RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Student Wireless Printers in Dorms
I would LOVE to see wireless printers support 802.1x/WPA-Enterprise authentication, but I'm not holding my breath. The same is true for game consoles (Xboxes, Wiis, etc), but that's even more unlikely - especially since the Wii has trouble connecting to an 802.11g network without dot11b data rates enabled. I wish vendors would get it "right" with their wireless drivers and authentication support - or win the lottery. I probably have a better chance of winning the lottery, though. >>-> Stan Brooks - CWNA/CWSP Emory University University Technology Services 404.727.0226 AIM/Y!/Twitter: WLANstan MSN: wlans...@hotmail.com GoogleTalk: wlans...@gmail.com -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:wireless-...@listserv.educause.edu] On Behalf Of Bruce Curtis Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 1:54 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Student Wireless Printers in Dorms On Aug 26, 2010, at 8:20 PM, Lee H Badman wrote: > Hi Stan- > > Your thoughts are a carbon copy of my own, and your approach mirrors what we > are doing now. At the same time, a lot of parents and those who want to keep > them happy would love to see a silver bullet emerge that somehow makes it all > work. I'm picturing some not yet existent protocol/framework developed just > for higher ed by the printer folks and WLAN makers. Actually I think the right combination of existing protocols would work. If the printers supported 802.1x authentication for WPA2 Enterprise, and IPsec over IPV6. IPv6 support would solve the problem of having enough IP numbers and IPsec support would be a way to only allow certain computers to print to the printer. With some new federal requirements we may actually see more printers support IPsec. But maybe not the $40 printers for a while. https://sites.google.com/site/ipv6implementors/2010/agenda/LT_03_Narten_IPv6-USGv6-Google.pdf?attredirects=0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U45hV16LA1A#t=1h34m4s > And I'd like a pony and some ice cream and to win the lottery:) Winning the lottery would be fine for me, then I could buy my own pony and ice cream. :-) > -Lee > > > From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv > [wireless-...@listserv.educause.edu] On Behalf Of Brooks, Stan > [stan.bro...@emory.edu] > Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 6:50 PM > To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU > Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Student Wireless Printers in Dorms > > Lee, > > The answer is buy a Bluetooth printer or get a USB cable. > > At Emory, we do not support or allow wireless printers on our network. There > is no easy way to manage these devices. They don't support 802.1x > authentication, so they would have to go on either an open or WPA-PSK > wireless network. Even if they got connected, there is no guarantee that the > student would find their printer since we don't do static IPs on our wireless > network and we use Aruba's VLAN pooling to provide manageable subnets on our > controllers, so a wireless user and their wireless printer may end up on > separate subnets. > > An additional disincentive for wireless printing is that others could see and > print pages to the student's printer. While this may make an interesting > practical joke, I think the student who ends up with 100's of pages of > garbage spewing from their printer will not be amused at the waste of paper > and ink. > > If we see wireless printers, we ask the students to turn off the wireless > interface and strongly recommend that they invest in a USB cable for printing. > >>> -> Stan Brooks - CWNA/CWSP > Emory University > University Technology Services > 404.727.0226 > AIM/Y!/Twitter: WLANstan > MSN: wlans...@hotmail.com<mailto:wlans...@hotmail.com> >GoogleTalk: wlans...@gmail.com<mailto:wlans...@gmail.com> > > From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv > [mailto:wireless-...@listserv.educause.edu] On Behalf Of Lee H Badman > Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 6:08 PM > To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU > Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Student Wireless Printers in Dorms > > Is not the first time this topic has been put out there, but the semester > opening once again pushes it out front and center. > > Has anyone found a supportable, comfortable way to squeeze hundreds of $40 > wireless printers into your carefully designed and tuned 802.1x-auth/secure > residential WLANs? They tend not to run enterprise security profiles, and > even if they did, there are still a lot of questions about how you'd use them &g
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Student Wireless Printers in Dorms
