensive number of APs we are started experiencing problems. The one problem that I can mention to you guys is better explained if I paste some output directly from one of our WiSMs’ CLI (see below). The command “show wlan summary” gives you all the WLANs configured in your WiSM. The command “show wlan apgroups” should list all apgroups configured and their associated WLANS. The interesting thing is that the “default-group” is the one group that is not “user-created”, cannot be erased and therefore should contain all the WLANs. It is clear that is not the case for us and that’s just one of the issues we have run into so far. We’ve been working with TAC hoping they can provide us with a solution. This could be very specific to our setup, but I just wanted to pass it along to make you guys aware of this potential issue. You’ve been warned. Thanks, Hector Rios Louisiana State University (WiSM-slot1-1) show wlan summary Number of WLANs.. 8 WLAN ID WLAN Profile Name / SSID StatusInterface Name --- - 1lsusecure / lsusecure Enabled lsusecure 2lsuwireless / lsuwireless Enabled grokpage 3lsuguest / lsuguestEnabled lsuguest 4lsuregmac / lsuregmac Enabled lsuregmac 5geaux0wire / geaux0wireDisabled lsuguest 6cct / cct Enabled lsusecure 7voip / voipEnabled lsusecure 8lsuwpa / lsuwpaEnabled lsuwpa (WiSM-slot1-1) show wlan apgroups Site Name default-group Site Description. none WLAN ID Interface Network Admission Control --- ----- 1 lsusecureDisabled 2 grokpage Disabled 3 lsuguest Disabled 4 lsuregmacDisabled 8 lsuwpa Disabled ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco LWAPP- The change from WLAN Override to AP Groups- Pain?
Correct. The WLAN exists, but since it is not in any AP-group, it is not being transmitted. Hector Rios -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:wireless-...@listserv.educause.edu] On Behalf Of Lee H Badman Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 6:52 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco LWAPP- The change from WLAN Override to AP Groups- Pain? Hector- For clarity, if you configure an AP and simply leave it in the default group, are you saying that in some cases all SSIDs don't get transmitted? This (WLAN Override) has been the one single area I point to since the Airespace days that was fundamentally wrongly implemented. Was hoping that the new AP Groups would be the long overdue salvation. Please keep us posted, and I wonder if anyone is having production-quality success with the AP groups function? I have this in my near future, so my interest is peaked. Lee Badman From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [wireless-...@listserv.educause.edu] On Behalf Of Hector J Rios [hr...@lsu.edu] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 9:39 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco LWAPP- The change from WLAN Override to AP Groups- Pain? I've got an update on AP groups. We've had quite an interesting week. As I mentioned before, we are running 5.2.178 code on our WiSMs, and after applying the new ap groups to a more extensive number of APs we are started experiencing problems. The one problem that I can mention to you guys is better explained if I paste some output directly from one of our WiSMs' CLI (see below). The command show wlan summary gives you all the WLANs configured in your WiSM. The command show wlan apgroups should list all apgroups configured and their associated WLANS. The interesting thing is that the default-group is the one group that is not user-created, cannot be erased and therefore should contain all the WLANs. It is clear that is not the case for us and that's just one of the issues we have run into so far. We've been working with TAC hoping they can provide us with a solution. This could be very specific to our setup, but I just wanted to pass it along to make you guys aware of this potential issue. You've been warned. Thanks, Hector Rios Louisiana State University (WiSM-slot1-1) show wlan summary Number of WLANs.. 8 WLAN ID WLAN Profile Name / SSID StatusInterface Name --- - 1lsusecure / lsusecure Enabled lsusecure 2lsuwireless / lsuwireless Enabled grokpage 3lsuguest / lsuguestEnabled lsuguest 4lsuregmac / lsuregmac Enabled lsuregmac 5geaux0wire / geaux0wireDisabled lsuguest 6cct / cct Enabled lsusecure 7voip / voipEnabled lsusecure 8lsuwpa / lsuwpaEnabled lsuwpa (WiSM-slot1-1) show wlan apgroups Site Name default-group Site Description. none WLAN ID Interface Network Admission Control --- ----- 1 lsusecureDisabled 2 grokpage Disabled 3 lsuguest Disabled 4 lsuregmacDisabled 8 lsuwpa Disabled ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco LWAPP- The change from WLAN Override to AP Groups- Pain?
