Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] See you at Educause...(Denver, CO)
One other related category that we've run into a few times is research equipment, most notably robotics. I just recently dealt with a brand new, state of the art $200k robot that only supports PSK - no 802.1x support at all. While they're not that dissimilar from the consumer grade devices (in the above robot, I suspect it's wireless was in fact provided by a consumer grade belkin adapter), the critical academic research classification and the amount of research money behind them effectively means they have to get treated very differently than my Wii can't stream netflix complaints. Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu| For every problem, there is a solution that Manager of Network Operations | is simple, elegant, and wrong. Worcester Polytechnic Institute | - HL Mencken On 11/5/2012 8:46 PM, Hanset, Philippe C wrote: Colleen, - What are others doing to support home networking products in the enterprise (besides just Apple products)? Ways to do this without having to completely adapt a vendor solution be locked into an end to end solution. Could you (or anyone on the list) give a few examples of home networking products that you have in mind and the challenges that come with them I can think of: Printers (interference, security, being on same layer 2) the slew of Apple products (and equivalent products) (the challenges of mDNS) Game consoles (the ones that cannot do 802.1x) What else? - Any good success stories with IPv6 on wireless? Or location based authZ on wireless? Any specific use case for Location based AuthZ on Wi-Fi? I know I'll have access to login after the conference is over to review the session, so I hope these will be discussed! The session is not recorded but we will try to provide a good summary of the discussion back on the list Thanks, Philippe Colleen Szymanik University of Pennsylvania On Nov 5, 2012, at 2:44 PM, Entwistle, Bruce bruce_entwis...@redlands.edu wrote: I am unable to attend but would be interested in comments related to the topics mentioned. Bruce Entwistle Network Manager University of Redlands -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Hanset, Philippe C Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 4:25 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] See you at Educause...(Denver, CO) The Wireless-LAN session is on Wednesday Nov 7, from 10:30 till 11:20 Mountain Time, room 402. Topics that come to mind: -802.11AC Why wait? Why jump? -How to empower users with Bonjour needs? (or consequences for not doing it) -Is Wireless management slowly moving to the switch? What does it mean for us? (Will it all work with openflow seamlessly?) Any other topic you want us to discuss? Thanks, Have a good Weekend, Philippe Univ. of TN ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] See you at Educause...(Denver, CO)
Yes, we deal with robotic devices not having support for 802.1x as well, but also the lower end video and ereaders, like Nooks and Roku (there's a $50 version that is wireless only and the lower Kindle version - not fire). We use EAP-TTLS and the Nooks took out the certificate support (since our bookstore is BN, it doesn't help matters). We haven't heard of too many complaints about the lack of 802.1x support for printers (I think students have decided it's not worth supplying their entire floor color ink cartridges these days). And Wii hasn't been an issue (we haven't supported data rates lower than 11 for years - we tell them to plug in their Wii and most gaming consoles). At this point, we need to figure out better long term strategies for these types of devices, which is why I was trying to see if it could be added to the discussion. With the advent of refreshing wireless hardware for new standards like 802.11ac and the next generation, I want to get us to a point where we able to have good options moving forward. Given all that, I wanted to assess where others were with location based services. We have everything setup here to maintain the same IP address as you roam across campus. We are looking to see if we can start to tie that into building resources like location based printing. Also, we had IPv6 enabled for all of our wireless networks but the L3 mobility piece wasn't ready yet, so we are waiting for some other fixes. I would love to hear a measurement of where others are with IPv6 support. -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Frank Sweetser Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 6:42 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] See you at Educause...(Denver, CO) One other related category that we've run into a few times is research equipment, most notably robotics. I just recently dealt with a brand new, state of the art $200k robot that only supports PSK - no 802.1x support at all. While they're not that dissimilar from the consumer grade devices (in the above robot, I suspect it's wireless was in fact provided by a consumer grade belkin adapter), the critical academic research classification and the amount of research money behind them effectively means they have to get treated very differently than my Wii can't stream netflix complaints. Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu| For every problem, there is a solution that Manager of Network Operations | is simple, elegant, and wrong. Worcester Polytechnic Institute | - HL Mencken On 11/5/2012 8:46 PM, Hanset, Philippe C wrote: Colleen, - What are others doing to support home networking products in the enterprise (besides just Apple products)? Ways to do this without having to completely adapt a vendor solution be locked into an end to end solution. Could you (or anyone on the list) give a few examples of home networking products that you have in mind and the challenges that come with them I can think of: Printers (interference, security, being on same layer 2) the slew of Apple products (and equivalent products) (the challenges of mDNS) Game consoles (the ones that cannot do 802.1x) What else? - Any good success stories with IPv6 on wireless? Or location based authZ on wireless? Any specific use case for Location based AuthZ on Wi-Fi? I know I'll have access to login after the conference is over to review the session, so I hope these will be discussed! The session is not recorded but we will try to provide a good summary of the discussion back on the list Thanks, Philippe Colleen Szymanik University of Pennsylvania On Nov 5, 2012, at 2:44 PM, Entwistle, Bruce bruce_entwis...