Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks?

[Jeffrey D. Sessler]

It is very fascinating. I do encourage folks to get a DMARC record created for 
their respective domain(s), and set it to an initial policy of none e.g. p=none 
(do nothing). Include a third party processor to act as the record keeper for 
the receiving systems that honor DMARC and will send reports back on actions 
taken. It’s the first, and most important step, in understanding what’s going 
on with your domain’s email i.e. who’d spoofing what, and are you missing 
authorized third parties. Eventually you’ll get to a point where you can get to 
a p=quarantine or p=reject.

I use https://dmarcian.com/ and have found it enlightening – especially the 
number of list servers that still spoof users.

Jeff

From: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> 
on behalf of "Forrester, Matthew" <mforres...@berry.edu>
Reply-To: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
<WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Date: Friday, November 10, 2017 at 10:39 AM
To: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks?

Fascinating!  I appreciate this information.  I did find that “blog” by Terry 
Zink once I started googling the error.  I’m glad to understand this function.  
Again, I apologize for the off-topic conversation.

Hope you all enjoy the weekend,

Matt Forrester (07C)
Senior Systems Engineer
Berry College
O: 706-802-6725

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Jeffrey D. Sessler
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 1:15 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks?

This is likely a DMARC failure based on that sender’s record for their domain. 
They’ve basically told other receiving systems to reject messages that fail 
DKIM/SPF. In the case of listservers like this one, which may spoof the 
sender’s address, it will result in rejections or warnings on receiving systems 
that honor DMARC.

This is partially solvable if the LSOFT listserve platform is up-to-date and 
has enabled DMARC handling. In the case of senders who have a DMARC record with 
reject or quarantine, listserv will not spoof the sender.

There is more on the O365 anti-spoofing here.
https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/tzink/2016/11/02/troubleshooting-the-red-suspicious-safety-tip-for-fraud-detection-checks/

LSOFT (makers of Listserv) really hate DMARC, DKIM, and so on because they 
break a fundamental feature (user spoofing) that the software tends to default 
to.

Jeff

From: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu<mailto:wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu>" 
<WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
on behalf of "Forrester, Matthew" 
<mforres...@berry.edu<mailto:mforres...@berry.edu>>
Reply-To: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu<mailto:wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu>" 
<WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>>
Date: Friday, November 10, 2017 at 8:49 AM
To: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu<mailto:wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu>" 
<WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks?

Hi all,

Off-topic, but I received an odd error when sending this last e-mail to the 
listserv.  Did anyone else receive this notice shown in this screenshot?  It 
appears that this is probably just an issue with some security setting in our 
Office 365 tenant, but I was just curious.  Apologies for the off-topic message.

[cid:image001.png@01D35A19.C316A600]

Thank you,

Matt Forrester (07C)
Senior Systems Engineer
Berry College
O: 706-802-6725

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Forrester, Matthew
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 11:37 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks?


This sender failed our fraud detection checks and may not be who they appear to 
be. Learn about spoofing<http://aka.ms/LearnAboutSpoofing>

Feedback<http://aka.ms/SafetyTipsFeedback>

Hi all,

I hope I’m not late in replying to this e-mail thread.  We had a number of Assa 
Abloy wifi locks in one of our residence halls.  The wireless coverage in that 
building was not up to snuff to cover those locks, unfortunately.  As we could 
not upgrade wireless in that location and more and more issues popped up with 
those locks, we eventually pulled them out in favor of wired locks that were 
replaced by the vendor.

This doesn’t totally address the question here, but our locks would have been 
perfectly fine and required nearly no attention had WAPs been deplo

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks?

[Forrester, Matthew]

Fascinating!  I appreciate this information.  I did find that “blog” by Terry 
Zink once I started googling the error.  I’m glad to understand this function.  
Again, I apologize for the off-topic conversation.

Hope you all enjoy the weekend,

Matt Forrester (07C)
Senior Systems Engineer
Berry College
O: 706-802-6725

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Jeffrey D. Sessler
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 1:15 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks?

This is likely a DMARC failure based on that sender’s record for their domain. 
They’ve basically told other receiving systems to reject messages that fail 
DKIM/SPF. In the case of listservers like this one, which may spoof the 
sender’s address, it will result in rejections or warnings on receiving systems 
that honor DMARC.

This is partially solvable if the LSOFT listserve platform is up-to-date and 
has enabled DMARC handling. In the case of senders who have a DMARC record with 
reject or quarantine, listserv will not spoof the sender.

There is more on the O365 anti-spoofing here.
https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/tzink/2016/11/02/troubleshooting-the-red-suspicious-safety-tip-for-fraud-detection-checks/

LSOFT (makers of Listserv) really hate DMARC, DKIM, and so on because they 
break a fundamental feature (user spoofing) that the software tends to default 
to.

Jeff

From: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu<mailto:wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu>" 
<WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
on behalf of "Forrester, Matthew" 
<mforres...@berry.edu<mailto:mforres...@berry.edu>>
Reply-To: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu<mailto:wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu>" 
<WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>>
Date: Friday, November 10, 2017 at 8:49 AM
To: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu<mailto:wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu>" 
<WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks?

Hi all,

Off-topic, but I received an odd error when sending this last e-mail to the 
listserv.  Did anyone else receive this notice shown in this screenshot?  It 
appears that this is probably just an issue with some security setting in our 
Office 365 tenant, but I was just curious.  Apologies for the off-topic message.

[cid:image001.png@01D35A19.C316A600]

Thank you,

Matt Forrester (07C)
Senior Systems Engineer
Berry College
O: 706-802-6725

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Forrester, Matthew
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 11:37 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks?


This sender failed our fraud detection checks and may not be who they appear to 
be. Learn about spoofing<http://aka.ms/LearnAboutSpoofing>

Feedback<http://aka.ms/SafetyTipsFeedback>

Hi all,

I hope I’m not late in replying to this e-mail thread.  We had a number of Assa 
Abloy wifi locks in one of our residence halls.  The wireless coverage in that 
building was not up to snuff to cover those locks, unfortunately.  As we could 
not upgrade wireless in that location and more and more issues popped up with 
those locks, we eventually pulled them out in favor of wired locks that were 
replaced by the vendor.

This doesn’t totally address the question here, but our locks would have been 
perfectly fine and required nearly no attention had WAPs been deployed properly 
up front.  Best wishes!

Thank you,

Matt Forrester (07C)
Senior Systems Engineer
Berry College
O: 706-802-6725

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Barros, Jacob
Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2017 10:47 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks?

I am not directly involved, but my understanding is the wireless locks are less 
than ideal.  Two primary issues are that the units we use have a limited 
character string, so we had to create a process to truncate the IDs before 
uploading to the lock.  Also, these have a limited amount of IDs they can hold 
and don't purge records when the database is updated. Inactive IDs are only 
disabled so a manual purge of each individual lock at least once a year.

Jake




Jacob Barros

Associate Director of IT, Network and Operations

Email: jkbar...@grace.edu<mailto:jkbar...@grace.edu>

Phone: 574.372.5100 ext. 6178

[https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/UL13vM331_cldE--6pe0tmF8xi10XejwQWh_iIo3_WnKqa3GNTj7qfC8zMm-AathAnMQoUG1LNv5GzD

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks?

[Jeffrey D. Sessler]

This is likely a DMARC failure based on that sender’s record for their domain. 
They’ve basically told other receiving systems to reject messages that fail 
DKIM/SPF. In the case of listservers like this one, which may spoof the 
sender’s address, it will result in rejections or warnings on receiving systems 
that honor DMARC.

This is partially solvable if the LSOFT listserve platform is up-to-date and 
has enabled DMARC handling. In the case of senders who have a DMARC record with 
reject or quarantine, listserv will not spoof the sender.

There is more on the O365 anti-spoofing here.
https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/tzink/2016/11/02/troubleshooting-the-red-suspicious-safety-tip-for-fraud-detection-checks/

LSOFT (makers of Listserv) really hate DMARC, DKIM, and so on because they 
break a fundamental feature (user spoofing) that the software tends to default 
to.

Jeff

From: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> 
on behalf of "Forrester, Matthew" <mforres...@berry.edu>
Reply-To: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
<WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Date: Friday, November 10, 2017 at 8:49 AM
To: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks?

Hi all,

Off-topic, but I received an odd error when sending this last e-mail to the 
listserv.  Did anyone else receive this notice shown in this screenshot?  It 
appears that this is probably just an issue with some security setting in our 
Office 365 tenant, but I was just curious.  Apologies for the off-topic message.

[cid:image001.png@01D35A19.C316A600]

Thank you,

Matt Forrester (07C)
Senior Systems Engineer
Berry College
O: 706-802-6725

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Forrester, Matthew
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 11:37 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks?


This sender failed our fraud detection checks and may not be who they appear to 
be. Learn about spoofing<http://aka.ms/LearnAboutSpoofing>

Feedback<http://aka.ms/SafetyTipsFeedback>

Hi all,

I hope I’m not late in replying to this e-mail thread.  We had a number of Assa 
Abloy wifi locks in one of our residence halls.  The wireless coverage in that 
building was not up to snuff to cover those locks, unfortunately.  As we could 
not upgrade wireless in that location and more and more issues popped up with 
those locks, we eventually pulled them out in favor of wired locks that were 
replaced by the vendor.

This doesn’t totally address the question here, but our locks would have been 
perfectly fine and required nearly no attention had WAPs been deployed properly 
up front.  Best wishes!

Thank you,

Matt Forrester (07C)
Senior Systems Engineer
Berry College
O: 706-802-6725

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Barros, Jacob
Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2017 10:47 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks?

I am not directly involved, but my understanding is the wireless locks are less 
than ideal.  Two primary issues are that the units we use have a limited 
character string, so we had to create a process to truncate the IDs before 
uploading to the lock.  Also, these have a limited amount of IDs they can hold 
and don't purge records when the database is updated. Inactive IDs are only 
disabled so a manual purge of each individual lock at least once a year.

Jake




Jacob Barros

Associate Director of IT, Network and Operations

Email: jkbar...@grace.edu<mailto:jkbar...@grace.edu>

Phone: 574.372.5100 ext. 6178

[https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/UL13vM331_cldE--6pe0tmF8xi10XejwQWh_iIo3_WnKqa3GNTj7qfC8zMm-AathAnMQoUG1LNv5GzD35OyxQ_x_V2RG30D4r5ucKFdYJkE1-Z-d98UW1NPWapbWxgOAi68e0c7q]


On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 3:16 PM, Greg Briggs 
<brigg...@plu.edu<mailto:brigg...@plu.edu>> wrote:
I said co-channel, but I meant adjacent.

Greg

On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 12:05 PM, Greg Briggs 
<brigg...@plu.edu<mailto:brigg...@plu.edu>> wrote:
We have a couple locks on campus that use 802.15.4.  I think it is a Stanley 
product.  I was told by the engineer who was trying to sell us on the product 
campus wide, that it would cause no interference.  (haha!)  I can confirm 
co-channel interference, but no user reported problems wifi problems that i 
could specifically say were caused by that equipment.  So that statement was 
inaccurate, as I knew it would be, but only in a boastful way.  It also took a 
couple of visits an i want to say a couple of months to get it to work.  (I 
don't remember exactly) I have expressed to our access staff that I do not like 
the deployment, 

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks?

[Forrester, Matthew]

Hi all,

Off-topic, but I received an odd error when sending this last e-mail to the 
listserv.  Did anyone else receive this notice shown in this screenshot?  It 
appears that this is probably just an issue with some security setting in our 
Office 365 tenant, but I was just curious.  Apologies for the off-topic message.

[cid:image001.png@01D35A19.C316A600]

Thank you,

Matt Forrester (07C)
Senior Systems Engineer
Berry College
O: 706-802-6725

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Forrester, Matthew
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 11:37 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks?


This sender failed our fraud detection checks and may not be who they appear to 
be. Learn about spoofing<http://aka.ms/LearnAboutSpoofing>

Feedback<http://aka.ms/SafetyTipsFeedback>

Hi all,

I hope I’m not late in replying to this e-mail thread.  We had a number of Assa 
Abloy wifi locks in one of our residence halls.  The wireless coverage in that 
building was not up to snuff to cover those locks, unfortunately.  As we could 
not upgrade wireless in that location and more and more issues popped up with 
those locks, we eventually pulled them out in favor of wired locks that were 
replaced by the vendor.

This doesn’t totally address the question here, but our locks would have been 
perfectly fine and required nearly no attention had WAPs been deployed properly 
up front.  Best wishes!

Thank you,

Matt Forrester (07C)
Senior Systems Engineer
Berry College
O: 706-802-6725

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Barros, Jacob
Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2017 10:47 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks?

I am not directly involved, but my understanding is the wireless locks are less 
than ideal.  Two primary issues are that the units we use have a limited 
character string, so we had to create a process to truncate the IDs before 
uploading to the lock.  Also, these have a limited amount of IDs they can hold 
and don't purge records when the database is updated. Inactive IDs are only 
disabled so a manual purge of each individual lock at least once a year.

Jake




Jacob Barros

Associate Director of IT, Network and Operations

Email: jkbar...@grace.edu<mailto:jkbar...@grace.edu>

Phone: 574.372.5100 ext. 6178

[https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/UL13vM331_cldE--6pe0tmF8xi10XejwQWh_iIo3_WnKqa3GNTj7qfC8zMm-AathAnMQoUG1LNv5GzD35OyxQ_x_V2RG30D4r5ucKFdYJkE1-Z-d98UW1NPWapbWxgOAi68e0c7q]


On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 3:16 PM, Greg Briggs 
<brigg...@plu.edu<mailto:brigg...@plu.edu>> wrote:
I said co-channel, but I meant adjacent.

Greg

On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 12:05 PM, Greg Briggs 
<brigg...@plu.edu<mailto:brigg...@plu.edu>> wrote:
We have a couple locks on campus that use 802.15.4.  I think it is a Stanley 
product.  I was told by the engineer who was trying to sell us on the product 
campus wide, that it would cause no interference.  (haha!)  I can confirm 
co-channel interference, but no user reported problems wifi problems that i 
could specifically say were caused by that equipment.  So that statement was 
inaccurate, as I knew it would be, but only in a boastful way.  It also took a 
couple of visits an i want to say a couple of months to get it to work.  (I 
don't remember exactly) I have expressed to our access staff that I do not like 
the deployment, and if I was the deciding vote, I would say no to a proposal to 
deploy more like it.

I was initially skeptical of the ASSA ABBLOY locks we have on campus, but they 
have been great.  For a purely network standpoint they are my choice.  Our 
access staff likes them as well.  The only problem I have had is that my older 
wireless plans didn't really plan for coverage of outside doors.  In one or two 
places that has been an issue we have had to overcome, but that wasn't the 
lockset's fault.