Hector, Have you tried disabling/enabling or deleting/re-adding the missing WLANs? Does a new WLAN show up in the default group? Bruce T. Johnson | Network Engineer | Partners Healthcare Network Engineering | 617.726.9662 | Pager: 31633 | bjohns...@partners.org From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv on behalf of Hector J Rios Sent: Fri 6/12/2009 9:38 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco LWAPP- The change from WLAN Override to AP Groups- Pain? Correct. The WLAN exists, but since it is not in any AP-group, it is not being transmitted. Hector Rios -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:wireless-...@listserv.educause.edu] On Behalf Of Lee H Badman Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 6:52 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco LWAPP- The change from WLAN Override to AP Groups- Pain? Hector- For clarity, if you configure an AP and simply leave it in the default group, are you saying that in some cases all SSIDs don't get transmitted? This (WLAN Override) has been the one single area I point to since the Airespace days that was fundamentally wrongly implemented. Was hoping that the new AP Groups would be the long overdue salvation. Please keep us posted, and I wonder if anyone is having production-quality success with the AP groups function? I have this in my near future, so my interest is peaked. Lee Badman From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [wireless-...@listserv.educause.edu] On Behalf Of Hector J Rios [hr...@lsu.edu] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 9:39 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco LWAPP- The change from WLAN Override to AP Groups- Pain? I've got an update on AP groups. We've had quite an interesting week. As I mentioned before, we are running 5.2.178 code on our WiSMs, and after applying the new ap groups to a more extensive number of APs we are started experiencing problems. The one problem that I can mention to you guys is better explained if I paste some output directly from one of our WiSMs' CLI (see below). The command show wlan summary gives you all the WLANs configured in your WiSM. The command show wlan apgroups should list all apgroups configured and their associated WLANS. The interesting thing is that the default-group is the one group that is not user-created, cannot be erased and therefore should contain all the WLANs. It is clear that is not the case for us and that's just one of the issues we have run into so far. We've been working with TAC hoping they can provide us with a solution. This could be very specific to our setup, but I just wanted to pass it along to make you guys aware of this potential issue. You've been warned. Thanks, Hector Rios Louisiana State University (WiSM-slot1-1) show wlan summary Number of WLANs.. 8 WLAN ID WLAN Profile Name / SSID StatusInterface Name --- - 1lsusecure / lsusecure Enabled lsusecure 2lsuwireless / lsuwireless Enabled grokpage 3lsuguest / lsuguestEnabled lsuguest 4lsuregmac / lsuregmac Enabled lsuregmac 5geaux0wire / geaux0wireDisabled lsuguest 6cct / cct Enabled lsusecure 7voip / voipEnabled lsusecure 8lsuwpa / lsuwpaEnabled lsuwpa (WiSM-slot1-1) show wlan apgroups Site Name default-group Site Description. none WLAN ID Interface Network Admission Control --- ----- 1 lsusecureDisabled 2 grokpage Disabled 3 lsuguest Disabled 4 lsuregmacDisabled 8 lsuwpa Disabled ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. The information in this e-mail is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. If you believe this e-mail was sent to you in error and the e-mail contains patient information, please contact the Partners Compliance HelpLine at http://www.partners.org/complianceline
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco LWAPP- The change from WLAN Override to AP Groups- Pain?
Here is the bug ID: CSCsy18685 ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco LWAPP- The change from WLAN Override to AP Groups- Pain?
Thanks Hector. That's a tough one. Good luck with the TAC on getting this resolved. Bruce T. Johnson | Network Engineer | Partners Healthcare Network Engineering | 617.726.9662 | Pager: 31633 | bjohns...@partners.org From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv on behalf of Hector J Rios Sent: Fri 6/12/2009 9:58 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco LWAPP- The change from WLAN Override to AP Groups- Pain? Here is the bug ID: CSCsy18685 ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. The information in this e-mail is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. If you believe this e-mail was sent to you in error and the e-mail contains patient information, please contact the Partners Compliance HelpLine at http://www.partners.org/complianceline . If the e-mail was sent to you in error but does not contain patient information, please contact the sender and properly dispose of the e-mail. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco LWAPP- The change from WLAN Override to AP Groups- Pain?