On Aug 26, 2010, at 8:20 PM, Lee H Badman wrote: > Hi Stan- > > Your thoughts are a carbon copy of my own, and your approach mirrors what we > are doing now. At the same time, a lot of parents and those who want to keep > them happy would love to see a silver bullet emerge that somehow makes it all > work. I'm picturing some not yet existent protocol/framework developed just > for higher ed by the printer folks and WLAN makers. Actually I think the right combination of existing protocols would work. If the printers supported 802.1x authentication for WPA2 Enterprise, and IPsec over IPV6. IPv6 support would solve the problem of having enough IP numbers and IPsec support would be a way to only allow certain computers to print to the printer. With some new federal requirements we may actually see more printers support IPsec. But maybe not the $40 printers for a while. https://sites.google.com/site/ipv6implementors/2010/agenda/LT_03_Narten_IPv6-USGv6-Google.pdf?attredirects=0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U45hV16LA1A#t=1h34m4s > And I'd like a pony and some ice cream and to win the lottery:) Winning the lottery would be fine for me, then I could buy my own pony and ice cream. :-) > -Lee > > > From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv > [wireless-...@listserv.educause.edu] On Behalf Of Brooks, Stan > [stan.bro...@emory.edu] > Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 6:50 PM > To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU > Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Student Wireless Printers in Dorms > > Lee, > > The answer is buy a Bluetooth printer or get a USB cable. > > At Emory, we do not support or allow wireless printers on our network. There > is no easy way to manage these devices. They don’t support 802.1x > authentication, so they would have to go on either an open or WPA-PSK > wireless network. Even if they got connected, there is no guarantee that the > student would find their printer since we don’t do static IPs on our wireless > network and we use Aruba’s VLAN pooling to provide manageable subnets on our > controllers, so a wireless user and their wireless printer may end up on > separate subnets. > > An additional disincentive for wireless printing is that others could see and > print pages to the student’s printer. While this may make an interesting > practical joke, I think the student who ends up with 100’s of pages of > garbage spewing from their printer will not be amused at the waste of paper > and ink. > > If we see wireless printers, we ask the students to turn off the wireless > interface and strongly recommend that they invest in a USB cable for printing. > >>> -> Stan Brooks - CWNA/CWSP > Emory University > University Technology Services > 404.727.0226 > AIM/Y!/Twitter: WLANstan > MSN: wlans...@hotmail.com<mailto:wlans...@hotmail.com> >GoogleTalk: wlans...@gmail.com<mailto:wlans...@gmail.com> > > From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv > [mailto:wireless-...@listserv.educause.edu] On Behalf Of Lee H Badman > Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 6:08 PM > To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU > Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Student Wireless Printers in Dorms > > Is not the first time this topic has been put out there, but the semester > opening once again pushes it out front and center. > > Has anyone found a supportable, comfortable way to squeeze hundreds of $40 > wireless printers into your carefully designed and tuned 802.1x-auth/secure > residential WLANs? They tend not to run enterprise security profiles, and > even if they did, there are still a lot of questions about how you’d use them > as authorized clients. > > Thanks- > > Lee Badman > > > > > ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE > Constituent Group discussion list can be found at > http://www.educause.edu/groups/. > > > This e-mail message (including any attachments) is for the sole use of > the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged > information. If the reader of this message is not the intended > recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution > or copying of this message (including any attachments) is strictly > prohibited. > > If you have received this message in error, please contact > the sender by reply e-mail message and destroy all copies of the > original message (including attachments). > ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE > Constituent Group discussion list can be found at > http://www.educause.edu/groups/. > &g
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Student Wireless Printers in Dorms