TLDR:  I would be uneasy about 802.15.4 locks.  Your access folks should get 
competing quotes for locks that use 802.11g/n over your existing 
infrastructure.  If you do decide on an 802.11g/n based product, check for 
adequate coverage.

Greg Briggs
Network Manger
Pacific Lutheran University

On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 12:24 PM, Matthew Ballard 
<mball...@otis.edu<mailto:mball...@otis.edu>> wrote:
Note that there two different types of locks that don’t require individual 
cabling, usually referred to wireless or wi-fi.

These comments are related to Wi-Fi vs Wireless:
Advantages:

1.  Cheaper installation (due to being able to use the existing Wi-Fi 
network instead of installing access control specific infrastructure).

2.  Lower probability of interference – but note that the locks transmit 
very little data (and the Wi-F

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks?

[Forrester, Matthew]

Hi all,

I hope I’m not late in replying to this e-mail thread.  We had a number of Assa 
Abloy wifi locks in one of our residence halls.  The wireless coverage in that 
building was not up to snuff to cover those locks, unfortunately.  As we could 
not upgrade wireless in that location and more and more issues popped up with 
those locks, we eventually pulled them out in favor of wired locks that were 
replaced by the vendor.

This doesn’t totally address the question here, but our locks would have been 
perfectly fine and required nearly no attention had WAPs been deployed properly 
up front.  Best wishes!

Thank you,

Matt Forrester (07C)
Senior Systems Engineer
Berry College
O: 706-802-6725

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Barros, Jacob
Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2017 10:47 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks?

I am not directly involved, but my understanding is the wireless locks are less 
than ideal.  Two primary issues are that the units we use have a limited 
character string, so we had to create a process to truncate the IDs before 
uploading to the lock.  Also, these have a limited amount of IDs they can hold 
and don't purge records when the database is updated. Inactive IDs are only 
disabled so a manual purge of each individual lock at least once a year.

Jake




Jacob Barros

Associate Director of IT, Network and Operations

Email: jkbar...@grace.edu<mailto:jkbar...@grace.edu>

Phone: 574.372.5100 ext. 6178

[https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/UL13vM331_cldE--6pe0tmF8xi10XejwQWh_iIo3_WnKqa3GNTj7qfC8zMm-AathAnMQoUG1LNv5GzD35OyxQ_x_V2RG30D4r5ucKFdYJkE1-Z-d98UW1NPWapbWxgOAi68e0c7q]



On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 3:16 PM, Greg Briggs 
<brigg...@plu.edu<mailto:brigg...@plu.edu>> wrote:
I said co-channel, but I meant adjacent.

Greg

On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 12:05 PM, Greg Briggs 
<brigg...@plu.edu<mailto:brigg...@plu.edu>> wrote:
We have a couple locks on campus that use 802.15.4.  I think it is a Stanley 
product.  I was told by the engineer who was trying to sell us on the product 
campus wide, that it would cause no interference.  (haha!)  I can confirm 
co-channel interference, but no user reported problems wifi problems that i 
could specifically say were caused by that equipment.  So that statement was 
inaccurate, as I knew it would be, but only in a boastful way.  It also took a 
couple of visits an i want to say a couple of months to get it to work.  (I 
don't remember exactly) I have expressed to our access staff that I do not like 
the deployment, and if I was the deciding vote, I would say no to a proposal to 
deploy more like it.

I was initially skeptical of the ASSA ABBLOY locks we have on campus, but they 
have been great.  For a purely network standpoint they are my choice.  Our 
access staff likes them as well.  The only problem I have had is that my older 
wireless plans didn't really plan for coverage of outside doors.  In one or two 
places that has been an issue we have had to overcome, but that wasn't the 
lockset's fault.

TLDR:  I would be uneasy about 802.15.4 locks.  Your access folks should get 
competing quotes for locks that use 802.11g/n over your existing 
infrastructure.  If you do decide on an 802.11g/n based product, check for 
adequate coverage.

Greg Briggs
Network Manger
Pacific Lutheran University

On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 12:24 PM, Matthew Ballard 
<mball...@otis.edu<mailto:mball...@otis.edu>> wrote:
Note that there two different types of locks that don’t require individual 
cabling, usually referred to wireless or wi-fi.

These comments are related to Wi-Fi vs Wireless:
Advantages:

1.  Cheaper installation (due to being able to use the existing Wi-Fi 
network instead of installing access control specific infrastructure).

2.  Lower probability of interference – but note that the locks transmit 
very little data (and the Wi-Fi ones generally only come on periodically, often 
only once a day).
Disadvantages:

1.  The locks are offline most of the time (they come online on a periodic 
basis).  That means that updates are slower (as the locks only update 
periodically), so you can’t do lock-downs with them, lost card updates don’t 
take effect right away, etc.

2.  It’s harder to diagnose certain types of lock problems (since it’s 
offline most of the time, you don’t see updates right away, and checking 
whether the lock is online or offline doesn’t matter since it’s offline most of 
the time).

3.  Battery life is often worse (especially if you turn up the update 
frequency to deal with the other problems).

Wi-Fi locks can be great for locks that don’t need updates very often and where 
you don’t need lockdown functionality.

I would personally recommend going with wireless over wi-fi whenever possible, 
but there are times Wi-Fi is absolutely more practical.

I

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks?

[Barros, Jacob]

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>>> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:
>>> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] *On Behalf Of *Chuck Enfield
>>> *Sent:* Monday, November 6, 2017 6:47 AM
>>>
>>> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
>>> *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Greg,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Locks tend to have a very low network duty-cycle, so interference
>>> between the 802.15.4 network and 2.4GHz Wi-Fi will be minimal.  That said,
>>> it may be worth considering Wi-Fi locks instead.  That will ensure that
>>> they play well with other Wi-Fi devices and will spare the institution the
>>> cost of installing and managing a separate network for locks.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On the down side of using Wi-Fi locks, the refresh cycle for Wi-Fi is
>>> shorter than for locks.  If you have a bunch of locks reliant on outdated
>>> features it could hamper Wi-Fi performance down the road.  The refresh
>>> cycle would have to be discussed with your facilities management, and/or
>>> security people.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> To the group, can you think of any other advantages/disadvantages of
>>> putting the locks on Wi-Fi?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [
>>> mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
>>> <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>] *On Behalf Of *Lee H Badman
>>> *Sent:* Monday, November 6, 2017 9:09 AM
>>> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
>>> *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It’s not what you’re asking, but we are using ASSA-ABLOY .11n locks.
>>> Fairly easy to support.
>>>
>>> Lee Badman (mobile)
>>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 6, 2017, at 8:32 AM, Gregory Fuller <gregory.ful...@oswego.edu>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Haven't seen any recent discussion here about wireless door locks.  Our
>>> physical access team is looking to install some wireless door locks in an
>>> administrative building.  I can see it growing past this building pretty
>>> rapidly and want to make sure they aren't putting in something that is
>>> going to cause us headaches.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> They are looking to install Aperio "HUB's" as they call them:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://vo-general.s3.amazonaws.com/53aee5c6-9690-4c74-a82a-
>>> 09f1d0f1ec68/d0vBYdO5QWWKURZqvp0w_AA%20Aperio%20Family%20Bro
>>> chure.pdf?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJ3YBR5GY2XF7YLGQ=158266
>>> 2909=inline%3B%20filename%3DAA%
>>> 20Aperio%20Family%20Brochure.pdf=
>>> application%2Fpdf=920fJFxmRxXi9vkJ7zrIVHZao9o%3D
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This appears to be using some variant of 802.15.4, which has the ability
>>> to run between our 802.11g/n 2.4Ghz channels, but will cause co-channel
>>> interference.  I'm a bit concerned that there will be some impact to our
>>> 2.4Ghz clients (we have a ton of them out there still).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Anyone else out there have these or something similar and can speak for
>>> how they work and if there are any issues in your environment?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --greg
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Gregory A. Fuller - CCNP R, CCNP Security, CCNA Wireless
>>>
>>> Network Manager
>>>
>>> State University of New York at Oswego
>>>
>>> Phone: (315) 312-5750
>>>
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks?

[Greg Briggs]

I said co-channel, but I meant adjacent.

Greg

On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 12:05 PM, Greg Briggs <brigg...@plu.edu> wrote:

> We have a couple locks on campus that use 802.15.4.  I think it is a
> Stanley product.  I was told by the engineer who was trying to sell us on
> the product campus wide, that it would cause no interference.  (haha!)  I
> can confirm co-channel interference, but no user reported problems wifi
> problems that i could specifically say were caused by that equipment.  So
> that statement was inaccurate, as I knew it would be, but only in a
> boastful way.  It also took a couple of visits an i want to say a couple of
> months to get it to work.  (I don't remember exactly) I have expressed to
> our access staff that I do not like the deployment, and if I was the
> deciding vote, I would say no to a proposal to deploy more like it.
>
> I was initially skeptical of the ASSA ABBLOY locks we have on campus, but
> they have been great.  For a purely network standpoint they are my choice.
> Our access staff likes them as well.  The only problem I have had is that
> my older wireless plans didn't really plan for coverage of outside doors.
> In one or two places that has been an issue we have had to overcome, but
> that wasn't the lockset's fault.
>
> *TLDR:*  I would be uneasy about 802.15.4 locks.  Your access folks
> should get competing quotes for locks that use 802.11g/n over your existing
> infrastructure.  If you do decide on an 802.11g/n based product, check for
> adequate coverage.
>
> Greg Briggs
> Network Manger
> Pacific Lutheran University
>
> On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 12:24 PM, Matthew Ballard <mball...@otis.edu>
> wrote:
>
>> Note that there two different types of locks that don’t require
>> individual cabling, usually referred to wireless or wi-fi.
>>
>>
>>
>> These comments are related to Wi-Fi vs Wireless:
>>
>> Advantages:
>>
>> 1.  Cheaper installation (due to being able to use the existing
>> Wi-Fi network instead of installing access control specific infrastructure).
>>
>> 2.  Lower probability of interference – but note that the locks
>> transmit very little data (and the Wi-Fi ones generally only come on
>> periodically, often only once a day).
>>
>> Disadvantages:
>>
>> 1.  The locks are offline most of the time (they come online on a
>> periodic basis).  That means that updates are slower (as the locks only
>> update periodically), so you can’t do lock-downs with them, lost card
>> updates don’t take effect right away, etc.
>>
>> 2.  It’s harder to diagnose certain types of lock problems (since
>> it’s offline most of the time, you don’t see updates right away, and
>> checking whether the lock is online or offline doesn’t matter since it’s
>> offline most of the time).
>>
>> 3.  Battery life is often worse (especially if you turn up the
>> update frequency to deal with the other problems).
>>
>>
>>
>> Wi-Fi locks can be great for locks that don’t need updates very often and
>> where you don’t need lockdown functionality.
>>
>>
>>
>> I would personally recommend going with wireless over wi-fi whenever
>> possible, but there are times Wi-Fi is absolutely more practical.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you have specific questions on the above feel free to ask (I manage
>> the electronic access control locks at Otis College as well as the Wi-Fi
>> network).
>>
>>
>>
>> Matthew Ballard
>>
>> Director of Technology Infrasture
>>
>> Otis College of Art and Design
>>
>> mball...@otis.edu
>>
>>
>>
>> *CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE*: This electronic message transmission contains
>> information from Otis College of Art and Design, which may be confidential.
>> If you are not the intedned recipient, be aware that any disclosure,
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>> us immediately by e-mail an delete the original message any any attachment
>> without reading or saving in any manner.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:
>> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] *On Behalf Of *Chuck Enfield
>> *Sent:* Monday, November 6, 2017 6:47 AM
>>
>> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
>> *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks?
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Greg,
>>
>>
>>
>> Locks tend to have a very low network 

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks?

[Greg Briggs]

We have a couple locks on campus that use 802.15.4.  I think it is a
Stanley product.  I was told by the engineer who was trying to sell us on
the product campus wide, that it would cause no interference.  (haha!)  I
can confirm co-channel interference, but no user reported problems wifi
problems that i could specifically say were caused by that equipment.  So
that statement was inaccurate, as I knew it would be, but only in a
boastful way.  It also took a couple of visits an i want to say a couple of
months to get it to work.  (I don't remember exactly) I have expressed to
our access staff that I do not like the deployment, and if I was the
deciding vote, I would say no to a proposal to deploy more like it.

I was initially skeptical of the ASSA ABBLOY locks we have on campus, but
they have been great.  For a purely network standpoint they are my choice.
Our access staff likes them as well.  The only problem I have had is that
my older wireless plans didn't really plan for coverage of outside doors.
In one or two places that has been an issue we have had to overcome, but
that wasn't the lockset's fault.

*TLDR:*  I would be uneasy about 802.15.4 locks.  Your access folks should
get competing quotes for locks that use 802.11g/n over your existing
infrastructure.  If you do decide on an 802.11g/n based product, check for
adequate coverage.

Greg Briggs
Network Manger
Pacific Lutheran University

On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 12:24 PM, Matthew Ballard <mball...@otis.edu> wrote:

> Note that there two different types of locks that don’t require individual
> cabling, usually referred to wireless or wi-fi.
>
>
>
> These comments are related to Wi-Fi vs Wireless:
>
> Advantages:
>
> 1.  Cheaper installation (due to being able to use the existing Wi-Fi
> network instead of installing access control specific infrastructure).
>
> 2.  Lower probability of interference – but note that the locks
> transmit very little data (and the Wi-Fi ones generally only come on
> periodically, often only once a day).
>
> Disadvantages:
>
> 1.  The locks are offline most of the time (they come online on a
> periodic basis).  That means that updates are slower (as the locks only
> update periodically), so you can’t do lock-downs with them, lost card
> updates don’t take effect right away, etc.
>
> 2.  It’s harder to diagnose certain types of lock problems (since
> it’s offline most of the time, you don’t see updates right away, and
> checking whether the lock is online or offline doesn’t matter since it’s
> offline most of the time).
>
> 3.  Battery life is often worse (especially if you turn up the update
> frequency to deal with the other problems).
>
>
>
> Wi-Fi locks can be great for locks that don’t need updates very often and
> where you don’t need lockdown functionality.
>
>
>
> I would personally recommend going with wireless over wi-fi whenever
> possible, but there are times Wi-Fi is absolutely more practical.
>
>
>
> If you have specific questions on the above feel free to ask (I manage the
> electronic access control locks at Otis College as well as the Wi-Fi
> network).
>
>
>
> Matthew Ballard
>
> Director of Technology Infrasture
>
> Otis College of Art and Design
>
> mball...@otis.edu
>
>
>
> *CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE*: This electronic message transmission contains
> information from Otis College of Art and Design, which may be confidential.
> If you are not the intedned recipient, be aware that any disclosure,
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>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] *On Behalf Of *Chuck Enfield
> *Sent:* Monday, November 6, 2017 6:47 AM
>
> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks?
>
>
>
> Hi Greg,
>
>
>
> Locks tend to have a very low network duty-cycle, so interference between
> the 802.15.4 network and 2.4GHz Wi-Fi will be minimal.  That said, it may
> be worth considering Wi-Fi locks instead.  That will ensure that they play
> well with other Wi-Fi devices and will spare the institution the cost of
> installing and managing a separate network for locks.
>
>
>
> On the down side of using Wi-Fi locks, the refresh cycle for Wi-Fi is
> shorter than for locks.  If you have a bunch of locks reliant on outdated
> features it could hamper Wi-Fi performance down the road.  The refresh
> cycle would have to be discussed with your fac

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks?