Hector, What was your code path for the WiSM i.e. did you start with 4.x and go straight to 5.2.178, any other 5.x versions in the mix prior, etc? There were a few defects in older 5.x that caused some AP Group issues, so I'm just wondering if your problem now has to do with some lingering issue from a previous release. I know of one that concerned WLANs that all start with the same letter/numbers e.g. lsu... Jeff Hector J Rios hr...@lsu.edu 6/12/2009 6:38 AM Correct. The WLAN exists, but since it is not in any AP-group, it is not being transmitted. Hector Rios -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:wireless-...@listserv.educause.edu] On Behalf Of Lee H Badman Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 6:52 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco LWAPP- The change from WLAN Override to AP Groups- Pain? Hector- For clarity, if you configure an AP and simply leave it in the default group, are you saying that in some cases all SSIDs don't get transmitted? This (WLAN Override) has been the one single area I point to since the Airespace days that was fundamentally wrongly implemented. Was hoping that the new AP Groups would be the long overdue salvation. Please keep us posted, and I wonder if anyone is having production-quality success with the AP groups function? I have this in my near future, so my interest is peaked. Lee Badman From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [wireless-...@listserv.educause.edu] On Behalf Of Hector J Rios [hr...@lsu.edu] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 9:39 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco LWAPP- The change from WLAN Override to AP Groups- Pain? I've got an update on AP groups. We've had quite an interesting week. As I mentioned before, we are running 5.2.178 code on our WiSMs, and after applying the new ap groups to a more extensive number of APs we are started experiencing problems. The one problem that I can mention to you guys is better explained if I paste some output directly from one of our WiSMs' CLI (see below). The command show wlan summary gives you all the WLANs configured in your WiSM. The command show wlan apgroups should list all apgroups configured and their associated WLANS. The interesting thing is that the default-group is the one group that is not user-created, cannot be erased and therefore should contain all the WLANs. It is clear that is not the case for us and that's just one of the issues we have run into so far. We've been working with TAC hoping they can provide us with a solution. This could be very specific to our setup, but I just wanted to pass it along to make you guys aware of this potential issue. You've been warned. Thanks, Hector Rios Louisiana State University (WiSM-slot1-1) show wlan summary Number of WLANs.. 8 WLAN ID WLAN Profile Name / SSID StatusInterface Name --- - 1lsusecure / lsusecure Enabled lsusecure 2lsuwireless / lsuwireless Enabled grokpage 3lsuguest / lsuguestEnabled lsuguest 4lsuregmac / lsuregmac Enabled lsuregmac 5geaux0wire / geaux0wireDisabled lsuguest 6cct / cct Enabled lsusecure 7voip / voipEnabled lsusecure 8lsuwpa / lsuwpaEnabled lsuwpa (WiSM-slot1-1) show wlan apgroups Site Name default-group Site Description. none WLAN ID Interface Network Admission Control --- ----- 1 lsusecureDisabled 2 grokpage Disabled 3 lsuguest Disabled 4 lsuregmacDisabled 8 lsuwpa Disabled ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco LWAPP- The change from WLAN Override to AP Groups- Pain?
I've got an update on AP groups. We've had quite an interesting week. As I mentioned before, we are running 5.2.178 code on our WiSMs, and after applying the new ap groups to a more extensive number of APs we are started experiencing problems. The one problem that I can mention to you guys is better explained if I paste some output directly from one of our WiSMs' CLI (see below). The command show wlan summary gives you all the WLANs configured in your WiSM. The command show wlan apgroups should list all apgroups configured and their associated WLANS. The interesting thing is that the default-group is the one group that is not user-created, cannot be erased and therefore should contain all the WLANs. It is clear that is not the case for us and that's just one of the issues we have run into so far. We've been working with TAC hoping they can provide us with a solution. This could be very specific to our setup, but I just wanted to pass it along to make you guys aware of this potential issue. You've been warned. Thanks, Hector Rios Louisiana State University (WiSM-slot1-1) show wlan summary Number of WLANs.. 8 WLAN ID WLAN Profile Name / SSID StatusInterface Name --- - 1lsusecure / lsusecure Enabled lsusecure 2lsuwireless / lsuwireless Enabled grokpage 3lsuguest / lsuguestEnabled lsuguest 4lsuregmac / lsuregmac Enabled lsuregmac 5geaux0wire / geaux0wireDisabled lsuguest 6cct / cct Enabled lsusecure 7voip / voipEnabled lsusecure 8lsuwpa / lsuwpaEnabled lsuwpa (WiSM-slot1-1) show wlan apgroups Site Name default-group Site Description. none WLAN ID Interface Network Admission Control --- ----- 1 lsusecureDisabled 2 grokpage Disabled 3 lsuguest Disabled 4 lsuregmacDisabled 8 lsuwpa Disabled ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco LWAPP- The change from WLAN Override to AP Groups- Pain?