Lee, We've supplied a network-connected laser printer in each of our residential halls for 10+ years, and students can print from their personal computers to either the residential or lab printers. This alone has limited the appeal of having a local printer so it's not been a big problem here. We also recommend against local printers in our mailings to new students, and recommend a USB connection if one chooses to bring one anyway. Even if one does show up, it typically lasts until the first set of ink cartridges runs out, at which time the cost to replace them typically results in the printer becoming a door stop. Jeff >>> Lee H Badman 08/26/10 3:08 PM >>> Is not the first time this topic has been put out there, but the semester opening once again pushes it out front and center. Has anyone found a supportable, comfortable way to squeeze hundreds of $40 wireless printers into your carefully designed and tuned 802.1x-auth/secure residential WLANs? They tend not to run enterprise security profiles, and even if they did, there are still a lot of questions about how you'd use them as authorized clients. Thanks- Lee Badman ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Student Wireless Printers in Dorms
That is basically what we do here. http://uniprint.osu.edu/printman/osuprintmap/ == Ryan Holland Network Engineer, Wireless Office of the Chief Information Officer The Ohio State University 614-292-9906 holland@osu.edu On Aug 27, 2010, at 12:08 AM, Coehoorn, Joel wrote: > Where I'm at we're working on an alternative to basically remove the > temptation. It's not ready yet, but hopefully by next semester our students > should be able to connect to computer lab printers from their personal > computers via the web printing feature in windows server. This is a better > solution for most people than having a printer in the room, as there's no ink > to buy. We have a software solution (pcounter) that layers over the typical > IP printer port to track print jobs via students' user ids to prevent abuse - > we can bill students for excessive printing and if it becomes necessary have > records of who was sending print jobs where and when for tracking other > badness. > > Joel Coehoorn > > > > > On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 10:44 PM, Frank Bulk wrote: > Google is already on to that: > http://blog.chromium.org/2010/04/new-approach-to-printing.html > > Frank > > -Original Message- > From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv > [mailto:wireless-...@listserv.educause.edu] On Behalf Of Lee H Badman > Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 8:21 PM > To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU > Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Student Wireless Printers in Dorms > > Hi Stan- > > Your thoughts are a carbon copy of my own, and your approach mirrors what we > are doing now. At the same time, a lot of parents and those who want to keep > them happy would love to see a silver bullet emerge that somehow makes it > all work. I'm picturing some not yet existent protocol/framework developed > just for higher ed by the printer folks and WLAN makers. > > And I'd like a pony and some ice cream and to win the lottery:) > > -Lee > > > From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv > [wireless-...@listserv.educause.edu] On Behalf Of Brooks, Stan > [stan.bro...@emory.edu] > Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 6:50 PM > To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU > Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Student Wireless Printers in Dorms > > Lee, > > The answer is buy a Bluetooth printer or get a USB cable. > > At Emory, we do not support or allow wireless printers on our network. > There is no easy way to manage these devices. They don't support 802.1x > authentication, so they would have to go on either an open or WPA-PSK > wireless network. Even if they got connected, there is no guarantee that > the student would find their printer since we don't do static IPs on our > wireless network and we use Aruba's VLAN pooling to provide manageable > subnets on our controllers, so a wireless user and their wireless printer > may end up on separate subnets. > > An additional disincentive for wireless printing is that others could see > and print pages to the student's printer. While this may make an > interesting practical joke, I think the student who ends up with 100's of > pages of garbage spewing from their printer will not be amused at the waste > of paper and ink. > > If we see wireless printers, we ask the students to turn off the wireless > interface and strongly recommend that they invest in a USB cable for > printing. > > >>-> Stan Brooks - CWNA/CWSP > Emory University > University Technology Services > 404.727.0226 > AIM/Y!/Twitter: WLANstan > MSN: wlans...@hotmail.com<mailto:wlans...@hotmail.com> >GoogleTalk: wlans...@gmail.com<mailto:wlans...@gmail.com> > > From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv > [mailto:wireless-...@listserv.educause.edu] On Behalf Of Lee H Badman > Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 6:08 PM > To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU > Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Student Wireless Printers in Dorms > > Is not the first time this topic has been put out there, but the semester > opening once again pushes it out front and center. > > Has anyone found a supportable, comfortable way to squeeze hundreds of $40 > wireless printers into your carefully designed and tuned 802.1x-auth/secure > residential WLANs? They tend not to run enterprise security profiles, and > even if they did, there are still a lot of questions about how you'd use > them as authorized clients. > > Thanks- > > Lee Badman > > > > > ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE > Constituent G