[Matthew Ballard]

Note that there two different types of locks that don’t require individual 
cabling, usually referred to wireless or wi-fi.

These comments are related to Wi-Fi vs Wireless:
Advantages:

1.  Cheaper installation (due to being able to use the existing Wi-Fi 
network instead of installing access control specific infrastructure).

2.  Lower probability of interference – but note that the locks transmit 
very little data (and the Wi-Fi ones generally only come on periodically, often 
only once a day).
Disadvantages:

1.  The locks are offline most of the time (they come online on a periodic 
basis).  That means that updates are slower (as the locks only update 
periodically), so you can’t do lock-downs with them, lost card updates don’t 
take effect right away, etc.

2.  It’s harder to diagnose certain types of lock problems (since it’s 
offline most of the time, you don’t see updates right away, and checking 
whether the lock is online or offline doesn’t matter since it’s offline most of 
the time).

3.  Battery life is often worse (especially if you turn up the update 
frequency to deal with the other problems).

Wi-Fi locks can be great for locks that don’t need updates very often and where 
you don’t need lockdown functionality.

I would personally recommend going with wireless over wi-fi whenever possible, 
but there are times Wi-Fi is absolutely more practical.

If you have specific questions on the above feel free to ask (I manage the 
electronic access control locks at Otis College as well as the Wi-Fi network).

Matthew Ballard
Director of Technology Infrasture
Otis College of Art and Design
mball...@otis.edu<mailto:mball...@otis.edu>

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From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Chuck Enfield
Sent: Monday, November 6, 2017 6:47 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks?

Hi Greg,

Locks tend to have a very low network duty-cycle, so interference between the 
802.15.4 network and 2.4GHz Wi-Fi will be minimal.  That said, it may be worth 
considering Wi-Fi locks instead.  That will ensure that they play well with 
other Wi-Fi devices and will spare the institution the cost of installing and 
managing a separate network for locks.

On the down side of using Wi-Fi locks, the refresh cycle for Wi-Fi is shorter 
than for locks.  If you have a bunch of locks reliant on outdated features it 
could hamper Wi-Fi performance down the road.  The refresh cycle would have to 
be discussed with your facilities management, and/or security people.

To the group, can you think of any other advantages/disadvantages of putting 
the locks on Wi-Fi?

Chuck

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Lee H Badman
Sent: Monday, November 6, 2017 9:09 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks?

It’s not what you’re asking, but we are using ASSA-ABLOY .11n locks. Fairly 
easy to support.
Lee Badman (mobile)

On Nov 6, 2017, at 8:32 AM, Gregory Fuller 
<gregory.ful...@oswego.edu<mailto:gregory.ful...@oswego.edu>> wrote:
Haven't seen any recent discussion here about wireless door locks.  Our 
physical access team is looking to install some wireless door locks in an 
administrative building.  I can see it growing past this building pretty 
rapidly and want to make sure they aren't putting in something that is going to 
cause us headaches.

They are looking to install Aperio "HUB's" as they call them:

https://vo-general.s3.amazonaws.com/53aee5c6-9690-4c74-a82a-09f1d0f1ec68/d0vBYdO5QWWKURZqvp0w_AA%20Aperio%20Family%20Brochure.pdf?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJ3YBR5GY2XF7YLGQ=1582662909=inline%3B%20filename%3DAA%20Aperio%20Family%20Brochure.pdf=application%2Fpdf=920fJFxmRxXi9vkJ7zrIVHZao9o%3D


This appears to be using some variant of 802.15.4, which has the ability to run 
between our 802.11g/n 2.4Ghz channels, but will cause co-channel interference.  
I'm a bit concerned that there will be some impact to our 2.4Ghz clients (we 
have a ton of them out there still).

Anyone else out there have these or something similar and can speak for how 
they work and if there are any issues in your environment?

--greg


Gregory A. Fuller - CCNP R, CCNP Security, CCNA Wireless
Network Manager
State University of New York at

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks?

['Dan Loop']

We also are using wifi door locks by Assa Abloy, on some of our classrooms,
with a S2 controller and we also had a lot of issues with the initial roll
out. The lock we are using is V.S1. They are early versions of what is now
available and we had  the same issues. Only 2.4 Ghz, only used WPA2, ran
though batteries like crazy, and we found that we could not send a lockdown
command to them. If you are planning to send lockdown commands make sure
that they will accept them before installing. We have since then started
using their POE door locks in order to be able to use the lockdown feature
of the controller.

On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 11:13 AM, Watters, John <john.watt...@ua.edu> wrote:

> We also have the ASSA ABLOY locks. The initial group of locks used wired
> connectivity, but a retrofit called for wireless. The initial testing of
> the wireless unit went fine (with a lot of phone calls to the support
> folks, including the guy who wrote the code; and only did 2.4 GHz). But, it
> all worked so the facilities folks ordered several hundred for this dorm.
> They got installed and wouldn’t work. It seems that the test unit had a
> preproduction version of code that supported WPA2 while the ones that were
> shipped only supported PSK. Oops. We bitched about having to build out a
> new SSID for them, but did it anyway with the promise that WPA2 support
> would be here soon. And, sure enough, it did appear 18 months later (not my
> ideal value for “soon”). The locks were upgraded and did support WPA2
> Enterprise (again after a number of calls to their support folks, mostly
> for the proper configuration of the locks). Since then we have dropped the
> special SSID and use RADIUS to drop them into the proper VLAN. We did find
> one other problem along the way – the locks need a strong signal. The fact
> that the wireless radio is inside of the door did not help with our
> hall-deployed APs. And, the model we have only supports 2.5 GHz. The
> facilities folks are now happy and we are no longer having to do anything
> special for them. However, they did say that they want to avoid the use of
> the wireless version of these locks wherever possible; no batteries or
> signal strength to worry about.
>
>
>
> *John Watters*
>
> Network Engineer, OIT, The University of Alabama
>
>
>
> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] *On Behalf Of *Hector J Rios
> *Sent:* Monday, November 6, 2017 11:32 AM
> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks?
>
>
>
> Like Joseph and Lee, LSU ResLife has been using the ASSA ABLOY door locks
> for quite a while. They support 802.1X and we’ve had no complaints.
>
>
>
> Hector Rios
>
> Louisiana State University
>
>
>
> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [
> mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>] *On Behalf Of *Joseph Bernard
> *Sent:* Monday, November 06, 2017 7:52 AM
> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks?
>
>
>
> We have a lot of ASSA ABLOY IN120 locks around that seem to work fine.  I
> will admit to being against the use of them as battery powered wifi devices
> to save not having to run data/power, but we've had no complaints.  I will
> still get on a soap box if you want to use wifi for video on a permanently
> installed TV though instead paying for a cable run.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Joseph B.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Nov 6, 2017, at 8:32 AM, Gregory Fuller <gregory.ful...@oswego.edu>
> wrote:
>
> Haven't seen any recent discussion here about wireless door locks.  Our
> physical access team is looking to install some wireless door locks in an
> administrative building.  I can see it growing past this building pretty
> rapidly and want to make sure they aren't putting in something that is
> going to cause us headaches.
>
>
>
> They are looking to install Aperio "HUB's" as they call them:
>
>
>
> https://vo-general.s3.amazonaws.com/53aee5c6-9690-4c74-a82a-09f1d0f1ec68/
> d0vBYdO5QWWKURZqvp0w_AA%20Aperio%20Family%20Brochure.pdf?AWSAccessKeyId=
> AKIAJ3YBR5GY2XF7YLGQ=1582662909
> disposition=inline%3B%20filename%3DAA%20Aperio%20Family%20Brochure.pdf&
> response-content-type=application%2Fpdf=
> 920fJFxmRxXi9vkJ7zrIVHZao9o%3D
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__vo-2Dgeneral.s3.amazonaws.com_53aee5c6-2D9690-2D4c74-2Da82a-2D09f1d0f1ec68_d0vBYdO5QWWKURZqvp0w-5FAA-2520Aperio-2520Family-2520Brochure.pdf-3FAWSAccessKeyId-3DAKIAJ3YBR5GY2XF7YLGQ-26Expires-3D1582662909-26response-2Dcontent-2Ddisposition-3Dinline-25

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks?

[Watters, John]

We also have the ASSA ABLOY locks. The initial group of locks used wired 
connectivity, but a retrofit called for wireless. The initial testing of the 
wireless unit went fine (with a lot of phone calls to the support folks, 
including the guy who wrote the code; and only did 2.4 GHz). But, it all worked 
so the facilities folks ordered several hundred for this dorm. They got 
installed and wouldn’t work. It seems that the test unit had a preproduction 
version of code that supported WPA2 while the ones that were shipped only 
supported PSK. Oops. We bitched about having to build out a new SSID for them, 
but did it anyway with the promise that WPA2 support would be here soon. And, 
sure enough, it did appear 18 months later (not my ideal value for “soon”). The 
locks were upgraded and did support WPA2 Enterprise (again after a number of 
calls to their support folks, mostly for the proper configuration of the 
locks). Since then we have dropped the special SSID and use RADIUS to drop them 
into the proper VLAN. We did find one other problem along the way – the locks 
need a strong signal. The fact that the wireless radio is inside of the door 
did not help with our hall-deployed APs. And, the model we have only supports 
2.5 GHz. The facilities folks are now happy and we are no longer having to do 
anything special for them. However, they did say that they want to avoid the 
use of the wireless version of these locks wherever possible; no batteries or 
signal strength to worry about.

John Watters
Network Engineer, OIT, The University of Alabama

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Hector J Rios
Sent: Monday, November 6, 2017 11:32 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks?

Like Joseph and Lee, LSU ResLife has been using the ASSA ABLOY door locks for 
quite a while. They support 802.1X and we’ve had no complaints.

Hector Rios
Louisiana State University

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Joseph Bernard
Sent: Monday, November 06, 2017 7:52 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks?

We have a lot of ASSA ABLOY IN120 locks around that seem to work fine.  I will 
admit to being against the use of them as battery powered wifi devices to save 
not having to run data/power, but we've had no complaints.  I will still get on 
a soap box if you want to use wifi for video on a permanently installed TV 
though instead paying for a cable run.

Thanks,
Joseph B.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 6, 2017, at 8:32 AM, Gregory Fuller 
<gregory.ful...@oswego.edu<mailto:gregory.ful...@oswego.edu>> wrote:
Haven't seen any recent discussion here about wireless door locks.  Our 
physical access team is looking to install some wireless door locks in an 
administrative building.  I can see it growing past this building pretty 
rapidly and want to make sure they aren't putting in something that is going to 
cause us headaches.

They are looking to install Aperio "HUB's" as they call them:

https://vo-general.s3.amazonaws.com/53aee5c6-9690-4c74-a82a-09f1d0f1ec68/d0vBYdO5QWWKURZqvp0w_AA%20Aperio%20Family%20Brochure.pdf?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJ3YBR5GY2XF7YLGQ=1582662909=inline%3B%20filename%3DAA%20Aperio%20Family%20Brochure.pdf=application%2Fpdf=920fJFxmRxXi9vkJ7zrIVHZao9o%3D<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__vo-2Dgeneral.s3.amazonaws.com_53aee5c6-2D9690-2D4c74-2Da82a-2D09f1d0f1ec68_d0vBYdO5QWWKURZqvp0w-5FAA-2520Aperio-2520Family-2520Brochure.pdf-3FAWSAccessKeyId-3DAKIAJ3YBR5GY2XF7YLGQ-26Expires-3D1582662909-26response-2Dcontent-2Ddisposition-3Dinline-253B-2520filename-253DAA-2520Aperio-2520Family-2520Brochure.pdf-26response-2Dcontent-2Dtype-3Dapplication-252Fpdf-26Signature-3D920fJFxmRxXi9vkJ7zrIVHZao9o-253D=DwMFaQ=Ngd-ta5yRYsqeUsEDgxhcqsYYY1Xs5ogLxWPA_2Wlc4=4Pt1z80PQIvvfw2j1-oSIA=1mLuIb4xSu-qbT9HBp9wm1kt-1Xu2d2eCaNJu1K4PiE=NGtMOXMVcRTfc-744yD0uTUwaeMUJgW6e5hCoLFnKiU=>


This appears to be using some variant of 802.15.4, which has the ability to run 
between our 802.11g/n 2.4Ghz channels, but will cause co-channel interference.  
I'm a bit concerned that there will be some impact to our 2.4Ghz clients (we 
have a ton of them out there still).

Anyone else out there have these or something similar and can speak for how 
they work and if there are any issues in your environment?

--greg


Gregory A. Fuller - CCNP R, CCNP Security, CCNA Wireless
Network Manager
State University of New York at Oswego
Phone: (315) 312-5750
http://www.oswego.edu/~gfuller<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.oswego.edu_-7Egfuller=DwMFaQ=Ngd-ta5yRYsqeUsEDgxhcqsYYY1Xs5ogLxWPA_2Wlc4=4Pt1z80PQIvvfw2j1-oSIA=1mLuIb4xSu-qbT9HBp9wm1kt-1Xu2d2eCaNJu1K4PiE=31Kn4w

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks?

[Fishel Erps]

We have a residence hall using WiFi locks.  Some things to consider are:

1) Limited ability to manually send signals to the locks due to sleep/wake
functionality.

2) Spectrum congestion.  Some locks only work on 2.4GHz which is an issue
in congested areas.  Locks compatible with 5GHz would be better.



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School of Visual Arts
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On Nov 6, 2017, at 09:47, Chuck Enfield <chu...@psu.edu> wrote:

Hi Greg,



Locks tend to have a very low network duty-cycle, so interference between
the 802.15.4 network and 2.4GHz Wi-Fi will be minimal.  That said, it may
be worth considering Wi-Fi locks instead.  That will ensure that they play
well with other Wi-Fi devices and will spare the institution the cost of
installing and managing a separate network for locks.



On the down side of using Wi-Fi locks, the refresh cycle for Wi-Fi is
shorter than for locks.  If you have a bunch of locks reliant on outdated
features it could hamper Wi-Fi performance down the road.  The refresh
cycle would have to be discussed with your facilities management, and/or
security people.