Question IF you create AP groups VLAN ahead of time in the 4.x code and slowly migrate AP's into those groups on the controller (even though wlan override is still set and in use) will the upgrade retain those group settings even though wlan override goes away after the upgrade? If this would work it may be a way to do allot of the migration ahead of time so the actual upgrade is more seamless. Robert Owens Computing and Telecommunication Services Network Group Kansas State University - Original Message - From: Dennis Xu To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 12:12 PM Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco LWAPP- The change from WLAN Override to AP Groups- Pain? Yes after the code upgrade, all the old WLAN override settings are gone and all the APs are put into default-group and broadcasting all SSIDs. Then you need to create AP groups and move APs to appropriate groups. Dennis Lee H Badman wrote: Thanks, Hector (and Jeff and others). That restart the AP thing is a prime beef of mine. means a routine change can only be done during an outage window, and is one more example of the disparity between the WCS UI and the Controller function. We do have several WLANs that go to different APs in different combinations. After the code upgrade, all of the old WLAN Override settings are simply gone from the controllers and all APs, correct? And at that point, are all APs broadcasting all SSIDs, or none? -Lee Lee H. Badman Wireless/Network Engineer Information Technology and Services Syracuse University 315 443-3003 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:wireless-...@listserv.educause.edu] On Behalf Of Hector J Rios Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 12:14 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco LWAPP- The change from WLAN Override to AP Groups- Pain? Lee, We are using it and we like it. We are running 5.2.130 in WCS and 5.2.178 in our controllers. If you are going to have several WLANs going to different APs, you have to create multiple groups and move all your APs into their appropriate groups. AP groups come with a default group that contains all the WLANs and all APs belong to that group unless you change it. So I highly recommend that you move all your APs off of the default group. You can create and push all your groups through WCS. On gotcha that we have found is that when you move an AP into a AP group, if you use WCS, it will restart the AP, if you use a controller, it doesn't. Don't know why. Thanks, Hector Rios Louisiana State University From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:wireless-...@listserv.educause.edu] On Behalf Of Lee H Badman Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 9:49 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco LWAPP- The change from WLAN Override to AP Groups- Pain? Knowing that some have already gone down this road. We are still on stable 4.2.code, have not jumped to 5 yet. It is our understanding that stable 5 code will be coming out soon, and we have several reasons to go to the 5 train (I realize 6 is also coming out, but may be too bleeding edge for us out of the gate). All of that aside, when we move out of 4.2 into 5, we will thankfully put WLAN Override behind us. But is a feature we use extensively out of necessity, and so we'll most certainly need to use AP Groups in the more current code. I'm wondering what the pain was in transitioning from WLAN Override to AP Groups on a large scale during the code upgrade, and if there were any particular issues of note during the process. Thanks- Lee Lee H. Badman Wireless/Network Engineer Information Technology and Services Syracuse University 315 443-3003 ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco LWAPP- The change from WLAN Override to AP Groups- Pain?
I have to correct myself. When APs are assigned to new AP groups, the APs need to be restarted for the new changes to take effect. WCS will do this automatically. It is a little deceiving when you do it from the controller because when you apply the changes, there is no pop-up alerting you that you need to restart the APs (just like when you do it for WLAN override). Now they just have a small footnote. Hector ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco LWAPP- The change from WLAN Override to AP Groups- Pain?