@redlands.edu wrote: I am unable to attend but would be interested in comments related to the topics mentioned. Bruce Entwistle Network Manager University of Redlands -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Hanset, Philippe C Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 4:25 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] See you at Educause...(Denver, CO) The Wireless-LAN session is on Wednesday Nov 7, from 10:30 till 11:20 Mountain Time, room 402. Topics that come to mind: -802.11AC Why wait? Why jump? -How to empower users with Bonjour needs? (or consequences for not doing it) -Is Wireless management slowly moving to the switch? What does it mean for us? (Will it all work with openflow seamlessly?) Any other topic you want us to discuss? Thanks, Have a good Weekend, Philippe Univ. of TN ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] See you at Educause...(Denver, CO)
I am unable to attend but would be interested in comments related to the topics mentioned. Bruce Entwistle Network Manager University of Redlands -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Hanset, Philippe C Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 4:25 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] See you at Educause...(Denver, CO) The Wireless-LAN session is on Wednesday Nov 7, from 10:30 till 11:20 Mountain Time, room 402. Topics that come to mind: -802.11AC Why wait? Why jump? -How to empower users with Bonjour needs? (or consequences for not doing it) -Is Wireless management slowly moving to the switch? What does it mean for us? (Will it all work with openflow seamlessly?) Any other topic you want us to discuss? Thanks, Have a good Weekend, Philippe Univ. of TN ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] See you at Educause...(Denver, CO)
I am interested in hearing about these topics as well, but I'm not @ Educause this week either. A couple other things I'd love to hear about from others: - What are others doing to support home networking products in the enterprise (besides just Apple products)? Ways to do this without having to completely adapt a vendor solution be locked into an end to end solution. - Any good success stories with IPv6 on wireless? Or location based authZ on wireless? I know I'll have access to login after the conference is over to review the session, so I hope these will be discussed! Colleen Szymanik University of Pennsylvania On Nov 5, 2012, at 2:44 PM, Entwistle, Bruce bruce_entwis...@redlands.edu wrote: I am unable to attend but would be interested in comments related to the topics mentioned. Bruce Entwistle Network Manager University of Redlands -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Hanset, Philippe C Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 4:25 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] See you at Educause...(Denver, CO) The Wireless-LAN session is on Wednesday Nov 7, from 10:30 till 11:20 Mountain Time, room 402. Topics that come to mind: -802.11AC Why wait? Why jump? -How to empower users with Bonjour needs? (or consequences for not doing it) -Is Wireless management slowly moving to the switch? What does it mean for us? (Will it all work with openflow seamlessly?) Any other topic you want us to discuss? Thanks, Have a good Weekend, Philippe Univ. of TN ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] See you at Educause…(Denver, CO)
Your going to Cancun, Lee? I'm hoping to make it out to Orlando for Cisco Live next June. Mike On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 9:44 PM, Lee H Badman lhbad...@syr.edu wrote: I will be at Cisco Live, but wish you all a good meeting and kind regards. -Lee Badman On Nov 2, 2012, at 19:25, Hanset, Philippe C phan...@utk.edu wrote: The Wireless-LAN session is on Wednesday Nov 7, from 10:30 till 11:20 Mountain Time, room 402. Topics that come to mind: -802.11AC Why wait? Why jump? -How to empower users with Bonjour needs? (or consequences for not doing it) -Is Wireless management slowly moving to the switch? What does it mean for us? (Will it all work with openflow seamlessly?) Any other topic you want us to discuss? Thanks, Have a good Weekend, Philippe Univ. of TN ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] See you at Educause…(Denver, CO)
I am doing the Cancun thing, yes. Hoping to see some other higher ed types in the mix:) Lee H. Badman Network Architect/Wireless TME ITS, Syracuse University 315.443.3003 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] on behalf of Mike King [m...@mpking.com] Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 11:12 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] See you at Educause…(Denver, CO) Your going to Cancun, Lee? I'm hoping to make it out to Orlando for Cisco Live next June. Mike On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 9:44 PM, Lee H Badman lhbad...@syr.edumailto:lhbad...@syr.edu wrote: I will be at Cisco Live, but wish you all a good meeting and kind regards. -Lee Badman On Nov 2, 2012, at 19:25, Hanset, Philippe C phan...@utk.edumailto:phan...@utk.edu wrote: The Wireless-LAN session is on Wednesday Nov 7, from 10:30 till 11:20 Mountain Time, room 402. Topics that come to mind: -802.11AC Why wait? Why jump? -How to empower users with Bonjour needs? (or consequences for not doing it) -Is Wireless management slowly moving to the switch? What does it mean for us? (Will it all work with openflow seamlessly?) Any other topic you want us to discuss? Thanks, Have a good Weekend, Philippe Univ. of TN ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] See you at Educause…(Denver, CO)
I will be at Cisco Live, but wish you all a good meeting and kind regards. -Lee Badman On Nov 2, 2012, at 19:25, Hanset, Philippe C phan...@utk.edu wrote: The Wireless-LAN session is on Wednesday Nov 7, from 10:30 till 11:20 Mountain Time, room 402. Topics that come to mind: -802.11AC Why wait? Why jump? -How to empower users with Bonjour needs? (or consequences for not doing it) -Is Wireless management slowly moving to the switch? What does it mean for us? (Will it all work with openflow seamlessly?) Any other topic you want us to discuss? Thanks, Have a good Weekend, Philippe Univ. of TN ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