To the group, can you think of any other advantages/disadvantages of
putting the locks on Wi-Fi?



Chuck



*From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
<WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>] *On Behalf Of *Lee H Badman
*Sent:* Monday, November 6, 2017 9:09 AM
*To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
*Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks?



It’s not what you’re asking, but we are using ASSA-ABLOY .11n locks. Fairly
easy to support.

Lee Badman (mobile)


On Nov 6, 2017, at 8:32 AM, Gregory Fuller <gregory.ful...@oswego.edu>
wrote:

Haven't seen any recent discussion here about wireless door locks.  Our
physical access team is looking to install some wireless door locks in an
administrative building.  I can see it growing past this building pretty
rapidly and want to make sure they aren't putting in something that is
going to cause us headaches.



They are looking to install Aperio "HUB's" as they call them:



https://vo-general.s3.amazonaws.com/53aee5c6-9690-4c74-a82a-09f1d0f1ec68/d0vBYdO5QWWKURZqvp0w_AA%20Aperio%20Family%20Brochure.pdf?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJ3YBR5GY2XF7YLGQ=1582662909=inline%3B%20filename%3DAA%20Aperio%20Family%20Brochure.pdf=application%2Fpdf=920fJFxmRxXi9vkJ7zrIVHZao9o%3D





This appears to be using some variant of 802.15.4, which has the ability to
run between our 802.11g/n 2.4Ghz channels, but will cause co-channel
interference.  I'm a bit concerned that there will be some impact to our
2.4Ghz clients (we have a ton of them out there still).



Anyone else out there have these or something similar and can speak for how
they work and if there are any issues in your environment?



--greg





Gregory A. Fuller - CCNP R, CCNP Security, CCNA Wireless

Network Manager

State University of New York at Oswego

Phone: (315) 312-5750

http://www.oswego.edu/~gfuller

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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks?

[Norton, Thomas (Network Operations)]

Our residence dorms have been utilizing the Assa Abloy IN120 as well for about 
3 years now as well. We have had a pretty good experience with them so far.

T.J. Norton
Wireless Network Architect
Network Operations

(434) 592-6552

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From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
<WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> on behalf of Hector J Rios <hr...@lsu.edu>
Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
<WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Date: Monday, November 6, 2017 at 12:32 PM
To: "WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks?

Like Joseph and Lee, LSU ResLife has been using the ASSA ABLOY door locks for 
quite a while. They support 802.1X and we’ve had no complaints.

Hector Rios
Louisiana State University

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Joseph Bernard
Sent: Monday, November 06, 2017 7:52 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks?

We have a lot of ASSA ABLOY IN120 locks around that seem to work fine.  I will 
admit to being against the use of them as battery powered wifi devices to save 
not having to run data/power, but we've had no complaints.  I will still get on 
a soap box if you want to use wifi for video on a permanently installed TV 
though instead paying for a cable run.

Thanks,
Joseph B.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 6, 2017, at 8:32 AM, Gregory Fuller 
<gregory.ful...@oswego.edu<mailto:gregory.ful...@oswego.edu>> wrote:
Haven't seen any recent discussion here about wireless door locks.  Our 
physical access team is looking to install some wireless door locks in an 
administrative building.  I can see it growing past this building pretty 
rapidly and want to make sure they aren't putting in something that is going to 
cause us headaches.

They are looking to install Aperio "HUB's" as they call them:

https://vo-general.s3.amazonaws.com/53aee5c6-9690-4c74-a82a-09f1d0f1ec68/d0vBYdO5QWWKURZqvp0w_AA%20Aperio%20Family%20Brochure.pdf?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJ3YBR5GY2XF7YLGQ=1582662909=inline%3B%20filename%3DAA%20Aperio%20Family%20Brochure.pdf=application%2Fpdf=920fJFxmRxXi9vkJ7zrIVHZao9o%3D<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.proofpoint.com%2Fv2%2Furl%3Fu%3Dhttps-3A__vo-2Dgeneral.s3.amazonaws.com_53aee5c6-2D9690-2D4c74-2Da82a-2D09f1d0f1ec68_d0vBYdO5QWWKURZqvp0w-5FAA-2520Aperio-2520Family-2520Brochure.pdf-3FAWSAccessKeyId-3DAKIAJ3YBR5GY2XF7YLGQ-26Expires-3D1582662909-26response-2Dcontent-2Ddisposition-3Dinline-253B-2520filename-253DAA-2520Aperio-2520Family-2520Brochure.pdf-26response-2Dcontent-2Dtype-3Dapplication-252Fpdf-26Signature-3D920fJFxmRxXi9vkJ7zrIVHZao9o-253D%26d%3DDwMFaQ%26c%3DNgd-ta5yRYsqeUsEDgxhcqsYYY1Xs5ogLxWPA_2Wlc4%26r%3D4Pt1z80PQIvvfw2j1-oSIA%26m%3D1mLuIb4xSu-qbT9HBp9wm1kt-1Xu2d2eCaNJu1K4PiE%26s%3DNGtMOXMVcRTfc-744yD0uTUwaeMUJgW6e5hCoLFnKiU%26e%3D=02%7C01%7Ctnorton7%40liberty.edu%7Cdcc5a19af8d44f71f2d408d5253c65a5%7Cbaf8218eb3024465a9934a39c97251b2%7C0%7C0%7C636455863693444767=jPrzOwOnCt9PPsZUBZEmqX8%2BXGLyWOdfSNkeIjJW8oE%3D=0>


This appears to be using some variant of 802.15.4, which has the ability to run 
between our 802.11g/n 2.4Ghz channels, but will cause co-channel interference.  
I'm a bit concerned that there will be some impact to our 2.4Ghz clients (we 
have a ton of them out there still).

Anyone else out there have these or something similar and can speak for how 
they work and if there are any issues in your environment?

--greg


Gregory A. Fuller - CCNP R, CCNP Security, CCNA Wireless
Network Manager
State University of New York at Oswego
Phone: (315) 312-5750
http://www.oswego.edu/~gfuller<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.proofpoint.com%2Fv2%2Furl%3Fu%3Dhttp-3A__www.oswego.edu_-7Egfuller%26d%3DDwMFaQ%26c%3DNgd-ta5yRYsqeUsEDgxhcqsYYY1Xs5ogLxWPA_2Wlc4%26r%3D4Pt1z80PQIvvfw2j1-oSIA%26m%3D1mLuIb4xSu-qbT9HBp9wm1kt-1Xu2d2eCaNJu1K4PiE%26s%3D31Kn4wjloTdDdvzp3l60uHiI90ojSoDCs45dDiwcNJ4%26e%3D=02%7C01%7Ctnorton7%40liberty.edu%7Cdcc5a19af8d44f71f2d408d5253c65a5%7Cbaf8218eb3024465a9934a39c97251b2%7C0%7C0%7C636455863693444767=yK6yeUCcEtNJKv%2BPgyuCAaMitZcmPeMoa8zfJ5mXJNw%3D=0>
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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks?

[Hector J Rios]

Like Joseph and Lee, LSU ResLife has been using the ASSA ABLOY door locks for 
quite a while. They support 802.1X and we’ve had no complaints.

Hector Rios
Louisiana State University

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Joseph Bernard
Sent: Monday, November 06, 2017 7:52 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks?

We have a lot of ASSA ABLOY IN120 locks around that seem to work fine.  I will 
admit to being against the use of them as battery powered wifi devices to save 
not having to run data/power, but we've had no complaints.  I will still get on 
a soap box if you want to use wifi for video on a permanently installed TV 
though instead paying for a cable run.

Thanks,
Joseph B.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 6, 2017, at 8:32 AM, Gregory Fuller 
<gregory.ful...@oswego.edu<mailto:gregory.ful...@oswego.edu>> wrote:
Haven't seen any recent discussion here about wireless door locks.  Our 
physical access team is looking to install some wireless door locks in an 
administrative building.  I can see it growing past this building pretty 
rapidly and want to make sure they aren't putting in something that is going to 
cause us headaches.

They are looking to install Aperio "HUB's" as they call them:

https://vo-general.s3.amazonaws.com/53aee5c6-9690-4c74-a82a-09f1d0f1ec68/d0vBYdO5QWWKURZqvp0w_AA%20Aperio%20Family%20Brochure.pdf?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJ3YBR5GY2XF7YLGQ=1582662909=inline%3B%20filename%3DAA%20Aperio%20Family%20Brochure.pdf=application%2Fpdf=920fJFxmRxXi9vkJ7zrIVHZao9o%3D<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__vo-2Dgeneral.s3.amazonaws.com_53aee5c6-2D9690-2D4c74-2Da82a-2D09f1d0f1ec68_d0vBYdO5QWWKURZqvp0w-5FAA-2520Aperio-2520Family-2520Brochure.pdf-3FAWSAccessKeyId-3DAKIAJ3YBR5GY2XF7YLGQ-26Expires-3D1582662909-26response-2Dcontent-2Ddisposition-3Dinline-253B-2520filename-253DAA-2520Aperio-2520Family-2520Brochure.pdf-26response-2Dcontent-2Dtype-3Dapplication-252Fpdf-26Signature-3D920fJFxmRxXi9vkJ7zrIVHZao9o-253D=DwMFaQ=Ngd-ta5yRYsqeUsEDgxhcqsYYY1Xs5ogLxWPA_2Wlc4=4Pt1z80PQIvvfw2j1-oSIA=1mLuIb4xSu-qbT9HBp9wm1kt-1Xu2d2eCaNJu1K4PiE=NGtMOXMVcRTfc-744yD0uTUwaeMUJgW6e5hCoLFnKiU=>


This appears to be using some variant of 802.15.4, which has the ability to run 
between our 802.11g/n 2.4Ghz channels, but will cause co-channel interference.  
I'm a bit concerned that there will be some impact to our 2.4Ghz clients (we 
have a ton of them out there still).

Anyone else out there have these or something similar and can speak for how 
they work and if there are any issues in your environment?

--greg


Gregory A. Fuller - CCNP R, CCNP Security, CCNA Wireless
Network Manager
State University of New York at Oswego
Phone: (315) 312-5750
http://www.oswego.edu/~gfuller<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.oswego.edu_-7Egfuller=DwMFaQ=Ngd-ta5yRYsqeUsEDgxhcqsYYY1Xs5ogLxWPA_2Wlc4=4Pt1z80PQIvvfw2j1-oSIA=1mLuIb4xSu-qbT9HBp9wm1kt-1Xu2d2eCaNJu1K4PiE=31Kn4wjloTdDdvzp3l60uHiI90ojSoDCs45dDiwcNJ4=>
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks?

[Curtis K. Larsen]

We had an interesting experience with Wi-Fi door locks for a new building.  We 
met with the vendor a year before the building was complete.  We asked if the 
locks could connect on 5GHz and were told it was coming soon, we asked if the 
locks could do 802.1x with EAP-TLS and got blank stares.  So we asked if we 
could test one a few months before the building was up.  When we tested we 
found the devices had only support for 2.4GHz, and EAP-TLS would not work 
because the device did not have enough NVRAM to store a 2048 bit certificate. 

The vendor scurried to release a new device that supported 5GHz and could store 
a certificate just after the building opened.  We finally had  them all 
connecting with WPA2-Enterprise on 5GHz with 3 year certs only to find the 
batteries were draining about ten times as fast as advertised.  What was the 
vendor solution?  Put them on 2.4GHz.  

Anyway, I learned my lesson.  We now have an ESSID for IoT devices which will 
use 2.4GHz, simple encryption, and low data rates for a long time.  We intend 
to use Cisco's I-PSK in the future and to put all IoT devices there to keep 
them away from our Primary ESSID which is becoming 5GHz only, uses WPA2-ENT, 
and incorporates higher minimum basic rates.

Thanks,

Curtis


From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
<WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> on behalf of Chris Adams (IT) 
<chris.ad...@ung.edu>
Sent: Monday, November 6, 2017 8:07 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks?

Chuck,

I think one of the biggest considerations for Wi-Fi locks is having a SLA or 
MOU for how network operations & maintenance would interact with the party 
responsible for the locks. The main justification for using Wi-Fi locks (that 
I’ve heard, anyway) is the reduced cost of bringing the doors “online.” Rather 
than cabling to each door, the onus for connectivity becomes an IT and 
Networking responsibility. With true out-of-band doors, if the wireless or 
network is down or under maintenance, no one’s access is affected. In the end, 
leveraging the wireless network to support these locks adds value to the 
network, but may add complexity to how it’s maintained.

Most of this can be mitigated by cached credentials, etc, but is something to 
consider.


Thanks,

Chris Adams, CISSP

Assistant CIO, Network & Telecom
Division of Information Technology
University of North Georgia
E-Mail: chris.ad...@ung.edu<mailto:chris.ad...@ung.edu>

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Chuck Enfield
Sent: Monday, November 6, 2017 9:47 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks?

Hi Greg,

Locks tend to have a very low network duty-cycle, so interference between the 
802.15.4 network and 2.4GHz Wi-Fi will be minimal.  That said, it may be worth 
considering Wi-Fi locks instead.  That will ensure that they play well with 
other Wi-Fi devices and will spare the institution the cost of installing and 
managing a separate network for locks.

On the down side of using Wi-Fi locks, the refresh cycle for Wi-Fi is shorter 
than for locks.  If you have a bunch of locks reliant on outdated features it 
could hamper Wi-Fi performance down the road.  The refresh cycle would have to 
be discussed with your facilities management, and/or security people.

To the group, can you think of any other advantages/disadvantages of putting 
the locks on Wi-Fi?

Chuck

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Lee H Badman
Sent: Monday, November 6, 2017 9:09 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks?

It’s not what you’re asking, but we are using ASSA-ABLOY .11n locks. Fairly 
easy to support.
Lee Badman (mobile)

On Nov 6, 2017, at 8:32 AM, Gregory Fuller 
<gregory.ful...@oswego.edu<mailto:gregory.ful...@oswego.edu>> wrote:
Haven't seen any recent discussion here about wireless door locks.  Our 
physical access team is looking to install some wireless door locks in an 
administrative building.  I can see it growing past this building pretty 
rapidly and want to make sure they aren't putting in something that is going to 
cause us headaches.

They are looking to install Aperio "HUB's" as they call them:

https://vo-general.s3.amazonaws.com/53aee5c6-9690-4c74-a82a-09f1d0f1ec68/d0vBYdO5QWWKURZqvp0w_AA%20Aperio%20Family%20Brochure.pdf?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJ3YBR5GY2XF7YLGQ=1582662909=inline%3B%20filename%3DAA%20Aperio%20Family%20Brochure.pdf=application%2Fpdf=920fJFxmRxXi9vkJ7zrIVHZao9o%3D


This appears to be using some variant of 802.15.4, which has the ability to run 
between our 802.11g/n 2.4Ghz channels, but wil

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks?