Ap groups are broken in certain versions of WCS. When you push a vlan group from WCS to a controller I would make sure it sets the vlan properly on the controller. Then the aps need a reboot once they are assigned to a group. I have noticed that they don't always reboot through WCS. We have to go make a visit to the 1252's POE injector to reboot them. From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:wireless-...@listserv.educause.edu] On Behalf Of Lee H Badman Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 9:49 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco LWAPP- The change from WLAN Override to AP Groups- Pain? Knowing that some have already gone down this road... We are still on stable 4.2.code, have not jumped to 5 yet. It is our understanding that stable 5 code will be coming out soon, and we have several reasons to go to the 5 train (I realize 6 is also coming out, but may be too bleeding edge for us out of the gate). All of that aside, when we move out of 4.2 into 5, we will thankfully put WLAN Override behind us. But is a feature we use extensively out of necessity, and so we'll most certainly need to use AP Groups in the more current code. I'm wondering what the pain was in transitioning from WLAN Override to AP Groups on a large scale during the code upgrade, and if there were any particular issues of note during the process. Thanks- Lee Lee H. Badman Wireless/Network Engineer Information Technology and Services Syracuse University 315 443-3003 ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco LWAPP- The change from WLAN Override to AP Groups- Pain?
Upgrade WCS to the latest version ahead of time and build new AP groups based on your WLAN Override settings in WCS. Upgrade the controllers to at least 5.2.178.xx (it has the VLAN group fix). Push out VLAN groups from WCS to the controllers. Jeff Lee H Badman lhbad...@syr.edu 05/29/09 7:49 AM Knowing that some have already gone down this road... We are still on stable 4.2.code, have not jumped to 5 yet. It is our understanding that stable 5 code will be coming out soon, and we have several reasons to go to the 5 train (I realize 6 is also coming out, but may be too bleeding edge for us out of the gate). All of that aside, when we move out of 4.2 into 5, we will thankfully put WLAN Override behind us. But is a feature we use extensively out of necessity, and so we'll most certainly need to use AP Groups in the more current code. I'm wondering what the pain was in transitioning from WLAN Override to AP Groups on a large scale during the code upgrade, and if there were any particular issues of note during the process. Thanks- Lee Lee H. Badman Wireless/Network Engineer Information Technology and Services Syracuse University 315 443-3003 ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. /lhbad...@syr.edu ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco LWAPP- The change from WLAN Override to AP Groups- Pain?
Lee, We are using it and we like it. We are running 5.2.130 in WCS and 5.2.178 in our controllers. If you are going to have several WLANs going to different APs, you have to create multiple groups and move all your APs into their appropriate groups. AP groups come with a default group that contains all the WLANs and all APs belong to that group unless you change it. So I highly recommend that you move all your APs off of the default group. You can create and push all your groups through WCS. On gotcha that we have found is that when you move an AP into a AP group, if you use WCS, it will restart the AP, if you use a controller, it doesn't. Don't know why. Thanks, Hector Rios Louisiana State University From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:wireless-...@listserv.educause.edu] On Behalf Of Lee H Badman Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 9:49 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco LWAPP- The change from WLAN Override to AP Groups- Pain? Knowing that some have already gone down this road... We are still on stable 4.2.code, have not jumped to 5 yet. It is our understanding that stable 5 code will be coming out soon, and we have several reasons to go to the 5 train (I realize 6 is also coming out, but may be too bleeding edge for us out of the gate). All of that aside, when we move out of 4.2 into 5, we will thankfully put WLAN Override behind us. But is a feature we use extensively out of necessity, and so we'll most certainly need to use AP Groups in the more current code. I'm wondering what the pain was in transitioning from WLAN Override to AP Groups on a large scale during the code upgrade, and if there were any particular issues of note during the process. Thanks- Lee Lee H. Badman Wireless/Network Engineer Information Technology and Services Syracuse University 315 443-3003 ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco LWAPP- The change from WLAN Override to AP Groups- Pain?