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Student Wireless Printers in Dorms
Where I'm at we're working on an alternative to basically remove the temptation. It's not ready yet, but hopefully by next semester our students should be able to connect to computer lab printers from their personal computers via the web printing feature in windows server. This is a better solution for most people than having a printer in the room, as there's no ink to buy. We have a software solution (pcounter) that layers over the typical IP printer port to track print jobs via students' user ids to prevent abuse - we can bill students for excessive printing and if it becomes necessary have records of who was sending print jobs where and when for tracking other badness. Joel Coehoorn On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 10:44 PM, Frank Bulk wrote: > Google is already on to that: > http://blog.chromium.org/2010/04/new-approach-to-printing.html > > Frank > > -Original Message- > From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv > [mailto:wireless-...@listserv.educause.edu] On Behalf Of Lee H Badman > Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 8:21 PM > To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU > Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Student Wireless Printers in Dorms > > Hi Stan- > > Your thoughts are a carbon copy of my own, and your approach mirrors what > we > are doing now. At the same time, a lot of parents and those who want to > keep > them happy would love to see a silver bullet emerge that somehow makes it > all work. I'm picturing some not yet existent protocol/framework developed > just for higher ed by the printer folks and WLAN makers. > > And I'd like a pony and some ice cream and to win the lottery:) > > -Lee > > > From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv > [wireless-...@listserv.educause.edu] On Behalf Of Brooks, Stan > [stan.bro...@emory.edu] > Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 6:50 PM > To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU > Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Student Wireless Printers in Dorms > > Lee, > > The answer is buy a Bluetooth printer or get a USB cable. > > At Emory, we do not support or allow wireless printers on our network. > There is no easy way to manage these devices. They don't support 802.1x > authentication, so they would have to go on either an open or WPA-PSK > wireless network. Even if they got connected, there is no guarantee that > the student would find their printer since we don't do static IPs on our > wireless network and we use Aruba's VLAN pooling to provide manageable > subnets on our controllers, so a wireless user and their wireless printer > may end up on separate subnets. > > An additional disincentive for wireless printing is that others could see > and print pages to the student's printer. While this may make an > interesting practical joke, I think the student who ends up with 100's of > pages of garbage spewing from their printer will not be amused at the waste > of paper and ink. > > If we see wireless printers, we ask the students to turn off the wireless > interface and strongly recommend that they invest in a USB cable for > printing. > > >>-> Stan Brooks - CWNA/CWSP > Emory University > University Technology Services > 404.727.0226 > AIM/Y!/Twitter: WLANstan > MSN: wlans...@hotmail.com<mailto:wlans...@hotmail.com> >GoogleTalk: wlans...@gmail.com<mailto:wlans...@gmail.com> > > From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv > [mailto:wireless-...@listserv.educause.edu] On Behalf Of Lee H Badman > Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 6:08 PM > To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU > Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Student Wireless Printers in Dorms > > Is not the first time this topic has been put out there, but the semester > opening once again pushes it out front and center. > > Has anyone found a supportable, comfortable way to squeeze hundreds of $40 > wireless printers into your carefully designed and tuned 802.1x-auth/secure > residential WLANs? They tend not to run enterprise security profiles, and > even if they did, there are still a lot of questions about how you'd use > them as authorized clients. > > Thanks- > > Lee Badman > > > > > ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE > Constituent Group discussion list can be found at > http://www.educause.edu/groups/. > > > This e-mail message (including any attachments) is for the sole use of > the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged > information. If the reader of this message is not the intended > recipient, you are hereby notified that any diss