[Chris Adams (IT)]

Chuck,

I think one of the biggest considerations for Wi-Fi locks is having a SLA or 
MOU for how network operations & maintenance would interact with the party 
responsible for the locks. The main justification for using Wi-Fi locks (that 
I’ve heard, anyway) is the reduced cost of bringing the doors “online.” Rather 
than cabling to each door, the onus for connectivity becomes an IT and 
Networking responsibility. With true out-of-band doors, if the wireless or 
network is down or under maintenance, no one’s access is affected. In the end, 
leveraging the wireless network to support these locks adds value to the 
network, but may add complexity to how it’s maintained.

Most of this can be mitigated by cached credentials, etc, but is something to 
consider.


Thanks,

Chris Adams, CISSP

Assistant CIO, Network & Telecom
Division of Information Technology
University of North Georgia
E-Mail: chris.ad...@ung.edu<mailto:chris.ad...@ung.edu>

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Chuck Enfield
Sent: Monday, November 6, 2017 9:47 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks?

Hi Greg,

Locks tend to have a very low network duty-cycle, so interference between the 
802.15.4 network and 2.4GHz Wi-Fi will be minimal.  That said, it may be worth 
considering Wi-Fi locks instead.  That will ensure that they play well with 
other Wi-Fi devices and will spare the institution the cost of installing and 
managing a separate network for locks.

On the down side of using Wi-Fi locks, the refresh cycle for Wi-Fi is shorter 
than for locks.  If you have a bunch of locks reliant on outdated features it 
could hamper Wi-Fi performance down the road.  The refresh cycle would have to 
be discussed with your facilities management, and/or security people.

To the group, can you think of any other advantages/disadvantages of putting 
the locks on Wi-Fi?

Chuck

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Lee H Badman
Sent: Monday, November 6, 2017 9:09 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks?

It’s not what you’re asking, but we are using ASSA-ABLOY .11n locks. Fairly 
easy to support.
Lee Badman (mobile)

On Nov 6, 2017, at 8:32 AM, Gregory Fuller 
<gregory.ful...@oswego.edu<mailto:gregory.ful...@oswego.edu>> wrote:
Haven't seen any recent discussion here about wireless door locks.  Our 
physical access team is looking to install some wireless door locks in an 
administrative building.  I can see it growing past this building pretty 
rapidly and want to make sure they aren't putting in something that is going to 
cause us headaches.

They are looking to install Aperio "HUB's" as they call them:

https://vo-general.s3.amazonaws.com/53aee5c6-9690-4c74-a82a-09f1d0f1ec68/d0vBYdO5QWWKURZqvp0w_AA%20Aperio%20Family%20Brochure.pdf?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJ3YBR5GY2XF7YLGQ=1582662909=inline%3B%20filename%3DAA%20Aperio%20Family%20Brochure.pdf=application%2Fpdf=920fJFxmRxXi9vkJ7zrIVHZao9o%3D


This appears to be using some variant of 802.15.4, which has the ability to run 
between our 802.11g/n 2.4Ghz channels, but will cause co-channel interference.  
I'm a bit concerned that there will be some impact to our 2.4Ghz clients (we 
have a ton of them out there still).

Anyone else out there have these or something similar and can speak for how 
they work and if there are any issues in your environment?

--greg


Gregory A. Fuller - CCNP R, CCNP Security, CCNA Wireless
Network Manager
State University of New York at Oswego
Phone: (315) 312-5750
http://www.oswego.edu/~gfuller
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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks?

[Chuck Enfield]

Hi Greg,



Locks tend to have a very low network duty-cycle, so interference between 
the 802.15.4 network and 2.4GHz Wi-Fi will be minimal.  That said, it may be 
worth considering Wi-Fi locks instead.  That will ensure that they play well 
with other Wi-Fi devices and will spare the institution the cost of 
installing and managing a separate network for locks.



On the down side of using Wi-Fi locks, the refresh cycle for Wi-Fi is 
shorter than for locks.  If you have a bunch of locks reliant on outdated 
features it could hamper Wi-Fi performance down the road.  The refresh cycle 
would have to be discussed with your facilities management, and/or security 
people.



To the group, can you think of any other advantages/disadvantages of putting 
the locks on Wi-Fi?



Chuck



From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Lee H Badman
Sent: Monday, November 6, 2017 9:09 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks?



It’s not what you’re asking, but we are using ASSA-ABLOY .11n locks. Fairly 
easy to support.

Lee Badman (mobile)


On Nov 6, 2017, at 8:32 AM, Gregory Fuller <gregory.ful...@oswego.edu 
<mailto:gregory.ful...@oswego.edu> > wrote:

Haven't seen any recent discussion here about wireless door locks.  Our 
physical access team is looking to install some wireless door locks in an 
administrative building.  I can see it growing past this building pretty 
rapidly and want to make sure they aren't putting in something that is going 
to cause us headaches.



They are looking to install Aperio "HUB's" as they call them:



https://vo-general.s3.amazonaws.com/53aee5c6-9690-4c74-a82a-09f1d0f1ec68/d0vBYdO5QWWKURZqvp0w_AA%20Aperio%20Family%20Brochure.pdf?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJ3YBR5GY2XF7YLGQ
 
<https://vo-general.s3.amazonaws.com/53aee5c6-9690-4c74-a82a-09f1d0f1ec68/d0vBYdO5QWWKURZqvp0w_AA%20Aperio%20Family%20Brochure.pdf?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJ3YBR5GY2XF7YLGQ=1582662909=inline%3B%20filename%3DAA%20Aperio%20Family%20Brochure.pdf=application%2Fpdf=920fJFxmRxXi9vkJ7zrIVHZao9o%3D>
 
=1582662909=inline%3B%20filename%3DAA%20Aperio%20Family%20Brochure.pdf=application%2Fpdf=920fJFxmRxXi9vkJ7zrIVHZao9o%3D





This appears to be using some variant of 802.15.4, which has the ability to 
run between our 802.11g/n 2.4Ghz channels, but will cause co-channel 
interference.  I'm a bit concerned that there will be some impact to our 
2.4Ghz clients (we have a ton of them out there still).



Anyone else out there have these or something similar and can speak for how 
they work and if there are any issues in your environment?



--greg






Gregory A. Fuller - CCNP R, CCNP Security, CCNA Wireless

Network Manager

State University of New York at Oswego

Phone: (315) 312-5750

http://www.oswego.edu/~gfuller

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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks?

[Lee H Badman]

It's not what you're asking, but we are using ASSA-ABLOY .11n locks. Fairly 
easy to support.

Lee Badman (mobile)

On Nov 6, 2017, at 8:32 AM, Gregory Fuller 
> wrote:

Haven't seen any recent discussion here about wireless door locks.  Our 
physical access team is looking to install some wireless door locks in an 
administrative building.  I can see it growing past this building pretty 
rapidly and want to make sure they aren't putting in something that is going to 
cause us headaches.

They are looking to install Aperio "HUB's" as they call them:

https://vo-general.s3.amazonaws.com/53aee5c6-9690-4c74-a82a-09f1d0f1ec68/d0vBYdO5QWWKURZqvp0w_AA%20Aperio%20Family%20Brochure.pdf?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJ3YBR5GY2XF7YLGQ=1582662909=inline%3B%20filename%3DAA%20Aperio%20Family%20Brochure.pdf=application%2Fpdf=920fJFxmRxXi9vkJ7zrIVHZao9o%3D


This appears to be using some variant of 802.15.4, which has the ability to run 
between our 802.11g/n 2.4Ghz channels, but will cause co-channel interference.  
I'm a bit concerned that there will be some impact to our 2.4Ghz clients (we 
have a ton of them out there still).

Anyone else out there have these or something similar and can speak for how 
they work and if there are any issues in your environment?

--greg


Gregory A. Fuller - CCNP R, CCNP Security, CCNA Wireless
Network Manager
State University of New York at Oswego
Phone: (315) 312-5750
http://www.oswego.edu/~gfuller
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks?

[Joseph Bernard]

We have a lot of ASSA ABLOY IN120 locks around that seem to work fine.  I will 
admit to being against the use of them as battery powered wifi devices to save 
not having to run data/power, but we've had no complaints.  I will still get on 
a soap box if you want to use wifi for video on a permanently installed TV 
though instead paying for a cable run.

Thanks,
Joseph B.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 6, 2017, at 8:32 AM, Gregory Fuller 
> wrote:

Haven't seen any recent discussion here about wireless door locks.  Our 
physical access team is looking to install some wireless door locks in an 
administrative building.  I can see it growing past this building pretty 
rapidly and want to make sure they aren't putting in something that is going to 
cause us headaches.

They are looking to install Aperio "HUB's" as they call them:

https://vo-general.s3.amazonaws.com/53aee5c6-9690-4c74-a82a-09f1d0f1ec68/d0vBYdO5QWWKURZqvp0w_AA%20Aperio%20Family%20Brochure.pdf?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJ3YBR5GY2XF7YLGQ=1582662909=inline%3B%20filename%3DAA%20Aperio%20Family%20Brochure.pdf=application%2Fpdf=920fJFxmRxXi9vkJ7zrIVHZao9o%3D


This appears to be using some variant of 802.15.4, which has the ability to run 
between our 802.11g/n 2.4Ghz channels, but will cause co-channel interference.  
I'm a bit concerned that there will be some impact to our 2.4Ghz clients (we 
have a ton of them out there still).

Anyone else out there have these or something similar and can speak for how 
they work and if there are any issues in your environment?

--greg


Gregory A. Fuller - CCNP R, CCNP Security, CCNA Wireless
Network Manager
State University of New York at Oswego
Phone: (315) 312-5750
http://www.oswego.edu/~gfuller
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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks?

[Friskney, Doyle]

The University of Kentucky tried this with a number of academic buildings and 
new residence halls,  You  might get insight from Rick Phillips and our Police 
Department.  Had difficulty especially in residence halls.

doyle

Doyle Friskney Ed.D.
University of Kentucky
Adjunct Faculty
College of Communication and Information

859-576-4000

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Gregory Fuller
Sent: Monday, November 6, 2017 8:32 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks?

Haven't seen any recent discussion here about wireless door locks.  Our 
physical access team is looking to install some wireless door locks in an 
administrative building.  I can see it growing past this building pretty 
rapidly and want to make sure they aren't putting in something that is going to 
cause us headaches.

They are looking to install Aperio "HUB's" as they call them:

https://vo-general.s3.amazonaws.com/53aee5c6-9690-4c74-a82a-09f1d0f1ec68/d0vBYdO5QWWKURZqvp0w_AA%20Aperio%20Family%20Brochure.pdf?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJ3YBR5GY2XF7YLGQ=1582662909=inline%3B%20filename%3DAA%20Aperio%20Family%20Brochure.pdf=application%2Fpdf=920fJFxmRxXi9vkJ7zrIVHZao9o%3D


This appears to be using some variant of 802.15.4, which has the ability to run 
between our 802.11g/n 2.4Ghz channels, but will cause co-channel interference.  
I'm a bit concerned that there will be some impact to our 2.4Ghz clients (we 
have a ton of them out there still).

Anyone else out there have these or something similar and can speak for how 
they work and if there are any issues in your environment?

--greg


Gregory A. Fuller - CCNP R, CCNP Security, CCNA Wireless
Network Manager
State University of New York at Oswego
Phone: (315) 312-5750
http://www.oswego.edu/~gfuller
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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks?

[Ian McDonald]

Hi Greg,

We have Aperio in place in a few buildings (somewhere around a half dozen now), 
though it’s at higher density in residences.

No issues with wifi coverage have been reported, and we have 802.11 n/ac(wave1) 
coverage where they are installed.

Usefully, we have residential buildings that are of identical construction and 
identical in terms of wireless layout, both with and without Aperio so have the 
ability for direct comparison.

We’ve used both cylinders and escutcheons. From our perspective, escutcheons 
have worked best, though the exact models we’ve used 
(http://w3.assaabloy.co.uk/index.php?key=produktkatalog=en=assaabloyberlin=165103)
 don’t feature in the brochure below.  For reference, we’re using DESFire card 
technology.

Any further questions, please get in touch.

Best Regards,

--
ian

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Gregory Fuller
Sent: 06 November 2017 13:32
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks?

Haven't seen any recent discussion here about wireless door locks.  Our 
physical access team is looking to install some wireless door locks in an 
administrative building.  I can see it growing past this building pretty 
rapidly and want to make sure they aren't putting in something that is going to 
cause us headaches.

They are looking to install Aperio "HUB's" as they call them:

https://vo-general.s3.amazonaws.com/53aee5c6-9690-4c74-a82a-09f1d0f1ec68/d0vBYdO5QWWKURZqvp0w_AA%20Aperio%20Family%20Brochure.pdf?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJ3YBR5GY2XF7YLGQ=1582662909=inline%3B%20filename%3DAA%20Aperio%20Family%20Brochure.pdf=application%2Fpdf=920fJFxmRxXi9vkJ7zrIVHZao9o%3D


This appears to be using some variant of 802.15.4, which has the ability to run 
between our 802.11g/n 2.4Ghz channels, but will cause co-channel interference.  
I'm a bit concerned that there will be some impact to our 2.4Ghz clients (we 
have a ton of them out there still).

Anyone else out there have these or something similar and can speak for how 
they work and if there are any issues in your environment?

--greg


Gregory A. Fuller - CCNP R, CCNP Security, CCNA Wireless
Network Manager
State University of New York at Oswego
Phone: (315) 312-5750
http://www.oswego.edu/~gfuller
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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks

[Lee H Badman]

It’s interesting- in the dorms these locks could be sitting ducks. If you do a 
pilot, make sure it’s in the dorms during the crazy season and not just an 
admin building says I.

Lee Badman | Network Architect
Information Technology Services
206 Machinery Hall
120 Smith Drive
Syracuse, New York 13244
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its.syr.edu
SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY
syr.edu

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[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Johnson, Neil M
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2015 2:17 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks


Our housing folks are also looking into replacing keyed locks with wireless 
door locks in all of our dorms. They’ve put off a pilot for the fall in order 
to gather more information.

Below are excerpts from a document we sent to all the parties involved with our 
concerns:

While this should not be considered exhaustive list, here are the issues we 
have identified with using a Wi-Fi infrastructure for access control.

Wi-Fi is susceptible to several sources of interference.
While Network Services will do its best to provide a robust and reliable 
wireless service, there are many issues outside of Network Services’ control 
that could negatively affect the access control system. Wi-Fi uses unlicensed 
spectrum and can be subject to interference from other devices (Cordless 
phones, Microwaves, wireless printers, student-deployed access points, and 
wireless cameras are just a few examples).