Thanks, Hector (and Jeff and others). That restart the AP thing is a prime beef of mine... means a routine change can only be done during an outage window, and is one more example of the disparity between the WCS UI and the Controller function. We do have several WLANs that go to different APs in different combinations. After the code upgrade, all of the old WLAN Override settings are simply gone from the controllers and all APs, correct? And at that point, are all APs broadcasting all SSIDs, or none? -Lee Lee H. Badman Wireless/Network Engineer Information Technology and Services Syracuse University 315 443-3003 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:wireless-...@listserv.educause.edu] On Behalf Of Hector J Rios Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 12:14 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco LWAPP- The change from WLAN Override to AP Groups- Pain? Lee, We are using it and we like it. We are running 5.2.130 in WCS and 5.2.178 in our controllers. If you are going to have several WLANs going to different APs, you have to create multiple groups and move all your APs into their appropriate groups. AP groups come with a default group that contains all the WLANs and all APs belong to that group unless you change it. So I highly recommend that you move all your APs off of the default group. You can create and push all your groups through WCS. On gotcha that we have found is that when you move an AP into a AP group, if you use WCS, it will restart the AP, if you use a controller, it doesn't. Don't know why. Thanks, Hector Rios Louisiana State University From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:wireless-...@listserv.educause.edu] On Behalf Of Lee H Badman Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 9:49 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco LWAPP- The change from WLAN Override to AP Groups- Pain? Knowing that some have already gone down this road... We are still on stable 4.2.code, have not jumped to 5 yet. It is our understanding that stable 5 code will be coming out soon, and we have several reasons to go to the 5 train (I realize 6 is also coming out, but may be too bleeding edge for us out of the gate). All of that aside, when we move out of 4.2 into 5, we will thankfully put WLAN Override behind us. But is a feature we use extensively out of necessity, and so we'll most certainly need to use AP Groups in the more current code. I'm wondering what the pain was in transitioning from WLAN Override to AP Groups on a large scale during the code upgrade, and if there were any particular issues of note during the process. Thanks- Lee Lee H. Badman Wireless/Network Engineer Information Technology and Services Syracuse University 315 443-3003 ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco LWAPP- The change from WLAN Override to AP Groups- Pain?
Yes after the code upgrade, all the old WLAN override settings are gone and all the APs are put into default-group and broadcasting all SSIDs. Then you need to create AP groups and move APs to appropriate groups. Dennis Lee H Badman wrote: Thanks, Hector (and Jeff and others). That restart the AP thing is a prime beef of mine means a routine change can only be done during an outage window, and is one more example of the disparity between the WCS UI and the Controller function. We do have several WLANs that go to different APs in different combinations. After the code upgrade, all of the old WLAN Override settings are simply gone from the controllers and all APs, correct? And at that point, are all APs broadcasting all SSIDs, or none? -Lee Lee H. Badman Wireless/Network Engineer Information Technology and Services Syracuse University 315 443-3003 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Hector J Rios Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 12:14 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco LWAPP- The change from WLAN Override to AP Groups- Pain? Lee, We are using it and we like it. We are running 5.2.130 in WCS and 5.2.178 in our controllers. If you are going to have several WLANs going to different APs, you have to create multiple groups and move all your APs into their appropriate groups. AP groups come with a default group that contains all the WLANs and all APs belong to that group unless you change it. So I highly recommend that you move all your APs off of the default group. You can create and push all your groups through WCS. On gotcha that we have found is that when you move an AP into a AP group, if you use WCS, it will restart the AP, if you use a controller, it doesnt. Dont know why. Thanks, Hector Rios Louisiana State University From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Lee H Badman Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 9:49 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco LWAPP- The change from WLAN Override to AP Groups- Pain? Knowing that some have already gone down this road We are still on stable 4.2.code, have not jumped to 5 yet. It is our understanding that stable 5 code will be coming out soon, and we have several reasons to go to the 5 train (I realize 6 is also coming out, but may be too bleeding edge for us out of the gate). All of that aside, when we move out of 4.2 into 5, we will thankfully put WLAN Override behind us. But is a feature we use extensively out of necessity, and so well most certainly need to use AP Groups in the more current code. Im wondering what the pain was in transitioning from WLAN Override to AP Groups on a large scale during the code upgrade, and if there were any particular issues of note during the process. Thanks- Lee Lee H. Badman Wireless/Network Engineer Information Technology and Services Syracuse University 315 443-3003 ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