Wi-Fi access protocol changes will require physically changing door locks.
Network Services continually optimizes the Wi-Fi network to best support our 
ever-changing students’ needs. Network Services no longer supports the 802.11b 
wireless protocol. It is expected that in the next 5 years we will drop support 
for 802.11a/g, and it is possible we will drop support for 2.4 GHz entirely 
within 10 years. This means that the access control system will need to be 
upgraded to follow the rapid pace of Wi-Fi technology. These upgrades should be 
factored into the long-term costs of the system.

Maintaining the security of the Wi-Fi infrastructure for access control devices 
requires additional resources:
While we are not familiar with the specific security mechanisms used by the 
Wi-Fi based access control system, we speculate the security of the Wi-Fi 
connection to access control devices will either be based on Pre-shared Keys or 
TLS Certificates. Pre-shared keys would need to be changed on a periodic basis 
to maintain adequate security of the system and even TLS certificates would 
also need to be updated regularly. This would most likely require that each 
access control device be “touched” on a regular basis (1 to 3 years). Network 
Services would not be responsible for updating individual access control 
devices. That would be the responsibility of Housing or Facilities. These 
updates need to be factored into the long-term costs of the system.

Supporting wireless access control devices would require that Network Services 
recover certain extra costs:
It is likely that Network Services will have to create, maintain, and support a 
dedicated custom wireless service for the access control system. This includes 
staff resources to maintain the pre-shared keys, TLS Certificates, or MAC 
address databases of the access control devices.  Network Services would have 
to commit additional resources to monitor the availability and security of the 
Wi-Fi system. These costs would need to be recovered and should be factored 
into the cost of the system.
Off hours support for troubleshooting Wi-Fi related issues is limited:
Network Services does not currently have the staff resources to provide 24X7 
support for the Wi-Fi service.  While we do respond promptly after hours to 
issues involving the loss of service in an entire building or buildings, we are 
not staffed to respond after hours to isolated problems (such as an individual 
student not being able access their room).
Running parallel Wi-Fi systems is not possible.It has been suggested that 
Housing might install their own parallel Wi-Fi service to support the access 
control system. Due to the shared nature of Wi-Fi spectrum it would be 
disruptive to both services to try to run them in parallel. It would cause 
disruption to the University’s service for students. This would also violate 
University of Iowa policy.
The product is not tested to run in our environment
To truly evaluate the feasibility of any system requires that devices and 
systems be tested on-site.  Network Services has found out (often the hard way) 
that relying on vendor specifications and experiences of other institutions 
does not replace physical on-site testing of new technologies and systems. It 
is the only way to find out the true limitations of the technologies and 
products proposed for use.
--
Neil Johnson

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks

[Chuck Enfield]

Thanks Neil.  I though this part was particularly insightful:



Wi-Fi access protocol changes will require physically changing door locks.

Network Services continually optimizes the Wi-Fi network to best support our 
ever-changing students’ needs. Network Services no longer supports the 
802.11b wireless protocol. It is expected that in the next 5 years we will 
drop support for 802.11a/g, and it is possible we will drop support for 2.4 
GHz entirely within 10 years. This means that the access control system will 
need to be upgraded to follow the rapid pace of Wi-Fi technology. These 
upgrades should be factored into the long-term costs of the system.

I pretty much assumed we’d have to support outdated wireless hardware and 
protocols in order to accommodate building systems with a 10 to 15 year 
upgrade cycle.  I like this approach better.  I wonder if we can sell it.



Chuck Enfield

Manager, Wireless Systems  Engineering

Telecommunications  Networking Services

The Pennsylvania State University

110H, USB2, UP, PA 16802

ph: 814.863.8715

fx: 814.865.3988





From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Johnson, Neil M
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2015 2:17 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks





Our housing folks are also looking into replacing keyed locks with wireless 
door locks in all of our dorms. They’ve put off a pilot for the fall in 
order to gather more information.



Below are excerpts from a document we sent to all the parties involved with 
our concerns:



While this should not be considered exhaustive list, here are the issues we 
have identified with using a Wi-Fi infrastructure for access control.



Wi-Fi is susceptible to several sources of interference.
While Network Services will do its best to provide a robust and reliable 
wireless service, there are many issues outside of Network Services’ control 
that could negatively affect the access control system. Wi-Fi uses 
unlicensed spectrum and can be subject to interference from other devices 
(Cordless phones, Microwaves, wireless printers, student-deployed access 
points, and wireless cameras are just a few examples).



Wi-Fi access protocol changes will require physically changing door locks.

Network Services continually optimizes the Wi-Fi network to best support our 
ever-changing students’ needs. Network Services no longer supports the 
802.11b wireless protocol. It is expected that in the next 5 years we will 
drop support for 802.11a/g, and it is possible we will drop support for 2.4 
GHz entirely within 10 years. This means that the access control system will 
need to be upgraded to follow the rapid pace of Wi-Fi technology. These 
upgrades should be factored into the long-term costs of the system.



Maintaining the security of the Wi-Fi infrastructure for access control 
devices requires additional resources:
While we are not familiar with the specific security mechanisms used by the 
Wi-Fi based access control system, we speculate the security of the Wi-Fi 
connection to access control devices will either be based on Pre-shared Keys 
or TLS Certificates. Pre-shared keys would need to be changed on a periodic 
basis to maintain adequate security of the system and even TLS certificates 
would also need to be updated regularly. This would most likely require that 
each access control device be “touched” on a regular basis (1 to 3 years). 
Network Services would not be responsible for updating individual access 
control devices. That would be the responsibility of Housing or Facilities. 
These updates need to be factored into the long-term costs of the system.



Supporting wireless access control devices would require that Network 
Services recover certain extra costs:
It is likely that Network Services will have to create, maintain, and 
support a dedicated custom wireless service for the access control system. 
This includes staff resources to maintain the pre-shared keys, TLS 
Certificates, or MAC address databases of the access control devices. 
Network Services would have to commit additional resources to monitor the 
availability and security of the Wi-Fi system. These costs would need to be 
recovered and should be factored into the cost of the system.

Off hours support for troubleshooting Wi-Fi related issues is limited:
Network Services does not currently have the staff resources to provide 24X7 
support for the Wi-Fi service.  While we do respond promptly after hours to 
issues involving the loss of service in an entire building or buildings, we 
are not staffed to respond after hours to isolated problems (such as an 
individual student not being able access their room).

Running parallel Wi-Fi systems is not possible.It has been suggested that 
Housing might install their own parallel Wi-Fi service to support the access 
control system. Due to the shared nature of Wi-Fi spectrum

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks

[Chuck Enfield]

We have 2.4GHz 802.15 locks installed alongside Wi-Fi in quite a few
buildings.  They fit pretty nicely between 802.11 channels, and duty cycle
is so low that interference isn't worth worrying about.

This isn't my area, but I'll share it in case it prevents somebody from
learning this the hard way.  Frequent connections to check for updates can
wear down the batteries in the locks very quickly.  One building was
configured to connect every 15 minutes and the batteries were dead in
three months.  Now we set them up to check twice a day most of the year,
and res hall locks are reconfigured to check every 15 minutes during
move-in weeks only.  Batteries are replaced once a year.

Chuck Enfield
Manager, Wireless Systems  Engineering
Telecommunications  Networking Services
The Pennsylvania State University
110H, USB2, UP, PA 16802
ph: 814.863.8715
fx: 814.865.3988

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[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Joshua Wright
Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2015 5:07 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks

 Seriously, though, thanks all for sharing your experience... very
helpful indeed.  I know wireless locks are going to happen here, but
perhaps I can convince planners to compromise with an 802.15-based system.

I'm not sure which 802.15 specification you are referring to, but 802.15.4
operates in 2.4 GHz or 868/915 MHz.

This particular Assa Abloy PR100 lock product uses 802.15.4 at 2.4 GHz (by
far the most prevalent frequency for 802.15.4 deployments):

http://www.sargentlock.com/products/product_overview.php?item_id=2106

802.15.4 channels are 2 MHz, and can be deployed between 802.11 channels
1/6/11 at 2.4 GHz with some success.  This is a good read on 802.11 2.4
GHz and 802.15.4 2.4 GHz coexistence.

http://www.jennic.com/download_file.php?file=JN-AN-1079+Coexistence+of+IEE
E+802.15.4+In+The+2.4GHz+Band-1v0.pdf

-Josh

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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks

[Jake Snyder]

We've been playing with the Assa Abloy locks.  Currently we have them connected 
all the time to facilitate lockdown, and leverage a power jump to keep them 
powered all the time.  Batteries are only in play if the power jump is without 
power.  Different group dealing with that, but sounds promising.

Down side is limited EAP support.  Leap, peap and Eap-Ttls.  And the config 
program is wonky.

Thanks
Jake Snyder
jsny...@compunet.biz
208-286-3015

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jul 2, 2015, at 2:22 PM, Parker, Ron ron.par...@brazosport.edu wrote:
 
 I would strongly advise against these locks unless you fully understand their 
 limitations and are OK with them. We did some construction projects where 
 hard-wired locks were “value engineered” out of the project to save money. We 
 ended up with a bunch of wireless Assa Abloy locks that don’t work right and 
 that we can’t get support on. They have been nothing but headaches for us. 
 Most of them don’t work anymore and we can’t find anyone in the Houston area 
 that can support them.
  
 They are useless if you want to do a building lockdown for a security issue. 
 They can’t be locked or unlocked remotely because they aren’t in constant 
 contact with the access control system. Ours poll the access control system 
 once per day in the middle of the night, that’s it. You can’t remove access 
 to an area instantly by revoking a user’s card or access level. You have to 
 wait for the update to happen that night or go to that lock (or locks) and 
 manually trigger an update.
  
 The locks originally arrived with WEP security as the only available option. 
 I rejected that and insisted they upgrade them to WPA2 or I would not allow 
 them on the network. That was done but we ended up paying extra to have their 
 controller modules changed out.
  
 We’ve learned the hard way that IT needs to insist on being at every possible 
 construction and design meeting and to stay on top of these things all along 
 the way or we end up with these kinds of messes dumped on us. We still got 
 things dumped on us in spite of our best efforts but at least we tried. Do 
 not trust architects or construction companies to do what makes sense in 
 today’s IT world. They don’t understand our field any more than we understand 
 theirs.
  
 --
 Ron Parker, Director of Information Technology, Brazosport College
 Voice: (979) 230-3480 FAX: (979) 230-3111 
 http://www.brazosport.edu, KE5RON
  
 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
 [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Derek Johnson
 Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2015 12:33 PM
 To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
 Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks
  
 Our campus planners are looking to standardize  modernize lock systems 
 across campus, and they're drooling over my worst nightmare wireless door 
 locks that connect to our existing wifi network.  2.4GHz only, of course.  
 I'm against this idea for too many reasons to list (technical  
 security-based), but I'm curious to hear perspectives from the community.  
 Has anyone deployed or had to support a wifi-based door lock system?  What's 
 been your experience? 
 
 On the flip side, have you successfully fended off a push for wireless door 
 locks?  If so, do tell... :) 
 
 Thinking back to Lee's recent drone discussion... perhaps I can get 
 administration interested in drone surveillance instead of wifi door locks.  
 That's an idea I could get behind... 
 
 
 Derek Johnson | Data Communications Coordinator
 FORT HAYS STATE UNIVERSITY
 415 Lyman Dr. TH 101, Hays, KS 67601 
 (785) 628 - 5688 | dpjohn...@fhsu.edu
 
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks

[Derek Johnson]

You all were supposed to make me feel all warm and fuzzy about wireless 
door locks, not confirm my biggest fears! j/k

Seriously, though, thanks all for sharing your experience... very helpful 
indeed.  I know wireless locks are going to happen here, but perhaps I can 
convince planners to compromise with an 802.15-based system.

Ron: I feel your pain regarding architects / construction companies... 
Sounds like we live in a fairly similar world in that regard.



Derek Johnson | Data Communications Coordinator
FORT HAYS STATE UNIVERSITY
415 Lyman Dr. TH 101, Hays, KS 67601
(785) 628 - 5688 | djohn...@fhsu.edu





From:   Parker, Ron ron.par...@brazosport.edu
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Date:   07/02/2015 03:23 PM
Subject:Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks
Sent by:The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU



I would strongly advise against these locks unless you fully understand 
their limitations and are OK with them. We did some construction projects 
where hard-wired locks were ?value engineered? out of the project to save 
money. We ended up with a bunch of wireless Assa Abloy locks that don?t 
work right and that we can?t get support on. They have been nothing but 
headaches for us. Most of them don?t work anymore and we can?t find anyone 
in the Houston area that can support them. 
 
They are useless if you want to do a building lockdown for a security 
issue. They can?t be locked or unlocked remotely because they aren?t in 
constant contact with the access control system. Ours poll the access 
control system once per day in the middle of the night, that?s it. You 
can?t remove access to an area instantly by revoking a user?s card or 
access level. You have to wait for the update to happen that night or go 
to that lock (or locks) and manually trigger an update. 
 
The locks originally arrived with WEP security as the only available 
option. I rejected that and insisted they upgrade them to WPA2 or I would 
not allow them on the network. That was done but we ended up paying extra 
to have their controller modules changed out. 
 
We?ve learned the hard way that IT needs to insist on being at every 
possible construction and design meeting and to stay on top of these 
things all along the way or we end up with these kinds of messes dumped on 
us. We still got things dumped on us in spite of our best efforts but at 
least we tried. Do not trust architects or construction companies to do 
what makes sense in today?s IT world. They don?t understand our field any 
more than we understand theirs. 
 
--
Ron Parker, Director of Information Technology, Brazosport College
Voice: (979) 230-3480 FAX: (979) 230-3111 
http://www.brazosport.edu, KE5RON 
 
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mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Derek Johnson
Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2015 12:33 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks
 
Our campus planners are looking to standardize  modernize lock systems 
across campus, and they're drooling over my worst nightmare wireless door 
locks that connect to our existing wifi network.  2.4GHz only, of course. 
I'm against this idea for too many reasons to list (technical  
security-based), but I'm curious to hear perspectives from the community. 
Has anyone deployed or had to support a wifi-based door lock system? 
What's been your experience? 

On the flip side, have you successfully fended off a push for wireless 
door locks?  If so, do tell... :) 

Thinking back to Lee's recent drone discussion... perhaps I can get 
administration interested in drone surveillance instead of wifi door 
locks.  That's an idea I could get behind... 


Derek Johnson | Data Communications Coordinator
FORT HAYS STATE UNIVERSITY
415 Lyman Dr. TH 101, Hays, KS 67601 
(785) 628 - 5688 | dpjohn...@fhsu.edu

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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks

[Aaron Abitia]

Yeah, this thread is summing up the issues with doing the door locks over
WiFi, but in the near term it's unlikely that any arguments will deter most
organizations because it's all about initial financial layout. The cost of
retrofit for a hardwire connection is so high, they will not want to pay
for that when wireless is available.  They don't yet know about the
pitfalls, but since it's all about the initial layout, none of that matters
until disasters start to occur.  Here there's a push to do the same thing
in our dorms. The only buildings that will get hardwire to the door locks
are the ones already in construction.

-Aaron

On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 10:33 AM, Derek Johnson djohn...@fhsu.edu wrote:

 Our campus planners are looking to standardize  modernize lock systems
 across campus, and they're drooling over my worst nightmare wireless door
 locks that connect to our existing wifi network.  2.4GHz only, of course.
 I'm against this idea for too many reasons to list (technical 
 security-based), but I'm curious to hear perspectives from the community.
 Has anyone deployed or had to support a wifi-based door lock system?
 What's been your experience?

 On the flip side, have you successfully fended off a push for wireless
 door locks?  If so, do tell... :)

 Thinking back to Lee's recent drone discussion... perhaps I can get
 administration interested in drone surveillance instead of wifi door
 locks.  That's an idea I could get behind...


 Derek Johnson | Data Communications Coordinator
 FORT HAYS STATE UNIVERSITY
 415 Lyman Dr. TH 101, Hays, KS 67601
 (785) 628 - 5688 | dpjohn...@fhsu.edu

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-- 
Aaron Abitia
Network Analyst
Enterprise Systems, Networks
Information Technology Services
Cal Poly State University
Tel: 805.756.1295

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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks

[David Lawrence Robertson]

While I am no longer part of the group that maintains the network, we do have 
wireless locks on campus, in an ever expanding number.  Depending on the type, 
they only connect every so often, unless they are woken up by a configuration 
push.  Housing has more of an issue dealing with the batteries for each lock 
than our Network group did when I was part of it.  They used to be on their own 
SSID, with MAC address restrictions, I am not sure now as there have been 
wireless changes since I left the department.  I will forward your email to the 
wireless support engineer so he can possibly give you direct information.

David Robertson
Business Process Analyst
Information Technology Process and Planning
George Mason University
(703) 993-2443
drobe...@gmu.edu

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[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu] On Behalf Of Derek Johnson
Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2015 1:33 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks

Our campus planners are looking to standardize  modernize lock systems across 
campus, and they're drooling over my worst nightmare wireless door locks that 
connect to our existing wifi network.  2.4GHz only, of course.  I'm against 
this idea for too many reasons to list (technical  security-based), but I'm 
curious to hear perspectives from the community.  Has anyone deployed or had to 
support a wifi-based door lock system?  What's been your experience?

On the flip side, have you successfully fended off a push for wireless door 
locks?  If so, do tell... :)

Thinking back to Lee's recent drone discussion... perhaps I can get 
administration interested in drone surveillance instead of wifi door locks.  
That's an idea I could get behind...


Derek Johnson | Data Communications Coordinator
FORT HAYS STATE UNIVERSITY
415 Lyman Dr. TH 101, Hays, KS 67601
(785) 628 - 5688 | dpjohn...@fhsu.edumailto:dpjohn...@fhsu.edu

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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks

[Harry Rauch]

Eckerd has been dealing with wired and wireless lock systems. So far we 
have switched out the wireless system to a more conventional wired due a 
myriad of issues. The wireless locks being used on outside doors and the 
batteries that were supposed to last 6 months to a year were failing in 
all outside locks within 3 months.


The type they were using were on their on wireless so it did not 
interfere with our regular wireless.


They are currently testing a prox card wireless that will be on our 
system so the results are not in yet.


I strongly advise against wireless systems and stick to wired.

Harry Rauch Sr. Network Analyst Eckerd College 4200 - 54th Ave S St. 
Petersburg, FL 33711

On 7/2/15 1:33 PM, Derek Johnson wrote:
Our campus planners are looking to standardize  modernize lock 
systems across campus, and they're drooling over my worst nightmare 
wireless door locks that connect to our existing wifi network.  2.4GHz 
only, of course.  I'm against this idea for too many reasons to list 
(technical  security-based), but I'm curious to hear perspectives 
from the community.  Has anyone deployed or had to support a 
wifi-based door lock system?  What's been your experience?


On the flip side, have you successfully fended off a push for wireless 
door locks?  If so, do tell... :)


Thinking back to Lee's recent drone discussion... perhaps I can get 
administration interested in drone surveillance instead of wifi door 
locks.  That's an idea I could get behind...



Derek Johnson| Data Communications Coordinator
FORT HAYS STATE UNIVERSITY
415 Lyman Dr. TH 101, Hays, KS 67601
(785) 628 - 5688 | dpjohn...@fhsu.edu

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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks

['Rossella Mariotti-Jones']

We do have wireless door locks. They use WEP (yes, I know!), so we do MAC
authentication, and we use a separate hidden SSID (which sometimes doesn't
work, so we have to expose it). We also separate them from the rest of our
network on a DMZ behind the firewall and we apply additional access-control
there. They only connect briefly when the sync occurs so their overhead
isn't much, but they're sure a pain to manage, they're very finicky and
they have a myriad of connectivity issues where no other device on our
wireless does. They're so much of a pain that we have decided to go with
the wired ones from now on.

rossella mariotti-jones | network analyst | information technology |
chemeketa community college | p: 503-589-7775 | e: rmari...@chemeketa.edu


On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 10:33 AM, Derek Johnson djohn...@fhsu.edu wrote:

 Our campus planners are looking to standardize  modernize lock systems
 across campus, and they're drooling over my worst nightmare wireless door
 locks that connect to our existing wifi network.  2.4GHz only, of course.
 I'm against this idea for too many reasons to list (technical 
 security-based), but I'm curious to hear perspectives from the community.
 Has anyone deployed or had to support a wifi-based door lock system?
 What's been your experience?

 On the flip side, have you successfully fended off a push for wireless
 door locks?  If so, do tell... :)

 Thinking back to Lee's recent drone discussion... perhaps I can get
 administration interested in drone surveillance instead of wifi door
 locks.  That's an idea I could get behind...


 Derek Johnson | Data Communications Coordinator
 FORT HAYS STATE UNIVERSITY
 415 Lyman Dr. TH 101, Hays, KS 67601
 (785) 628 - 5688 | dpjohn...@fhsu.edu

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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks

[Lee H Badman]

We are doing wireless door locks on internal classroom doors (no external 
doors) with little fanfare so far (almost two years, slow rollout in a few 
buildings thus far). ASSA ABLOY locks, 802.11n with 11c expected (sometime) and 
802.1X.  I'm not thrilled, and laid out the risks clearly, yet still here we 
are. But they are working fine.

-Lee

Lee Badman
Wireless/Network Architect
ITS, Syracuse University
315.443.3003
(Blog: http://wirednot.wordpress.com)

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[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Derek Johnson
Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2015 1:33 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks

Our campus planners are looking to standardize  modernize lock systems across 
campus, and they're drooling over my worst nightmare wireless door locks that 
connect to our existing wifi network.  2.4GHz only, of course.  I'm against 
this idea for too many reasons to list (technical  security-based), but I'm 
curious to hear perspectives from the community.  Has anyone deployed or had to 
support a wifi-based door lock system?  What's been your experience?

On the flip side, have you successfully fended off a push for wireless door 
locks?  If so, do tell... :)

Thinking back to Lee's recent drone discussion... perhaps I can get 
administration interested in drone surveillance instead of wifi door locks.  
That's an idea I could get behind...


Derek Johnson | Data Communications Coordinator
FORT HAYS STATE UNIVERSITY
415 Lyman Dr. TH 101, Hays, KS 67601
(785) 628 - 5688 | dpjohn...@fhsu.edumailto:dpjohn...@fhsu.edu

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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks

[Thomas Carter]

We have some of these from Stanley; we already have wired badge readers from 
them so the wireless was a nice fit. It is nice to remove any responsibility 
from IT for managing connectivity, troubleshooting, etc. We use these primarily 
for accessibility for individual dorm rooms where a traditional key may be 
difficult to use. They’re tied to our rfid ID cards so the students can hold 
the card near the lock to unlock the door.

I believe they do a similar periodic update, and will continue to work with 
local (to the lock) info even if the wireless is down.  The wireless unit does 
connect back to the central monitoring system via the wired network, but I get 
the impression that it’s pretty rock solid reliable.

Thomas Carter
Network  Operations Manager
Austin College

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[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Mike Cunningham
Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2015 1:37 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks

Stanley makes a door lock that is wireless but does not run on 802.11 so does 
not interface with the campus data wi-fi network. I think it’s 802.15 but not 
sure of that. I know it works with Tyco and their iStar controllers. You do 
have to deploy a Tyco proprietary access point that is just for the locks.  We 
don’t have any wireless locks yet but probably will be moving in that direction 
and when we do we will deploy this system since we already have all of our 
wired locks using Tyco iStar hardware.

Mike Cunningham

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[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Rossella Mariotti-Jones
Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2015 2:27 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks

We have ASSA ABLOY locks too. I agree with Aaron, as that is exactly the reason 
why we went with the wifi locks. One argument that might have a little more 
traction is that we, for example, are not able to send and immediate lock to 
our wifi locks because they connect to the controller for a very short amount 
of time at midnight (or whatever time they're programmed to do it), at which 
time the sync occurs, and after that they disconnect from wifi, once they 
disconnect, the controller is not able to access them because they are offline. 
So in an emergency situation this doesn't work very well at all, especially if 
you have, or are looking into a system integrated with your locks (like 
informacast for example) that can lock down your whole campus with the push of 
a button. Now, our locks are about 4 or 5 years old so it might be that the new 
ones are smarter, but this has been our experience with these so far.


rossella mariotti-jones | network analyst | information technology | chemeketa 
community college | p: 503-589-7775tel:503-589-7775 | e: 
rmari...@chemeketa.edumailto:rmari...@chemeketa.edu

On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 11:07 AM, Aaron Abitia 
aabi...@calpoly.edumailto:aabi...@calpoly.edu wrote:
Yeah, this thread is summing up the issues with doing the door locks over WiFi, 
but in the near term it's unlikely that any arguments will deter most 
organizations because it's all about initial financial layout. The cost of 
retrofit for a hardwire connection is so high, they will not want to pay for 
that when wireless is available.  They don't yet know about the pitfalls, but 
since it's all about the initial layout, none of that matters until disasters 
start to occur.  Here there's a push to do the same thing in our dorms. The 
only buildings that will get hardwire to the door locks are the ones already in 
construction.
-Aaron

On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 10:33 AM, Derek Johnson 
djohn...@fhsu.edumailto:djohn...@fhsu.edu wrote:
Our campus planners are looking to standardize  modernize lock systems across 
campus, and they're drooling over my worst nightmare wireless door locks that 
connect to our existing wifi network.  2.4GHz only, of course.  I'm against 
this idea for too many reasons to list (technical  security-based), but I'm 
curious to hear perspectives from the community.  Has anyone deployed or had to 
support a wifi-based door lock system?  What's been your experience?

On the flip side, have you successfully fended off a push for wireless door 
locks?  If so, do tell... :)

Thinking back to Lee's recent drone discussion... perhaps I can get 
administration interested in drone surveillance instead of wifi door locks.  
That's an idea I could get behind...


Derek Johnson | Data Communications Coordinator
FORT HAYS STATE UNIVERSITY
415 Lyman Dr. TH 101, Hays, KS 67601
(785) 628 - 5688tel:%28785%29%20628%20-%205688 | 
dpjohn...@fhsu.edumailto:dpjohn...@fhsu.edu

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Network

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks

[Harry Rauch]

 Eckerd has been dealing with wired and wireless lock systems. So far we
have switched out the wireless system to a more conventional wired due a
myriad of issues. The wireless locks being used on outside doors and the
batteries that were supposed to last 6 months to a year were failing in all
outside locks within 3 months.

The type they were using were on their on wireless so it did not interfere
with our regular wireless.

They are currently testing a prox card wireless that will be on our system
so the results are not in yet.

Harry Rauch Sr. Network Analyst Eckerd College 4200 - 54th Ave S St.
Petersburg, FL 33711
On 7/2/15 1:33 PM, Derek Johnson wrote:

Our campus planners are looking to standardize  modernize lock systems
across campus, and they're drooling over my worst nightmare wireless door
locks that connect to our existing wifi network.  2.4GHz only, of course.
I'm against this idea for too many reasons to list (technical 
security-based), but I'm curious to hear perspectives from the community.
Has anyone deployed or had to support a wifi-based door lock system?
What's been your experience?

On the flip side, have you successfully fended off a push for wireless door
locks?  If so, do tell... :)

Thinking back to Lee's recent drone discussion... perhaps I can get
administration interested in drone surveillance instead of wifi door
locks.  That's an idea I could get behind...


Derek Johnson | Data Communications Coordinator
FORT HAYS STATE UNIVERSITY
415 Lyman Dr. TH 101, Hays, KS 67601
(785) 628 - 5688 | dpjohn...@fhsu.edu

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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks

['Rossella Mariotti-Jones']

We have ASSA ABLOY locks too. I agree with Aaron, as that is exactly the
reason why we went with the wifi locks. One argument that might have a
little more traction is that we, for example, are not able to send and
immediate lock to our wifi locks because they connect to the controller
for a very short amount of time at midnight (or whatever time they're
programmed to do it), at which time the sync occurs, and after that they
disconnect from wifi, once they disconnect, the controller is not able to
access them because they are offline. So in an emergency situation this
doesn't work very well at all, especially if you have, or are looking into
a system integrated with your locks (like informacast for example) that can
lock down your whole campus with the push of a button. Now, our locks are
about 4 or 5 years old so it might be that the new ones are smarter, but
this has been our experience with these so far.

rossella mariotti-jones | network analyst | information technology |
chemeketa community college | p: 503-589-7775 | e: rmari...@chemeketa.edu


On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 11:07 AM, Aaron Abitia aabi...@calpoly.edu wrote:

 Yeah, this thread is summing up the issues with doing the door locks over
 WiFi, but in the near term it's unlikely that any arguments will deter most
 organizations because it's all about initial financial layout. The cost of
 retrofit for a hardwire connection is so high, they will not want to pay
 for that when wireless is available.  They don't yet know about the
 pitfalls, but since it's all about the initial layout, none of that matters
 until disasters start to occur.  Here there's a push to do the same thing
 in our dorms. The only buildings that will get hardwire to the door locks
 are the ones already in construction.

 -Aaron

 On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 10:33 AM, Derek Johnson djohn...@fhsu.edu wrote:

 Our campus planners are looking to standardize  modernize lock systems
 across campus, and they're drooling over my worst nightmare wireless
 door locks that connect to our existing wifi network.  2.4GHz only, of
 course.  I'm against this idea for too many reasons to list (technical 
 security-based), but I'm curious to hear perspectives from the community.
 Has anyone deployed or had to support a wifi-based door lock system?
 What's been your experience?

 On the flip side, have you successfully fended off a push for wireless
 door locks?  If so, do tell... :)

 Thinking back to Lee's recent drone discussion... perhaps I can get
 administration interested in drone surveillance instead of wifi door
 locks.  That's an idea I could get behind...


 Derek Johnson | Data Communications Coordinator
 FORT HAYS STATE UNIVERSITY
 415 Lyman Dr. TH 101, Hays, KS 67601
 (785) 628 - 5688 | dpjohn...@fhsu.edu

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 Cal Poly State University
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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks

[Mike Cunningham]

Stanley makes a door lock that is wireless but does not run on 802.11 so does 
not interface with the campus data wi-fi network. I think it’s 802.15 but not 
sure of that. I know it works with Tyco and their iStar controllers. You do 
have to deploy a Tyco proprietary access point that is just for the locks.  We 
don’t have any wireless locks yet but probably will be moving in that direction 
and when we do we will deploy this system since we already have all of our 
wired locks using Tyco iStar hardware.

Mike Cunningham

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Rossella Mariotti-Jones
Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2015 2:27 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks

We have ASSA ABLOY locks too. I agree with Aaron, as that is exactly the reason 
why we went with the wifi locks. One argument that might have a little more 
traction is that we, for example, are not able to send and immediate lock to 
our wifi locks because they connect to the controller for a very short amount 
of time at midnight (or whatever time they're programmed to do it), at which 
time the sync occurs, and after that they disconnect from wifi, once they 
disconnect, the controller is not able to access them because they are offline. 
So in an emergency situation this doesn't work very well at all, especially if 
you have, or are looking into a system integrated with your locks (like 
informacast for example) that can lock down your whole campus with the push of 
a button. Now, our locks are about 4 or 5 years old so it might be that the new 
ones are smarter, but this has been our experience with these so far.


rossella mariotti-jones | network analyst | information technology | chemeketa 
community college | p: 503-589-7775tel:503-589-7775 | e: 
rmari...@chemeketa.edumailto:rmari...@chemeketa.edu

On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 11:07 AM, Aaron Abitia 
aabi...@calpoly.edumailto:aabi...@calpoly.edu wrote:
Yeah, this thread is summing up the issues with doing the door locks over WiFi, 
but in the near term it's unlikely that any arguments will deter most 
organizations because it's all about initial financial layout. The cost of 
retrofit for a hardwire connection is so high, they will not want to pay for 
that when wireless is available.  They don't yet know about the pitfalls, but 
since it's all about the initial layout, none of that matters until disasters 
start to occur.  Here there's a push to do the same thing in our dorms. The 
only buildings that will get hardwire to the door locks are the ones already in 
construction.
-Aaron

On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 10:33 AM, Derek Johnson 
djohn...@fhsu.edumailto:djohn...@fhsu.edu wrote:
Our campus planners are looking to standardize  modernize lock systems across 
campus, and they're drooling over my worst nightmare wireless door locks that 
connect to our existing wifi network.  2.4GHz only, of course.  I'm against 
this idea for too many reasons to list (technical  security-based), but I'm 
curious to hear perspectives from the community.  Has anyone deployed or had to 
support a wifi-based door lock system?  What's been your experience?

On the flip side, have you successfully fended off a push for wireless door 
locks?  If so, do tell... :)

Thinking back to Lee's recent drone discussion... perhaps I can get 
administration interested in drone surveillance instead of wifi door locks.  
That's an idea I could get behind...


Derek Johnson | Data Communications Coordinator
FORT HAYS STATE UNIVERSITY
415 Lyman Dr. TH 101, Hays, KS 67601
(785) 628 - 5688tel:%28785%29%20628%20-%205688 | 
dpjohn...@fhsu.edumailto:dpjohn...@fhsu.edu

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Enterprise Systems, Networks
Information Technology Services
Cal Poly State University
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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks

[Parker, Ron]

I would strongly advise against these locks unless you fully understand their 
limitations and are OK with them. We did some construction projects where 
hard-wired locks were value engineered out of the project to save money. We 
ended up with a bunch of wireless Assa Abloy locks that don't work right and 
that we can't get support on. They have been nothing but headaches for us. Most 
of them don't work anymore and we can't find anyone in the Houston area that 
can support them.

They are useless if you want to do a building lockdown for a security issue. 
They can't be locked or unlocked remotely because they aren't in constant 
contact with the access control system. Ours poll the access control system 
once per day in the middle of the night, that's it. You can't remove access to 
an area instantly by revoking a user's card or access level. You have to wait 
for the update to happen that night or go to that lock (or locks) and manually 
trigger an update.

The locks originally arrived with WEP security as the only available option. I 
rejected that and insisted they upgrade them to WPA2 or I would not allow them 
on the network. That was done but we ended up paying extra to have their 
controller modules changed out.

We've learned the hard way that IT needs to insist on being at every possible 
construction and design meeting and to stay on top of these things all along 
the way or we end up with these kinds of messes dumped on us. We still got 
things dumped on us in spite of our best efforts but at least we tried. Do not 
trust architects or construction companies to do what makes sense in today's IT 
world. They don't understand our field any more than we understand theirs.

--
Ron Parker, Director of Information Technology, Brazosport College
Voice: (979) 230-3480 FAX: (979) 230-3111 
http://www.brazosport.edu, KE5RON

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Derek Johnson
Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2015 12:33 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks

Our campus planners are looking to standardize  modernize lock systems across 
campus, and they're drooling over my worst nightmare wireless door locks that 
connect to our existing wifi network.  2.4GHz only, of course.  I'm against 
this idea for too many reasons to list (technical  security-based), but I'm 
curious to hear perspectives from the community.  Has anyone deployed or had to 
support a wifi-based door lock system?  What's been your experience?

On the flip side, have you successfully fended off a push for wireless door 
locks?  If so, do tell... :)

Thinking back to Lee's recent drone discussion... perhaps I can get 
administration interested in drone surveillance instead of wifi door locks.  
That's an idea I could get behind...


Derek Johnson | Data Communications Coordinator
FORT HAYS STATE UNIVERSITY
415 Lyman Dr. TH 101, Hays, KS 67601
(785) 628 - 5688 | dpjohn...@fhsu.edumailto:dpjohn...@fhsu.edu

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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks

[Ian McDonald]

Hi Folks,

We have Assa Abloy Aperio wireless escutcheons on our ARX access control system 
(which also supports wired doors).

http://www.assaabloy.co.uk/en/local/uk/Products/Access-control/Aperio/

They have a small transmitter (comhub) near each group of (up to 8 IIRC) locks. 
I understand multiple such transmitters go on a RS485 bus to a controller 
interface which is Ethernet connected.

We've not had any issues with it, and the battery life's not been an issue for 
us yet, they've been in about a year.

I'm afraid that I'd have to go back to our installer for more precise 
information about exactly what we have.

--
ian

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Derek Johnson
Sent: 02 July 2015 21:59
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks

You all were supposed to make me feel all warm and fuzzy about wireless door 
locks, not confirm my biggest fears! j/k

Seriously, though, thanks all for sharing your experience... very helpful 
indeed.  I know wireless locks are going to happen here, but perhaps I can 
convince planners to compromise with an 802.15-based system.

Ron: I feel your pain regarding architects / construction companies... Sounds 
like we live in a fairly similar world in that regard.



Derek Johnson | Data Communications Coordinator
FORT HAYS STATE UNIVERSITY
415 Lyman Dr. TH 101, Hays, KS 67601
(785) 628 - 5688 | djohn...@fhsu.edumailto:djohn...@fhsu.edu





From:Parker, Ron 
ron.par...@brazosport.edumailto:ron.par...@brazosport.edu
To:
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Date:07/02/2015 03:23 PM
Subject:Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks
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I would strongly advise against these locks unless you fully understand their 
limitations and are OK with them. We did some construction projects where 
hard-wired locks were value engineered out of the project to save money. We 
ended up with a bunch of wireless Assa Abloy locks that don't work right and 
that we can't get support on. They have been nothing but headaches for us. Most 
of them don't work anymore and we can't find anyone in the Houston area that 
can support them.

They are useless if you want to do a building lockdown for a security issue. 
They can't be locked or unlocked remotely because they aren't in constant 
contact with the access control system. Ours poll the access control system 
once per day in the middle of the night, that's it. You can't remove access to 
an area instantly by revoking a user's card or access level. You have to wait 
for the update to happen that night or go to that lock (or locks) and manually 
trigger an update.

The locks originally arrived with WEP security as the only available option. I 
rejected that and insisted they upgrade them to WPA2 or I would not allow them 
on the network. That was done but we ended up paying extra to have their 
controller modules changed out.

We've learned the hard way that IT needs to insist on being at every possible 
construction and design meeting and to stay on top of these things all along 
the way or we end up with these kinds of messes dumped on us. We still got 
things dumped on us in spite of our best efforts but at least we tried. Do not 
trust architects or construction companies to do what makes sense in today's IT 
world. They don't understand our field any more than we understand theirs.

--
Ron Parker, Director of Information Technology, Brazosport College
Voice: (979) 230-3480 FAX: (979) 230-3111 
http://www.brazosport.eduhttp://www.brazosport.edu/, KE5RON

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Derek Johnson
Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2015 12:33 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks

Our campus planners are looking to standardize  modernize lock systems across 
campus, and they're drooling over my worst nightmare wireless door locks that 
connect to our existing wifi network.  2.4GHz only, of course.  I'm against 
this idea for too many reasons to list (technical  security-based), but I'm 
curious to hear perspectives from the community.  Has anyone deployed or had to 
support a wifi-based door lock system?  What's been your experience?

On the flip side, have you successfully fended off a push for wireless door 
locks?  If so, do tell... :)

Thinking back to Lee's recent drone discussion... perhaps I can get 
administration interested in drone surveillance instead of wifi door locks.  
That's an idea I could get behind...


Derek Johnson | Data Communications Coordinator
FORT HAYS STATE

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks

[Parker, Ron]

I’d be interested in more detail on how you’re powering them. If you’re now 
having to run power into the door just as we would for a powered hardwired 
lock, I don’t see how that saves much money. If this is some sort of retrofit, 
I’d be curious to know how you are doing it since that might solve one of our 
problems. Also, we were told repeatedly by Assa Abloy and their various VARs 
that the locks only talk to the access control system once per day so how are 
you overriding that?

I like the concept of wireless locks just fine, if they work and do what we 
need them to do in our environment.

--
Ron Parker, Director of Information Technology, Brazosport College
Voice: (979) 230-3480 FAX: (979) 230-3111 
http://www.brazosport.edu, KE5RON

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Jake Snyder
Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2015 3:45 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks

We've been playing with the Assa Abloy locks.  Currently we have them connected 
all the time to facilitate lockdown, and leverage a power jump to keep them 
powered all the time.  Batteries are only in play if the power jump is without 
power.  Different group dealing with that, but sounds promising.

Down side is limited EAP support.  Leap, peap and Eap-Ttls.  And the config 
program is wonky.
Thanks
Jake Snyder
jsny...@compunet.bizmailto:jsny...@compunet.biz
208-286-3015

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 2, 2015, at 2:22 PM, Parker, Ron 
ron.par...@brazosport.edumailto:ron.par...@brazosport.edu wrote:
I would strongly advise against these locks unless you fully understand their 
limitations and are OK with them. We did some construction projects where 
hard-wired locks were “value engineered” out of the project to save money. We 
ended up with a bunch of wireless Assa Abloy locks that don’t work right and 
that we can’t get support on. They have been nothing but headaches for us. Most 
of them don’t work anymore and we can’t find anyone in the Houston area that 
can support them.

They are useless if you want to do a building lockdown for a security issue. 
They can’t be locked or unlocked remotely because they aren’t in constant 
contact with the access control system. Ours poll the access control system 
once per day in the middle of the night, that’s it. You can’t remove access to 
an area instantly by revoking a user’s card or access level. You have to wait 
for the update to happen that night or go to that lock (or locks) and manually 
trigger an update.

The locks originally arrived with WEP security as the only available option. I 
rejected that and insisted they upgrade them to WPA2 or I would not allow them 
on the network. That was done but we ended up paying extra to have their 
controller modules changed out.

We’ve learned the hard way that IT needs to insist on being at every possible 
construction and design meeting and to stay on top of these things all along 
the way or we end up with these kinds of messes dumped on us. We still got 
things dumped on us in spite of our best efforts but at least we tried. Do not 
trust architects or construction companies to do what makes sense in today’s IT 
world. They don’t understand our field any more than we understand theirs.

--
Ron Parker, Director of Information Technology, Brazosport College
Voice: (979) 230-3480 FAX: (979) 230-3111 
http://www.brazosport.edu, KE5RON

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Derek Johnson
Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2015 12:33 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks

Our campus planners are looking to standardize  modernize lock systems across 
campus, and they're drooling over my worst nightmare wireless door locks that 
connect to our existing wifi network.  2.4GHz only, of course.  I'm against 
this idea for too many reasons to list (technical  security-based), but I'm 
curious to hear perspectives from the community.  Has anyone deployed or had to 
support a wifi-based door lock system?  What's been your experience?

On the flip side, have you successfully fended off a push for wireless door 
locks?  If so, do tell... :)

Thinking back to Lee's recent drone discussion... perhaps I can get 
administration interested in drone surveillance instead of wifi door locks.  
That's an idea I could get behind...


Derek Johnson | Data Communications Coordinator
FORT HAYS STATE UNIVERSITY
415 Lyman Dr. TH 101, Hays, KS 67601
(785) 628 - 5688 | dpjohn...@fhsu.edumailto:dpjohn...@fhsu.edu

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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Door Locks

[Joshua Wright]

 Seriously, though, thanks all for sharing your experience... very helpful 
 indeed.  I know wireless locks are going to happen here, but perhaps I can 
 convince planners to compromise with an 802.15-based system.

I’m not sure which 802.15 specification you are referring to, but 802.15.4 
operates in 2.4 GHz or 868/915 MHz.

This particular Assa Abloy PR100 lock product uses 802.15.4 at 2.4 GHz (by far 
the most prevalent frequency for 802.15.4 deployments):

http://www.sargentlock.com/products/product_overview.php?item_id=2106

802.15.4 channels are 2 MHz, and can be deployed between 802.11 channels 1/6/11 
at 2.4 GHz with some success.  This is a good read on 802.11 2.4 GHz and 
802.15.4 2.4 GHz coexistence.

http://www.jennic.com/download_file.php?file=JN-AN-1079+Coexistence+of+IEEE+802.15.4+In+The+2.4GHz+Band-1v0.pdf

-Josh

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